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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: canadiancapman on Wednesday February 20, 2019, 12:53:37 PM Eastern
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Tsn is reporting the jaskin was going to be waived but now smith pelley was instead and was pulled off the ice at practice.
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..https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/02/20/capitals-to-place-dmitrij-jaskin-on-waivers/#more-318232 (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/02/20/capitals-to-place-dmitrij-jaskin-on-waivers/#more-318232)
"UPDATE, 12:15 PM: Despite earlier reports that the Caps would waive Dmitrij Jaskin, the team has placed Devante Smith-Pellyon waivers instead. This story has been updated to reflect the changes. We have reached out to the team for comment. The original story appears below."The Washington Capitals are beginning to prepare their roster ahead of the trade deadline.Forward Devante Smith-Pelly has been placed on waivers.Smith-Pelly has four goals and four assists in 54 games this season. Last summer he signed a one-year contract worth one million dollars (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/06/27/devante-smith-pelly-will-return-to-the-capitals-signs-one-year-deal/).Tuesday, Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman reported that the Capitals are looking for their Michal Kempny 2.0 (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/02/19/report-capitals-possibly-checked-in-on-marcus-johansson-want-michal-kempny-2-0-at-trade-deadline/) and perhaps are taking a look at acquiring former forward Marcus Johansson
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How does this help to "prepare the roster for the trade deadline"? If he clears waivers, does his salary not count against the cap?
Assuming a team picks him up - and we save his whopping $1mil? What you gonna get for that?
Or are we going to dump Burka off somewhere for another $3 mil. (Oh please...pretty please....with sugar on top)
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How does this help to "prepare the roster for the trade deadline"? If he clears waivers, does his salary not count against the cap?
Assuming a team picks him up - and we save his whopping $1mil? What you gonna get for that?
Or are we going to dump Burka off somewhere for another $3 mil. (Oh please...pretty please....with sugar on top)
I'm sure there are "capologists" out there who understand this, but if he's on a 1 way contract, doesn't the million dollar AAV still count against the Cap? In this case, is it simply to create a roster spot?
And on RMNB, Rierden said there were "a lot of moving parts" in explaining why it was DSP and not Jaskin. Anyone have any thoughts on what reasoning the Caps have for what clearly seems like a last minute switch? I.e - what's the advantage of having Jaskin instead of DSP on the roster?
Bob Mackenzie on Twitter is saying the DSP move is likely related to a deal with LAK for either Hagelin [AAV $3.5 mil], Trevor Lewis [$2 mil] or Kyle Clifford [$1.6 mil]. Said no trade can be completed until noon tomorrow when DSP clears waivers.
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Someone may want Jaskin and maybe he'll be involved in a trade. I doubt we pick up Clifford, no real need for him and after how well him and Wilson were getting along Monday night, that'd be odd. I like hagelin's speed. He'd be a good addition if we move Bura out.
I also think you can go a Mil over the salary cap once the trade deadline passes. I think I read that somewhere but could be wrong.
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https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-could-capitals-kings-deal-1.1260574
Lots of Capitals talk here.
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My opinion is its just to make roster space. If this team moves Jaskin the fans will mutiny
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I know there's no salary cap in the post season so putting DSP down until the post season, that's fine with me. He doesn't seem to do much in the regular season but was a huge part of this teams success last playoffs.
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My opinion is its just to make roster space. If this team moves Jaskin the fans will mutiny
A few things:
(1) I don't believe there will be a mutiny if Jaskin is dealt (which I doubt he would be, because I don't think he has enough value to make him worth moving.) Jaskin hasn't really accumulated a fan following.
(2) If Smith-Pelly is waived to create a roster spot, then if Burakovsky is moved there will be TWO spots open. Multiple guys coming back?
(3) In a way I hope multiple guys aren't coming back, because I think that would mean the Caps would be dealing draft choices (unless there is a true blockbuster happening that no one knows about.) I don't think this team is good enough to justify going all out for a repeat title by further gutting their draft position. At some point this organization is going to have to make a commitment to reload.
(4) If there WERE a blockbuster going down, it would almost have to involve a high-level defenseman if the objective were to improve the defense, because there's too much clutter on the blue line already to absorb another defenseman.
(5) Most of the scuttlebutt that has been going around about the Caps has been a forward acquisition, though. If the Caps DO acquire a forward, it may not be Jay Beagle, but it does need to be someone with a similar skill set. PK and face-offs are killing this team.
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I would not mind getting back Beagle, nor would I mind grabbing some of the LA Kings players that have been talked about (Lewis, Clifford, don't think I'd want Hagelin though). That said, I wouldn't want a straight up Burakovsky for one of those guys type of trade because I think we wouldn't be getting fair return, and I would be wary of the $3+ million salary for guys like Beagle (as much as I like him) and Hagelin.
I hope we don't try to get any of our other old players back like Johansson or Green though. Mojo might bring some speed and zone entry talent, but is just too soft. As for Green, we have too many high priced defensemen and he's just not the type of guy I think we need. I do think we need defense more than forwards though. I'd rather make a strong add on defense than trying to get a 4th line upgrade. Either way, something's gotta get done because our team right now needs a shake up.
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I would not mind getting back Beagle, nor would I mind grabbing some of the LA Kings players that have been talked about (Lewis, Clifford, don't think I'd want Hagelin though). That said, I wouldn't want a straight up Burakovsky for one of those guys type of trade because I think we wouldn't be getting fair return, and I would be wary of the $3+ million salary for guys like Beagle (as much as I like him) and Hagelin.
I hope we don't try to get any of our other old players back like Johansson or Green though. Mojo might bring some speed and zone entry talent, but is just too soft. As for Green, we have too many high priced defensemen and he's just not the type of guy I think we need. I do think we need defense more than forwards though. I'd rather make a strong add on defense than trying to get a 4th line upgrade. Either way, something's gotta get done because our team right now needs a shake up.
Here's the problem with adding a "strong defenseman." The Caps currently have 7 defensemen on the roster on one-way contracts, and I guarantee they don't want to expose any of them to waivers. So if another serious defenseman comes into that mix, there are too many bodies to play everybody. That means one of the current defensemen probably needs to go in a trade for it to really work, which gets us into blockbuster territory. Making a big move like that with only a month and a half until the playoffs start is always a dicey proposition chemistry-wise. We've seen big moves at the deadline blow up in our faces before. It really would be a roll-the-dice move.
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My guess is the Caps have a last second deal that lined up for Jaskin. Probably have a second man coming too and needed to clear a spot, thus DSP gets placed on waivers.
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Here's the problem with adding a "strong defenseman." The Caps currently have 7 defensemen on the roster on one-way contracts, and I guarantee they don't want to expose any of them to waivers. So if another serious defenseman comes into that mix, there are too many bodies to play everybody. That means one of the current defensemen probably needs to go in a trade for it to really work, which gets us into blockbuster territory. Making a big move like that with only a month and a half until the playoffs start is always a dicey proposition chemistry-wise. We've seen big moves at the deadline blow up in our faces before. It really would be a roll-the-dice move.
You definitely make a good point. But how would you go about it if you were GM? I mean I feel like defense is definitely a weakness. Part of it is probably an issue with the forwards, but there's also the issue that from my vantage point, we have some veterans who appear to have taken a step back, and some young guys who aren't cutting it just yet (i.e. Bowey). Granted, Bowey isn't playing right now, but he's not the ideal guy to come up if someone's out for a while. I'd also be willing to consider moving Orpik + other assets for someone who could play on the 2nd pairing, giving us an option to move an under performing top 4 D to the bottom pairing where they can eat up less minutes against weaker competition.
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Here's the problem with adding a "strong defenseman." The Caps currently have 7 defensemen on the roster on one-way contracts, and I guarantee they don't want to expose any of them to waivers. So if another serious defenseman comes into that mix, there are too many bodies to play everybody. That means one of the current defensemen probably needs to go in a trade for it to really work, which gets us into blockbuster territory. Making a big move like that with only a month and a half until the playoffs start is always a dicey proposition chemistry-wise. We've seen big moves at the deadline blow up in our faces before. It really would be a roll-the-dice move.
My only argument with this is the "dicey proposition chemistry-wise" comment.
What chemistry do you currently see on D that would be compromised? Our D is awful.
Problem is our two "premier" D; Nisky and Orlov, who play together and let's face it are our TOP shut down D men, are both have atrocious years. Nisky just looks hurt or dinged or something....or maybe age is just getting to him. Orlov looks downright lost, which he has always had small spurts where that happens, but not an entire season.
I'm not knocking Carlson, but nobody considers him a shut down D man. Orpik is a shut down guy, but everyone including him knows he is at best a third pairing. What we are sorely missing is Orlov and Nisky being at the top of their game.
I know a lot of people have always been down on Nisky, but he has been a worthy top 4 D man for the Caps (until this year). He is a -7 this year and a +94 over the past 5 seasons (+19 average). That is a dramatic change, and I know it is just a stat and there are many factors, but that is a HUGE swing.
Orlov is also a -7 this year and his previous 3 years was a cumulative +38.
I am never one to blame one or two guys for the "team" defense, for this is a TEAM problem.
However, at our current level of play, I'd take the risk of inserting a quality D from outside. I can't see it hurting our current chemistry on D.
I do NOT think that will happen. I don't see how the caps could afford a REAL decent D. Like a 5-6 or more mil/year guy. Even if you offload Burka, that only gets you half way. You unload Burka and Jaskin, and you've got 4.1 mil. Add DSP and you get another mil. But what team would want DSP, Jaskin, and Burka, that could spare losing a solid D man?
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If Bura for Johansson, as I suggested in jest weeks ago, is actually happening. . . it would make us a far better team, but would make Monumental look like (show as) absolute bafoons.
Trade a solid two-way player as a salary dump, while over-signing a younger one way player, only to flip that to get the first player back because they let the other two way players go. . . 🤣🤣🤣
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Trade announced. Hagelin for a 3rd rounder and a conditional 6th rounder
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Can someone explain Waivers to me in layman's terms.
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Can someone explain Waivers to me in layman's terms.
It means he's going to play in Hershey without counting against cap space. He's only 26 so there is the minor possibility that he gets some of his game back
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Can someone explain Waivers to me in layman's terms.
When a player has played in X number of NHL games you cannot send them back to the AHL without first placing them on waivers, giving other NHL teams a chance to claim his contract. If the players get's through this process without being claimed they then can go down to the AHL. That's the gist of it.
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..https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/02/20/capitals-to-place-dmitrij-jaskin-on-waivers/#more-318232 (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/02/20/capitals-to-place-dmitrij-jaskin-on-waivers/#more-318232)
"UPDATE, 12:15 PM: Despite earlier reports that the Caps would waive Dmitrij Jaskin, the team has placed Devante Smith-Pellyon waivers instead. This story has been updated to reflect the changes. We have reached out to the team for comment. The original story appears below."The Washington Capitals are beginning to prepare their roster ahead of the trade deadline.Forward Devante Smith-Pelly has been placed on waivers.Smith-Pelly has four goals and four assists in 54 games this season. Last summer he signed a one-year contract worth one million dollars (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/06/27/devante-smith-pelly-will-return-to-the-capitals-signs-one-year-deal/).Tuesday, Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman reported that the Capitals are looking for their Michal Kempny 2.0 (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/02/19/report-capitals-possibly-checked-in-on-marcus-johansson-want-michal-kempny-2-0-at-trade-deadline/) and perhaps are taking a look at acquiring former forward Marcus Johansson
8-0 :O= :O= :O= :O= :O=
Please say it ai'nt so............
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The BIG question, for me, anyway, is WHY was Jaskin put on waivers firstly and then taken off and reaplaced with SMelly?
Does it have anything to so with the Hagelin signing? How? They want to claim DSP over Jaskin? i'm okay with that. I preffer Jaskin anyway. DSP has nothing more to show for us. I think Jaskin might.
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As for the Mojo suggestion, I hope that we have now aquired Hagelin, then that is now dead and buried. Volcano man does not need to return. Especially whilst we still have Bear. We do not need another volcano candidate.
Mojo was sat many, many times by his coach. Why? For the same reasons over and ovwer again. He won't do what he's told. Same as here. The last thing we need is Klub Kettler back here.
I s he a better player than Bear. Meh! Who cares. We don't want or need either of them. The sooner gone the better.
Please don't gget me wrong. They're both really great guys. They are just not right for our team.
I DO NOT want Mojo back. I do not want KK back.
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Seems Joel Ward is up for it. I'd take him over either of the others
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With Hagelin coming in I'd be highly surprised if the Caps pick up another foreward. They know they need D.
As far as reporting Jaskin as waived before DSP was. As best I can tell it was just a miscommunication with the press. It's not uncommon for the press to guess wrong when they see something on the practice ice. Jaskin is the last guy they should trade right now.
Unfortunately I don't see Wardo playing anywhere this year, unless a team has a catastrophic injury
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With Hagelin coming in I'd be highly surprised if the Caps pick up another foreward. They know they need D.
As far as reporting Jaskin as waived before DSP was. As best I can tell it was just a miscommunication with the press. It's not uncommon for the press to guess wrong when they see something on the practice ice. Jaskin is the last guy they should trade right now.
Unfortunatedo ws a fantasy, pipe dream. I know.ly I don't see Wardo playing anywhere this year, unless a team has a catastrophic injury
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Lol. Waas FNT
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Tee hee .... Techz.........
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Here's the problem with adding a "strong defenseman." The Caps currently have 7 defensemen on the roster on one-way contracts, and I guarantee they don't want to expose any of them to waivers. So if another serious defenseman comes into that mix, there are too many bodies to play everybody. That means one of the current defensemen probably needs to go in a trade for it to really work, which gets us into blockbuster territory. Making a big move like that with only a month and a half until the playoffs start is always a dicey proposition chemistry-wise. We've seen big moves at the deadline blow up in our faces before. It really would be a roll-the-dice move.
Hey Black.
The Shattenkirk trade, using hindsight from the 2nd round playoff exit, when he was here, was a perfect example of how team chemistry can go off kilter, when trading at the deadline. ESPECIALLY a big name guy!
There are some team factors that, if in place at the time of a deadline trade, seem to potentially increase the negative affect to team chemistry!
First, you have to have some GOOD chemistry, that’s already present, and established during the regular season.
Second, and most likely hand in hand, with established good chemistry, is that you are a team that appears likely to make the playoffs, at the time of the deadline! (In other words, having a common team goal to strive for).
Third, you are trading for a top 6/4, O or D player, who will displace one of the regular starters!
Caps had ALL these factors happening when we got Shatty. Caps were already cementing well for the playoffs, and locker room rapport was good!
This year is different, IMO, in one big way!
In agreement with Rich, I think we have very little risk, concerning an upset to the defensive chemistry of the Capitals.
Bob Dylan sang the lyrics “If you ain’t got nothing, you got nothing to lose”!
One of the most notable issues, of the many, for this years team, is our blaring, random, inconsistent, defense! Probably the most reliably predictable fault, that we can all agree on!
This is what a “NO chemistry” defense looks like in the NHL!
Whereas the only potential direction, the team chemistry, with Shatty, could have gone would’ve been, to be unaffected, or to be disrupted, the chemistry, or lack of it, with this years defense, can’t drop much lower, so the risk to chemistry is quite small.
Just my two cents.
One possible angle to today’s Haglin trade, may be to directly replace Bura, then Bura is used to help get a Dman! We’ll see by Monday!
Rush
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Rush - that was a great post. I screamed about the team chemistry at the time of the Shatty trade. He came in and a guy that had been playing hard for us all year had to sit down. We had a good thing going then and bought in a guy that really wanted to play for the Rangers. He then spouted off about how he would just go out to find good restaurants on road trips. Just watch Ovi go after him whenever we play the Rangers and that tells you what you need to know about how he fit in here.
I agree with you that this year is totally different. We need change and new blood.
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Rush - that was a great post. I screamed about the team chemistry at the time of the Shatty trade. He came in and a guy that had been playing hard for us all year had to sit down. We had a good thing going then and bought in a guy that really wanted to play for the Rangers. He then spouted off about how he would just go out to find good restaurants on road trips. Just watch Ovi go after him whenever we play the Rangers and that tells you what you need to know about how he fit in here.
I agree with you that this year is totally different. We need change and new blood.
Hey Beags.
GMBM definitely regrets that Shatty trade. It’s probably one of his biggest flops as a manager here!
Shatty’s problem was two-fold, in that his individual skill type, (strong offensive reputation), was NOT a Caps team deficiency at the time! We had NO problem scoring goals! Actually, there was NOTHING but maybe a small tweak or two, that was needed, if even THAT, overall with the team!
Secondly, Shatty came in here with some good production numbers on his resume. Problem was, he not only knew it, but ACTED it, with some signs of cockiness, coming too early in the locker room, from reputation alone, before he had any meaningful production!
The locker room was already filled with some big rep, cocky guys, BUT, they had learned through the season, to GEL together as a team! The boys had to be frustrated, and a bit resentful, having to accommodate this guy, and there was obviously not a lot of love lost when he went to NY!
Definitely think it was a sizable factor, in contributing to our second round playoff knockout!!
Rush