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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: alta on Wednesday April 14, 2021, 03:05:08 PM Eastern
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right now I'd give the advantage to Vanecek, but they both have plenty of room to improve
https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/vitek-vanecek-and-ilya-samsonov-who-is-the-capitals-number-one-netminder/
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I guess either one is fine with me at the moment. Hate that their still doing musical goalies, but both are playing pretty well.. We don't have a goalie problem, until we do. :wackysmile:
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That is a tough one. I think Vanecek has been more consistent but I do think that Samsonov is more capable of stealing games.
I normally would go with the more consistent guy but I'm not sure about this one. I think we need to see more games from Samsonov to get a better idea.
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No sitting on the fence for me. :raspberry: I would go for VantheMan as preference.
Both of them need bungee ropes to keep them back in their net. They are both guilty of that. Also, they both tend to try to play the puck too much and too often.
However, Van tends to have better position and comes across as more mature.
Sammy is more athletic, but also more erratic.
It's a fine line, but I have more faith when VantheMan is in net, than I do when Sammy is in.
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I'm leaning towards Sammy.
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Vanecek has a better GA as Save percentage. Samsonov numbers are a bit inflated because of the blowout against the Islanders. Sammy has a better winning percentage by quite a margin.
In recent games I feel that Sammy has had tougher games than Vanecek. Vanecek has very recently played the worst team in the league twice and didn't fair very well.
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that last game was not Vteks fault
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Yea, my only beef with VV is he rarely stops stuff that he shouldn't. Like in the robbery department. I know it's asking a lot, but seems like todays top goalies have that robbery ability. He seems very sound otherwise and hopefully can step into the elite category at some point. Sammy isn't there yet either, but he's who I'd start game 1 of the playoffs, if I had to make a decision today.
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that last game was not Vteks fault
I'm not blaming Vitek but like Mixstick said he makes the saves he is supposed to make.
But I can't believe that you guys can't see how small he plays in goal. He doesn't come out to cut down angles and goes down way too early. And when he is down in the butterfly he leaves alot of room upstairs.
Sammy plays alot bigger and is more athletic. He just needs to calm down and stop moving around so much.
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I'm not blaming Vitek but like Mixstick said he makes the saves he is supposed to make.
But I can't believe that you guys can't see how small he plays in goal. He doesn't come out to cut down angles and goes down way too early. And when he is down in the butterfly he leaves alot of room upstairs.
Sammy plays alot bigger and is more athletic. He just needs to calm down and stop moving around so much.
You clearly just blamed him for those two loses. But then you agree that second one wasn't his fault?
I'm curios, is there anyone in your life that is allowed to have a different opinion than yours?
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You clearly just blamed him for those two loses. But then you agree that second one wasn't his fault?
I'm curios, is there anyone in your life that is allowed to have a different opinion than yours?
Actually I didn't blame him for any losses. BTW of those 2 games I was talking about he didn't lose 2. He was 1 and 1. But he was average at best in both games.
Now can I ask you a question? Is anyone here allowed a different opinion than you?
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Actually I didn't blame him for any losses. BTW of those 2 games I was talking about he didn't lose 2. He was 1 and 1. But he was average at best in both games.
Now can I ask you a question? Is anyone here allowed a different opinion than you?
Of course. That's how life works. I only ask you because you constantly berate me about mine, as well as others. Which by the the way is what annoyed everyone the last time. Have you seen anyone else here say someone else opinion is horseshit? Outside of you and one other guy?
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Vanecek has a better GA as Save percentage. Samsonov numbers are a bit inflated because of the blowout against the Islanders. Sammy has a better winning percentage by quite a margin.
In recent games I feel that Sammy has had tougher games than Vanecek. Vanecek has very recently played the worst team in the league twice and didn't fair very well.
nice quote, Vtek didn't fair well last game, yet at the same time the last game was hardly his fault.
So which is it
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Of course. That's how life works. I only ask you because you constantly berate me about mine, as well as others. Which by the the way is what annoyed everyone the last time. Have you seen anyone else here say someone else opinion is horseshit? Outside of you and one other guy?
You think I berate you? My apologies. Not my intent. But I di like a debate once in awhile. You have to admit this site would be pretty pretty boring I'd everyone agreed on everything,
All I am saying is that I am leaning towards Sammy. So what. It's not like I'm saying that Sammy is miles ahead of Vitek. In fact if you read my previous posts I stated the Vitek has been more consistent.
How about I say that I am uncomfortable with our goaltenders for a long playoff run?
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nice quote, Vtek didn't fair well last game, yet at the same time the last game was hardly his fault.
So which is it
I already said he was average at best in the 2 games against Buffalo. What more do you want?
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I already said he was average at best in the 2 games against Buffalo. What more do you want?
consistency
I value all opinions, that's how one learns. Learning stops when you die.
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consistency
From who?
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consistency
I value all opinions, that's how one learns. Learning stops when you die.
You value all opinions?
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You value all opinions?
Yes, unlike you when I said Carlson is the contract that the Caps could most easily replace.
care to go on
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Yes, unlike you when I said Carlson is the contract that the Caps could most easily replace.
care to go on
Actually Carlson is the contract that would be one of the toughest to replace because it would be hard to find a team to take that contract. You have to admit that is a pretty big contract for a defenceman his age. I think we are stuck with it.
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Yes, unlike you when I said Carlson is the contract that the Caps could most easily replace.
care to go on
I value the majority of opinions. I'd say 95% of them.
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Actually Carlson is the contract that would be one of the toughest to replace because it would be hard to find a team to take that contract. You have to admit that is a pretty big contract for a defenceman his age. I think we are stuck with it.
Exactly why he should NOT be protected in the upcoming draft. If he truly is this perennial Norris candidate, then Seatle will take that contract. Which will give the Caps the room needed to resign everyone else plus another top Dman.
Also why he never should have been given $10m
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I value the majority of opinions. I'd say 95% of them.
based on your posting history, this is a false statement
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Exactly why he should NOT be protected in the upcoming draft. If he truly is this perennial Norris candidate, then Seatle will take that contract. Which will give the Caps the room needed to resign everyone else plus another top Dman.
If he was left unprotected, Seattle would take him in a heartbeat but I don't think that is going to happen.
I realize he has a high salary, probably a bit too high but he is a valuable asset to this team. I don't think he could be easily replaced. To replace him with a similar player you would be paying a similar salary.
And replacing him might mean losing some team chemistry. He fits in well with this team. I wouldn't mess around with it.
I'm not a big Carlson fan but I think he is going to be here awhile.
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based on your posting history, this is a false statement
Actually this statement is fairy accurate. Very accurate.
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Back before Game Over Green was traded, everyone had the same opinions of him as they do Carlson. That tells me, among many other things, Carlson is expendable. More precisely, his contract is.
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If he was left unprotected, Seattle would take him in a heartbeat but I don't think that is going to happen.
I realize he has a high salary, probably a bit too high but he is a valuable asset to this team. I don't think he could be easily replaced. To replace him with a similar player you would be paying a similar salary.
And replacing him might mean losing some team chemistry. He fits in well with this team. I wouldn't mess around with it.
I'm not a big Carlson fan but I think he is going to be here awhile.
Wait whut. He's over paid?
Well duh
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Exactly why he should NOT be protected in the upcoming draft. If he truly is this perennial Norris candidate, then Seatle will take that contract. Which will give the Caps the room needed to resign everyone else plus another top Dman.
Also why he never should have been given $10m
I do agree that he shouldn't have been given that kind of money. That's what makes him almost unmoveable.
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oh, one more thing then I'm done beating this horse
Every. Single. Time. you change a player you change the team chemistry.
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Wait whut. He's over paid?
Well duh
What do you want me to say? I never would have signed him to that deal. Blame GMBM for that. But we are probably stuck with him.
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I do agree that he shouldn't have been given that kind of money. That's what makes him almost unmoveable.
I do recall you saying he was worth $10M a year. Too bad the old site isn't accessible.
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oh, one more thing then I'm done beating this horse
Every. Single. Time. you change a player you change the team chemistry.
Wtf are you talking about?
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I do recall you saying he was worth $10M a year. Too bad the old site isn't accessible.
I don't recall saying that. Not saying I didn't. I do get on here and rant when I've been drinking. Like now.
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Wtf are you talking about?
I don't understand how this is a difficult concept to you.
A very recent example would be Vrana being replaced with Mantha. That changes the team chemistry.
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I don't recall saying that. Not saying I didn't. I do get on here and rant when I've been drinking. Like now.
lol, ok
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I don't understand how this is a difficult concept to you.
A very recent example would be Vrana being replaced with Mantha. That changes the team chemistry.
:uh-huh: [size=78%]Hey come on. Be nice.[/size]
Yes I understand changing a player changes team chemistry. I think my point was if the chemistry is there, why fuck wit it?
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lol, ok
Lol you know I've actually enjoyed having this debate/conversation with you.
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:uh-huh: [size=78%]Hey come on. Be nice.[/size]
Yes I understand changing a player changes team chemistry. I think my point was if the chemistry is there, why fuck wit it?
somehow I don't think that was your point tonight, maybe a few more beers will clear it up for you
goodnight, see you tomorrow at puck drop
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somehow I don't think that was your point tonight, maybe a few more beers will clear it up for you
goodnight, see you tomorrow at puck drop
Lol alright. See you tomorrow.
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:huh:
I thought this was the Vitek vs Sammy thread?
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:huh:
I thought this was the Vitek vs Sammy thread?
thread titles are suggestive
have you tried that caps radio app?
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thread titles are suggestive
have you tried that caps radio app?
Yep. Have used it for a couple years. I'm actually at work today....forgot it was early game so I'll catch the first period or two maybe on the streams
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I gues that one's anwere?d now
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I gues that one's anwere?d now
Maybe. I assume you are referring to Samsonov's disciplinary faux pas. But actually, the team may be in a bit of an awkward position here. I assume Kuznetsov is going to resume his center position after his discipline is finished. If he's back in the lineup, why shouldn't Samsonov resume playing, and have a chance to start in the playoffs as well? If they let Kuzy back in, don't they have to have at least the appearance of "treating Samsonov equally?"
Our goaltending in the playoffs is going to be a total unknown. I fully expect that we will see both goalies as the playoffs progress. Maybe the choice between the two should be made on the basis of "which goalie would you rather have in reserve to come in if/when the playoff starter falters?" I think that may have been PRECISELY the thinking that went into choosing Grubauer over Holtby to start the playoffs in 2018.
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IMO, the only thing Sammy lost was his shot at a game 1 start. VV loses 1 game and I bet they switch. (Just doesn't seem like Lavi is looking for a #1 goalie. He's had plenty of opportunities to play either as the #1 and hasn't done it yet)
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The shitty thing is...they all but handed Sammy the #1 job on a gold platter this year and he has take every opportunity and totally blown it. Not exactly the kind of performance you want out of your Cup contender goalie.
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"Hey coach. What do you think about the status of Kuzy and Samsonov?"
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The shitty thing is...they all but handed Sammy the #1 job on a gold platter this year and he has take every opportunity and totally blown it. Not exactly the kind of performance you want out of your Cup contender goalie.
Yep, the first "flu protocol" absence pretty much set the tone.. I was leaning Sammy, but then last time he played he looked about like VV.. Stopped the ones he's supposed to and whiffed on anything A+.. There really isn't much difference in their performances this year, imo.. They both look good, but we'll need better then good to advance past anyone but possibly NYI.. Is what it is I guess.