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Round 1 Game 7: Series - Tied 3-3
Wed Apr 24, 2019 Carolina Hurricanes @ Washington Capitals
Place: Capital One Arena
Time: 7:30 p.m. ET
TV: NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360, TVAS, FS-CR
Radio: 106.7 The Fan, Caps Radio 24/7 (http://tunein.com/radio/Caps-Radio-247-s231201/)
NHL.COM (https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/2018030137) for Live Box Score
Last Game: Mon Apr 22 Capitals lost 5-2 against Hurricanes
Next Game: Caribbean Golf
| :spacer50pix: 8-Ovechkin | :spacer50pix: 19-Bäckström | :spacer50pix: 43-Wilson |
| :spacer50pix: 13-Vrana | :spacer50pix: 92-Kuznetsov | :spacer50pix: 62-Hagelin |
| :spacer50pix: 65-Burakovsky | :spacer50pix: 20-Eller | :spacer50pix: 10-Connolly |
| :spacer50pix: 18-Stephenson | :spacer50pix: 26-Dowd | :spacer50pix: 25-Smith-Pelly |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 34-Siegenthaler | :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 74-Carlson |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 9-Orlov | :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 2-Niskanen |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 44-Orpik | :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 3-Jensen |
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| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 70-Holtby (starter) |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 1-Copley |
-- SCRATCH --
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 23-Jaskin |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 72-Boyd |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 29-Djoos |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 35-Milner |
-- INJURED RESERVE --
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 6-Kempny |
| :spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix::spacer50pix: 77-Oshie (upper body) |
-- 1st Powerplay Unit --
| :spacer50pix: 92-Kuznetsov | :spacer50pix: 19-Bäckström | :spacer50pix: 43-Wilson |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 8-Ovechkin | :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 74-Carlson |
-- 2nd Powerplay Unit --
| :spacer50pix: 13-Vrana | :spacer50pix: 20-Eller | :spacer50pix: 10-Connolly |
| :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 2-Niskanen | :spacer50pix: :spacer50pix: 9-Orlov |
:spacer50pix: Referees: Marc Joannette (#25), Kevin Pollock (#33)
:spacer50pix: Linesmen: Mark Shewchyk (#92), Matt MacPherson (#83)
Hurricanes Projected LINEUP
21-Nino Niederreiter -- 20-Sebastian Aho -- 86-Teuvo Teravainen
23-Brock McGinn -- 11-Jordan Staal -- 14-Justin Williams
13-Warren Foegele -- 71-Lucas Wallmark -- 48-Jordan Martinook
8-Saku Maenalanen -- 42-Greg McKegg -- 36-Patrick Brown
74-Jaccob Slavin -- 19-Dougie Hamilton
22-Brett Pesce -- 27-Justin Faulk
44-Calvin de Haan -- 57-Trevor van Riemsdyk
34-Petr Mrazek (Starter)
35-Curtis McElhinney
Scratched: 4-Haydn Fleury
Injured: 79-Micheal Ferland, 37-Andrei Svechnikov (GR8 KO)
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1st Period
02:13 GOAL 65-Burakovsky, unassited 1-0 WSH
06:23 GOAL 43-Wilson, assists 8-Ovechkin & 9-Orlov 2-0 WSH
2nd Period
09:51 CANES SH GOAL Aho, assists Pesce & Slavin 2-1 WSH
13:22 GOAL 92-Kuznetsov, assist 62-Hagelin 3-1 WSH
16:37 CANES GOAL Teravainen, assists Pesce & McGinn 3-2 WSH
3rd Period
02:56 CANES GOAL Stall, assist Slavin 3-3 TIE
OT
None
2OT
11:05 GOAL McGinn, assists Williams & Slavin 4-3 CAR
FINAL: 4-3 CAR
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By Ian Oland April 24, 2019 10:30 am
Signs for Game Seven: Do it for Osh. Do it for Kemps.
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Headline photo: @Capitals
The Washington Capitals’ season will be on the brink Wednesday night. Win Game Seven and the Caps advance to the second round for the fifth consecutive year. Lose and go home; the Caps’ quest to go back-to-back will end two months prematurely. We’ll all be heartbroken.
Undoubtedly, Caps fans, you guys, are going to bring the noise and be a force to be reckoned with throughout the game. You’re going to give the players energy to help them make that one extra play. Capital One Arena is going to be shaking.
But before all that anxiety-ridden, uh, fun happens, we should give the players a little extra motivation during warmups and honor two banged up hockey warriors for their sacrifice. Let’s celebrate the two Caps that were injured down the stretch and cannot play tonight.
Let’s win Game Seven for TJ Oshie and Michal Kempny. Let’s do it for Osh. Let’s do it for Kemps.
Earlier in the season, former Capital Jay Beagle was moved to tears during and after his homecoming game in DC. Beags said in the weeks heading into the game that he loved looking at the signs during warmups, but no one made him any. So we made some printable signs, and you guys made some creative ones of your own. And during warmups that night, you created a powerful visual and an emotional moment where all there was along the glass were Beagle signs.
Tonight is another opportunity.
TJ Oshie was likely lost for the postseason after being boarded by Warren Foegele and breaking his collarbone. That devastating injury robbed the Capitals’ of their second-leading goalscorer and the “heart-and-soul” of their team. Oshie is currently in a sling.
During last year’s championship parade, Oshie was the first guy who started a back-to-back chant. If the Caps are going to do it, they’ll have to do it without him.
In March, Michal Kempny, the 2018 trade deadline hero that stabilize the Capitals defense corps, was lost for the season. Kempny was drug down to the ice awkwardly by Cedric Paquette in an unnecessary play, tearing his left hamstring in the process.
Kempny was sitting on the Capitals bench at practice Tuesday. He’s on crutches.
Beyond cheering, the most powerful things you can do as a fan is to remember and acknowledge. When the Capitals take the ice for Game Seven, they will do so without their full roster. Show TJ Oshie and Michal Kempny you haven’t forgotten about them. Remind the Caps there’s two guys that really want another win.
Show the hockey world that we’re all in this together and we’re the best f*cking fans in hockey.
Let’s have another legendary night in another legendary year.
Let’s go Caps.
Design and signs by Cara Bahniuk
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AJ Says DO IT FOR THE FANS!!!! and YOUR SELF RESPECT!
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All or nothing..
Let’s GO CAPS!
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We got this.
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Let's GO CAPS!
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GO CAPS!!!
Play like your season depends on it! ...well...er...um....
JUST BRING IT!!!!
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the game is on 106.7 tonight, since the Nats just blew it in Colorado
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:wackysmile: Just waitin around for the inevitable.. :raised-eyebrow:
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:wackysmile: Just waitin around for the inevitable.. :raised-eyebrow:
The roller coaster ride?
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:wackysmile: Just waitin around for the inevitable.. :raised-eyebrow:
Could be worse...you could be forced to go to your kids' "fine arts" presentation including a "human video" at 7PM :'(
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No chance.
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Could be worse...you could be forced to go to your kids' "fine arts" presentation including a "human video" at 7PM :'(
Oh damn! Yea, you got me there.. :rofl:
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the game is on 106.7 tonight, since the Nats just blew it in Colorado
I was surprised. Surely there is some NFL draft coverage we need.
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JoeB facebooked that he, Locker, May and Smokin Al have the call on NBC SN.. Hope it's national!! :hearts:
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I can't believe Oshie was walking around today after having broken his clavicle. I couldn't even breathe without intense pain for weeks after I broke mine. Must have had it bolted back together with titanium.
I wish we had won last game. I did not want to have to watch a game tonight. All I have to say is we better win.
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JoeB facebooked that he, Locker, May and Smokin Al have the call on NBC SN.. Hope it's national!! :hearts:
Unfortunately, that is not the case. NBC has another crew for the national broadcast.
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Kuznetsov stil play for the Caps? Asking for a friend.. :snicker: Had to get that outta the way.
Now, LETS GO!!
Unfortunately, that is not the case. NBC has another crew for the national broadcast.
Yep.. :-(
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Morning all.
Squeaky bum time. AGAIN.
:-|
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Atta boy Burt! :clap:
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That looked like a Kuzy move all the way.
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Well Bear's showed up..... :uh-huh:
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Goon Alert!! :clap:
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Great play/goal :clap:
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:clap: :clap:
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Wow! WAsn't expecting that! 8-0 What a start. 8)
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Ovi! Moves! Go Tommy!
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Now, make sure we don’t take any five minute Penalties!
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WTF, that Willy goal post did not post on the first try. FFS! 2-0 Woohoo!!
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That was a badass goal by Wille and Ovie!
The look in Marzaks face about said it all
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Hold fast. Don’t let up. Keep the hammer down. [insert favorite cliche here].
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had some extra spiced orange beef right as the game started, I'm still perspiring
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how did that not go in
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I'd say OV has something to prove tonight after the bs calls last game
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had some extra spiced orange beef right as the game started, I'm still perspiring
Hehe. I just had Thai Panang Shrimp 3 *** spicy (out of 4). My Hungarian half. My Dad had #4 and he's burning up and soaked.
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I can't believe Oshie was walking around today after having broken his clavicle. I couldn't even breathe without intense pain for weeks after I broke mine. Must have had it bolted back together with titanium.
I wish we had won last game. I did not want to have to watch a game tonight. All I have to say is we better win.
I am sure he thinks he can make it back on the ice for the Stanley Cup finals if we keep going to seven games.
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Little slow on the whistle there.
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this team NEEDS a PPG
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Nice moves and pass by Ziggy.
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Holy shit. Penis McGuire just had a Caps love fest spot.
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It’s oddly fitting that Carolina has a player named WalMart.
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Dammit Hagelin is starting to make me not hate him.
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Dammit Hagelin is starting to make me not hate him.
He did that to me in less than a game.
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I'll have 40 more of that, please! :wackysmile:
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We need to keep pressure, with wo goal deficit everything can be turn around quickly.
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I'll be most worried with a three goal lead.
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. . . Can they find anything else to put an ad on?
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:O=
Stupid as fuck!!!
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Can we just forfeit the fucking PP's.. :poop:
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F ME!
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Rut Roh
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where's the bird???
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Officiating has been....about as bad as it always is...
We need to build off this 2nd period. (Now) having 4 goals scored total in the 2nd is alarming to say the least
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where's the bird???
He only got about 2 flaps...but the bird was flown :)
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Really glad for tweetypie! :wackysmile:
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:O=
FFS. 714
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8mil . .
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$8,000,000 man
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So many missed calls by the refs! Blood on the ice and no call. :poop: :poop: :poop:
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For Christ’s sake will they just get rid of the concourse cam?
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We should have had this game buried by the 10 minute mark of the second period -- should have been 4-0 or better. We should decline all PPs. Did the coaching staff do ANYTHING to change up the entries? Answer -- not a fucking thing. If you can't skate it in you throw it cross corner and time it with Willy or Vrana skating in so that they are first to the puck. Both goals we gave up were because we were not strong on our sticks. Making this WAY more difficult than it should be. Hockey gods can be unkind so you can't leave it to the potential for a skate deflection at the end of the day.
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It doesn't look very good, just one goal ahead.
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Make that tied
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OH COME ON!!!!!!!!!!! :headbang: :stirringupshit: :stupid: :angry: :crying:
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:'(
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Good god, they made that look easy. What kind of angle was that from Holtby
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:O=
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Holts has been good but that was just awful. The whole team is playing scared.
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I will be very surprised if we'll win this game.
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Ugh. We are playing like crap.
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THis is so painfull to watch.
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FFS OT. Really?
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Jesus Christ .
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positive thoughts everyone, except you kit
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GOOD teams don't let a series go to game 7. GOOD teams don't give up 2 2-goal leads and then go to the OT puck luck battle where something off someone's skate gets you picking tee times.
This WAS a good team but once Kempny went down we became an average team. And once TJ went down we became pedestrian because we don't have the one guy on the team who works hard all the time. Eller has tried to fill that role but too many guys are playing scared. Vrana is a fucking joke. If you dug a hole for ice fishing he'd be the first one in to hide. He's been non-existent the entire series.
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If we can get another Brooks Orpik miracle then perhaps we can get our shit together, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Not good enough.. :poop: Two 1 goal leads last game, two 2 goal leads tonight.. Lame. :uh-huh:
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I don't feel good about this at all. I've seen this play way too many times over the years. The Caps get shit in their necks in Game 7's at home. They could have ended the game early if they'd just kept up the aggressive attack but Rierden wants to play defense instead. I won't be surprised if they lose and it could be early on as I expect Carolina will go all out to score as quickly as possible. On another note, Holtby has been weak on all three goals. Not his best effort by a long shot.
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GO CAPS
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:genuflect:
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Shot on goal might be good? lol
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My links cut out.
Not usually a good sign. :-|
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They look like the bad news bears.. :huh:
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How was that NOT a penalty on hagelin 😱😱😱😱
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Looking pretty spent. Nothing left in the tank.
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The not so mighty ducklings. :P
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How was that NOT a penalty on hagelin 😱😱😱😱
After seeing the replay....good sell by mrazek
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Swapping sides in ot is dumb....anyone know when that started
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They need to put us out of our misery..
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I'm just numb now. I just want it to be over. :-|
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I'm just numb now. I just want it to be over. :-|
we still can win
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Rierden needs to seriously consider throwing the towel.. Boys look ready to play golf and relax for the summer..
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We are playing with house money. Should have already lost.
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I'm just numb now. I just want it to be over. :-|
I can barely watch, much less type.
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Damn lucky it's not over already. Our big accomplishment that period was getting the puck out of zone and changing lines. Everybody looks spent except maybe Eller, Burakovsky, Wilson and Kuz.. Ovie was a mad man for the first period and a half but is much less visible now. This game was lost, if we lose, in the first period by not finishing off Carolina then. You never let a team off the ropes when they're ready to hit the canvas.
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ok, GMBM needs to find a way to not let TR do anymore interviews. He sounded like a guy that doesn't know he has a nut sack
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Is Vrana playing?
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ok, GMBM needs to find a way to not let TR do anymore interviews. He sounded like a guy that doesn't know he has a nut sack
He's been totally outcoached by Brindamour. He's really fairly useless, like we don't have a coach.
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He's been totally outcoached by Brindamour. He's really fairly useless, like we don't have a coach.
This team with multiple 20 goal scorers suppose to better.
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I hope not SH
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The ghosts of stanley cup past.. :snicker: Sleep walking. :yawn:
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I'm starting to have flashbacks of playoff games against the Islanders
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We are playing to survive, not to win, FFS!
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Let's GO CAPS!!!
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Chug some 5 hour energy drink.
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fukin choke
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Oh well, fun season defending the cup.. They need to find something in the offseason cause these guys look too fat and happy with the 1 cup.
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Well done for this season.
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:suicide:
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The better coached, faster, hungrier team won. The Caps are happy with their one cup. Maybe they'll get another in 43 years.
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Well fuck. Carolina outplayed us in both OT periods. They earned it. We blew it.
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Unbelievable and pathetic. Will be worse when the Islanders sweep Carolina and show them for what they are.
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Well, they tarnished the fuck out of that Cup win. 2 overtimes and looked like they didn't give a rat's ass.
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Hope Ted is happy with the money he saved on not signing Trotz. Now who is so god damn smart?
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fukin choke
Old Caps are back.
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Oh yeah, fire Rierdon.
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It was painful to watch, blew it.
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What happened to "We not be suck"?
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Unbelievable and pathetic. Will be worse when the Islanders sweep Carolina and show them for what they are.
Yep. 4-5 games and Carolina will be done.
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Hope Ted is happy with the money he saved on not signing Trotz. Now who is so god damn smart?
Exactly. You can't replace the 4th winningest coach in NHL history with a bag of potatoes.
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They wanted it more. That was obvious. Canes fought harder.
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I was pretty sure we were toast about 5 minutes into first overtime. Did not even really watch the second one. Was watching The Orville with my Dad with a glance occasionally at the game playing silently on my tablet. We really did not seem to give a fuck.
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Caps have played in 48 series and have never swept all their home games. We kept that intact tonight.
Justin Williams is 8-1 in Games 7's. The one loss was with the Caps. What a surprise.
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What happened to "We not be suck"?
This was worst team for the last four years.
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From last game..
Lets see: 1st goal has won every game (x)
Caps have closed out every chance they got (x)
Home team hasn't lost (X) :-\
Done deal.. :poop: Catch you guys from time to time during the offseason! Good health and happy thoughts!! :hearts:
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Night night my friends. Too exhausted to pick this to bits. :yawn:
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Night night my friends. Too exhausted to pick this to bits. :yawn:
Good night everyone. Good night Lil.
ʞƆ∀q O┴ ʞƆ∀q
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Done deal.. :poop: Catch you guys from time to time during the offseason! Good health and happy thoughts!! :hearts:
Thanks! We need some rebuild and better coaching. Have a good summer!
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Good night everyone. Good night Lil.
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Good night!
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Shot their wad in the first period and when it was only 2-0 it was clear we were in trouble. Then you compound that by giving it a lot the first 10 of the second and all you have to show for it is giving up a shortie. That is gonna fuck you every time. Vrana was worthless -- fitting he hit the post when he could have won the game. Niskanen and Orlov were fighting to see who could cough the puck up more. Just flat out ugly and embarrassing way to end the season.
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Well that sucked. Caps just looked old and tired in OT.
Should have....could have...would have...
That’s why you don’t want game 7....and overtime in a game 7
This game is on the whole team but Holtby let in Two softies. Can’t do that in a game 7.
Caps really did look gassed in OT
Can’t believe how much trouble we have clearing the puck. Had that problem all year and got worse when Kempney got hurt.
Trots is probably disappointed he’s not going to get to embarrass us.
Give up (2) 2 goal leads :raised-eyebrow:
Got what they deserved. Canes outworked them. Caps looked tired and out of sync after 2 period. How many ducking times did we ice the puck?
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Good thing I was under anesthesia when that happened
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1st Period
02:13 GOAL 65-Burakovsky, unassited 1-0 WSH
06:23 GOAL 43-Wilson, assists 8-Ovechkin & 9-Orlov 2-0 WSH
2nd Period
09:51 CANES SH GOAL Aho, assists Pesce & Slavin 2-1 WSH
13:22 GOAL 92-Kuznetsov, assist 62-Hagelin 3-1 WSH
16:37 CANES GOAL Teravainen, assists Pesce & McGinn 3-2 WSH
3rd Period
02:56 CANES GOAL Stall, assist Slavin 3-3 TIE
OT
None
2OT
11:05 GOAL McGinn, assists Williams & Slavin 4-3 CAR
FINAL: 4-3 CAR
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What a disappointment,especially after leading in this series 3-2 against huge underdog and having great chances to repeat a last season success when TB,pens,VGK were eliminated ..
No excuse for this awful loss , Rierdon must be fired as soon as possible!
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You guy are hilarious. Yes, it sucks, but they tarnished the cup? They are fat and happy? Give me a break. They lost...... It happens to every team, but one every year. We lost Kemp before the playoffs started and Oshie during them. Should they have still overcome? Yes, with their talent they should have, but they didn't. They have some issues to address in the off-season and hopefully they do and come back stronger next year.
I guess VGK are garbage too?
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You guy are hilarious. Yes, it sucks, but they tarnished the cup? They are fat and happy? Give me a break. They lost...... It happens to every team, but one every year. We lost Kemp before the playoffs started and Oshie during them. Should they have still overcome? Yes, with their talent they should have, but they didn't. They have some issues to address in the off-season and hopefully they do and come back stronger next year.
I guess VGK are garbage too?
Talent yes, but we don’t have the strength or work ethic. Canes played us tighter and tougher than any team we played last year, and the majority of the team could not match, let alone defeat that. Hell up 2-0 in the first in a game 7, and they let the momentum get absolutely flipped on them.
Sure, Holtby May have wanted one or two back, but has usual, there where about 10 that most goalies would of let in. . . Not like Fluery who had one of his mental break-downs and allowed 4 after a questionable major penalty to loose a game 7
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Talent yes, but we don’t have the strength or work ethic. Canes played us tighter and tougher than any team we played last year, and the majority of the team could not match, let alone defeat that. Hell up 2-0 in the first in a game 7, and they let the momentum get absolutely flipped on them.
Sure, Holtby May have wanted one or two back, but has usual, there where about 10 that most goalies would of let in. . . Not like Fluery who had one of his mental break-downs and allowed 4 after a questionable major penalty to loose a game 7
You make reasonable points, but You honestly believe that most goalies in the NHL would have allowed 10+ goals that Holtby didn't?
Also, my post was more directed at the "players don't care since they won last year" and "the cup win is tainted now"... .. Really? I mean really? That's just pure overreaction due to being upset they lost.
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You make reasonable points, but You honestly believe that most goalies in the NHL would have allowed 10+ goals that Holtby didn't?
Also, my post was more directed at the "players don't care since they won last year" and "the cup win is tainted now"... .. Really? I mean really? That's just pure overreaction due to being upset they lost.
There abouts/sarcastic exaggeration. My point was/continues that due to mess of D, lack of defensive
forwards, and pond hockey system, Holtby has to do way more than other goalies in the league. This results in generally making several “highlight reel” saves a game look routine, and any “softies” look worse.
As for players/out in the first round, everyone has a point. but it can be summed up with: over confidence. Everyone, including myself, thought we had this series before the
puck dropped in Game 1, and when we went up 2-0 in Game 7. Yet, the Canes proved us wrong.
Ironically enough, this was assuredly how The Hens and TBL felt last year.
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I do NOT believe that the "Players do not care". I am sure they are more devastated they we are. I don't see any tarnish of the Cup or fat and happy players. However, we should have won this series. Caps simply did not put forth the effort they did last year (and not that I think that is possible ALL the time). I don't think it was intent or lack of desire, just didn't/couldn't muster the effort needed to win. Maybe it's purely fatigue, maybe coaching, maybe just the couple key guys lost. Lots of little chances here and there where games or series are decided. Last year the effort/hunger was more evident and we overcame (or got the luck) to make the difference multiple times. How many times were we "almost" eliminated last year? How many OT games did we win that could have gone the other way? How many game saving saves were made, and lucky bounces went our way? How many different guys (who normally do not), made a HUGE difference last year? The Caps were magical in the playoffs last year. For the most part, that was missing this year. If Kuzy had been 10% better and Vranna had scored only ONE goal, then.....If only....BUT....blah, blah, blah.
Last night we had a few chances in OT to win it. Wilson "almost" put one in, but it was swept away. Vranna hit the post, etc. I hated the whole OT, because I felt it was inevitable that the Canes would eventually score. I just hoped we would get a bounce and score first. Maybe that's just years of Cap fandom bias, but I just didn't feel we had it last night or this year. The Canes outworked us in OT. The Caps looked like they were just hanging on....like they were playing for a tie. They simply looked gassed, like they had nothing left...and maybe that was simply true. I kept thinking that MAYBE we'd get a bounce, but if we won, how tired and spent we would be for a game Friday, and what a miserable showing that would be.
Caps spent SO much time in our own zone not being able to clear the puck. So many icing calls. They just couldn't get it together. Canes got some bounces and took advantage. They wore us down and kept playing and playing and playing, and eventually the puck went in for them. Congrats to the Canes, long time coming for them.
Disappointing for and disappointed in the Caps, but also not surprised. I have never felt like we "had it" this year. Too many little weaknesses to overcome for the grand prize. Kempney was catostrophic, Oshie was probably the last nail in the coffin. New head coach was definitely a question mark. I was not /am not bitter, just a somewhat realistic. Maybe it hurts less this year cause I felt it coming or maybe cause we did win the ultimate prize last year. The Caps used up all their stores of lucky bounces and hockey Gods debt last year. They had the magic last year.
Better luck next year (how long have we been saying that as Cap fans :-\ )
Oh, and ...they changed the chant last night after the game....from "Back to Back" to "Back to Golf"
Go Caps...[size=78%](next year)[/size]
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I knew they should've gotten another Dman at the deadline. Not having Kemney made that obvious. I suppose there is still hope that Carlson lives up to his contract. There just might be reason to keep Orpik one more year. DSP looked good for two games. The offseason will be interesting.
At least they didn't get swept like some other team did
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So not to rub salt about the season being over, but...
What moves would you like to see and what moves do you think the Caps can actually accomplish in the off season? Lots of work to do with many contracts up. With all the BIG inflated contracts this team has, we need some serviceable bargain guys:
These guys are UFA's:
Connolly - I'd keep for same money, but think he'll get more elsewhere, and wouldn't really hurt me to see him go.
Hagelin - I like his play, and would like to have him but doubt Caps can swing the $$$. Thought he was a great pickup this year for our...."run"
Smith Pelly - Meh. For bargain $$$ only, Physical but that's about it (which we surely need)
Orpik - Really not sure on this. He is old and so slow, but for $1m, He is probably worth that in Hits and leadership. I'd probably keep him for a bargain backup, although I thought Ziggy showed promise this year. I doubt Orpik really wants to go elsewhere at this point, maybe just retires.
These guys are RFA's:
Vranna - Got to sign him....and hopefully not contracts like Dylan and Orlof. Vranna needs to be one of the Cap's hopes for the future.
Burka - So long, farewell, adieu, adieu, adieu. I've been done with him for years. Shows promise, but not worth big dollar risk.
Djoos - So long, farewell.... Just not big enough for the NHL. (Ziggy needs some more seasoning and now is the time)
Stephenson - I'd keep on the cheap.
Jaskin - I like him for bargain $$, but never really got a shot here. Caps just don't seem to like him
We do have Boyd under contract (another year I think) and I like him. Not sure why he went to the doghouse in the playoffs.
BTW - I love the Jensen contract. 4 years at 2.5m is a steal for him. He is probably the best move Caps made in recent history. Much needed stable D and very mobile and good puck mover. I don't think the Caps make the playoffs without him this past year.
I really don;t see the Caps having the funds to make any real moves in the off season unless they manage a trade of a big contract, but who'd that be?
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So not to rub salt about the season being over, but...
What moves would you like to see and what moves do you think the Caps can actually accomplish in the off season? Lots of work to do with many contracts up. With all the BIG inflated contracts this team has, we need some serviceable bargain guys:
These guys are UFA's:
Connolly - I'd keep for same money, but think he'll get more elsewhere, and wouldn't really hurt me to see him go.
Hagelin - I like his play, and would like to have him but doubt Caps can swing the $$$. Thought he was a great pickup this year for our...."run"
Smith Pelly - Meh. For bargain $$$ only, Physical but that's about it (which we surely need)
Orpik - Really not sure on this. He is old and so slow, but for $1m, He is probably worth that in Hits and leadership. I'd probably keep him for a bargain backup, although I thought Ziggy showed promise this year. I doubt Orpik really wants to go elsewhere at this point, maybe just retires.
These guys are RFA's:
Vranna - Got to sign him....and hopefully not contracts like Dylan and Orlof. Vranna needs to be one of the Cap's hopes for the future.
Burka - So long, farewell, adieu, adieu, adieu. I've been done with him for years. Shows promise, but not worth big dollar risk.
Djoos - So long, farewell.... Just not big enough for the NHL. (Ziggy needs some more seasoning and now is the time)
Stephenson - I'd keep on the cheap.
Jaskin - I like him for bargain $$, but never really got a shot here. Caps just don't seem to like him
We do have Boyd under contract (another year I think) and I like him. Not sure why he went to the doghouse in the playoffs.
BTW - I love the Jensen contract. 4 years at 2.5m is a steal for him. He is probably the best move Caps made in recent history. Much needed stable D and very mobile and good puck mover. I don't think the Caps make the playoffs without him this past year.
I really don;t see the Caps having the funds to make any real moves in the off season unless they manage a trade of a big contract, but who'd that be?
Given that it’s Monumental, you can assume to cross every one on that list except Bura, Connolly, and Vranna. The expect long term contracts that will put us walking the cap tightrope and having the highest payroll in the league for years to come (Wings have two big cap hits that aren’t playing which is why they’re higher).
The cap, the lengths of contracts, and depth lost in trades are gonna fuck us worse than a scene outta Oz
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So not to rub salt about the season being over, but...
What moves would you like to see and what moves do you think the Caps can actually accomplish in the off season? Lots of work to do with many contracts up. With all the BIG inflated contracts this team has, we need some serviceable bargain guys:
These guys are UFA's:
Connolly - I'd keep for same money, but think he'll get more elsewhere, and wouldn't really hurt me to see him go.
Hagelin - I like his play, and would like to have him but doubt Caps can swing the $$$. Thought he was a great pickup this year for our...."run"
Smith Pelly - Meh. For bargain $$$ only, Physical but that's about it (which we surely need)
Orpik - Really not sure on this. He is old and so slow, but for $1m, He is probably worth that in Hits and leadership. I'd probably keep him for a bargain backup, although I thought Ziggy showed promise this year. I doubt Orpik really wants to go elsewhere at this point, maybe just retires.
These guys are RFA's:
Vranna - Got to sign him....and hopefully not contracts like Dylan and Orlof. Vranna needs to be one of the Cap's hopes for the future.
Burka - So long, farewell, adieu, adieu, adieu. I've been done with him for years. Shows promise, but not worth big dollar risk.
Djoos - So long, farewell.... Just not big enough for the NHL. (Ziggy needs some more seasoning and now is the time)
Stephenson - I'd keep on the cheap.
Jaskin - I like him for bargain $$, but never really got a shot here. Caps just don't seem to like him
We do have Boyd under contract (another year I think) and I like him. Not sure why he went to the doghouse in the playoffs.
BTW - I love the Jensen contract. 4 years at 2.5m is a steal for him. He is probably the best move Caps made in recent history. Much needed stable D and very mobile and good puck mover. I don't think the Caps make the playoffs without him this past year.
I really don;t see the Caps having the funds to make any real moves in the off season unless they manage a trade of a big contract, but who'd that be?
save that thought, we will start that thread after the playoffs
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This was basically the same crew which won the Cup last year except for Beagle and Grubauer. The Kempny and Oshie injuries hurt but Carolina had injuries, too. Plus, we had a 2-0 lead in the series and then lost 4 of 5. That's 100% on Rierden. He isn't the answer either now or going forward. Regardless of whatever personnel moves are made, they need a guy behind the bench who knows what he's doing.
Speaking of losing a 2-0 series lead, the Caps have a long and miserable history of losing 2-0 and 3-1 series leads. I thought maybe winning a Cup would cure it but I guess not.
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This was basically the same crew which won the Cup last year except for Beagle and Grubauer. The Kempny and Oshie injuries hurt but Carolina had injuries, too. Plus, we had a 2-0 lead in the series and then lost 4 of 5. That's 100% on Rierden. He isn't the answer either now or going forward. Regardless of whatever personnel moves are made, they need a guy behind the bench who knows what he's doing.
Speaking of losing a 2-0 series lead, the Caps have a long and miserable history of losing 2-0 and 3-1 series leads. I thought maybe winning a Cup would cure it but I guess not.
Basically the same team, but with a Cup in hand, a new coach, and yet the history of previous years doesn’t change.
Assuredly Reidon won’t be fired unless they miss the playoffs, maybe twice. Firing him for anything less, would be terrible for Monumental as it would show their “chooses one” was a brutally wrong “choice”.
We need to accept that between Reidon and cap/current roster, there’s a very real possibility of the next couple years being very ugly.
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How could anyone come away from this series blaming Reirden?
We dominated several of the games we won, and the Canes looked like absolute SHIT for most of Game 7. Reirden was mixing line strategies and getting as much as he could. Did ya'll watch Game 7? You sure? You keep saying yes but I don't believe you, because if you did you could see by like halfway into that third period, our PLAYERS had ZERO gas tank. ZERO. None. Like "running on empty."
Explain to me how that is on the coach, in any way? "He didn't get them ready to play." Bullshit, if that was the case how come the Canes coach was quoted on the bench in the second of saying "we look like fucknig shit right now." The Caps lost this. Plain and simple. Not the coach, not on any individual player because while Holtby let in a weak goal to tie the game he was a stud for the rest of it. It was a team loss, as simple as that.
From my vantage, it wasn't even just that the Caps looked "content" from having won a Cup last season. They looked burnt out. We have played a lot of fucking hockey and it just felt like even when the Canes were struggling we didn't have the stamina to push it into another gear when we needed to, with the exception of a couple of shifts in their end that really looked like us trying to clamp down a few times. But defensively we were stellar last night, stellar. The shot blocks/structure was all over the place and it was a rather "odd" Game 7 in that it didn't really have the pace or intensity you usually expect.
If anything much of it just appeared like Todd was trying to get the most he could of a tired, depleted, team that after last season's success didn't have that extra drive it needed to counter it. Trotz here wouldn't of magically changed that imo.
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Getting beaten by Carolina in 7 games was not a surprise at all. Not one bit. And I don't think anyone else on the boards was surprised either.
The biggest problem this season was coaching, by a long shot. You could maybe point to roster, injuries, effort, etc. as part of the problem, but nothing comes close to coaching as being the culprit here.
You could argue that our roster could be better, but it is still largely the same as the one that won the Cup last year. Yeah we have some shitty contracts, and yeah not all players are the best option for us in their respective positions, but our roster isn't bad at all. There's talent there, moreso than a lot of other teams.
As for injuries, yeah we lost Kempny and Oshie, Carolina had some injuries too, and they started out with a less talented team to begin with.
I'm not ready to say effort was a problem in the playoffs either. In the regular season sure, when you could clearly see us playing down to the competition in games that didn't mean much. But everyone on the Caps knew how important these games were, and I'm sure gave it their best. They came out to a 2-0 series lead, but in the end they were just outcoached.
Management needs a reality check. Total Retard is not the answer, never was, never will be. He should have been fired midway through the season to make room for Coach Q. We should have realized that TR wasn't going to get us anywhere, and cutting bait to allow Coach Q time to integrate and set up his systems would have been the best bet. But instead we kept the retard around, and somehow our players managed to win enough games to get 4th in the league in spite of TR's efforts to drive our team 6 feet under. Even if we had the bounces go our way to beat Carolina, there's no way TR would have outcoached Trotz.
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Couldn't clear our zone - the power play was a joke - the sling shot is a waste of time. ZERO adjustments were made games 3-7. Same broken crap and it cost them.
That's on the coaching staff.
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How could anyone come away from this series blaming Reirden?
We dominated several of the games we won, and the Canes looked like absolute SHIT for most of Game 7. Reirden was mixing line strategies and getting as much as he could. Did ya'll watch Game 7? You sure? You keep saying yes but I don't believe you, because if you did you could see by like halfway into that third period, our PLAYERS had ZERO gas tank. ZERO. None. Like "running on empty."
Explain to me how that is on the coach, in any way?
Explain how the coach shares the blame? Sure, no problem.
- Terrible management of our D this season. Djoos was NEVER going to be the solution if we had a major injury. The kid weighs 9 pounds. Siegenthaler was waiver exempt all year, Orpik was out for 30 games. So why not use that time to develop an actual, all-situations LD for needed depth? Why waste that time on a kid that will ALWAYS need to be sheltered at the NHL level, especially in the playoffs? Look how well Siegenthaler played after just a few games. Imagine if he'd had 30 games at 3LD during the season instead.
- Terrible management of our D during this series. Reirden was so fixated on rotating D to shelter Djoos (and still managed to fail) that he failed to make effective adjustments to the rest of our lineup and gameplan to help us in the games we lost. So focused on micromanaging matchups and overthinking deployments that he had absolutely no answer for Carolina when they took over a game. In 4 losses we showed zero ability to overcome what was working for the Canes. And for what? Our best defensemen logging minutes on his weak side? Starting a D that you only play for 5 minutes because he can't be trusted? Genius.
- You're blind if you missed how poorly he coached Game 7. We had last change, a better and deeper lineup, and Carolina was gassing their top pair trying to match with us. And yet for some reason Reirden spent the last half of the game and most of overtime shuffling lines, destroying the chemistry that had worked for us up to that point. He had us chipping pucks we had in our possession so that he could get better matchups on the ice CONSTANTLY.
I'll put that in bold again so you don't miss it: He had us routinely surrendering possession to our opponents so we could adjust to a team WE WERE BEATING BY 2 GOALS. Why adjust to their game when playing OUR game had us up 2?
- Absolutely moronic with the short bench in OT. DSP was solid for us the last couple games and huge last postseason, but didn't play at all in OT. Dowd had been clutch for us on three separate occasions very recently and was one of our best faceoff guys, but didn't play at all in OT. Those two guys logged 8 minutes each in a game that ran over 90 minutes. We were totally gassed from the start of OT until the losing goal. Neither of those guys are defensive liabilities, both have shown an ability to come through in the clutch. So why did they sit? What exactly were we sheltering? Our guys couldn't make rushes up ice they were so spent, but we had 2 good players on the bench THAT DIDN'T PLAY AT ALL IN OVERTIME. Ridiculously awful game management.
What game were you watching? I thought this was the Caps/Canes Game 7 thread. :P
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Oh, and not hitting Forsythe with a shovel for the PP struggles with the slingshot and zone entries. That's been a problem FOREVER and the coach has done nothing about it.
We had some other issues, sure. But Reirden was just as bad as anyone. He and Kuzy share my #1 spot for people to blame for atrocious performance. They were both terrible at their jobs.
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Just because I say that I didn't come out of that game/series blaming Reirden doesn't mean I'm somehow justifying mistakes he made in the series and/or during the season. Reirden simply isn't the reason we lost that series, especially that Game 7, imo.
I also don't see how bringing up regular season points here is relevant. Again, just because I disagree with the assertation that Reirden "cost us the game/series" doesn't mean I'm "defending" or taking a side. It's a thing called nuance, it exists.
Any coach you put behind the Caps bench in the Game 7 I saw last night doesn't change the result. I stand by that. The collective team of the Washingon Capitals did not have enough in the tank to win that game. I saw a coach (Reidren) who was shuffling lines not just to try to get chemistry, but to try to find any killer instinct/extra effort up and down the line up and what we saw was a team that other than in bursts was just trying to rag the clock most of the game. Even when we were playing better than Carolina in the the first and most of the second, we did so because Carolina themselves were playing panicked/rushed and in general just inexperienced hockey. Almost all of our goals/good shifts come from bursts of individual effort from players known for ramping up and working hard. Like Wilson, or our third line which was our best line last night bar none. But it was all still about bursts of energy, every thing in that game was. Structure wasn't gone, it wasn't like our forwards weren't back checking. We didn't give up a godly amount of odd man rushes. We simply were turning the puck over in our own end and not going after it. All the time.
On the far wall we had high wingers (Ovechkin for some of it) just watch the Canes cycle and that started happening late in the second and was beginning to persist for much of the third. All the coaching in the world will never change the fact that once we got to Game 7, it was clear our boys only had the hustle to make it a regular season game. So they took their lead and hung on for dear life. Trotz would of done (and has done with our group as coach previously) the same thing there. Any coach would of. Anyone with a brain saw that even if you throw the 4th line out more minutes from defense on up to forward we maybe had 5 players after the second period who had any real gas left in the tank to make anything other than zone defense happen. We were so tired. Like it can not be understated because IT IS absolutely the reason we lost a game we lead in.
That said analyzing and picking apart specific performances is still all fine and dandy. Kuzy wasn't the stud he should of been, protecting Djoo's was a mistake, we needed more PP adjustments. One can agree with all of this and still accept the reality that our boys emptied their tanks this season/playoffs and following last seasons emotional win didn't and wouldn't of had enough.
As for changes/alterations going forward, for me it's too early at least on the coaching staff front. I absolutely think we need to make more PP adjustments and I do think it starts with personnel because rotating that same top group allows them to get comfortable in a way that doesn't work. If Kuzy isn't willing to dump it on the playoffs on the PP then he can sit. Put Eller out there. Forysthe also has to go back to the drawing board a bit, our set up and variation once we set up is great. But if a team is going to pressure to prevent the set up we need to find ways to either adapt to that or counter it to force a set up.
Reirden specifically, way too early to judge for me. He made mistakes in the regular season and playoffs but like I said I don't think any other coach would of gotten much more this season in general out of our team. For me I have to see another season before I make the judgement on him one way or the other.
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Game 7 Double OT, Stevenson, Dowd, and DSP where under 10min TOI. Hurricanes had one player play 10 or under: a rookie who hasn’t played 40 total games. .
As Kaz said, Reidon TOTALLY fucked up last change and all matchup and adjustments
advantages he had. Rather Reidon is stubborn, arrogant, or just following Monumental and/or the players orders, who knows. But if the goal was to get a player and “fan friendly” coach, they got it alright. . . but they if they wanted a winning coach, . . . They got screwed by the pooch full doggie style and got a donkey punch
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Kaz - very good couple of posts. My 4 points:
1. Caps don’t have enough guys with the absolute burning desire to win. Guys that refuse to lose.
2. Kuzy was the number 1 disappointment for the regular season and the playoffs. He needs a hardass coach that will bench him when he doesn’t shoot or doesn’t give the effort.
3. Worst coaching was for special teams. It was obvious to everyone that our PP was a one-trick pony and our slingshot and entry into the zone was embarrassing. Forsyth needs to go.
4. Our defense needs to be totally revamped to get more size and physicality and be coached to stop trying to clear the zone by staying on the boards every single time.
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Kaz - very good couple of posts. My 4 points:
1. Caps don’t have enough guys with the absolute burning desire to win. Guys that refuse to lose.
2. Kuzy was the number 1 disappointment for the regular season and the playoffs. He needs a hardass coach that will bench him when he doesn’t shoot or doesn’t give the effort.
3. Worst coaching was for special teams. It was obvious to everyone that our PP was a one-trick pony and our slingshot and entry into the zone was embarrassing. Forsyth needs to go.
4. Our defense needs to be totally revamped to get more size and physicality and be coached to stop trying to clear the zone by staying on the boards every single time.
Agreed.
Just note the relation between 2 and 4 and how much 7+ mil, with 10k of cap space, could go to revamping the D
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Oh, and not hitting Forsythe with a shovel for the PP struggles with the slingshot and zone entries. That's been a problem FOREVER and the coach has done nothing about it.
We had some other issues, sure. But Reirden was just as bad as anyone. He and Kuzy share my #1 spot for people to blame for atrocious performance. They were both terrible at their jobs.
^5 sir!
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Kaz - very good couple of posts. My 4 points:
1. Caps don’t have enough guys with the absolute burning desire to win. Guys that refuse to lose.
2. Kuzy was the number 1 disappointment for the regular season and the playoffs. He needs a hardass coach that will bench him when he doesn’t shoot or doesn’t give the effort.
3. Worst coaching was for special teams. It was obvious to everyone that our PP was a one-trick pony and our slingshot and entry into the zone was embarrassing. Forsyth needs to go.
4. Our defense needs to be totally revamped to get more size and physicality and be coached to stop trying to clear the zone by staying on the boards every single time.
Hey Beags!
Very wise and well worded post!
Your point #1, saying they didn’t have enough guys with the burning desire....Excellent! It only takes a few guys, with smoldering efforts, to gradually quench the burn in others, within the multiple shift changes, and slowly diminishing RESULTS, that will naturally follow!
We absolutely have a few players, whose attitudes and effort levels are very FICKLE!!
This is the perfect word to describe this phenomenon, that occurs so OBVIOUSLY, in a few of the same guys, (this fickleness), and yet....
In a different group of just a few players, their attitudes and effort levels, are always turned on with “burning desire”!
Then we have the rest of the guys, (the majority), where being classsified into one, or the other, mentioned above, isn’t so obvious.... neither reliably giving it all, nearly all the time, NOR, predominantly lacking in effort, most of the time.
BUT.....we surely know the few names of those that “stick out”, as ALWAYS up and down, (fickle), with attitiude and effort level, and those other few that are “always burning”!
I use FICKLE, because it can imply INTENT, of the player, both good or bad!
Here they are then:
The obviously FICKLE: (with their effort levels), in no order.
1. KUZY
2. VRANA
3. BURA
4. OVI, (maybe excused by his production, etc., but still true)
5. BACKY (hard not to like him, but still true)
6. CARLSON
The obvious 100% effort givers:
1. OSHIE
2. ELLER
3. HAGELIN
4. KEMPNY
5. DOWD
6. JENSEN?
7. WILSON?
8. BEAGLE-(just for sentimental reasons)!
Also Beags, points #2, 3, and 4. Very good, my friend!
I do also blame Rierden, and align more with Kaz’s perspective. He inherited good special teams, so with the overwhelming flatness on PP, showing from the start of the season, with no real tangible, or observable improvement, (unless you think going from abysmal, to below average qualifies), there should have been coaching changes, (Forsythe), or AT LEAST, rumblings of it, in the media, or something.
I have an issue with Rierden, passively giving cute little euphemisms, through the press, in an attempt to “soften” the focus, and significance, of the how these FICKLE effort levels AFFECT GAME OUTCOMES!!!
Attempting to avoid the TOUGH ISSUE, of having to DISCIPLINE some of the BIG NAMES!!
THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT IT.....By keeping the media at bay, with his softer, more vague tone, in his post game interviews....Rierden actually SUCCEEDED!!
And WE, the fans, witnessed ANOTHER low effort, R1, game 7, pathetic loss!! THATS IT, folks!!
NOW....back to the present. I say this just as strongly!
NOTHING, can put a stain on MY Stanley Cup experience! It is an already accomplished, PURE DEED, in and of itself!!
Only those who wish it to be tarnished, for them, and their memories of it, can actually WILL it to be done to themselves! If so, you have my sympathy.
Try to consider that our boys names, hand-engraved, on that majestic trophy, will not be melting away, off of the Cup’s face, like the Wicked Witch of the West, on the steps of OZ, due to this years playoff performance!
I hope your joyful experience of those great moments, stay solidly engraved in you, likewise!
I’m turning the page, people!!!👍
Thanks, Beags!
Rush
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One afterthought. (Oh, no)!
Brooks Orpik said it best, like the experienced PLAYOFF veteran he is!
He said, (I’m paraphrasing a bit, but damn close to verbatim), This was an elimination game 7. It’s do or die. You’re not allowed to be tired, gassed out or injured!
BE TIRED, OR INJURED, TOMORROW!! NOT ALLOWED TONITE!!
(You GO, Brooksie)!
Rush
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Hey Beags!
Very wise and well worded post!
Your point #1, saying they didn’t have enough guys with the burning desire....Excellent! It only takes a few guys, with smoldering efforts, to gradually quench the burn in others, within the multiple shift changes, and slowly diminishing RESULTS, that will naturally follow!
We absolutely have a few players, whose attitudes and effort levels are very FICKLE!!
This is the perfect word to describe this phenomenon, that occurs so OBVIOUSLY, in a few of the same guys, (this fickleness), and yet....
In a different group of just a few players, their attitudes and effort levels, are always turned on with “burning desire”!
Then we have the rest of the guys, (the majority), where being classsified into one, or the other, mentioned above, isn’t so obvious.... neither reliably giving it all, nearly all the time, NOR, predominantly lacking in effort, most of the time.
BUT.....we surely know the few names of those that “stick out”, as ALWAYS up and down, (fickle), with attitiude and effort level, and those other few that are “always burning”!
I use FICKLE, because it can imply INTENT, of the player, both good or bad!
Here they are then:
The obviously FICKLE: (with their effort levels), in no order.
1. KUZY
2. VRANA
3. BURA
4. OVI, (maybe excused by his production, etc., but still true)
5. BACKY (hard not to like him, but still true)
6. CARLSON
The obvious 100% effort givers:
1. OSHIE
2. ELLER
3. HAGELIN
4. KEMPNY
5. DOWD
6. JENSEN?
7. WILSON?
8. BEAGLE-(just for sentimental reasons)!
Also Beags, points #2, 3, and 4. Very good, my friend!
I do also blame Rierden, and align more with Kaz’s perspective. He inherited good special teams, so with the overwhelming flatness on PP, showing from the start of the season, with no real tangible, or observable improvement, (unless you think going from abysmal, to below average qualifies), there should have been coaching changes, (Forsythe), or AT LEAST, rumblings of it, in the media, or something.
I have an issue with Rierden, passively giving cute little euphemisms, through the press, in an attempt to “soften” the focus, and significance, of the how these FICKLE effort levels AFFECT GAME OUTCOMES!!!
Attempting to avoid the TOUGH ISSUE, of having to DISCIPLINE some of the BIG NAMES!!
THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT IT.....By keeping the media at bay, with his softer, more vague tone, in his post game interviews....Rierden actually SUCCEEDED!!
And WE, the fans, witnessed ANOTHER low effort, R1, game 7, pathetic loss!! THATS IT, folks!!
NOW....back to the present. I say this just as strongly!
NOTHING, can put a stain on MY Stanley Cup experience! It is an already accomplished, PURE DEED, in and of itself!!
Only those who wish it to be tarnished, for them, and their memories of it, can actually WILL it to be done to themselves! If so, you have my sympathy.
Try to consider that our boys names, hand-engraved, on that majestic trophy, will not be melting away, off of the Cup’s face, like the Wicked Witch of the West, on the steps of OZ, due to this years playoff performance!
I hope your joyful experience of those great moments, stay solidly engraved in you, likewise!
I’m turning the page, people!!!
Thanks, Beags!
Rush
Compare the salaries of the FICKLE group to the 100% Effort group. . Then look at the contract lengths too . . .
There’s a pretty good chance that we’ll be HATING the Carlson and Kuzy contracts sooner than later.
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Compare the salaries of the FICKLE group to the 100% Effort group. . Then look at the contract lengths too . . .
There’s a pretty good chance that we’ll be HATING the Carlson and Kuzy contracts sooner than later.
Good point DC!
Had how many are on our successful PP team, as well!
At least they’re working on perfecting that slingshot
Rush
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I seem to recall someone hating that Carlson contract from day one, and getting called names for it
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I seem to recall someone hating that Carlson contract from day one, and getting called names for it
Well, you, me . . 🤣
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I seem to recall someone hating that Carlson contract from day one, and getting called names for it
Carlson is tied for second for highest salary amount Dmen. He’s making the same as Bret Burns, Hedman, Suter, Karlsomo, D-Buff, Doughty, Ekblad and Weber. Add to that, he plays with a player who is typically amount the league leaders in goals, and on the PP that with said player who also is typically the league leader in PP goals.
To Macao’s point, he’s the best D we have, but his padded stats ain’t worth 8mil or being mentioned with above names.
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Carlson is tied for second for highest salary amount Dmen. He’s making the same as Bret Burns, Hedman, Suter, Karlsomo, D-Buff, Doughty, Ekblad and Weber. Add to that, he plays with a player who is typically amount the league leaders in goals, and on the PP that with said player who also is typically the league leader in PP goals.
To Macao’s point, he’s the best D we have, but his padded stats ain’t worth 8mil or being mentioned with above names.
I agree. I like Carlson to the extent that he's our "best defensemen" and I like him to the extent that he puts up points, logs minutes, and I like him to the extent that getting rid of him would create a large hole that isn't easy or cheap to fix.
But he's absolutely not worth that price. I'd put him at maybe $6-6.5 million MAX. He's absolutely not worthy of being mentioned with the names above, and he's not worthy of being mentioned as a Norris candidate. He's a guy who we need unless there's a clearly better/cheaper option available, but his contract will handcuff us for a while, ESPECIALLY when we end up paying $8 million a year for his early-mid 30s. Granted, not nearly as bad as the Laich or Erat or even Orpik at $5 million contracts, but we definitely overpaid.
But he's ours for the time being. So here's hoping that he'll actually get better, or at the very fucking least feel like $8 million a year is enough money to bother learning how to feed Ovi on the PP properly...
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after watching Carlson extream lack of physicality against the Canes, I hope he breaks something that ends his career. It's the best possible outcome for both parties, Dylan and management
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after watching Carlson extream lack of physicality against the Canes, I hope he breaks something that ends his career. It's the best possible outcome for both parties, Dylan and management
I’d agree, but. . . he’d be an 8mil cap hit until the contracts up
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I don’t consider Carlson our best Dman at all, IF, that letter “D” stands for Defense. Lo, and behold, it actually DOES stand for DEFENSE!!
He’s not even close, in defensive skills, as our BEST D man!
Now, putting salaries aside, you can say that amongst ALL of our Dmen, he may be considered the one with the most overall value to the team, but that’s because his contributions to the team, most certainly, come from the other aspects of the game, NOT from his defensive prowess!
I’ll give credit to his entire offensive production, as a whole. He also has a pretty wicked slap shot that I hadn’t noticed so much, in prior years.
It can correctly be said that his O numbers, are higher than they might normally be, because he has the fortune of playing with Ovi, including the PP! He does maintain that role decently enough, (as would many others, if given Carlson’s role). The point being that he does produce adequately in that role! Fair enough.
This is why he has the higher value, for the team, among his fellow Dmen, Let’s not confuse higher value with higher DEFENSIVE SKILL!
Except for a few rare flashes, John Carlson has only TWO positive defensive talents, IMO.
One is in blocked shots, the other is his poke check. THATS IT!
His puck handling is terrible. His mental awareness and defensive response is VERY slow, at best. He is NOT a hitter, OR a board battler, and is EASILY beaten in a foot race by almost anyone he deals with!
He acts panicky when getting a puck, especially behind the goal line, in our D zone, where there is a chance for us to regain puck possession. However, if he has an opponent closing in on him, he will slap shot the puck away, like you might do on a PK. Problem is, we’re 5 on 5, and he causes an UNNECESSARY ICING call! Bringing it back of course, to our Dzone for another face off! This is a STAPLE in his repertoire, and he does it ALL the time!! Horrible decision making, due to his slow processing mind, for time and space!
He SUCKS in the crease! At 6’3”, 215lbs, his ass is SOFT with a capital “S”, when in the crease.
He also gets beat, and sometimes, beat bad, one on one, during an opponent breakaway, where he has had plenty of time to cover the guy!
To be fair, he IS willing to lay down his body, in a 2 on 1 situation, so credit there, but SO many times, we’ve seen that when opponents forward, on a breakaway, covered at the blue line by Carlson, and the guy is easily able to get off a QUALITY shot, as if Carlson isn’t even a FACTOR in the issue!! TERRIBLE D skills there! Often times resulting in a disastrous goal!!
The “too numerous to mention” unnecessary stretch passes, that Carlson attempts from our D zone, rarely connect with the target, have a high probability of ANOTHER ICING call, and are normally “just another LOSS of possession change”, caused by Carly, that doesn’t get mentioned!
Best DEFENSEman?? Hell frickin NO! Not in any literal interpretation of the essential word, DEFENSE!!
Most valuable to the team, amongst all our D men? MAYBE! I’ll give you that it’s arguable, no problem, but it’s almost impossible to accurately demonstrate the lost offensive potential, as a direct result of the negatives that happen to us, throughout the game, from John Carlson’s ABYSMAL defensive abilities!
There is no accurate statistic to measure that!
Something, that I’m sure #74 is happy about!
Rush
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I’d agree, but. . . he’d be an 8mil cap hit until the contracts up
Are you sure? The cap space gets opened while he'd be on IR until they figure out he should just retire, just like with Savard in Boston
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Are you sure? The cap space gets opened while he'd be on IR until they figure out he should just retire, just like with Savard in Boston
How it works a bit messy. The Wings are still on the hook for Pavel, Hanks, and Fraznens contract. Chris Pronger was “traded” to Zona around the time he got inducted to The HOF, we where on the hook for Nylamders contract for a few years after he retired, and there’s plenty of other examples of unable to play/retired players still on the salary cap years after even attending a trading camp or a home game.
But hey, we’re about due for another strike so this will change again 🤣
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How it works a bit messy. The Wings are still on the hook for Pavel, Hanks, and Fraznens contract. Chris Pronger was “traded” to Zona around the time he got inducted to The HOF, we where on the hook for Nylamders contract for a few years after he retired, and there’s plenty of other examples of unable to play/retired players still on the salary cap years after even attending a trading camp or a home game.
But hey, we’re about due for another strike so this will change again 🤣
I think "on the hook" for still paying the guys and it counting against the cap are two different things when the guy goes on IR permanently,
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after watching Carlson extream lack of physicality against the Canes, I hope he breaks something that ends his career. It's the best possible outcome for both parties, Dylan and management
What an absolute scumbag thing to say.
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I think "on the hook" for still paying the guys and it counting against the cap are two different things when the guy goes on IR permanently,
This is the closet thing to a clear explanation I could find (https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq)
“LTIR is a very complicated aspect of the NHL operations and the vast majority of details are not specified in the CBA.[/size]When a player is placed on LTIR, their cap hit remains on the teams cap payroll and it continues to count as it always did. It . . .”
Course it goes on to attempt to explain one of the many bumbles of The Bettman Era
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What an absolute scumbag thing to say.
What about traded, and then put out/injured? That way get something and another team gets the cap it? 🤣🤣🤣
In all seriousness, with The Caps salary mess, and lack of organizational depth, Carlson will certainly need to continue to average over 20min a game for the foreseeable future. This amount of time will contribute to wear and tear, longer healing, and possibly of major injury. Why I only joke about him being hurt, not if, but when he gets a big injury . . . we are fucked