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Title: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday May 25, 2021, 09:37:00 PM Eastern
What happens now

Okay.     One by one.   Let's start at the top.
OVI.    Not going anywhere.  Not untill he decides.   Those llttle darts from his "office" are just that fractiom  slower therse days, btt he's still the Silverback on this team and will take anybody to the boards and let them know it. 
 Face of the CAps.  Going nowhere.

Backus.   Tricky one.   Absolutely one of the best players in the league..  He's hurt.  Again.  ... I think hes done.   I thiink he's done.

Oshie.    The only other player I would absolutely fight to keep.  Not just because of what he does on the ice, crashing the net, but mottly for what he does behid the scene.   


After Ovi.  This is my only other KEEPER.

Aithough I rsally like Sprong and Hathway.

There is one other player that I feel i need to consider..



Our Tommy Gun  Our big Willy.Tom Wilson.... He's probably the only player every single other team wants to have.  He was even touted to be our next captain, maybe.   I kind of see it slightly different.
The NHL want him out.  They will make sure that happens. Totally wrong, inho, but ftey will male it happens.
Tommy is damned of does, damned it he doesn/t.i
He's our krypronite..
Our goalies.   Pfff.   You might not like this, but I thought our best one was Anderson.

The only other person I might keep would be Eller........







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Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday May 25, 2021, 10:24:25 PM Eastern
Ovie controls nothing.  He is a pending UFA.  Yes, I think he wants to return to DC if anywhere, but if he and the organization can't make things work out, he may just go back to Russia to play.  The question is, does he care more about legacy (i.e., goals) or about titles?  If he cares about legacy more he may not care if the team around him isn't as strong as it has been.  If he cares more about titles he's got to realize that in the current financial environment, every additional dollar he takes is one that can't be spent on other roster assets.


It's hard to say Backstrom is done when during the regular season he was EXACTLY the same point-per-game player he has been his entire career.  Players like him, you never hear about their injuries IF in fact he was under the weather.  Part of the problem may have been that he was asked to do too much in the playoffs because of Kuzy's antics.


Anderson may have been the best goalie, but he's 40 years old.  You don't hang your hat on a guy like him.


Wilson is the guy who's going nowhere, unless he IS drummed out of the league.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday May 25, 2021, 10:56:28 PM Eastern
Who would you keep?
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday May 25, 2021, 11:25:11 PM Eastern
You ... sound.. different.........
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday May 26, 2021, 12:42:48 PM Eastern
I believe Ovi will be back.  He is good for the team image & marketing in that he IS the franchise.  There are different levels of success when it comes to the franchise (and $$$ is one of them)
He does control it somewhat as the ball is in his court.  The team simply can not pay him $12m a year and put a roster out that will be competitive.  He's not Connor McDavid....or Leon Draisaitl.  Ovi isn't worth it and more importantly the Capitals simply can't afford it.  SO if he demands something outrageous, then he's gone....or should be.  I figure they will come to terms with something that is overpaying him but not outrageously...I hope (anything over 9m is over paying).  I'm hoping they get him for <10m for three years and that's it. Or 8.5 for 4 or something.  But, I won't be surprised when they pay him 11m or something crazy, just disappointed.
He has the ability to help HIS team by taking a cap friendly salary.  Not saying he has to or even that he should (well I think he should) or that it is fair that he take a pay cut, but He COULD do this if he really wants to win and wants to win here.
Ovie has control over what salary he demands...so in that factor he DOES Control it.  It's more his choice than it is management's.  They can't choose to pay him more because it simply isn't there.

Backy will be back.  Whether he is "worth" his salary remains to be seen.  He has had some minor injuries in the past, and I don't think he is done, but his best days are behind him.  He can still be a solid 2c I think, but they need to cut back on all his extra duties (like PK) if they want to prolong his effectiveness.  That wasn't possible at the end of this season and playoffs and it showed.

Anderson...meh.  He was okay, but he had glaring holes and he will never be a true starting NHL goalie again.  He's a UFA and won't be back.  I'd be surprised if he plays anywhere next year.  Like Black said...not hanging a hat on him.
After all being said and all the drama around it, I believe Samsonov was the best option to actually win.  Remember he is young and really hasn't played that much.  He needs some serious coaching and such  (ahem...stay in position...and HOLD onto your damn stick!)  Question is....will he get the proper coaching and guidance needed here to improve his game....or will he become a passenger on the Kuzy train?
He does NOT have a contract so...who the hell knows.  He is an RFA.  I guess we will see this summer how upset the Caps are with him and his antics.  Him playing over Anderson in the last two playoff games (and performing pretty well) should tell you what the Caps think about Anderson. 


Wilson is going nowhere.  As it should be.  For all the whining about him around the league, I'll bet you even the Rangers would welcome him with open arms.
The NHL has hampered his overall effectiveness.  I don't like it one bit, but they want to take the roughness out of the game.  Live with it or get out.  I think Willy has gotten that message and it has impacted his game.  He can still be highly effective and worth his salary.  You don't pay a goon $5m a year no matter how much the fans like him.  He needs to adjust his game by contributing more on the score sheet.  I think he will.  This year was not good for him.  Next year will be better.


Oshie....I like him a lot, but his age is catching up with him too.  He still competes and gives the effort but like most of this team - his best days are well behind him.  I'd probably protect him in the draft, but losing him would not be the end of the world.  He is a great team guy and locker room guy, and fan guy, and head and heart are there, but stars need the legs and lungs too.


Most of the decisions are made anyway. Only guys to worry about are guys who are not signed next year:


Ovi is a UFA:  sign him to a FAIR deal...everything else in the offseason stems from what happens with his contract.
Kuzy:  under contract, but fuck him.  Send him packing - I think the coach is done with him, but Caps management can be stubborn.  If you CAN'T swing a deal with him in it then he will be back.  I'd expect that doesn't happen, but WTF knows.
Charra is UFA:  let him walk.  Unless he will play for $750k again.  Great guy, but old and slow.  Not sure he helps the FUTURE of this team.  Kempny will be back so we don't need him (not that Kempny IMPROVES the D)
Samsonov is RFA:  Based on our options...sign him unless he's burned too many bridges in your eyes
Anderson is UFA:  I don't expect him back, nor do I want him
Lundqvist is UFA:  Do you want to chance on him?  I don't know.  I kind of figured the heart surgery ended his playing days, but apparently not.
Raffl is UFA:  meh...didn't see much on him, but Caps will NEED some bargain contract guys.
Carr is UFA:  couldn't break the lineup, but I expect maybe the lineup is thinner next year so...


Geez...is this the boredom thread or what.  Sorry for the long post.





Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Wednesday May 26, 2021, 01:30:10 PM Eastern
On the bright side..  Anderson and Lundquist will be gone, and likely Chara as well. Which means the Caps won't be the oldest team in the league anymore.


Though I wouldnt mind one more year of Chara if he only wants $1M just to keep playing
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday May 26, 2021, 04:27:26 PM Eastern
I imagine not much will change. They NEED cap space, so possibly 1 big contract or a couple smaller ones. Kuzy is the obvious choice, but we'll see. If not him, maybe Dillon and Schultz.. Doubt they'd move Carlson. Feels like they want to keep Oshie, but again, we'll have to see.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Wednesday May 26, 2021, 04:36:53 PM Eastern
Honestly there isn't much point at speculation until we see who goes to Seatle
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday May 26, 2021, 04:56:37 PM Eastern
Backstrom may be hurt, but historically he is not a playoff player.  He has the skills, he just lacks the intensity and desire - he is the passive guy that passes and is happy to set up Ovi.  I hate to say it because I have enjoyed watching him, but at this point his contract is going to really hurt and I think he sets a tone that sends a passive message to the younger guys.


Whatever we do, we need more guys that want to win more than anything - the guys that would run a zamboni over their mother to win a game.  The only players I think that have that burning desire are Ovi, Oshie and Sheary.  Then there are a few that are close like Willy, Hathaway, Sprong, Dowd, Orlov. I'm sure I missed one or two, but we just don't have enough younger guys with burning desire.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday May 27, 2021, 08:00:05 PM Eastern
I heard a brief radio teaser that GMBM stated he wants the team to get younger next year.  Went to Caps website and watched his 5/26/21 interview.



Fever and Alexeyev names were listed as guys who will at least chance to play next year, and that Fever would be a full time player.


Ovi and team "will work things out" for him to finish career here
"Kuzy had Covid twice this year so we're not sure how that affected him and he was inconsistent"   ::)
LOTS of questions about Kuzy and his consistency.  "We were thin up the middle due to injury and performance and we lost because of it"  Ouch.  That's you they talking about Kuzy.


Sounds like they plan to keep Oshie so Lil   :hearts: should be happy

Also sounds like Samsonov and Vitek are the plan for next year as well.

Sounds like they are not planning on Charra being back.

"Rebuild" is premature and they are not there yet, but want to bring in some younger players.  The decision they made to sign Backy and Ovi indicates they are not in a rebuild scenario just yet.

And....

"Ovie will finish his career here in Washington and they want to make sure he is happy with the situation"....Yikes - sounds like they are willing to give him whatever he wants... but I hope Ovie realizes that is at the hinderance of team success if he wants TOO MUCH $$$





Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday May 29, 2021, 11:13:48 AM Eastern
As I noted, this is likely a blessing in disguise for the Caps as the players know there won't be any pay raises. But 5 more years means a fire sale in D.C.


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/05/29/report-salary-cap-could-remain-flat-for-five-more-seasons/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/05/29/report-salary-cap-could-remain-flat-for-five-more-seasons/)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Saturday May 29, 2021, 11:47:21 AM Eastern
I saw where part of Kuzys contract is a no trade clause for 15 teams.  That's not gonna help.


He may say they want to keep Oshie, but I bet a nickle they leave him exposed.


Wish they would leave Backstrom and Carlson exposed but they won't.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: waynerivers on Thursday June 03, 2021, 12:53:41 PM Eastern
Like I said before, the team is too old, slow and, in some cases, soft to make any playoff run or maybe even make the playoffs.  I'm thinking particularly of Backstrom, Kuz and Carlson here.  Backstrom may have led the team in scoring but that was no check pond hockey.  When the playoffs start he's easily neutralized as has happened the last 3 years. 

Ovie will be back.  I don't see management alienating the fans by having him in another uniform, particularly this management which seems to place keeping "fan favorites" way past their sell date as some sort of priority.  Here's my take on the rest of the team:

Forwards- keep Oshie, Wilson, Eller, Dowd, Hathaway and Mantha.  The rest can go via trade, expansion draft or release.  That includes guys like Sheary and Hagelin who people seem to like but who mainly do a bunch of frantic skating around without much production and they are midgets to boot.  Backstrom and Kuz I've already mentioned.  I think this is a much better team without them at this point.  We need to get younger, faster and tougher overall.  You watch Colorado, Tampa and many of the other teams and we look like slow motion in comparison.

Defense- I'd keep Orlov and Dillon.  I'd actively look to get rid of Carlson.  He's slow as hell, a defensive nightmare, has no toughness and is overrated which is the perfect set up to dump him on some unsuspecting team for players and/or draft picks.  The rest can all go one way or another.

Goaltenders- I thought Samsonov kept the Boston series from being even worse than it was.  He stood on his head much of the time and I'll forgive him the one bonehead play behind the net.  He can develop into one of the better goalies in the league IMO.  Vanacek is a capable backup.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: waynerivers on Thursday June 03, 2021, 01:02:46 PM Eastern
I saw where part of Kuzys contract is a no trade clause for 15 teams.  That's not gonna help.


He may say they want to keep Oshie, but I bet a nickle they leave him exposed.


Wish they would leave Backstrom and Carlson exposed but they won't.


Management ain't that bright.  If they were, Burakovsky and Vrana would still be here instead of Kuz and Backstrom.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: justwincaps on Thursday June 03, 2021, 02:07:21 PM Eastern
I saw where part of Kuzys contract is a no trade clause for 15 teams.  That's not gonna help.


He may say they want to keep Oshie, but I bet a nickle they leave him exposed.


Wish they would leave Backstrom and Carlson exposed but they won't.

Don't see the advantage in saying you want to not expose Oshie [pleasing the fanbase] only to then turnaround and expose him.

I don't know how the NTC works in relation to expansion teams - does it still apply?

I'd be surprised if what turns out is anything different than what we would expect:Ovie waits until after the draft to signs his new deal.

Oshie [1], Nicky [2] and Willie [3]are safe.Eller [4] seems to be safe, probably cause his contract is manageable.

I'd also protect Mantha [5] and Sprong [6].

That leaves one more forward to protect. Kuzy?  Sheary?

God knows they'll probably protect Carlson [1]. He's optional to me. 

I suspect they'll also protect Orlov [2].

3rd D-man is??   Schulz?  Dillon?

Goalie is Sammy.

Personally I'm done with Kuzy and there is some factor of "addition by subtraction".  He's a distraction.  He's had multiple chances to grow up and it isn't happening.

Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: waynerivers on Thursday June 03, 2021, 02:41:53 PM Eastern
I'd probably hold onto Sprong, too, in the absence of any upgrade.  He looked pretty good for the most part.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Friday June 04, 2021, 04:07:13 AM Eastern
Like I said before, the team is too old, slow and, in some cases, soft to make any playoff run or maybe even make the playoffs.  I'm thinking particularly of Backstrom, Kuz and Carlson here.  Backstrom may have led the team in scoring but that was no check pond hockey.  When the playoffs start he's easily neutralized as has happened the last 3 years. 

Ovie will be back.  I don't see management alienating the fans by having him in another uniform, particularly this management which seems to place keeping "fan favorites" way past their sell date as some sort of priority.  Here's my take on the rest of the team:

Forwards- keep Oshie, Wilson, Eller, Dowd, Hathaway and Mantha.  The rest can go via trade, expansion draft or release.  That includes guys like Sheary and Hagelin who people seem to like but who mainly do a bunch of frantic skating around without much production and they are midgets to boot.  Backstrom and Kuz I've already mentioned.  I think this is a much better team without them at this point.  We need to get younger, faster and tougher overall.  You watch Colorado, Tampa and many of the other teams and we look like slow motion in comparison.

Defense- I'd keep Orlov and Dillon.  I'd actively look to get rid of Carlson.  He's slow as hell, a defensive nightmare, has no toughness and is overrated which is the perfect set up to dump him on some unsuspecting team for players and/or draft picks.  The rest can all go one way or another.

Goaltenders- I thought Samsonov kept the Boston series from being even worse than it was.  He stood on his head much of the time and I'll forgive him the one bonehead play behind the net.  He can develop into one of the better goalies in the league IMO.  Vanacek is a capable backup.


I agree with your keepers, for sure, but I have a diffrerence of opinion  after that

I think I migt have been a little too hard on Backus.  he's the absolute greateast unsung hero of our team and the best center in the NHL.  He iisn't a fighter.  Not everybodyy is.  different skill sets, but you can't shove him off a puck, especially on the PP.  He's not soft, hes just not a fighter.
Similarly with Dylan.  His D game has improved immensely over the last few years.   It took him about a year and a half to take over Mike greenes slot at point on the PP and learn to feed Ovi those one timers.   How long will it take somebody else, if he were to go?

I have only one candidate and I'm sure you'll laugh at me, . but... Smiffy.    If we got Smiffy back, I'm sure he could do it.   And for cheap as chips!  I don't even know where he is now, but hes been around the block a bit.  I reckon he'd jump at the chance to be back here and then make the most of it.

I can't see us ever winning a cup with either of our current goalies.   :(   Sammy's balls haven't dropped yet and he still thinks playing his gameboy is more important.
He's definitely has the more potential of the two, BUT......   We've seen the difference.   


They both have the exact same defect though and that's coming so far out of their net.
Unless we get the goalie whisperer back here.... and Sammy somehow gets over puberty and grows a brain..........  Not gonna happen.   He has all the talent......   I raise you Sasha Semin...   :raspberry:

 :'(
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Friday June 04, 2021, 04:22:44 AM Eastern

I don't know how the NTC works in relation to expansion teams - does it still apply?




Pretty sure the NTC doesn't come in to play with a new expansion team.  How can it?   You can't protect yourself from a team that doesn't exist, if you made that list a couple of years or more ago.
I think management protects you, within the boundaries of that selection or you're up for grabs.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Friday June 04, 2021, 07:06:52 AM Eastern
I don't know how the NTC works in relation to expansion teams - does it still apply?




Pretty sure the NTC doesn't come in to play with a new expansion team.  How can it?   You can't protect yourself from a team that doesn't exist, if you made that list a couple of years or more ago.
I think management protects you, within the boundaries of that selection or you're up for grabs.




A contract is between a player and his team.  It can say ANYTHING, as long as the player and the organization agree to it and sign on the dotted line, and any meaning or interpretation of it involves the parties to the contract, not some outside entity.


A contract NTC doesn't have to have a list of teams.  If a contract says that the team is forbidden to trade a player to any other NHL franchise for the duration of the contract (or for the first X years of the contract, or whatever), that is what it means.  The fact that some other team comes into existence after the contract starts doesn't change the wording -- necessarily.  Also, the contract COULD have a list, but in addition, a clause barring a trade to any team that subsequently comes into existence.  Or even more restrictively, a contract COULD specify in its NTC that the team cannot trade the player to any other team that exists at the time the contract is signed, or that may come into being subsequent to its signing.  Such wording would explicitly address the issue of an expansion team. 

Absent that specific a declaration, I suppose anything is possible.  I suppose a lawyer could be brought in to argue that unless wording this explicit is in the contract, a legal argument could be made that a "no other franchise" designation does not apply to a team that comes into existence after its signing.  Then a counter-argument could be made that, once an expansion team comes into existence it is as much an NHL team as any other franchise, so the NTC prohibition applies to it as well.  As a not-legal-scholar, I side with this latter opinion.  But who knows what would happen in a court of law? 


If we start down the slope of parsing "forbidden to trade," then what if a team relocates and changes its name?  Is it the old team in a new jersey?  Or is the old team deleted and replaced by a new team, to which the NTC does not apply?  That the NTC applies here is probably an easier case to make, because the structure and roster of the team could well be the same as that of the "previous" team.


Now I DO agree that if the contract says that the player cannot be traded to Team X or Team Y or Team Z or ..... and so on, then if a new expansion team comes into existence it is not covered under the NTC restrictions.  However, the prohibitions could end with ".... or any team created subsequent to the signing of this contract."  In which case trade to the expansion team IS forbidden.  The point is, unless we know the precise contractual wording we can't make an informed judgment about what is or is not allowed. 


This is an unfortunate reality of the legal system.  Legal language is what it is, and it means what it says -- except that holes and uncertainties can be injected into almost any legal language given a lawyer with the right insights -- or the right imagination.



Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Friday June 04, 2021, 12:41:58 PM Eastern
A few months ago I read that Kuzy has a no trade clause to 15 specific teams. I have yet to see that list though. So if that part is true, that leaves half the league he could be traded to. Also, given its not a blanket NTC, I would think there wasn't a provision put in for expansion teams.


On the face of it, I'd guess it's all the western teams. After Gretzgy was traded to NY he said he could've played another 5 years if his entire career was in the east because of the ease of travel.



Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Friday June 04, 2021, 05:51:28 PM Eastern
Yeah, I kind of had it in my head from somewhere, that there was a maximum number of teams for an NTC.
Otherwise why would we have to protect the likes of Ovi, and Backus from the expansion, like we had to against Vegas?   Surely we would have used that protection for other players?
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Friday June 04, 2021, 07:59:58 PM Eastern
there is not a maximum number of teams a player can have in a NTC, it appears that's just how Kuzys contract was written
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Saturday June 05, 2021, 10:54:25 AM Eastern
Yeah, I kind of had it in my head from somewhere, that there was a maximum number of teams for an NTC.
Otherwise why would we have to protect the likes of Ovi, and Backus from the expansion, like we had to against Vegas?   Surely we would have used that protection for other players?




Well first of all, and expansion draft isn't a trade, so it is subject to its own rules.


As I understand it (someone correct me if I am wrong), there is such a thing as a "no movement clause" in some players' contracts, which means that the team cannot move the player anywhere, anyhow, for the duration of the contract (or however long the NMC is in effect).  That means the team cannot trade the player, waive the player, release the player, or let the player go to an expansion team.  In other words, it incorporates no-trade to the entire league, but is even stronger than that.  If a team has a player or players under that kind of contract, they MUST include those players in the protected list for the expansion draft.


Whether or not the Capitals have anyone with such a contract (Ovie/Backstrom??) I do not know.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday June 05, 2021, 12:37:20 PM Eastern
From what I've seen over the years, all a NTC does is keep the player in the loop for trade prospects rather than be surprised about it like Vrana was, but shouldn't have been. There have been numerous players that have NTCs that were traded, but they had to be talked to first to waive the NTC. Same for being put on waivers, per the CBA.


https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses/ (https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses/)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday June 05, 2021, 01:52:15 PM Eastern
i live to learn.    ;D
Thanks for clearing some of that up for me.   8)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday June 05, 2021, 02:20:53 PM Eastern
From what I've seen over the years, all a NTC does is keep the player in the loop for trade prospects rather than be surprised about it like Vrana was, but shouldn't have been. There have been numerous players that have NTCs that were traded, but they had to be talked to first to waive the NTC. Same for being put on waivers, per the CBA.


https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses/ (https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses/)

I have another question....    :wackysmile:    (Of course I do!   :uh-huh: )
Why would anybody with a NMC, also have NTC's?   As per that very revealing list in your link.  Thank you for that, btw.   ;)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday June 05, 2021, 04:11:19 PM Eastern
I have another question....    :wackysmile:    (Of course I do!   :uh-huh: )
Why would anybody with a NMC, also have NTC's?   As per that very revealing list in your link.  Thank you for that, btw.   ;)


NTC and NMC are the same thing
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday June 05, 2021, 06:08:03 PM Eastern

NTC and NMC are the same thing

That doesn't make sense to me at all.    :huh:

If that were the case, why would any player need both?
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Saturday June 05, 2021, 07:00:06 PM Eastern
The following commentary on NTC and NMC contracts is taken from a Web page called "Winnipeg Hockey Talk."




No-Movement Clause (NMC) and No-Trade Clause (NTC) Eligibility:
Once a National Hockey League player has played seven years or reached twenty-seven years of age (Group 3 Free Agent Status) he is eligible to qualify for the NMC or NTC in his contract.  These clauses can start mid-contract once the player reaches his Group 3 status. (example: in the fourth year of a seven-year deal)
There are basically two types of movement clauses NHL GMs need to pay attention to and/or work around with some players.
The No-Movement Clause:
A No-Movement Clause prohibits a team from moving a player by trade, waivers, or assigning that player to the minors without the player’s consent. This keeps the player with the pro team unless the player approves one of these moves. The player has the final say.  Some players will often have a limited trade list here as well.   A No-Movement Clause does not restrict a team from buying out or terminating a player’s contract.
The No-Trade Clause:
A No-Trade Clause is much less restrictive.  It only places restrictions on movement by trade.  A player with a No-Trade Clause cannot be traded by a team unless the player provides consent.  A limited (partial or modified) No-Trade Clause is often less restrictive than a full No-Trade Clause and depends on the conditions negotiated in the player’s contracts.  Often with these No-Trade Clauses, the player is asked to provide a list of teams to which he would be willing to be traded or NOT traded to.  This list can change or fluctuate from season to season.




So according to this, a no-movement clause is equivalent to a complete no-trade clause (rather than a limited-list no-trade clause) plus prohibitions on waivers or send-to-the-minors.  Of course, as alta has correctly pointed out, a player can always agree to void a contract clause and allow a trade/movement if he wishes.  If the parties to a contract agree, ANY contract provision can be modified.




Interestingly, it appears as though a limited no-trade provision can be worked into an otherwise no-movement clause.  And, a team can still buy out a player.  I suppose, though, that a player could also negotiate a separate no-buyout clause into his contract if the team were willing to go along with it.


Sorry for all the  and  crumbs that make this difficult to read.  They weren't there when I cut and pasted the article.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday June 05, 2021, 08:03:08 PM Eastern
this platform doesn't like cut and paste, it's always a mess
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday June 06, 2021, 12:27:35 AM Eastern
Thank you fellas.  I get it.    :) Thank you for taking the time to explain the difference.   :hearts:

I pretty much got the NTC   The NMC and then the combination of the two had me stumped.....

Education is a wonderfull thing.   ;)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday June 07, 2021, 12:59:33 PM Eastern
Thank you fellas.  I get it.    :) Thank you for taking the time to explain the difference.   :hearts:

I pretty much got the NTC   The NMC and then the combination of the two had me stumped.....

Education is a wonderfull thing.   ;)


Kuzy has a modified NTC which restricts WHICH teams the player can not be moved to.  Kuzy specifically has a modified No Trade Clause that says he can not be traded to 15 teams.  At the beginning of each year He/his agent supply a list of 15 teams that HE will not accept a trade to that season.  That's basically 1/2 the NHL teams.  This means the Caps can trade him to 15 other teams without consenting him or his agent.  The 15 teams (the ones on his No-Trade list for that season) would require the Caps get him/agent to agree to the move by requesting him to waive his no move clause.  (This does happen)


Any Player with any type of NMC, NTC must be protected in the expansion Draft.  So for the Caps....
Ovie, Carlson, Kuzy, Oshie (Lil's going to love this :hearts: ), Wilson, Orlov all MUST BE protected under this rule.  So there's 4 of your protected forwards and 2 of the protected D for the Caps


There is no rule that says teams cannot trade players RIGHT NOW though.  the "trade deadline" restriction only prohibits any players moved after the deadline from playing in the playoffs that year.   During the Vegas draft, several teams traded for players in the summer specifically to put them on the unprotected list.  (of course you need the cap space to do that)


The draft is July 21.
there are other key dates leading up to that, but I could not find the specific dates listed, but for example...


The last day teams can request a player waive his "no move" clause is usually a couple days before the draft actually begins (Vegas date was June 15 for a June 17 draft)


So the Caps could trade Kuzy to 15 teams without asking him, OR request he waive his NTC in order to trade him to other teams, OR ask him to waive it to be eligible for the draft.  I am not sure, but I believe if they ask him to waive it for the draft then essentially they are putting him on waivers and someone else could pick him up for nothing (except the cost of his contract)


Also... Seattle CAN make trades PRIOR to the draft (as long as they have paid their final franchise $$$ to the NHL, which I think they did in April)
Lastly - Seattle CAN negotiate with teams PRIOR to the draft to NOT select eligible players.  For example, Caps could negotiate with Seattle to NOT select "X" player and though not official until the draft, that player would NOT be selected (in exchange for something...draft picks, other trades, etc)  George McPhee did this in Vegas ALOT and got bunches of picks and other players in addition to what happened on draft day.  Doing so in secret enabled him to load up on shit from multiple teams.  Kind of sneaky, but legal and as he negotiated PRIOR to the draft to NOT select players, he loaded up with essentially free extras.  And did it work?  I'd say so...make the SC finals in their 1st year  (and then lost to the Caps - HELL YEAH)  Also advantage, because knowing before the draft what extras already banked, he knew better what he needed to draft for.  This made/makes the draft exceptionally overly generous to the expansion team.  Seattle has the very same rules to work with, but GM's are probably a bit more weary and savvy now, so doubt Seattle can work as many extra freebies as Vegas did.





Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Monday June 07, 2021, 01:07:38 PM Eastern
Ovie doesn't need to be protected because he's not currently under contract with a team so he's not eligible for the expansion draft

this is the same game the Caps played with Oshie for the Vegas draft and the league has said the rules this time will be exactly the same


that's why they haven't done anything official about his contract
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Thursday July 08, 2021, 04:48:10 PM Eastern
the expansion draft is July 21 supposedly live on the t v at 8pm eastern, the teams must submit their  protected list by July 17 at 5pm

the 1st round of the regular draft is July 23, also live on the t v at 8pm. an interesting note to that, the Caps don't have a 1st round pick this year because they traded it off to Detroit as part of the Mantha trade, as well as a 2nd round pick next year. That sounds bad for this year but all reports I've seen say this is a weak draft class, meaning the Caps aren't missing anything.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Thursday July 08, 2021, 04:53:34 PM Eastern
If this guy played LW this might be interesting, but the Caps don’t need another RW.. even after the Seattle draft.


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/07/report-vladimir-tarasenko-requests-trade-from-blues/#more-331379 (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/07/report-vladimir-tarasenko-requests-trade-from-blues/#more-331379)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday July 08, 2021, 06:45:35 PM Eastern
Isn't he on LTIR for something? Often injured? Plus I don't think he's all that fast? Caps need to get quicker and a play maker, if we get rid of Kuzy.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Thursday July 08, 2021, 06:49:20 PM Eastern
yep, tarasenko has been injured a bit the last couple years. The main issue is the Caps don’t need another right winger
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday July 08, 2021, 10:05:06 PM Eastern
The main issue is the Caps don’t need another right winger


True! Hell, they if they're getting back a contract of 7.5 mil, they won't need another "anything" but a Center, if they move Kuzy.  :snicker:
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Ozzies09tc on Friday July 09, 2021, 04:47:40 PM Eastern
yep, tarasenko has been injured a bit the last couple years. The main issue is the Caps don’t need another right winger


The Blues' doctors botched his shoulder surgery -twice- in back to back years. Tank got an outside the organization doctor to surgically fix his shoulder and he is probably back to his shooting ability.


The Blues REALLY fucked this up...
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Friday July 09, 2021, 11:56:34 PM Eastern

The Blues' doctors botched his shoulder surgery -twice- in back to back years. Tank got an outside the organization doctor to surgically fix his shoulder and he is probably back to his shooting ability.


The Blues REALLY fucked this up...

 8-0
How does that even happen these days?
Is it a money thing maybe?
I've always considered us lucky to have Teddy as our owner.  He invests in the teams and  in the players and in the staff around them. 

I know many people don't seem to like him, but I've always thought he's tried to do the best for his teams that he can.
Maybe that's not the case with the Blues?  Maybe they just don't have the money?  In which case, they need to have a rethink.....methinks.....If they can't afford to support a team.......
Not having proper medical care is pretty shit.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Ozzies09tc on Saturday July 10, 2021, 08:41:06 PM Eastern
8-0
How does that even happen these days?
Is it a money thing maybe?
I've always considered us lucky to have Teddy as our owner.  He invests in the teams and  in the players and in the staff around them. 

I know many people don't seem to like him, but I've always thought he's tried to do the best for his teams that he can.
Maybe that's not the case with the Blues?  Maybe they just don't have the money?  In which case, they need to have a rethink.....methinks.....If they can't afford to support a team.......
Not having proper medical care is pretty shit.


Thats a great question. Makes me wonder if perhaps we did that to Robbi Fabbri's knee


Tarasenko, Pietrangelo (the captain), Schwartz, Bozak, Edmundson, Allen.....just two tears removed from our ONLY SC win and these players are all gone/pending ufa....
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday July 17, 2021, 01:56:24 PM Eastern
the protect lists for the Seattle draft are due at 5pm today
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday July 18, 2021, 10:17:37 AM Eastern
The protect lists for the Seattle draft are due at 5pm today

Any word on who we protected, left unprotected? I've not seen much about it online. :huh:
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Sunday July 18, 2021, 10:39:20 AM Eastern
 :O=

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/18/the-capitals-protection-list-for-the-2021-nhl-expansion-draft/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/18/the-capitals-protection-list-for-the-2021-nhl-expansion-draft/)

Backy
Mantha
Oshie
Wilson
Kuzy
Eller
Sprong

Carlson
Orlov
TVR

Sammy



Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday July 18, 2021, 12:37:43 PM Eastern
Is it odd they protected TVR and not Jensen? Guess Jensen, Hathaway and Haglin are gonna be the "targets"?? Ovi doesn't surprise me since he's UFA.. So when do they "pick"??
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Sunday July 18, 2021, 12:49:34 PM Eastern
expansion draft is Wednesday night, regular draft starts Friday night
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Sunday July 18, 2021, 04:55:48 PM Eastern
and, there's been a lot of stink in the rumor mill lately about the Caps trading Kuzy. I sincerely hope he was kept as trade bait. I will never understand the decision to put Carlson on the list. The Caps have said repeatedly they need to be faster, and they need to dump a shit load of salary. Keeping Carlson achieves neither.


It also looks like they are happy to keep what look like the two biggest head cases on the team, Kuzy and Sammy.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Monday July 19, 2021, 07:19:01 AM Eastern
and, there's been a lot of stink in the rumor mill lately about the Caps trading Kuzy. I sincerely hope he was kept as trade bait. I will never understand the decision to put Carlson on the list. The Caps have said repeatedly they need to be faster, and they need to dump a shit load of salary. Keeping Carlson achieves neither.


It also looks like they are happy to keep what look like the two biggest head cases on the team, Kuzy and Sammy.




The reality is that the organization obviously sees and values Carlson much differently than many fans, and certainly many posters on this board, do.  IMO, the organization sees him as among the best in the league at what he does:  Being an offensive defenseman while still playing acceptable, if far from perfect, defense while largely playing against the best opposition, and being some part of the reason that Ovechkin has been the ABSOLUTE best at what he does, putting the puck in the net. 


His recent contract looks like an example of the old adage "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."  I suspect the organization did not, in its viewpoint, see a better alternative to keeping him and paying him.  If they had let him go a couple of years ago instead of tendering him that contract, what would it have cost them to upgrade, even ASSUMING such a player were available on either the trade or UFA markets?  Or think about it conversely for a moment.  If the Caps HAD let him go, would he still be playing for some team in the NHL at this point?  I think the answer is obvious - of course he would.  And what do you think the terms of that contract would be?  It would be at most 7 years rather than 8, because only players resigning with their own team can get an 8-year contract, but I'd bet my mortgage that it would be 7.  And what do you think the AAV of that contract would be?  Do you think that some other team or teams out there would have valued Carlson at least equivalently to what the Caps value him?  IMO, the answer to that question is "yes."
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Monday July 19, 2021, 11:04:23 AM Eastern



The reality is that the organization obviously sees and values Carlson much differently than many fans, and certainly many posters on this board, do.  IMO, the organization sees him as among the best in the league at what he does:  Being an offensive defenseman while still playing acceptable, if far from perfect, defense while largely playing against the best opposition, and being some part of the reason that Ovechkin has been the ABSOLUTE best at what he does, putting the puck in the net. 


His recent contract looks like an example of the old adage "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."  I suspect the organization did not, in its viewpoint, see a better alternative to keeping him and paying him.  If they had let him go a couple of years ago instead of tendering him that contract, what would it have cost them to upgrade, even ASSUMING such a player were available on either the trade or UFA markets?  Or think about it conversely for a moment.  If the Caps HAD let him go, would he still be playing for some team in the NHL at this point?  I think the answer is obvious - of course he would.  And what do you think the terms of that contract would be?  It would be at most 7 years rather than 8, because only players resigning with their own team can get an 8-year contract, but I'd bet my mortgage that it would be 7.  And what do you think the AAV of that contract would be?  Do you think that some other team or teams out there would have valued Carlson at least equivalently to what the Caps value him?  IMO, the answer to that question is "yes."


and yet, the organization NEEDS to get better and dump major salary to do so.

I'm curios, Do you have ANY opinions on how they can do that? Or are they supposed to remain stagnant for the joy of the fans in the regular season?

Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday July 19, 2021, 04:13:12 PM Eastern
The reality is....there is no spoon   :huh:  (oh wait...that's the truth - not reality)


I mean...


The reality is they HAD to protect ANYONE and EVERYONE with any type of NTC.  That is part of the condition of the expansion draft.  No way around it.
which for the Caps mandates....


Kuzy, Orlvo, Carlson, Wilson, Oshie all HAD to be on the protected list.


So of the total protected list...the Caps really only had a few choices left.


Not surprised they protected Eller - he's a good fit at a reasonable price for us


I am surprised at TVR.  The guy can't break the lineup, but we are protecting him?


I think the Spronger probably earned his way into that protection last year.  He's a relative bargain right now so the Caps kind of need to keep any "young & cheap" guys that actually break the lineup.


I'm a little surprised they left Dillon exposed, but WTF really knows what goes on behind the scenes.  Teams are aloud to make "outside" deals with Seattle to NOT pick players so who can really tell what's what.


I am also a bit surprised they protected Backy.  Nobody was going to touch his contract and he does not have a NTC so ....why waste the spot?  Makes me think protecting both Backy AND Eller that the Caps are indeed planning on shopping Kuzy so they could not risk losing another center


We shall see.

Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Monday July 19, 2021, 06:24:55 PM Eastern
Didn't know they "had" to protect guys with NTC's? NHL makes a bunch of special rules for the expansion, surprised they didn't shitcan that one as well. lol Either way, for the Carlson's and the Kuzy's they can get back more then just a salary dump, if they do decide/try to move them, imo. But it's the Caps, so expecting some big moves is probably not gonna happen. If the Krackers take Dillon or Schultz and they trade a couple other smaller contracts for even smaller contracts, they'll probably be able to squeeze in under the cap with the same core group and disappoint us for a few more years!  :) :raspberry:
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 10:38:13 AM Eastern
I saw that they had to protect Backy for some reason.  The guy I think they will lose will be Sheary.  He is the relentless type of player that you need in the playoffs and has some term at a reasonable cost.  I hate to lose him.


I don't think they take Jensen. Yes, he had a good rebound year and can skate and move the puck, but he is not big enough or strong enough for the playoffs.


Dillion is big enough and strong enough but his defense isn't great and his cap number is bigger than it should be.


So for me, I think they take Sheary, with an outside chance they take Vanacek.  Really hate to lose Sheary.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 11:51:01 AM Eastern
I saw that they had to protect Backy for some reason.  The guy I think they will lose will be Sheary.  He is the relentless type of player that you need in the playoffs and has some term at a reasonable cost.  I hate to lose him.


I don't think they take Jensen. Yes, he had a good rebound year and can skate and move the puck, but he is not big enough or strong enough for the playoffs.


Dillion is big enough and strong enough but his defense isn't great and his cap number is bigger than it should be.


So for me, I think they take Sheary, with an outside chance they take Vanacek.  Really hate to lose Sheary.




Nobody has a clue who Seattle will take from the Caps.  I've seen so-called "experts'" draft mocks with Sheary, Jensen, Dillon, Dowd, and Vanacek mentioned.  If there is a argument that the Caps have done well in preparing for this draft, it would be that they have exposed a bunch of middling players with no clear favorite as a piece that would be desirable for Seattle to take to be part of a "core group."  Really -- is there ANY player that the Caps would lose from those they have exposed that would be a crushing blow to the franchise, even in the short term? 
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 12:04:39 PM Eastern



Nobody has a clue who Seattle will take from the Caps.  I've seen so-called "experts'" draft mocks with Sheary, Jensen, Dillon, Dowd, and Vanacek mentioned.  If there is a argument that the Caps have done well in preparing for this draft, it would be that they have exposed a bunch of middling players with no clear favorite as a piece that would be desirable for Seattle to take to be part of a "core group."  Really -- is there ANY player that the Caps would lose from those they have exposed that would be a crushing blow to the franchise, even in the short term?
Ovechkin. Only because of his ability to fill the arena.

So you agree Carlson is replaceable then. Interesting.


Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 12:17:39 PM Eastern

and yet, the organization NEEDS to get better and dump major salary to do so.

I'm curios, Do you have ANY opinions on how they can do that? Or are they supposed to remain stagnant for the joy of the fans in the regular season?




I think Ted Leonsis may be trapped.


When Ovechkin came into the league, Ted promised him that he would do all he could to build a Stanley-Cup-contending team around him, and try to maintain that status to give him as many chances as possible to win Cups.  While one may quibble with the types of teams that have been built to try to accomplish this, to me there is no question that Ted has made a good-faith attempt to keep that promise.  And the franchise did achieve it, once.


Players have come and gone continuously over these past 15 years, but the team has never really "reloaded" or "rebuilt" during that time.  The emphasis has always been on incremental changes to try to shore up weak areas and make the team "just that little bit better."  That is a TOUGH way to build up to a championship -- to try to maintain a core that becomes increasingly expensive and inevitably ages over the years, and find just the right complementary pieces to get over the top. 


To me, there has been one, and only one, exception to that rule, and that was letting Holtby go.  But that decision was driven partially by the Caps finally pricing themselves into a Salary Cap corner, and partially by Holtby's deteriorating performance after 2018.  It seems to me that this past season was the one that the Caps should have taken the opportunity to make some major changes, if they were going to ever do it while Ovechkin was still around.  The combination of having untested goalies, and the uncertainty surrounding how the season would play out due to COVID, made this a time to say "Hey, it isn't going to happen this season.  Let's try to regroup/reload here."  But maybe they couldn't do anything even if they wanted to, because other teams may have pulled in their horns due to COVID uncertainties.  They did make one major move, acquiring Mantha.  Time will tell how that plays out.  But even that really was an incremental rather than a foundational move, because they traded significant draft assets to make it happen.


I think the team needs to take a few steps back to move forward.  But I doubt that it happens until Ovechkin leaves the franchise.   Until then it will be "do everything to maximize the team's capabilities, and spend up to the salary cap to do it."  Once Ovechkin leaves, THEN you will probably see a thorough housecleaning.  And Ted will market it as "The beginning of a new era."
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 01:52:21 PM Eastern
Ovechkin. Only because of his ability to fill the arena.

So you agree Carlson is replaceable then. Interesting.




Uh - I think you missed the phrase "from those they have exposed."


Almost ANYBODY is "replaceable" in the sense that there EXISTS equivalent/comparable talent (or better) somewhere.  I say almost because there is the generational player.  [For over a decade Ovie was irreplaceable as a goal-scorer.  There are comparable, probably better goal-scorers than the current Ovie because Father Time is undefeated.]  But just because a replacement exists somewhere doesn't mean you can obtain that replacement.  So a franchise has to make a decision about keeping or moving on from a player based on the practical possibility of obtaining a suitable replacement, and the assets required to do so.


The Caps could likely replace Carlson in a year or two -- IF they had the first choice in this year's entry-level draft.  But they don't.  Beyond that, who is available via trade or free agency, and what would be the acquisition cost?  We don't know.



Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 04:19:49 PM Eastern
BlackIce - great couple of posts. I agree with your assessment of Ted/Caps over the longer term.  He has remained loyal to the core guys which is why we have never seen the Caps make a blockbuster trade. 


I actually think at this point, if he wants to give Ovi another legit shot at a Cup, they need to make a lot of major moves.  The team they have now is old and while I won't say they are slow, they are not fast.  They also just don't have the "win at all cost" type of players that are needed, except a few.  There is no way this team, with ongoing minor tweaks, goes very far in the playoffs.


The problem with making major moves is that we don't have the draft picks and prospects to bargain with, and we are likely to just tread water.

Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 05:12:28 PM Eastern
There is no way this team, with ongoing minor tweaks, goes very far in the playoffs.


Only hope is one of our goalies turns into a fucking beast and the team feeds off it for another run. As you said, we don't have enough "win at all cost" players to get it done any other way.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 05:35:37 PM Eastern
Nobody has a clue is about right.  There is so much that goes on behind the scenes (or under the table) that we really will never know.  And we really don't know what kind of plan Krakken has or what deals they may have already made, so it's really hard to know what "type" of guys to protect.


Hate to see Sheary go....or Hathy or Dowd, but in all honesty, none of those guys would be a crushing blow.  Same goes for Dillon, Jensen, SHultz.


I think we need Dillon as he is one of our few "real D" with size and grit, but he's not ....great...and probably a bit overpaid.


We shall see...then we can get on with our upcoming mediocre season.  :raspberry:


I am still curious about the Caps protecting TVR.  I mean maybe he's more attractive in this draft scenario because of his cap hit ($1 mil), but you have a 30 year old, 188 lb Dman who can't break into your lineup, yet He's the one you protect?
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 07:56:45 PM Eastern
Agree - heck, the one game they let TVR play, they didn't even give him a minute of ice time.  I guess I would have protected Jensen before him.


Let's hope they give Fehrvay a spot this year.


Really hoping its not Sheary we lose. That guy gave it all he had every game and has the ability to put the puck in the net. I do like that they protected Sprong.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 09:53:38 PM Eastern
There is an oddity about the Caps' defense corps that I didn't realize until now.


The roster on the Caps website currently lists 8 defensemen (including Chara, who I'd be very surprised to see back.)  Chara of course is old enough to have his face carved in Mt. Rushmore.


THE OTHER 7 DEFENSEMEN LISTED ON THE ROSTER WERE ALL BORN WITHIN A SPAN OF ABOUT 18 MONTHS.  That is a formula for maturing together -- and potentially going downhill together. 


My understanding is that the organization expects Fehervary to assume a full-time role this upcoming season.  But if he takes Chara's spot on the roster, the problem of the septuplets remains.  The Caps also need to get Alexeyev up ASAP and offload a couple of the septuplets.



Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 20, 2021, 10:14:16 PM Eastern
the Caps website doesn't look like its been updated since the end of round 1 except for the news feed. They still haven't posted the preseason schedule on the team calendar, and apparently still have no fucking clue when camp starts. I'm not impressed.

this screams front office problems to me
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 12:39:53 PM Eastern
They don't make it official until tonight, but reports say they're taking Vanecek ..   :-\


https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/report-seattle-selects-capitals-goalie-vitek-vanecek-expansion-draft (https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/report-seattle-selects-capitals-goalie-vitek-vanecek-expansion-draft)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 12:44:29 PM Eastern
They don't make it official until tonight, but reports say they're taking Vanecek ..   :-\


https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/report-seattle-selects-capitals-goalie-vitek-vanecek-expansion-draft (https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/report-seattle-selects-capitals-goalie-vitek-vanecek-expansion-draft)


reports say Seattle picked Vanny, which means tonight's dog and pony show on live tv is pointless
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 03:00:16 PM Eastern
Seattles reported picks, no word yet who they took from detroit.....
not bad, but I'm not seeing the same knockout squad that Vegas picked
 
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 04:26:57 PM Eastern
Well, I'm glad we didn't lose Sheary, but hate to lose Vitek.  He was solid and I am afraid he will turn into another Grubauer and be really good.  Now we need another goalie - maybe Holtby??? Ha! (just kidding).


Now that this is done, maybe we will see some trading going on.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 04:32:15 PM Eastern
sucks to lose Vitek....especially for nothing and at his current cost Cap wise.

Not as killer a squad as Vegas, but I think teams learned a bit after the Vegas robbery draft.

It is still too generous IMO.

Viteks loss in cap hit is gonna hurt - not going to get another G at $719k

Caps are going to have to shed some serious salary since they lost a total of $700k in the Seattle draft.

I'm assuming Kuzy is gone.

Caps have $9.735m in cap space right now.....with a roster of 17 players.

With that 9.735, they are going to have to sign:

Ovie is going to burn up $11m
and you need to find a goalie  (wonder if they are considering Lundqvist?)  figure 1.5m for somebody
Samsonov is an RFA that the Caps are going to HAVE TO sign.  (no idea what his RFA ass will cost...$2m?
Raffl is also an RFA.  Maybe 1.2-1.5 for him IF the Caps want him

That's 16 mil right there plus $750k for Fever

Looks like we are about 6 mil over the cap.  Kuzy is `8m so.....dump him and you need to find a $2m Center....unless you are planning on Raffl or Dowd or Eller being a 2C

Warning....mediocre season approaching!  Fans be prepared.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 06:55:00 PM Eastern
sucks to lose Vitek....especially for nothing and at his current cost Cap wise.

Not as killer a squad as Vegas, but I think teams learned a bit after the Vegas robbery draft.

It is still too generous IMO.

Viteks loss in cap hit is gonna hurt - not going to get another G at $719k

Caps are going to have to shed some serious salary since they lost a total of $700k in the Seattle draft.

I'm assuming Kuzy is gone.

Caps have $9.735m in cap space right now.....with a roster of 17 players.

With that 9.735, they are going to have to sign:

Ovie is going to burn up $11m
and you need to find a goalie  (wonder if they are considering Lundqvist?)  figure 1.5m for somebody
Samsonov is an RFA that the Caps are going to HAVE TO sign.  (no idea what his RFA ass will cost...$2m?
Raffl is also an RFA.  Maybe 1.2-1.5 for him IF the Caps want him

That's 16 mil right there plus $750k for Fever

Looks like we are about 6 mil over the cap.  Kuzy is `8m so.....dump him and you need to find a $2m Center....unless you are planning on Raffl or Dowd or Eller being a 2C

Warning....mediocre season approaching!  Fans be prepared.


Regarding the goalie situation ..... Phoenix Copley is still out there, and the Caps also signed Zach Fucale, a former #36 pick (high for a goaltender) in 2013 who never seemed to pan out.  But Fucale actually had a nice run in 11 games with Hershey.  Maybe they might keep him in their hip pocket as a potential backup?  If the Caps are ever going to find out what they have in Samsonov, it's time to do so.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 07:16:35 PM Eastern
I think you are right on Fucale.  They will just have to roll the dice on Sammy and hope he doesn't do something stupid to hurt himself.  Toward that end, they have to think Kuzy is a bad influence and have to move him.  The problem is going to be his contract. Now that Seattle hasn't provided a bunch of teams with cap relief, it will be tough to move Kuzy and we may actually have to give him away, plus a high draft pick (2nd).  Look what happened with Tarasenko.  Seattle didn't take him and flip him to pick up some high picks - because there was no market for him - nobody wants his salary.


I would hope they could get Ovi for less than $11 million, but Ted will pay whatever it takes and Ovi may look at it as a pride thing.  It would be nice if he took less to try and leave some room to improve the team for a Cup run, but he knows they aren't that close and I don't think he will take a discount.


I think we are stuck in mediocrity for the next 3 to 4 years until they have to turn over the core of the old guys.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 07:57:01 PM Eastern
Latest "rumor".. The Kracken wanted/want Dillon, but not at his current salary.. So, they're going to trade us back VV for Dillon and we retain 40% of the Dillon contract..  :raspberry: :snicker:
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 08:44:25 PM Eastern
Not sure I hate that. I thought Dillon was exposed in the playoffs. I hate to lose his toughness though.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday July 21, 2021, 09:44:48 PM Eastern
Not sure I hate that. I thought Dillon was exposed in the playoffs. I hate to lose his toughness though.
Yea, I'd be fine w/o Dillon or Schultz.. I just saw the Krak are like 29 million under the cap.. Must be nice..
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Thursday July 22, 2021, 08:13:18 AM Eastern
Kraken were very smart.  They now have Cap room to pick off free agents and take a few salaries for draft picks, from teams that are growing increasingly desperate.


Not sure on the Dillon rumor as the Kraken took a lot of defensemen already and are likely to trade a couple.


Caps are screwed on the cap.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday July 22, 2021, 12:46:02 PM Eastern
Hmmm.


If Seattle wanted Dillon - I don't see his salary as being a problem - especially if they have so much cap space.  I get it - they don't want to over pay, but Caps being in such cap trouble can't really afford to retain any salary.  Dillon is at $3.9m  That's not horrible for him.  Probably worth more like 2.9 but I don't see it helping the Caps to move him AND retain salary.  That's the opposite of what they need.  I'm definitely not in love with Dillon, but for the Caps situation...
And....with Ziggy gone (still hate that) and Charra not coming back (from what I've heard)....exactly what D men do the caps have to muscle anyone out of the crease when needed?
Dillon isn't the greatest, but he's the biggest strongest true D type guy we have.
Orlov will drop a hip bomb on a guy now and then, but the rest of them are really not gonna move anybody around.  Johnny Q Norris is 6'-4" and 215 but physical play isn't really his game.  Jenson is 200 or so, but also....not what I'd call a physical guy.  Shulz and TVR go like 185 or something so ...?


Fever is pretty good size 6'-2" 202lbs.  I really hope the Caps move him up for real playing time.  I'd rather see him play, make his mistakes and develop than watch Charra get beat by guys 1/2 his age.  Not knocking Chara - he was a steal at $1m, but not sure I want him back.


Alexeyev is 6"4, 210
Tobias Geisser is 6'-5, 214


I'd love for the Caps to actually get some of their young guys up for real playing time and hope one would turn into something.  I still hate we moved Ziggy - I thought he had real potential.
I know the NHL is moving toward offensive, puck moving d-men but it's nice to have a couple actual D men for when you need them (like to win a playoff series)


It will be interesting to see how the Caps work their way out of the cap problem.  Honestly I was surprised they kind of accomplished that once before moving Nisky and dumping salary.  Also some sort of under the table magic releasing Orpik and then getting him back for 1/5 of what his salary was.
With so much cutting needed, I don't see it NOT being Kuzy.  Trouble is who wants or can afford that salary?  Maybe if they move him, then McMichael can play 2C?  Caps are desperate salary wise so maybe it's time to sink or swim with some of our young guys.
Maybe the Kraken will trade us Vitek back straight up for Kuzy and his contract  :huh:


Realistically the Caps need to dump like $6mil in contracts.  Maybe they can move Orlov at 5.1 and work some other numbers magic.
The goalie situation is going to be a problem.


Go  CAPS


Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday July 24, 2021, 12:48:17 PM Eastern
not that it will matter for a couple years, but...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/24/capitals-select-defenseman-vincent-iorio-in-the-second-round-of-the-2021-nhl-entry-draft/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/24/capitals-select-defenseman-vincent-iorio-in-the-second-round-of-the-2021-nhl-entry-draft/)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday July 24, 2021, 03:27:32 PM Eastern
another potential D....
https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/24/capitals-select-defenseman-brent-johnson-in-the-third-round-of-the-2021-nhl-entry-draft/
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Saturday July 24, 2021, 04:06:22 PM Eastern
Hopefully we pick a righty Dman here soon.  :raspberry:  Think that's 3 or 4 so far..


edit: Looks like we got 4D, 1C, 1G in the draft.. Still over bloated on the salary front. No word on that..
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday July 24, 2021, 05:41:17 PM Eastern
usually they don't need to worry about the draft class salary for at least 3-4 years, still plenty of time for trading to happen
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Saturday July 24, 2021, 06:13:56 PM Eastern
This will be year two of the 3 year covid cap freeze. A couple of months ago the league said the freeze could be extended another 5 years. Other that the original statement I cant find find any other information on that.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Monday July 26, 2021, 02:00:48 PM Eastern
The rumor mill says OV is expected to sign a 4 year deal at "about" $10M per. I didn't expect him to ask for or get a big raise, especially with the salary cap being frozen. I expect a lot more contracts to be be more realistic as well.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday July 26, 2021, 03:45:24 PM Eastern
The rumor mill says OV is expected to sign a 4 year deal at "about" $10M per. I didn't expect him to ask for or get a big raise, especially with the salary cap being frozen. I expect a lot more contracts to be be more realistic as well.


That's fairly reasonable.  I mean...it's outrageous but from Ovi's perspective, that's pretty reasonable.  As long as it isn't 5, 6,7 years
I'd be okay with a 4 year deal at 10m. Get's him that prestigious 7 figure salary like very few others and top salary for the Caps.




I'm curious what he'll do at the end of that 4 years when he's 40 or so goals short of Wayne's record.  Maybe he will play for free to get there.   :sick:

Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Monday July 26, 2021, 06:19:29 PM Eastern
Raffl is likely gone because of the cap...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/26/capitals-tender-qualifying-offers-to-restricted-free-agents-ilya-samsonov-lucas-johansen/#more-333051 (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/26/capitals-tender-qualifying-offers-to-restricted-free-agents-ilya-samsonov-lucas-johansen/#more-333051)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday July 26, 2021, 07:37:30 PM Eastern
Pretty sure I know where the Caps can trim a cool $7.8m in cap space  8)   
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Monday July 26, 2021, 09:50:18 PM Eastern
Dillon to the Jets for 2 second round picks (2022, 23)
https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/26/report-capitals-jets-working-on-trade-that-would-send-brenden-dillon-to-winnipeg/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/26/report-capitals-jets-working-on-trade-that-would-send-brenden-dillon-to-winnipeg/)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 08:07:33 AM Eastern
Doesn't break my heart and opens the spot for Fehrevary.  Seems like a decent return with two 2nd round picks and for once, the Caps are actually gaining draft picks, instead of trading them away.  I do hate to lose his toughness though - although I'm sure Carlson will step up!
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 10:11:59 AM Eastern
Doesn't break my heart and opens the spot for Fehrevary.  Seems like a decent return with two 2nd round picks and for once, the Caps are actually gaining draft picks, instead of trading them away.  I do hate to lose his toughness though - although I'm sure Carlson will step up!
:lmao:
 :-|
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 01:50:03 PM Eastern
five more years at $9.5M per...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/27/capitals-re-sign-alex-ovechkin-to-four-year-million-contract/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/27/capitals-re-sign-alex-ovechkin-to-four-year-million-contract/)

Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 02:48:40 PM Eastern
five more years at $9.5M per...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/27/capitals-re-sign-alex-ovechkin-to-four-year-million-contract/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/27/capitals-re-sign-alex-ovechkin-to-four-year-million-contract/)




The fact that it is 5 years means that Ovechkin, and the Caps, clearly have their eyes set on #99 ......
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 05:55:26 PM Eastern

The fact that it is 5 years means that Ovechkin, and the Caps, clearly have their eyes set on #99 ......


33 goals a season gets it done!
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 06:35:56 PM Eastern
Well....we shall see.
Not horrible.  Saw a lot of hate posted about how dumb this is and overpaid and screwing the franchise, blah, blah, blah.  decline of players at this age, etc.
I get it, except Ovie really has showed no decline so far.  I expect he will in coming years, but not enough to make this out as bad as some are saying.  People are whining because you are showing a commitment to the face of your franchise to keep him here his entire career?  Complaining they are paying THE BEST GOAL SCORER EVER to walk this earth to be just slightly the highest paid guy on the team and likely not even in the top 15 of the league?....the same salary he was making 13 years ago?  Actually it's about $38.4k less per year than his previous contract so he took a very slight paycut.


There are currently 22 players making even or better money than Ovi.  I'd say he's probably worth being in the top 23 in the league.


9.5 for 36 year old Ovi is better than 8.0 for 31 y.o. Johhny Q Norris, IMO


9.5 is actually better than I expected.  I thought for sure it would be 10+.  5 years is a year more than I expected, but hey - he breaks the record here with that.



Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 06:45:33 PM Eastern
my only complaint is I wish he signed for less money, but that would just give management an excuse to not cut bait with a couple guys that should go
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 06:49:49 PM Eastern
Dillon to the Jets for 2 second round picks (2022, 23)
https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/26/report-capitals-jets-working-on-trade-that-would-send-brenden-dillon-to-winnipeg/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/26/report-capitals-jets-working-on-trade-that-would-send-brenden-dillon-to-winnipeg/)


It's nice to see the Caps actually GET some draft pics for a change, rather than constantly selling them off just to get rid of bad contracts.


I'm actually sorry to see Dillon go.  I think he will be missed here.  His toughness is lacking in most of the rest of the lineup.  Nice to have the 3.9m back to play with.  I'd think I'd rather lose Shulz and his 4.0m salary gone than Dillon.  Shulz is a puck mover though....I  just hate losing size and toughness.
I sure hope we aren't hanging our hats on Kempny and Jensen to take up any toughness slack.  Makes me wonder if they are seriously talking to Groot for another bargain year.
I'd like to see Fever or Alexeyev get real playing time.  Sounds like Fever is the next up.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 06:51:27 PM Eastern
and Brent Johnson is making a comeback  :huh:


https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-make-six-selections-on-second-day-of-2021-nhl-draft/c-325795664



Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 06:56:24 PM Eastern
I sure hope we aren't hanging our hats on Kempny and Jensen to take up any toughness slack. 


They probably see the writing on the wall. "Toughness" will be a 2 minute penalty here shortly..
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 06:58:00 PM Eastern
With Ovi signed, that leaves about 4.1m in cap space and only an 18 man roster....


with um....0 goalies on it.


so two roster spots will go to Goalies.....


Anybody know what Sammy is going to cost?  I'm assuming some sort of short term bridge deal to keep the cap cost down, but is that 2.5....3.0...?  What's he worth?
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Tuesday July 27, 2021, 07:14:26 PM Eastern

....
Makes me wonder if they are seriously talking to Groot for another bargain year.

....
i think they are, he could definitely help Fehervary
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 28, 2021, 03:46:41 PM Eastern
Seattle just signed Gruby to a six year deal which means they have no need for Vtec....
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday July 28, 2021, 04:41:00 PM Eastern
Seattle just signed Gruby to a six year deal which means they have no need for Vtec....
They'll probably pilfer a couple draft picks from us, for his 1 remaining year, before he's too expensive for us to afford..   :) :wackysmile:


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/28/report-washington-capitals-believed-to-have-interest-in-re-acquiring-vitek-vanecek-from-seattle-kraken/
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday July 28, 2021, 06:24:19 PM Eastern
I feel sorry for Vitek. He just went from fighting for a starting spot in Seattle, to trade bait.  I'm not sure he would want to come back and I think the Caps will just wait and pick up a backup from the guys that are left standing after the music stops.


Still waiting for the one more trade the Caps have to make, whether it is Kuzy or somebody else.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday July 28, 2021, 07:11:59 PM Eastern
He's back! Gonna be in a similar cRap situation next year, when he's a UFA, but at least we have him back and it only cost a 2023 2nd round pick.. Could be worse!


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/28/capitals-re-acquire-vitek-vanecek-from-kraken-in-exchange-for-2023-second-round-pick/?fbclid=IwAR0RrEsWjaCznm3ulQ8brDM71LW_FK1hnHZ2oGdz4HdBtzwihupu79Dy8-s (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/28/capitals-re-acquire-vitek-vanecek-from-kraken-in-exchange-for-2023-second-round-pick/?fbclid=IwAR0RrEsWjaCznm3ulQ8brDM71LW_FK1hnHZ2oGdz4HdBtzwihupu79Dy8-s)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 28, 2021, 07:53:48 PM Eastern
so same goalies as last season, hopefully they are a tad better this season. Caps still need to shed salary this and next summer.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Wednesday July 28, 2021, 09:27:37 PM Eastern
So essentially what the Caps lost to Seattle in the expansion draft was a 2nd round draft choice two years from now.


How do people think that compares to losing a player?
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday July 28, 2021, 10:20:21 PM Eastern
So essentially what the Caps lost to Seattle in the expansion draft was a 2nd round draft choice two years from now.


How do people think that compares to losing a player?


I bet every team in the league would take that deal! I'd of rather them just took Dillon, without having the luxury of knowing what happened. But since we got 2 2nd's for him, we actually came away with an extra 2nd.. Pretty good all things considered.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 28, 2021, 11:11:04 PM Eastern
What the Caps really needed to lose to Seattle was cap space, which we've all known the whole time. So the Caps lost nothing, but gained nothing.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Thursday July 29, 2021, 12:04:29 PM Eastern
Craig Anderson is officially off the payroll, signed a 1 year deal in buffalo. Now if the Caps lose Henrik or Chara as well they wont be the oldest team in the league anymore.

Henrik is still waiting doctors approval to play again.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: BlackIce on Thursday July 29, 2021, 03:31:25 PM Eastern
FWIW, Raffl and Dillon have been removed from the Caps' Website roster, along with Chara and Anderson.  I presume this is a UFA update.  Vanacek has not yet been added, for whatever reason(s).


So you can see a stripped-down roster:  12 FW, 6 D, 1 G.  Assuming Vanacek fills the G hole, that's 20 players, which includes one HUGE question mark -- Kempney.  Need a FW or two, a LHD or two.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Thursday July 29, 2021, 03:44:53 PM Eastern
yes, an actual update to the team website. They added the regular season schedule to the team calendar, but not the preseason schedule... and apparently still have no clue when camp starts
 :yawn:
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday July 29, 2021, 06:26:14 PM Eastern
I'm more than okay with getting Vitek back for just the cost of that pick.  (even if it's a one year deal, but I expect we resign him again)


I would bet money there was talk of this scenario with Seattle PRIOR to the draft.  So many shenanigans going on with the expansion draft that nobody really knows about.  Probably no guarantee from either side, but I'd bet there was some nudge, nudge, wink, wink going on with this prior to the expansion draft.


Basically in the end, you lost Dillon in the deal, but picked up draft pick for him (two picks received for trading him away)  Had Seattle taken Dillon in the draft, we'd be exactly where we are now minus one draft pick,
Hate to lose Dillon's toughness, but trading him away to shed $4m salary, net gain of 1 pick, and NOT losing anything in the draft if pretty fucking awesome if you ask me.


Can we actually win with Vitek and the Russian headcase?  WTF knows.  Looks like we gonna find out.

Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Friday July 30, 2021, 12:52:56 AM Eastern
five more years at $9.5M per...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/27/capitals-re-sign-alex-ovechkin-to-four-year-million-contract/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/27/capitals-re-sign-alex-ovechkin-to-four-year-million-contract/)


 :super: :banana: :banana: :banana: :B: :wow:


This makes me very happy.   :wackysmile:
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Friday July 30, 2021, 01:04:29 AM Eastern
He's back! Gonna be in a similar cRap situation next year, when he's a UFA, but at least we have him back and it only cost a 2023 2nd round pick.. Could be worse!


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/28/capitals-re-acquire-vitek-vanecek-from-kraken-in-exchange-for-2023-second-round-pick/?fbclid=IwAR0RrEsWjaCznm3ulQ8brDM71LW_FK1hnHZ2oGdz4HdBtzwihupu79Dy8-s (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/07/28/capitals-re-acquire-vitek-vanecek-from-kraken-in-exchange-for-2023-second-round-pick/?fbclid=IwAR0RrEsWjaCznm3ulQ8brDM71LW_FK1hnHZ2oGdz4HdBtzwihupu79Dy8-s)

Good!

I like Van the Man   
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Surreylily on Friday July 30, 2021, 01:09:41 AM Eastern
Now we just need a decent goalie coach...
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Friday July 30, 2021, 08:39:32 AM Eastern
So the Rangers traded for Ryan Reeves and also signed Nick Foligno.  They are probably giving contract incentives as well to anybody who can be-head Willy, or at least end his career. It's gonna get ugly quickly.
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday August 05, 2021, 05:16:20 PM Eastern
Well....Samsonov has not filed for arbitration so maybe that's a good sign...
I figure the Caps have to work it out with him, but hope that doesn't inflate his salary - especially with the cap.  Seems like most players and contracts recently are a little more on the reasonable side due the flat cap.  Still...never know when the agent is going to just be a dick and ruin a guys chance to sign just because he feels like he can.
Although, at this point, even arbitration wouldn't award Samsonov a huge salary I don't believe.

Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday August 05, 2021, 05:17:03 PM Eastern

and still...


 :pointdown:

So bored
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: alta on Monday August 09, 2021, 03:28:17 PM Eastern
Sammy gets one more year to prove himself...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/08/09/capitals-re-sign-ilya-samsonov-to-one-year-2-million-contract/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/08/09/capitals-re-sign-ilya-samsonov-to-one-year-2-million-contract/)
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: Mickstix on Monday August 09, 2021, 05:54:30 PM Eastern
Sammy gets one more year to prove himself...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/08/09/capitals-re-sign-ilya-samsonov-to-one-year-2-million-contract/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/08/09/capitals-re-sign-ilya-samsonov-to-one-year-2-million-contract/)


Damn, too bad they couldn't get him to sign for 3 years at that price.. If he does good, we're in the same spot next year as this, not having cap to resign him/anyone..  :-\
Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday August 09, 2021, 07:03:32 PM Eastern
I'm a little surprised the Caps would not lock him up for a 3 year bridge of some kind....kind of looks like they are still not decided on him.  Who knows, maybe it was him that wanted the 1 year but that seems unlikely.


2 mil is pretty reasonable for Sammy for a 1 year deal.  Gonna bite the Caps next year if he turns out a good year.



Title: Re: What happens now.
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday August 09, 2021, 07:36:18 PM Eastern
Well the Caps have a 21 man roster and a spare $688k or so in cap space.



Sadly....the league minimum salary for a full time NHL player is $750k, so for the Caps to acquire anyone else....someone's got to move, or it has to be a two-way contract player.


It would be nice to actually have some Cap space for a change going into the season to be used later if needed.