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Title: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Wednesday January 25, 2023, 04:03:56 PM Eastern
The deadline is Friday March 3 at 3pm ET.



Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Wednesday January 25, 2023, 04:46:46 PM Eastern
The Caps do need help on D, even when Carlson comes back. When Carlson comes back the team is going to have to dump some salary.

opinions, everyone has them

The easy part
goaltending:
is good for at least a couple more years, barring injuries and bad coaching

the mess
defense:
RFA Fehervary - currently makes under $1M
UFA TVR - resigned 3 years at $3M per
UFA Orlov - traded for 2024 3rd & 2025 2nd round picks
UFA Jensen - resigned 3 years at $4M per
UFA Gustafsson - traded for D Rasmus Sandin >2024
UFA Irwin - currently makes $1M per - did not resign
RFA Alexeyev - he’s young, still needs to develop some and under $1M
Carlson - currently makes $8M per, untradable because of the contract but should be traded
 
offense:
OV - keeper, face of the franchise, keeps fan support high
Wilson - keeper
UFA Strome - resigned 5 years at $5M per
UFA Milano - resigned 3 years at $1.9M per
UFA Sheary - currently makes $1.5M per - did not resign
Protas - keeper, especially at $1M, good size, plenty of room to develop
UFA Hathy - traded for F UFA Craig Smith
UFA Smith - currently makes $3.1M per - did not resign
UFA Aubé-Kubel - resigned 1 year at $1.2M  
Backy - currently makes $9.2M per
Kuzy - currently makes $7.8M per
Oshie - currently makes $5.8M per
UFA Johansson - traded for 2024 3rd round pick
UFA Eller - traded for 2025 2nd round pick
Mantha - saves $5.7M IF the Caps can get a decent trade deal
UFA Hagelin - currently makes $2.75M per - did not resign
UFA Brown - currently makes $3.6M per - did not resign
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday January 25, 2023, 05:37:41 PM Eastern
Rumors seem to be that we need help on defense, but I actually like our D-Men now that Carlson is out. I don't know who we could get at a decent price that would be an upgrade.


As far as our trade chips, there ain't much!  They will never trade Carlson, Backy, or Oshie and nobody would take them at their full salaries anyway with the terms left on their contract. Probably same thing for Mantha.  The more I watch him, I think we might have to give him away plus give somebody a draft pick to take his contract.


I guess we could trade Mojo or Eller or a fringe forward, but if we do, we are not getting much back.


I'm just hoping we don't do something stupid like trading away more picks for rental players. 
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday January 25, 2023, 06:29:28 PM Eastern
Hate to say it, but trade Mantha.  Although at what cost?  He's not performing enough for a team to want to pay for him.


I don't see any return for trading Mojo, Eller, Sheary, Hathy, Dowd, etc.
Maybe you could dump Eller's contract at $3.5 and pick up a comparable and save a little, but not much, and Eller is well liked by mgmt I think.  He is a healthy utility Center.


My first pick would be Carlson, but will never happen and nobody would swallow that salary, and now that he's IR, I don't think he can even be traded can he?


Kuzy - I'd take a trade if it were in our interest, but doubt anyone would give us much for him at that salary.  He could be such a great player - he just isn't often enough.  The year we won the CUP, he was the best player on the team
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday January 25, 2023, 06:54:28 PM Eastern
They can't/won't trade Ovi or Nicky. But that really should be the end of the "legacy" players they can't part with. Kuzy, Carlson and Oshie really should be shopped, if there's anyone who'd want them.

I mean, they traded Holtby. His contract expired but they still let him go. 92, 74 and 77 have no more stake in the Caps than he did. If Ted is keeping the core together for Ovi's sake, I can't say that's doing him any favors. 


Mantha should be 1st off the books. Somebody will take him. We may need to retain a little salary, but he's a waste of $ around here, w/no ties to the organization.


Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: waynerivers on Thursday January 26, 2023, 04:50:39 PM Eastern
The Caps do need help on D, even when Carlson comes back. When Carlson comes back the team is going to have to dump some salary.

opinions, everyone has them

The easy parts,
goaltending:
is good for at least a couple more years, barring injuries

defense:
Fehervary- keeper, even though he’s been fairly invisible since coming of IR, but costs under $1M
TVR- is a keeper
Orlov- keeper
Jensen- could be trade bait, he’s a UFA next season but he’d only save $2.5M
Gustafsson- keeper
Irwin- keeper, he’s a good backup especially for under $1M
Alexeyev- he’s young, still needs to develop some and under $1M, not worth trading
Carlson- after this season he still has 3 years left at $8M per, untradable because of the contract but 
             should be traded
*everyone on D will be a UFA next season except Carlson, Fehervary and Alexeyev

the mess that is offense:
OV- keeper, face of the franchise, keeps fan support high
Wilson- keeper
Strome- keeper
Milano- keeper
Sheary- keeper
Protas- keeper, especially at $1M, good size, young, still has plenty of room to develop
Hathy- keeper, if nothing else for his grit
Aubé-Kubel- keeper
Backy- $9.2M, if his hip holds up he will be worth it, unless an exceptional deal pops up
Kuzy- $7.8M, I could go either way with him, depends highly on the trade
Oshie- keeper, $5.8M per, I think Oshie is aware his time is short with his frequent injuries
Johansson- could go either way, he’s playing better than expected and only cost $1M
Eller- $3.5M, I think the Caps need to keep him for depth at center, he’s a UFA next season
Mantha- odd man out, he would save $5.7M IF the Caps can get a decent trade deal



If we're simply looking to the future without regard to sentiment or pleasing certain fans, then I think guys like Backstrom and Oshie need to be gently ushered into retirement or traded for whatever we could get.  Carlson should also be traded. Somebody would be entranced with his offense enough to pay him, I think.  Even Wilson would be potential trade material if it seems that he's been permanently diminished by his injury.  Without his physical play, he's just another 3rd line forward.  It goes without saying that Mantha needs to go. The rest of the guys, outside the keepers would be available under the right circumstances.  As they say, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

IMO, the keepers are

Kuemper, Lindgren....who else you gonna get?

Orlov
Gustaffson
TVR
Fehervary

Ovie
Sheary
Hathaway
Kuz
Strome
Dowd

Jensen, Eller, Protas, A-K, Milano, Mojo could go in the right deal.  We need to see more of guys like Alexeyev, Malensteyn, Snively and McMichael to know if they're long term parts of the puzzle.
Title: Trade Deadline 2023: Friday March 3, 3pm est.
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday February 09, 2023, 06:19:55 PM Eastern
https://twitter.com/SWhyno/status/1623815906647310343
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Thursday February 09, 2023, 06:45:16 PM Eastern
 :raspberry:
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday February 09, 2023, 07:23:36 PM Eastern
Thanks! I swear I looked for the topic (knew I'd seen it) and it wasn't there? Went back 3 pages..  :raspberry:
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Tuesday February 21, 2023, 12:01:48 PM Eastern
the Caps either need to sell big time, or just let a few contracts run out at the end of the season. Bringing in someone just for a playoff chance is pointless.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday February 21, 2023, 03:10:06 PM Eastern
I don't remember if teams can re-sign UFA players that they trade after the year is over?


If so, it seems that the Caps would negotiate with every player that they like and try to come to a reasonable price before the deadline. For instance, Orlov.  He might actually want to stay and let's say the Caps get him to agree to a deal at some number - say $4M per year.  Then before they actually sign him, they go to him and say they could trade him for a second round pick to a Cup contender, but that they intend to sign him in the summer at $4.1M per year. He does the club a favor and agrees to the trade and the Caps do him a favor by letting him go to a contender and giving him a little more $ when they do sign him.  I'm sure this is not allowable, but makes a lot of sense.


Assuming it isn't allowable, the Caps should then just try to sign who they can before the deadline and trade all UFAs that don't re-sign.  Every single one of them.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday February 21, 2023, 03:34:36 PM Eastern
10 days and counting. Not sure anyone wants anything we're selling, but hopefully we can find some dummies buyers!
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 21, 2023, 06:20:51 PM Eastern
Speaking of selling stuff....Anybody know anyone who needs one of these?


I heard they can come in handy at the range on occasion...




 :raspberry:
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: capsfanpdx on Tuesday February 21, 2023, 07:09:55 PM Eastern


Orlov might be gettting shopped around...............
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday February 21, 2023, 07:12:42 PM Eastern
Speaking of selling stuff....Anybody know anyone who needs one of these?


I heard they can come in handy at the range on occasion...




 :raspberry:


 8-0
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday February 22, 2023, 02:46:54 PM Eastern
Right about now, Strome is thinking...."WTF did I just do to my career?"
Good thing Mantha got dinged - maybe they IR him and it will save him being traded and we can keep him forever  :wackysmile:


This team HAS to be sellers now right?  I mean they CAN'T think they have a shot to progress, right?
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: capsfanpdx on Wednesday February 22, 2023, 02:52:24 PM Eastern


boy, what a 5 game skid does for the media!   SELL SELL SELL! ORLOV! ELLER! JENSEN! HATAWAY!


We aren't going to the playoffs next year based on this years deadline, but our 'winning' days were with YOUNGER players this year.  Get as MUCH as you can of the UFA's and retool the blue line, it just isn't working anymore (soft soft soft).


Excited actually for the next couple years IF we get younger.  If they limp this  Beer league roster along anymore I might watch a lot more WC play.........




Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Wednesday February 22, 2023, 04:05:04 PM Eastern
One more thing that has not been mentioned, this the final year of Lavi’s contract. I haven’t been impressed with how he’s dealt with young talent. The goaltending needs better coaching, and the power play desperately needs a fresh approach.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday February 22, 2023, 06:05:42 PM Eastern
Yep, I was hoping they'd keep Orlov on D, but if they can get a pick for him, send him! Send anyone who's a FA if you can get something back!


I swear to god, I'd keep Ovi, Nicky (for nostalgia) and Wilson and move every-single-one else that I could. All of em, no exceptions. That includes -all- the coaches and GM.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Thursday February 23, 2023, 07:15:10 AM Eastern
The Caps have only 3 games left before the trade deadline.  That isn't enough to convince anyone that they are a playoff team this year, even if they play well.  But given who the games are against, it sure could be a demonstration of their shortcomings.  This is an inflection point for the franchise -- they need to try to make something productive out of it.


Has anyone heard if/when Ovie is returning?  If he doesn't come back soon, this team could be headed for an epic collapse, which might not be a bad thing IF they do have a selloff.




OOPS -- Just saw an article that said Ovechkin is back in town, and will probably be in uniform for the next game.  It will be interesting to see what kind of lift  the team gets from his presence.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday February 23, 2023, 10:54:21 AM Eastern
Hard to say how Ovie will react.  He is/was very close to his parents.  His dad was in poor health for sometime, but not sure they were expecting his death.  He IS the captain and a presence on the ice/bench/locker room though, so hopefully they will all be up for this one.


Plus....how many stinkers can you throw in a row?  Luck has to shine their way at some point even if they are not at there best.  They are getting scoring chances, they just aren't scoring.

Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: capsfanpdx on Thursday February 23, 2023, 02:47:04 PM Eastern
Yep, I was hoping they'd keep Orlov on D, but if they can get a pick for him, send him! Send anyone who's a FA if you can get something back!


I swear to god, I'd keep Ovi, Nicky (for nostalgia) and Wilson and move every-single-one else that I could. All of em, no exceptions. That includes -all- the coaches and GM.
Yeah, I like keeping centers too.   I am excited to see a whole new group in the near future.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday February 23, 2023, 06:25:23 PM Eastern
Bummer it's not a dozen other guys.


https://twitter.com/Tarik_ElBashir/status/1628880628325163011
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Thursday February 23, 2023, 06:25:39 PM Eastern

plus.. PLUS, the Caps retain %50 of Orlovs salary


 :wtf:

https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1628896067247828993 (https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1628896067247828993)
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday February 23, 2023, 08:03:31 PM Eastern
I mean fuck it...why not.  We were likely going to lose Orlov anyway - or WAY overpay him.
Hathy sucks to see go cause the guy brings energy and havoc, (but little else).  He is well liked though.  You wanted change....gonna lose some guys you like.

I would MUCH rather JQC have been healthy and we got a bag a pucks for him.
Did we really retain half Orlov's salary  :huh: .  Oh, but it's only this year so who cares.


And now we now why McIlrath was moved up for a couple games.
It will be funny when we beat Boston in the first round of the playoffs this year.  :wackysmile:

Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: capsfanpdx on Friday February 24, 2023, 04:31:51 PM Eastern


Looks like the floodgates are about to open!!

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/search/label/Washington%20Capitals
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Friday February 24, 2023, 05:44:41 PM Eastern
This is probably too nice to happen to us.. We can dream though.


https://twitter.com/Tarik_ElBashir/status/1629195075094814720
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Friday February 24, 2023, 09:25:08 PM Eastern
For those who ask why, we had to keep some of Orlov's salary to make the deal work, because of BOSTON'S salary cap situation.  Heck, the Bruins even had to pay the Wild to take on some of Orlov's salary.  I didn't realize a 3rd party could do that.


The article about other players potentially being dealt surprised me.  Gustafson I sort of expected, but TVR and Eller -- Could they REALLY make enough difference for someone to be worth some kind of asset to acquire?  I'd think 3rd to 5th round pick for each of those guys.


With us seemingly having no salary cap issues, I'm guessing that means we won't see Carlson the rest of this season (I'm assuming no playoffs).  His salary gives us the cushion we need to keep half of Orlov's salary and take on Smith.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: waynerivers on Saturday February 25, 2023, 06:36:05 PM Eastern
I hate to see Orlov and Hathaway go but from an age perspective, it's the right move.  Maybe management finally realizes that the rebuild is here in earnest.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Sunday February 26, 2023, 11:22:10 AM Eastern
Just catching up on this. Good move to get the picks. Hope they don't turn around and burn them on a trade to "stay competitive. Why not just try and sign the UFAs to new deals and trade every one of them that they can't sign.


I'm surprised they didn't resign TVR earlier as they have always liked him and they protected him the expansion draft which was a bit of a surprise at the time.


Also surprised they didn't resign Gustafson earlier, but maybe he wanted to finish his one year, low dollar deal and see what he could do on the market - wish we could keep him.


Anyway, I bet we trade 2 or 3 more and get picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Anything above that would be a bonuse.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday February 26, 2023, 03:47:25 PM Eastern
I'm hoping against hope that we keep Milano.    :cross:
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday February 26, 2023, 11:16:27 PM Eastern
I would give up all of the team, ..with 3 exceptions.  Ovi, Oshie and Milano.   To get Trotz back.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Monday February 27, 2023, 04:28:16 AM Eastern
Trotz just signed a deal in Nashville, he’s the new GM.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Monday February 27, 2023, 07:32:37 AM Eastern
I would give up all of the team, ..with 3 exceptions.  Ovi, Oshie and Milano.   To get Trotz back.




Just my opinion, but I think your loyalty ought to be tilted toward franchise cornerstone Wilson rather than relative newcomer Milano in deciding who to keep.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Surreylily on Monday February 27, 2023, 09:10:28 AM Eastern



Just my opinion, but I think your loyalty ought to be tilted toward franchise cornerstone Wilson rather than relative newcomer Milano in deciding who to keep.

It was definitely between Willy and Milly for top three.
There are many players I like and for different reasons.  Fever for instance.  I could easily compile a top 10.  Sadly, Halfway would have been on that list. 
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Surreylily on Monday February 27, 2023, 09:12:11 AM Eastern
Trotz just signed a deal in Nashville, he’s the new GM.


 :crying: :crying: :crying: :gundang:


Good luck to him.  At least he's back in hockey.   :hearts:
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: capsfanpdx on Monday February 27, 2023, 02:07:58 PM Eastern

It seems the big 'get' would by Jakob Chychrun if possible for the Caps.  Milano and Strome were just signed and not going anywhere.   Outside of a dman, I think we are looking at salary dump and picks/prospects to add to the stable.  Maybe we will see one more significant trade (Kuzy might fetch us WAY more than he is worth which would be nice) and 77 as well.

I do think they will look to the FA market in the offseason to refill the blue line and just coast 8 to the record.  This will be a multi-year retooling for sure.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Monday February 27, 2023, 05:09:51 PM Eastern
It seems the big 'get' would by Jakob Chychrun if possible for the Caps.  Milano and Strome were just signed and not going anywhere.   Outside of a dman, I think we are looking at salary dump and picks/prospects to add to the stable.  Maybe we will see one more significant trade (Kuzy might fetch us WAY more than he is worth which would be nice) and 77 as well.

I do think they will look to the FA market in the offseason to refill the blue line and just coast 8 to the record.  This will be a multi-year retooling for sure.


Good call on Chychrun, but I don't know if the Caps could afford him unless they offloaded Carlson somehow.  Wherever he ends up playing, he will be resigning soon for a pile of money, much more than the $4M he's making now.  He'll be 25 next month, so he's really young, and you can bet that Arizona will be asking a boatload for him.  Would it be worth offloading the 1st and 2nd round picks we just obtained to get him?  That's probably what it is going to take.  Or would McMichael or Protas be worth jettisoning if it would save us a draft pick?  OR maybe TVR?
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Monday February 27, 2023, 05:41:29 PM Eastern
At this juncture, I’d be surprised if Hags returns, that salary is in question. He’s a pending UFA at $2.75M per. The Caps still have Brown on IR. He’s listed as a pending UFA. His current contract is $3.6M per. Maybe he’d take just a touch less after missing a year to injury. The couple games we saw him in I liked. Now he’s gotta reprove himself.

and I don’t see anything major happening without a major salary dump. Maybe the hockey gods throw us a bone and Carlson has to retire because of his head injury...

Having 14 guys coming up as UFA/RFA at the same time is ridiculous, and, it’s the GMs fault.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Monday February 27, 2023, 06:59:11 PM Eastern
I hate to say it, because I love the heart of the guy, but if we could trade Oshie, that would be huge to dump his salary.  He was never a great skater, but age and injuries have taken a toll.  He could help somebody in the playoffs though and it seems teams are overpaying, so maybe a 1st for him?  His salary though makes it tough.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Monday February 27, 2023, 11:58:58 PM Eastern
If they got Chychrun, they'd definitely have to plan on parting ways with Carlson at some point. I read that Carlson and Mantha are with the team on the road trip, so retirement seems unlikely. lol


Oshi would be prime to move if he didn't have 2 more years at 5.75m attached to him. Maybe someone would do it, but we'd probably be retaining salary and what not.


Kuzy we could move. They're scared to make a bold move like that though.


I'll be shocked if we get anything more than another 2nd/3rd round pick (for anyone) before the deadline.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 01:52:31 PM Eastern
If they got Chychrun, they'd definitely have to plan on parting ways with Carlson at some point. I read that Carlson and Mantha are with the team on the road trip, so retirement seems unlikely. lol


Oshi would be prime to move if he didn't have 2 more years at 5.75m attached to him. Maybe someone would do it, but we'd probably be retaining salary and what not.


Kuzy we could move. They're scared to make a bold move like that though.


I'll be shocked if we get anything more than another 2nd/3rd round pick (for anyone) before the deadline.




The only way Oshie gets moved at this point is to a team who has to be concerned about the salary cap floor, not the upper limit. 


I think you're right about any possible additional moves -- a 3rd round pick (for a guy like Gustafson) is about the most we can expect, and for others like TVR you'd probably get a 4th/5th round pick.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 03:25:12 PM Eastern
MoJo is gone..

https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1630670213459894281 (https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1630670213459894281)
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 04:42:52 PM Eastern
Gustafsson and Boston's 1st round pick to Toronto for  D Rasmus Sandin
I know nothing about him, other than: Former 1st rounder, 22 years old, 5'11" 185lb. 1.4m salary through next year..


https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1630683445759279107 (https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1630683445759279107)
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 05:04:40 PM Eastern
just looking through a few things, team management knew they had 15 UFAs and two RFAs this season. That is a monumental cluster foxtrot of their own making.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 05:10:20 PM Eastern
Yea, but anyone they trade (that's a UFA) they can probably get back in the offseason, if they "really" want to. Team has nothing going on this year, so might as well get some picks if we can.


I like the Sandin trade. Kid has potential and some term left. Is only 22. If they weren't gonna get Chychrun, this is a good alternative. 22 year old "nhl'rs" are hard to come by.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: capsfanpdx on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 05:19:50 PM Eastern

need to stack up more pics now!
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 05:21:11 PM Eastern
Rasmus Sandin:  Will turn 23 next week.  Played in 52 regular season games for Toronto so far this season, so fair to say he's basically been a full-time defenseman.  Generally has played 15-19 minutes per game, so not a first pairing defenseman; probably sort of a 2nd pair for Toronto.  BUT this may be his first full-time season, so not a surprise - maybe more of a surprise that he is at least marginally a top 4 defenseman at age 22.  5'11", 185 lbs., so a bit undersized, but interestingly, with Hathaway gone, he comes in as #3 on the Capitals in hits for the season, with 113, so he seems not to be afraid to mix it up a bit.  +/- of +10, for what that's worth. 


The Caps will have several years of control and reasonable cost containment over him, so there's that.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: capsfanpdx on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 05:22:43 PM Eastern
Rasmus Sandin:  Will turn 23 next week.  Played in 52 regular season games for Toronto so far this season, so fair to say he's basically been a full-time defenseman.  Generally has played 15-19 minutes per game, so not a first pairing defenseman; probably sort of a 2nd pair for Toronto.  BUT this may be his first full-time season, so not a surprise - maybe more of a surprise that he is at least marginally a top 4 defenseman at age 22.  5'11", 185 lbs., so a bit undersized, but interestingly, with Hathaway gone, he comes in as #3 on the Capitals in hits for the season, with 113, so he seems not to be afraid to mix it up a bit.  +/- of +10, for what that's worth. 


The Caps will have several years of control and reasonable cost containment over him, so there's that.

I think he was third line pairing in Toronto.....
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 05:23:58 PM Eastern
need to stack up more pics now!




Yeah, I was disappointed to lose the pick that figured to be close to #32 in this year's draft, because I already knew who I wanted the Caps to select with that pick:  The #1 goalie in this year's draft, who doesn't figure to go in the first round, a huge, 6'6" 215 pound guy.


Oh well.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 05:26:54 PM Eastern
I think he was third line pairing in Toronto.....




Well, it looks as though he has averaged about 17 minutes a game this season.  Looking at Toronto's defense, they really don't have big names, so maybe all their defensemen play similar minutes, instead of the top 4 logging heavier minutes and the bottom 2 lagging behind.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 05:44:08 PM Eastern
So I read where he was on the outs in Toronto and now was going to be out of the lineup since they got McCabe.  He is an RFA at the end of next year, so I guess the Caps basically get only two years of control, then he's gone.  We basically traded Gus and Orlov (both UFAs) for two years of control on a guy that had worked his way to the bench in Toronto.   Seems like we could have gotten at least a second rounder for Gus.  Not sure I love this one.  If we are going to trade away picks and assets, we need to get guys back with term left on their contracts.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 07:21:02 PM Eastern
Kuzy is out with non-covid flu...yeah it's called the "trade-flu)  :wackysmile:




Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 07:23:26 PM Eastern
It would have been nice to get more for Gusty, but reality is...at the end of the season we were going to get nothing for him.
I afraid the Caps are going to dick around and keep Carlson and trade away Kuzy to dump salary.
Not that that is the end of the world, but Kuzy has some upside and supreme talent, just not the heart to go with it.  I think Carlson will just continue to decline and not only ride, but rather drive the suck bus into eternity
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 08:03:01 PM Eastern
So I read where he was on the outs in Toronto and now was going to be out of the lineup since they got McCabe.  He is an RFA at the end of next year, so I guess the Caps basically get only two years of control, then he's gone.  We basically traded Gus and Orlov (both UFAs) for two years of control on a guy that had worked his way to the bench in Toronto.   Seems like we could have gotten at least a second rounder for Gus.  Not sure I love this one.  If we are going to trade away picks and assets, we need to get guys back with term left on their contracts.


RFA's have some contract leverage, but they can't leave the organization directly.  So while the Caps may not have salary control, they do have control of his presence within the organization.  Some other team could present Sundin with an offer sheet after he becomes an RFA, but the Caps could match it -- and offer sheets for RFA's are so rare that it isn't a concern.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 10:15:49 PM Eastern
Another overpay imo.. But, is what it is. I hope GMBM knows what he's doing.


https://twitter.com/TomGulittiNHL/status/1630765297719296000
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 10:35:14 PM Eastern
that’s a $1.5M a year raise
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday February 28, 2023, 11:06:05 PM Eastern
that’s a $1.5M a year raise


Yep. And for a 32 year old. Best thing about the deal is it's only 3 years. I "read" he was worth 5m on the market? lol I guess inflation is affecting pro sports salaries as well? Everyone we're extending is making about a million more than their worth, imo. Who knows, maybe the market has gone up more than I realize. I don't pay much attention to the rest of the league.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 07:57:49 AM Eastern
that’s a $1.5M a year raise


What 32-year-old got a $1.5 million raise?  I apparently am missing a resigning story here.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 08:49:27 AM Eastern

What 32-year-old got a $1.5 million raise?  I apparently am missing a resigning story here.


Jensen
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 10:59:26 AM Eastern

RFA's have some contract leverage, but they can't leave the organization directly.  So while the Caps may not have salary control, they do have control of his presence within the organization.  Some other team could present Sundin with an offer sheet after he becomes an RFA, but the Caps could match it -- and offer sheets for RFA's are so rare that it isn't a concern.


I may be wrong about this but if he is an RFA at the end of the next season, the Caps have to come to an agreement or he plays the next year at an arbitration salary and is a UFA at the end?  If that is the case, we only have control for the next two years.


The other issue with RFAs and UFAs in the next two years is that the Caps won't be a desireable team to play for - unless they get overpaid.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 11:37:30 AM Eastern
20 year old center, 6th round pick last year, played this past season in the WHL…

https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1630968457075228675 (https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1630968457075228675)
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 12:11:08 PM Eastern
We shall see..


https://twitter.com/NoVa_Caps/status/1630954158718087170


Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 01:16:18 PM Eastern
I can see moving Eller, I think Sheary is worth a 2-3 year contract.

I still think the major improvement they need won’t come without a major salary dump.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: waynerivers on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 01:36:04 PM Eastern
After the fire sale we'll still have Mantha, Carlson, Backstrom, Oshie and probably Kuz so lots more to be done.  I see Orlov had 2 goals and an assist last night.  He's one guy I would have liked to have seen stay.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 01:52:32 PM Eastern
After the fire sale we'll still have Mantha, Carlson, Backstrom, Oshie and probably Kuz so lots more to be done.  I see Orlov had 2 goals and an assist last night.  He's one guy I would have liked to have seen stay.


One of the things I’ve read about Orly is he wanted six more years plus the pay raise, that’s more than this team can afford. But yea, I’d prefer him over Carlson at this point.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 01:53:45 PM Eastern
meh, got something at least..

https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1631001174198419469 (https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1631001174198419469)
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: capsfanpdx on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 04:01:22 PM Eastern
I like all the moves so far.  I think at last count we now have 14 draft pics over the next 3 year.........
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 07:26:35 PM Eastern
Chychrun was traded to Ottawa
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 07:41:58 PM Eastern
I do like that we are moving pending FA's off our roster and actually getting something for them.  It did suck to see Orlov go, but I agree the Caps were never going to be able to afford him, so it's good we got something for him.
Eller - meh, not sure if he would've stayed or not, but doubt the Caps could really afford to pay him what he may fetch in FA - or that he is ultimately worth it.  I'd rather lose all these guys and get something in return as opposed to losing them in FA anyway - or worse yet, pay WAY TOO much for them.  Same goes for Hathy, and MOJO.  Although a guy like Mojo especially, I could see him re-signing with the Caps next year for a reasonable salary, unless someone throws stupid money at him (or he really has a desire to win a cup).  I could see Hathy coming back too.  All depends on $$ I guess.  But who knows...maybe they don't mind leaving a team in decline for greener pastures and more money.


I would like to keep Sheary at a reasonable salary.  He hasn't scored alot, but he is Mr Hustle on every shift.


And I am actually a bit surprised.  It's overdue and greatly needed, but somehow I figured we might just keep sticking to the same ole shit year after year.


Now all we need is to win another generational player with one of these newfound pics.


Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 07:43:22 PM Eastern
Chychrun was traded to Ottawa


For a 1st and 2 seconds.. Doesn't seem like much, for all the hype he was creating?
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Wednesday March 01, 2023, 09:58:47 PM Eastern

For a 1st and 2 seconds.. Doesn't seem like much, for all the hype he was creating?




Unless Ottawa improves significantly in the next couple of years, those picks figure to be early selections.


Not all round X picks are created equal.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday March 02, 2023, 08:27:31 AM Eastern
Caps better make/find some room for Wilson's raise.. Which is due after next season. He's gonna ask for and get $8 million (somewhere) easy..


Small deal, but another Center on the books for next year, from Hershey.
https://twitter.com/sammisilber/status/1631331748083638278
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: BlackIce on Friday March 03, 2023, 08:21:47 AM Eastern
Less than 7 hours until the deadline.  Anyone hear of any more deals in the pipeline?  I'd have thought TVR might be moved, but with the injuries from last game, they may have to keep him around.  He wouldn't bring much, anyway -- maybe a 4th or 5th-rounder.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Friday March 03, 2023, 09:44:38 AM Eastern
I haven’t seen anything else yet. I do expect something else to drop by 3pm. But either way the off-season will be interesting as well.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Friday March 03, 2023, 09:46:24 AM Eastern
https://twitter.com/DetroitRedWings/status/1631658209470554117 (https://twitter.com/DetroitRedWings/status/1631658209470554117)
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Friday March 03, 2023, 09:46:59 AM Eastern
I bet they are trying hard to resign TVR - they like him. If they trade him, I would think they could do a little better - maybe a 3rd?  I am surprised they didn't resign him earlier, but I guess they didn't have the cap room.


I would hope they are trying to sign Sheary, but I suspect they will trade him today and maybe get a 3rd, probably a 4th. 


My longshot hope is still a trade a Mantha - which would probably mean retaining some salary.  He might actually be pretty good for a playoff team with a hardass coach that could get him going.  It's not going to happen, but we can dream....
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Friday March 03, 2023, 10:20:16 AM Eastern
speaking of TVR…

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1631663578162900995 (https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1631663578162900995)



Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Friday March 03, 2023, 02:43:28 PM Eastern
https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1631735530386780161 (https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/1631735530386780161)
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: alta on Friday March 03, 2023, 03:07:09 PM Eastern
Trade deadline has past and no more announcements from the team. They still have 6 UFAs on the roster so summer is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: 2023 NHL trade deadline
Post by: Mickstix on Friday March 03, 2023, 04:48:44 PM Eastern
Oh well, deadline comes and goes, and we're still tied down by four big-ass, slow, out of gas by the 3rd period, contracts.. 19, 74, 77, 92 Until they move at least 2 of those, we'll just be doing "tryouts" for the next 3-5 years. Can't overcome the age/lack of speed for a full 60 minutes, 82x a year, with all those guys on your roster. Not happenin'..  :-(

They should see if anyone wants Kuemper in the offseason too. We have no need for a $5m+ goalie, until we can actually compete with the rest of the league.