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Title: Goalies
Post by: Surreylily on Wednesday May 18, 2022, 02:24:01 AM Eastern
Your comments and reasons please.    :goalie:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Surreylily on Wednesday May 18, 2022, 03:13:02 AM Eastern
I don't think either of our two young guys are quite up to NHL stndard just yet.  A couple of more years.... maybe???

Sammy, I think is the more naturally talented and athletic.  He's also the least menatally and emotionally mature of the two.   Far, far too erratic.  He doesn't seem to understand the difference between arrogance/ignorance/confidence.  He's just not ready to play at this level.  When he first came over, he had little regard for the rules and got benched for his antics.  I think he relies a little too heavily on the influence of his countrymen.  His attitude reflects that of Kuzy's whe he first came here.  Even with Ovi's mentoring it took a couple years for Kuzy to grow up.
 

VV appears fractionally slower in comparison, in his reaction times, but his positioning and recovery seems to be slightly better.
It's his epic collapses that bother me.  I think he lacks the mental strength that is integral to this position.  Also  I am concerned about his lack of preperation before a game.   He let's in far, far too many early goals.  However, I feel less stressed when he is in goal.   Go figure?!

I dont't think either of these guys are ready for this level.


I dont know where else to look.
Some suggestions would be great???


 :hearts:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Wednesday May 18, 2022, 02:48:30 PM Eastern
https://novacapsfans.com/2022/05/18/capitals-current-goaltender-depth-chart-and-projected-assignments-for-2022-23-season/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2022/05/18/capitals-current-goaltender-depth-chart-and-projected-assignments-for-2022-23-season/)
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday May 18, 2022, 04:59:45 PM Eastern
I'd look for a new goalie coach before I did anything else. Then trust their opinion. Be hard to swallow reupping Sammy at 2mil a year, but he's probably got the most upside, imo. I'd make Fucale the backup.
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: justwincaps on Friday May 20, 2022, 09:29:58 PM Eastern
If you can, find a true #1 goalie, a new goalie coach and make Fucale the backup.

If you have to keep one of the goalies, VV is cheaper and Sammy - despite years of having the most "upside" - isn't worth the $$ we'd need to spend on him given our cap situation.
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday May 21, 2022, 09:26:53 AM Eastern
If you can, find a true #1 goalie, a new goalie coach and make Fucale the backup.

If you have to keep one of the goalies, VV is cheaper and Sammy - despite years of having the most "upside" - isn't worth the $$ we'd need to spend on him given our cap situation.


Finding one shouldn't be too hard, it's affording a true #1 we will struggle with.
Hey....I bet Mike Smith from Calgary will be available next year.  He'd fit right in with our team....you know....since he's OLD.  40 years old. :raspberry:
Nope...he's signed through next year with CGY.  Their #1 Mikko Koskinnen is a UFA though.  Made $4.5m this season.


On a side note....I was looking at Edmonton's roster and their top 6 forwards are signed, and 4/6 of their D, but man, they have 6 UFA forwards and 3 RFA forwards for next year.  That's 9 of their 18 forwards, plus 2 of their 6 D that need contracts this summer.  Their GM got some work to do this summer.

Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Wednesday May 25, 2022, 05:36:16 PM Eastern
Ain’t nothing gonna happen until after someone wins the Cup, so… be patient. Caps fans should be used to that.
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: BlackIce on Wednesday June 01, 2022, 04:53:36 AM Eastern
Goalies??  We don't need no stinkin' goalies!!


Nothing says more about the current state of the NHL than an 8-6 game in the Stanley Cup semis.  It's like the old NHL all-star games.
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Ozzies09tc on Friday June 24, 2022, 11:03:12 PM Eastern
I'd look for a new goalie coach before I did anything else. Then trust their opinion. Be hard to swallow reupping Sammy at 2mil a year, but he's probably got the most upside, imo. I'd make Fucale the backup.


I voted for VV and Other


With a better goalie coach and a more seasoned goalie to mentor VV he could become a viable goalie.
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Friday July 08, 2022, 06:16:27 PM Eastern
welp, Vtec is gone. That means the Caps are going to trade for someone because they ain’t got this covered from within, yet
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday July 09, 2022, 12:26:45 PM Eastern
Ain’t nothing gonna happen until after someone wins the Cup, so… be patient. Caps fans should be used to that.


When you say "used to that" - Do you mean.... Used to waiting the longest because we are usually out in the first round of the playoffs?  :huh: :raspberry:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: richkrt99 on Saturday July 09, 2022, 12:27:54 PM Eastern
welp, Vtec is gone. That means the Caps are going to trade for someone because they ain’t got this covered from within, yet


I am sure it will be someone old....cause....we need some more mature aging players on this roster  :wackysmile:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Saturday July 09, 2022, 12:46:35 PM Eastern

When you say "used to that" - Do you mean.... Used to waiting the longest because we are usually out in the first round of the playoffs?  :huh: :raspberry:


 :uh-huh:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Saturday July 09, 2022, 01:02:20 PM Eastern
this team traded off Vtec for ONE draft pick   >:(


 :clown: :poop:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Monday July 11, 2022, 05:59:21 PM Eastern
that’s that, Sammy is a UFA and would “likely demand $3-3.5M”

https://novacapsfans.com/2022/07/11/capitals-do-not-tender-qualifying-offer-to-ilya-samsonov/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2022/07/11/capitals-do-not-tender-qualifying-offer-to-ilya-samsonov/)

Now they definitely need a #1 because they don’t have that in the system. I’m guessing Fucale will be #2.
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Mickstix on Monday July 11, 2022, 06:33:19 PM Eastern
I guess that makes sense if Sammy wanted 3+ mil.. The dumb thing was trading VV for a 7th round draft pick (where'd I get that idea?)  :huh: Don't think he was even making 1mil.?  I don't mind Fucale being there, if that's what they do. But he's still a wild card as well. A not young wild card at that. Gonna be funny if they spend a bunch of money on a goalie and this goalie coach breaks them too.. Caps haven't had a decent goalie since Korn left. Coincidence?  :smirk:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Monday July 11, 2022, 06:37:55 PM Eastern
I think there were some other issues with Sammy - maybe he and Kuzy together were bad influences for each other.  Just pure speculation. 


My bet is that they go after Gibson and I guess that is my hope as I was not impressed by Kempfer.  I honestly don't see much difference between him and Sammy as they can both play well in stretches, but give  up way too many bad goals.
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday July 12, 2022, 09:18:39 AM Eastern
Hmm ..... the Caps just discarded both their NHL goalies.


Wilson is probably out until calendar 2023.


Backstrom is out until (when?  ...... forever?)  I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to pull a Kucherov and keep him out until next season's playoffs (if they can make it).  That's 9.5 million of cap exemption that they can use to fill the roster with any number of skaters.  And who knows if Backstrom can EVER return as more than a faint shadow of what he used to be?  That strategy in turn would allow them to spend for a goalie.  They just use all their cap money on goaltending and Backstrom's exemption to fill in the last few spots on the skating roster.


If it were any other team, the competitive circumstance the Caps find themselves in would SCREAM for a teardown/rebuild.  But that isn't the Caps' MO, at least as long as Ovechkin is on the roster.                                                                                                                     
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday July 12, 2022, 11:58:58 AM Eastern
I would certainly hope the Caps intend to spend Backy's available relief on new assets but the comments made by GMBM scare me ...."Planning for him to return and will need the cap space for it" or something to that effect.
I would think realistically it would be very late in the season before Backy was able to return and then at what level so I would just force the issue and spend the cap relief money elsewhere.  Chances are he may never return and if he does and you postpone it by a month or two until playoffs then so be it.


As for GT... I was NOT impressed by Keumper either.  He had some great moments but also some flaky ones.  He would not be my first choice, but then I really don't know what the choices are at this point.


Passing on Sammy....meh, at $3.5m I'd have to pass on him too.  Never know....he might return at less money depending on what FA offers bring, but I'd assume someone out there picks him up.  He could become great at some point for someone, but after the last 3 seasons with him, I'm not distraught with his departure.


Caps have so many needs to fill.  They will need a D man to replace Schultz.  He was more solid than I expected from him over the past two seasons (especially with injury history) but not sure I want him back at age 32 at $4m/yr.  We pretty much have our top 4 plus TVR but we need one more.  I am fully ready to let Kempny walk...think he is done.  Irwin is an FA and you can keep him around as a bargain fill-in but I don't see him in the top 6.

So many social engagements needs to fill, so little time money...

https://youtu.be/ZKPG1nG-OTg



Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday July 13, 2022, 12:54:05 PM Eastern
Supposedly, Kempfer is coming our way. Don't love that and we have certainly screwed up the goalie options over the last few years.  I was rooting hard for Colorado and every time somebody got a decent shot on Kempfer I just cringed.


Regarding Backy, my theory is that Caps ownership is not happy about putting him on LTIR and having to pay him, plus pay another $9 million with the Cap relief.  I think there has been some coaching to get Backy to say he will be back, when they know he is done.


Caps ownership and management has two main traits - loyalty to their guys no matter what, and watching the bottom line. While they know they have to spend to the Cap, they don't buy out big contracts and they max out ticket price increases every year.
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Wednesday July 13, 2022, 01:50:17 PM Eastern
Caps singed Kumpfer, 5 years at $5.25M per. I think that’s too much, but hopefully I’m wrong.


and…

The Caps signed UFA Charlie Lindgren for 3 years at $1.1M per. He was the backup in St Louis last year.


The goal tending is taken care of, can’t tell if it’s fixed yet. Now they need defense, two of them.

Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday July 13, 2022, 05:58:30 PM Eastern
Well I guess that's that then.
I wasn't the biggest fan of Kuemper, but then I've really only seen him play in this past year's SC games.
Looking at his career stats -he has pretty good consistent stats even with playing for Arizona for 4 years.  I guess he decided one Cup was enough so he'd come to Washington and get paid....(with a deal that is at least two years too long IMO).


I wanted an established #1, but damn....couldn't we find a guy who would help bring the team age down?  Caps signed for too long a deal as usual.  $5.5m might be okay over the next 2-3 years, but those last two are gonna hurt.


He's a big goober at 6'-5" though.  At least when he gets too old too move his body still blocks most of the net.


Caps must have been really fed up with bipolar play of both of last years guys.




Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday July 13, 2022, 11:00:29 PM Eastern
Sammy signs a one year deal with Toronto for $1.8m.  Not a great deal for Sammy I don't think.  Fair enough price, but one year...


And Giroux signs for three years with Ottowa at $19.5m.  Ouch - that seem steep for a 34 year old center.  Wait....how old is Backy?.....how much does he make?  :smirk:


Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Ozzies09tc on Friday July 15, 2022, 09:46:50 PM Eastern
Chucky Sideburns (Charlie Lindgren) played 5 games with us last year and won all 5 games.

He wants to be a #1 and I hope your goalie coach is good. He's a work in progress with a good strong mental game and has true #1 potential - IMO
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Mickstix on Friday July 15, 2022, 09:54:54 PM Eastern
Chucky Sideburns (Charlie Lindgren) played 5 games with us last year and won all 5 games.

He wants to be a #1 and I hope your goalie coach is good. He's a work in progress with a good strong mental game and has true #1 potential - IMO


Last I checked, our goalie coach was named Biscuit and chases pucks around the ice that have been smeared with peanut butter..  :-( Hopefully they upgrade in the offseason or he'll break both our news guys, imo..
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Surreylily on Wednesday July 20, 2022, 05:41:05 PM Eastern
Well at least we made moves for goalies.
Now we just need a decent goalie coach..............
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday November 15, 2022, 10:01:26 PM Eastern
Okay, so here we go again........
K versus Lindy......
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday November 15, 2022, 10:07:39 PM Eastern
Hi jacking an old thread is probably not the best way to go about this.....
If somebody.. (Alta)... could delete the previous results, that would help.   ;D
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Tuesday November 15, 2022, 10:29:42 PM Eastern
Okay, so here we go again........
K versus Lindy......


Both are an upgrade from last season, so far. The team in front of them is the bigger problem
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday November 15, 2022, 10:50:27 PM Eastern
You wee supposed to reset the scores........ :raspberry:

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday November 15, 2022, 10:52:12 PM Eastern
Neer mind
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: alta on Tuesday November 15, 2022, 11:00:57 PM Eastern
You wee supposed to reset the scores........ :raspberry:

 :rofl:


the scores were reset when the team traded off the previous two guys


 :raspberry:
Title: Re: Goalies
Post by: Surreylily on Tuesday November 15, 2022, 11:18:46 PM Eastern
Sorted it anyways  luv.    :hearts: