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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: alta on Sunday September 30, 2018, 04:33:38 PM Eastern
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opps, thought this was an evening game
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Willy got a match penalty for a head hit early in the 2nd. I didn't see it so I don't know how bad it was or if Willy is being picked on again, but this is not a good start for him
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Konno score !!!!!!!!
PPG goal has game tied 1-1 with 2:00 left in the 2nd
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They showed Willys head hit during the intermission, not with the best camera angle and at full speed. It's hard to tell from that if it was a head hit. Reminds me of the hit he made against shitsburgh where replay showed it was a legal hit but since Cindy cried about it the Caps got fucked
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They showed Willys head hit during the intermission, not with the best camera angle and at full speed. It's hard to tell from that if it was a head hit. Reminds me of the hit he made against shitsburgh where replay showed it was a legal hit but since Cindy cried about it the Caps got fucked
RMNB (Russian Machine Never Breaks) has the replays - it’s not good.
He will be missing more than a few of the first season’s game - 10 is my guess given his history.
Love Wilson and think he has been picked on in the past by the league, but this was a dumbass hit.
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RMNB (Russian Machine Never Breaks) has the replays - it’s not good.
He will be missing more than a few of the first season’s game - 10 is my guess given his history.
Love Wilson and think he has been picked on in the past by the league, but this was a dumbass hit.
Yea, he shouldn't be attempting that kind of hit in preseason. His history shouldn't matter as a majority of his suspensions have been B S
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Hell of shot by OV
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The best goal scorer we will ever see just reminded us why.
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Ochie makes it 3-1 !!!!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGUJ9dtEf1I
Head hit from Wilson if anyone is interested.
Listen, I love a good hockey hit as much as the next guy. I don't care if this was Game 2 of the finals, that is a suspension. That is a bad hit by Tom. Bad. He has been targeted before and got a false reputation sometimes, but he has also had 2 or 3 really bad hits. That is a bad hit. He doesn't get him in the shoulder at all, he comes speedrocketing in from the blind side and nails the guy in the skull. It's bad. 10 games at least. Probably one of the worst hits I've seen Wilson throw.
He has to rein that shit in honestly. Big hits belong in the game. Head shots trying to kill a guy in pre-season? No.
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Dowd scores!! Caps up 4-2
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DSP for the ENG! 5-2 Caps with 0:40 to go
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Hey chaps and chapesses.That was a really bad hit by Willy. :O= He should know better by now. >:( Orlov is growing on me.
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Willy got a match penalty for a head hit early in the 2nd. I didn't see it so I don't know how bad it was or if Willy is being picked on again, but this is not a good start for him
The wife and I were at the Regina Pats game but when we were in the lounge between periods I saw a replay if the hit. I think it was a legit penalty call and I'm sure Wilson gets a suspension. I'd like to see it again and slow it down.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGUJ9dtEf1I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGUJ9dtEf1I)
Head hit from Wilson if anyone is interested.
Listen, I love a good hockey hit as much as the next guy. I don't care if this was Game 2 of the finals, that is a suspension. That is a bad hit by Tom. Bad. He has been targeted before and got a false reputation sometimes, but he has also had 2 or 3 really bad hits. That is a bad hit. He doesn't get him in the shoulder at all, he comes speedrocketing in from the blind side and nails the guy in the skull. It's bad. 10 games at least. Probably one of the worst hits I've seen Wilson throw.
He has to rein that shit in honestly. Big hits belong in the game. Head shots trying to kill a guy in pre-season? No.
Well I wanted to see the hut again and now I have. I agree with my first assessment, it was a bad hit. He is definitely going to get suspended. Not sure he will get 10 games. He might because he is a repeat offender. I would guess a minimum of 5 games.
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Back from the game this afternoon. The hit from Wilson didn't look good live, but seeing the replay, I don't think the primary force was to Sundqvist's head. Why not? Watch the video. After Sundqvist was hit he spun around almost 360 degrees. If he was hit primarily in the head, centered over his body, his body doesn't spin like that - it falls straighter. The amount that he spun suggests that the primary force was delivered to the periphery of his body -- the shoulder -- rather than the head.
That being said, because it's Wilson and because it looks bad, I suspect he gets 6 games anyway to start the season. He didn't get a game misconduct in addition to his 5 minute major, he got a match penalty. Does that mean an automatic suspension?
FWIW, after Wilson was ejected, Connolly took his spot on the RW with Kuznetsov and Ovie, and he looked pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if he stays there at the start of the season, presuming Wilson is suspended.
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I don’t know what Wilson was thinking on that play or if he was thinking. What a dumb play especially since this was a pre-season game. He will definitely be suspended and it is going to be lengthy. Those first 5 games are going to be tough and the absence of Wilson is going to really hurt. I wonder who Rierden will play with Kuzy and Ovie. If it were me I would move Ossie up to that line and move Burakovsky up to the second line.
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Dumb hit Willy. I don't really want him to change his game but he's got to be smarter. I don't think he targets the head but with his size and guys skating bent over, he naturally gets guys higher up.
I hope it's less than five games, but with his rep, I would not be surprised by more. NHL really seems to dislike him. Thank god he's Canadian
Maybe Willy should just not play preseason games vs the blues.
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Back from the game this afternoon. The hit from Wilson didn't look good live, but seeing the replay, I don't think the primary force was to Sundqvist's head. Why not? Watch the video. After Sundqvist was hit he spun around almost 360 degrees. If he was hit primarily in the head, centered over his body, his body doesn't spin like that - it falls straighter. The amount that he spun suggests that the primary force was delivered to the periphery of his body -- the shoulder -- rather than the head.
That being said, because it's Wilson and because it looks bad, I suspect he gets 6 games anyway to start the season. He didn't get a game misconduct in addition to his 5 minute major, he got a match penalty. Does that mean an automatic suspension?
FWIW, after Wilson was ejected, Connolly took his spot on the RW with Kuznetsov and Ovie, and he looked pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if he stays there at the start of the season, presuming Wilson is suspended.
Interesting view on the physics of the hit, Black. Certainly a good case to make.
My only worry is that even if this point were factual, it’s doubtful to remain in a vacuum, when the NHL considers disciplinary action.
Since there was SOME head contact, there will, obviously, be NHL review. Player safety rules will consider not only the hit, with injury, but who, his history, and one I wasn’t aware of before, the situational importance of the game.
The sad part for Willie is that each of these other factors are in the negative for his side, unfortunately for the Caps.
I LOVE Willy, and actually believe he isn’t a “dirty” player, but even the most sympathetic fan, would have to call that a boneheaded move by him, IMHO. Willie MUST carry himself more intelligently on the ice, if he is to continue his ever-improving career, period! I’m sure you would agree.
Wilson simply can’t afford to be his own worst enemy! Especially during this important growth period as a player.
Rush
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Dumb hit Willy. I don't really want him to change his game but he's got to be smarter. I don't think he targets the head but with his size and guys skating bent over, he naturally gets guys higher up.
I hope it's less than five games, but with his rep, I would not be surprised by more. NHL really seems to dislike him. Thank god he's Canadian
Maybe Willy should just not play preseason games vs the blues.
“Thank God he’s Canadian”! LMAO!
Hey Rich! How are ya!
If I’m not mistaken, you were near Warrenton? If so, we are damn near neighbors.
I’m in Broad Run, near Georgetown Rd and Old Bust Head.
Anyway, glad to have another Stanley Cup winning fan out my way! TTYL
Rush
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Wilson has zero self control. I love the guy, but these hits will eventually lead to a 20 or more game suspension. Why in the hell can't he stop with the bad hits? Everyone loves good, hard hits, but you can't keep catching people in the head.
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Wilson has zero self control. I love the guy, but these hits will eventually lead to a 20 or more game suspension. Why in the hell can't he stop with the bad hits? Everyone loves good, hard hits, but you can't keep catching people in the head.
Hey W!elcome Back
Dont worry about that spat we had earlier. . .
by the way you never answered my question about what you did for a living?
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Hwy Welcome,
Dont worry about that spat we had earlier. . .
by the way you never answered my question about what you did for a living?
I actually like you dude. I just think you're a bit nuts for advocating murder on the ice and finding no joy in winning a cup lol. I'm a Network Technician for a Telecommunications company, why?
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“Thank God he’s Canadian”! LMAO!
Hey Rich! How are ya!
If I’m not mistaken, you were near Warrenton? If so, we are damn near neighbors.
I’m in Broad Run, near Georgetown Rd and Old Bust Head.
Anyway, glad to have another Stanley Cup winning fan out my way! TTYL
Rush
Hey Rush. Howdy Neighbor. Small world.
Damn NEAR neighbors is right. I USED to live in Broad Run - on Misty Ridge, at the end of Snow Mountain, so literally right around the corner from you.
I actually live in Marshall now...well my address is Marshall - I still consider it Warrenton - about 10 minutes past FHS
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So, I guess they'll give Wilson the month of October off? :-( Won't matter if it was to the head primarily or not, he got him high and the league frowns upon Wilson hits to begin with..
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So, I guess they'll give Wilson the month of October off? :-( Won't matter if it was to the head primarily or not, he got him high and the league frowns upon Wilson hits to begin with..
Listen, your right like yes Wilson has a "fake" bad reputation. They don't like his hits, and it has been off and on bullshit.
But we all agree right? Like that was a bad hit. Even ignoring pre-season. Go watch the Cooke hit on Savard that started all shit years ago. This hit isn't that far from that. Wilson can't be looking to go for that hit. He just can't. That hit doesn't belong in the game. Hitting does, but that hit does not. Someone could get ended for life on that hit, and we also focus soley on protecting just the person getting hit. But the long term effects of shit like CTE and impacts to the head are pretty real. It can cause people to even go crazy later in life. Your brain should be protected, I don't think as fans we are crazy from that
Healthy impact and hits that can cause consequences that lead to some shots to the head I think is different, than running into a guy, chin first. If you make the argument that the guy turned a little in, so Wilson really had no choice, then I'm fine saying then Wilson had no choice. There is no hit to deliver there. Not unless he takes another angle.
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So, I guess they'll give Wilson the month of October off? :-( Won't matter if it was to the head primarily or not, he got him high and the league frowns upon Wilson hits to begin with..
I love Willy as much as the next Caps fan but that was dumb, reckless, selfish and predatory -- and that would have been true in a playoff game let alone in a preseason game where objective number one is to keep the guys healthy. He needs to be sat down BY THE CAPS let alone the league. When he was a rookie with a limited skill set that crap was not great but okay, but now that he's getting $4M a year, and we need him on the ice, this has to stop.
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Hey Rush. Howdy Neighbor. Small world.
Damn NEAR neighbors is right. I USED to live in Broad Run - on Misty Ridge, at the end of Snow Mountain, so literally right around the corner from you.
I actually live in Marshall now...well my address is Marshall - I still consider it Warrenton - about 10 minutes past FHS
I know exactly where Misty Ridge is. That’s closer than I realized as well. Let’s just say I could literally throw a rock at the intersection of Foster’s Fork and Old Bust head. Snowfox Lane if you’re familiar.
So I USED to live in Marshall. A little house on a horse farm. Perfect for my drumset and I, LOL. Only the horses could complain. Merry Chase Lane to be exact, which is off of Atoka road, about a mile and a half before you get to route 50.
Nice and quiet out here in Broad Run. Don’t really miss the city much at all!
Cool. TTYL
Rush
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I actually like you dude. I just think you're a bit nuts for advocating murder on the ice and finding no joy in winning a cup lol. I'm a Network Technician for a Telecommunications company, why?
Ditto,
I was just curious as to how to how you coming about your assessments.
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I love Willy as much as the next Caps fan but that was dumb, reckless, selfish and predatory -- and that would have been true in a playoff game let alone in a preseason game where objective number one is to keep the guys healthy. He needs to be sat down BY THE CAPS let alone the league. When he was a rookie with a limited skill set that crap was not great but okay, but now that he's getting $4M a year, and we need him on the ice, this has to stop.
Remember when Ted and the league sat Ovie down after Campbell cried about his arm and told him to stop hitting people and wuss it up?
This is what Willies getting paid 4m a year for. Who is gonna have a modicum of enforcements or detterant against cheap shots or targeting, Lars Eller??
While what you say is correct to an extent, without another physical threat in the line up, this is Willie is the only thing we have before hiding behind the league drinking soy milk.
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Remember when Ted and the league sat Ovie down after Campbell cried about his arm and told him to stop hitting people and wuss it up?
This is what Willies getting paid 4m a year for. Who is gonna have a modicum of enforcements or detterant against cheap shots or targeting, Lars Eller??
While what you say is correct to an extent, without another physical threat in the line up, this is Willie is the only thing we have before hiding behind the league drinking soy milk.
Everyone here loves Wilson but he does need to tone it down. Since he entered the NHL I have always thought he had no control of his body when he was hitting. There is such a thing as a controlled hit. Wilson does everything at full speed. I hope he figures it out or he will be sitting a lot of games.
Wilson is getting a lot of heat for his hits deservedly so but this hit shows that players in today's game are unaware of their surroundings. These guys think they can skate across the middle if the ice with their head down and not get hit. On this particular hit if Wilson got him on the shoulder or chest and not the head Sundqvist still would have been destroyed and possibly still injured. It is a fast game you gotta keep your head up.
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Everyone here loves Wilson but he does need to tone it down. Since he entered the NHL I have always thought he had no control of his body when he was hitting. There is such a thing as a controlled hit. Wilson does everything at full speed. I hope he figures it out or he will be sitting a lot of games.
Wilson is getting a lot of heat for his hits deservedly so but this hit shows that players in today's game are unaware of their surroundings. These guys think they can skate across the middle if the ice with their head down and not get hit. On this particular hit if Wilson got him on the shoulder or chest and not the head Sundqvist still would have been destroyed and possibly still injured. It is a fast game you gotta keep your head up.
Exactly.
Bettman wants the figure skaters to lolligag all over the ice drinking their soy-milk without getting hit by some “neanderthal”,
It cracks me up that in almost all if not in every hearing, the responsibility is placed on the player makes the hit, regardless of the other players actions, positions, or even acting
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Don't get me wrong.. The hit was bad. Wilson needs to learn how to squat down and really crush these guys who think it's fine to skate through the center of an NHL rink, with their head down.. :wackysmile: Just wondering when the sentence will be handed down and for how long? He probably drank beer in HS/College too? So, under the jail is where Im expecting him to serve his time.. :angel:
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Bad hit and what was really stupid was that it was the last pre-season game!!! There has to be an unwritten rule that there is very little hard hitting in preseason in general and in the last game in particular. Just get through the last game with no injuries. The only guys hitting should be the guys that are still trying to make the team. Wilson gets a 7 on the stupidity scale for making the hit in general and a 10+ for making it in the last preseason game.
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Okay...Bad hit, and I'm not advocating this is the way to do it, but this is PART of what makes Wilson a serious threat to other teams. The problem is all the circumstance and history with Wilson and his rep. Wilson is big, strong, fast and hits people incredibly hard, but that's part of his skill set. He has to be smarter about it - especially the timing of this...so meaningless.
However, Some responsibility has to fall on the guy not paying attention to the game...the guy that got hit. You can't just skate around with your head down...CARRYING the damn puck in the other teams zone. You should EXPECT to get hit there. You DESERVE to get hit there. You don't deserve to get hit in the head or to be injured, but if his head had been up, it would not have been hit.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this hit in particular, but for your own sake, you have to have situational awareness and protect yourself by paying attention. If there is a sport left where you have to be aware and protect yourself, its this one.
Scott Stevens made a career hitting people on the blue line. He would have smiled at him and skated beside him as they helped him off the ice and told him..."That's what you get for crossing MY blue line. That blue line is MINE, and I OWN it. Remember that mother f*#ker! The NEXT time you cross it, I'm going to hit you harder!" And I damn sure bet the next time he skated into the Stevens zone, the guys f'n head would have been up.
Dale Hunter would have chatted the guy up about it...."remember that hit? the one where Scotty beamed you to another dimension....damn you looked like a real powder-puff laying on the ice like that. Sure hope you don't get hit like that again. Maybe you should quit this game...it's kinda rough."
All fond reminiscing aside, I realize that was a different era and the game has changed, but that was one of the things that made Stevens a great player and a threat and an effective deterrent to opposing scorers. Same goes for Wilson. Being a big physical player is PART of what makes him an effective hockey player. Unless the WNHL changes the rules to the "No Hitting League", then guys are going to get hit, and the bigger stronger ones are going to hit harder....(that's why you want them on your team)
Again, not defending this hit in particular, but defending hitting in the NHL.
I don't want to see anyone injured or career's ended or whatever, but part of it is on you. Part of the responsibility for your own safety SHOULD be on your own shoulders. We have the same problem with half the boarding calls. I realize the game is much faster and players are bigger and stronger, but half the boarding "issues" are caused by guys turning TOWARDS the boards just before being hit.
Stupid by Wilson though - for the Caps sake and his own, he has to know if ANYONE can't do this, its him.
I'd love to see Willy score more goals, but I sure as hell don't want him to stop hitting people and rely on strictly offensive prowess for the rest of his career.
I'm thinking Willy gets 10 games for this. That's gonna hurt.
I noticed the caps claimed Jaskin from the Blues off waivers....is this coincidence or is he a part time BIG BODY to fill in while Willy is in jail?
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Okay...Bad hit, and I'm not advocating this is the way to do it, but this is PART of what makes Wilson a serious threat to other teams. The problem is all the circumstance and history with Wilson and his rep. Wilson is big, strong, fast and hits people incredibly hard, but that's part of his skill set. He has to be smarter about it - especially the timing of this...so meaningless.
However, Some responsibility has to fall on the guy not paying attention to the game...the guy that got hit. You can't just skate around with your head down...CARRYING the damn puck in the other teams zone. You should EXPECT to get hit there. You DESERVE to get hit there. You don't deserve to get hit in the head or to be injured, but if his head had been up, it would not have been hit.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this hit in particular, but for your own sake, you have to have situational awareness and protect yourself by paying attention. If there is a sport left where you have to be aware and protect yourself, its this one.
Scott Stevens made a career hitting people on the blue line. He would have smiled at him and skated beside him as they helped him off the ice and told him..."That's what you get for crossing MY blue line. That blue line is MINE, and I OWN it. Remember that mother f*#ker! The NEXT time you cross it, I'm going to hit you harder!" And I damn sure bet the next time he skated into the Stevens zone, the guys f'n head would have been up.
Dale Hunter would have chatted the guy up about it...."remember that hit? the one where Scotty beamed you to another dimension....damn you looked like a real powder-puff laying on the ice like that. Sure hope you don't get hit like that again. Maybe you should quit this game...it's kinda rough."
All fond reminiscing aside, I realize that was a different era and the game has changed, but that was one of the things that made Stevens a great player and a threat and an effective deterrent to opposing scorers. Same goes for Wilson. Being a big physical player is PART of what makes him an effective hockey player. Unless the WNHL changes the rules to the "No Hitting League", then guys are going to get hit, and the bigger stronger ones are going to hit harder....(that's why you want them on your team)
Again, not defending this hit in particular, but defending hitting in the NHL.
I don't want to see anyone injured or career's ended or whatever, but part of it is on you. Part of the responsibility for your own safety SHOULD be on your own shoulders. We have the same problem with half the boarding calls. I realize the game is much faster and players are bigger and stronger, but half the boarding "issues" are caused by guys turning TOWARDS the boards just before being hit.
Stupid by Wilson though - for the Caps sake and his own, he has to know if ANYONE can't do this, its him.
I'd love to see Willy score more goals, but I sure as hell don't want him to stop hitting people and rely on strictly offensive prowess for the rest of his career.
I'm thinking Willy gets 10 games for this. That's gonna hurt.
I noticed the caps claimed Jaskin from the Blues off waivers....is this coincidence or is he a part time BIG BODY to fill in while Willy is in jail?
I completely agree with your comment about players being responsible for their own safety. I know DC agrees too.
I say the same thing every time there is a borderline hit. And not just Wilsons hits. Players are completely oblivious to what is going on around them. Cutting through the center of the ice with your head down. Or getting caught admiring the pass you just made. And when a player does see a hit coming he will bail out instead of absorbing the hit and even worse a lot if guys will turn their back to the hit. It happens all the time. Why would you do that? You are risking a career ending injury to yourself.
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How much time does the DOPS have to take to make a decision? The hit was Sunday. It's Wednesday morning, our first game is tonight, and we still don't know what the sentence is going to be?
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How much time does the DOPS have to take to make a decision? The hit was Sunday. It's Wednesday morning, our first game is tonight, and we still don't know what the sentence is going to be?
His hearing is today. We will know sometime today.
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I went back and looked at this again, and I don't think the main point of contact was the head. Wilson is low, stays low, does not extend arm or raise up or anything. The initial point of contact is sort of the side/back of the guys right shoulder. Problem is the guy took a shot or made a pass and he is bent over and half turned. His head definitely snaps around but I think it was more whiplash than head impact.
Willy's screwed no matter what, but the hit was not as bad as I thought initially. I'm sure DOPS will see it differently and based on all the circumstances; willy's record, call on ice, injury, etc, etc, etc. They will call it predatory and intentional intent to injury and main point of contact was the head, and blah, blah, blah. Suspended for 10 games.
How come when I go back and delete a space in my text the font shrinks? It causes my anal retentiveness to flare up.
So does anyone have any info on what the extent of the injury actually is/was?
Anybody want to venture a guess on the number of games for the suspension?
Who's got the DOPS wheel of misfortune thingy?
Does Willy have his own DOPS wheel of misfortune thingy? - cause he is definitely special when it comes to DOPS fantasy.
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I went back and looked at this again, and I don't think the main point of contact was the head. Wilson is low, stays low, does not extend arm or raise up or anything. The initial point of contact is sort of the side/back of the guys right shoulder. Problem is the guy took a shot or made a pass and he is bent over and half turned. His head definitely snaps around but I think it was more whiplash than head impact.
Willy's screwed no matter what, but the hit was not as bad as I thought initially. I'm sure DOPS will see it differently and based on all the circumstances; willy's record, call on ice, injury, etc, etc, etc. [size=78%]They will call it predatory and intentional intent to injury and main point of contact was the head, and blah, blah, blah. [/size][size=78%]Suspended for 10 games.[/size]
How come when I go back and delete a space in my text the font shrinks? It causes my anal retentiveness to flare up.
So does anyone have any info on what the extent of the injury actually is/was?
Anybody want to venture a guess on the number of games for the suspension?
Who's got the DOPS wheel of misfortune thingy?
Does Willy have his own DOPS wheel of misfortune thingy? - cause he is definitely special when it comes to DOPS fantasy.
A glass of American honey says he gets ten games, with an over/under of 2 games
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How come when I go back and delete a space in my text the font shrinks? It causes my anal retentiveness to flare up.
Im not 100% sure, though I notice it more on mobile than on laptop. The easy way to fix it though is to use the "modify" botton in the bottom right and delete the code changes.
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A glass of American honey says he gets ten games, with an over/under of 2 games
I see your american honey and raise you a pint of 100% natural pure Virginia maple syrup.
I will be shocked if it is less than 10 games, although I think the hit is not worthy of this.
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This is what Willies getting paid 4m a year for. Who is gonna have a modicum of enforcements or detterant against cheap shots or targeting, Lars Eller??
No doubt this is correct. All the more reason Willy was an idiot to waste his powder in a PRESEASON meaningless game.
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Im not 100% sure, though I notice it more on mobile than on laptop. The easy way to fix it though is to use the "modify" botton in the bottom right and delete the code changes.
I'm using a regular old computer and....I can BARELY do that and now you want to hit one those special button thingy's and do something else?
okay...here goes, but don't nobody blame me if the page crashes. Just blame it on our resident tech expert from across the pond :lol: :b:
okay I intentionally backspaced (and the copy shrank), but now I don't see the modify button thingy to "delete the code changes"
Okay, I did it after posting....had NO idea you could go back and change it after posting (this little feature could be very helpful to politicians)