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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: Mickstix on Tuesday March 05, 2024, 06:28:39 PM Eastern
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1 gone! Hope we got something good for him!
https://twitter.com/sammisilber/status/1765153745585738066 (https://twitter.com/sammisilber/status/1765153745585738066)
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Fart noise. (and we retain half his salary)
https://twitter.com/sammisilber/status/1765163466417918048 (https://twitter.com/sammisilber/status/1765163466417918048)
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For a 2nd in ‘24 and 4th round pick in ‘26, plus %50 salary retention. Did the golden knights at least use some lube on Caps management.
>:( :wtf:
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For a 2nd in ‘24 and 4th round pick in ‘26, plus %50 salary retention. Did the golden knights at least use some lube on Caps management.
>:( :wtf:
Because of the LTIR exemptions, the Caps don't have any issues with salary. But Vegas probably does, which is why the Caps have to retain salary.
I think people have unrealistic expectations of what you can get for a rental.
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Looks to me like Vegas got the better of this deal. We will see what the market turns out to be for rentals, but we got a 2nd that will probably be in the last 4 picks of the second round, and then a 4th that has a very low chance of producing anything. I was hoping for more, especially in a scenario where we retained a significant amount of salary.
Mantha was a dog for us, for most of his contract, but he is actually playing great right now and could make a big impact in the playoffs. I am pretty disappointed in this deal.
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The more I think about it, the more it ticks me off. BMac basically owes his job to McPhee and already paid him back by giving him Chandler Stephenson - now he gives him Mantha for a less than great return - and he did it early in the trade week. We will see how this looks after other trades are done. If anything, he should have had the 2nd round pick be in 2025 or 2026.
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Yea I saw on thread from NHL on the trade. Consensus is we got hosed. But we rarely get the better end of anything. I think the Oshie trade was about the only thing that panned out and we still fucked it up in the end. lol
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I looked back to the trade for Mantha with Detroit. We gave up Vrana (who turned out to be a bust for Detroit), Richard Panik and a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. The first round pick ended up with St. Louis who has been a stud. Mantha of course was one of the most frustrating guys to watch play - a ton of talent with no desire or effort - then he gets in a contract year and suddenly plays well.
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Meh - not the best trade but we'd have given him away this summer for a bag of pucks if someone would've taken him. Plus, Ottawa just traded Tarasenko to Florida for a 3rd and 4th and retained 1/2 the salary, like the Caps did with AM. Maybe "the market" isn't as great as we expect, at least not this early in the trade season. Maybe the returns will bet better as the trade deadline gets closer.
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Meh - not the best trade but we'd have given him away this summer for a bag of pucks if someone would've taken him. Plus, Ottawa just traded Tarasenko to Florida for a 3rd and 4th and retained 1/2 the salary, like the Caps did with AM. Maybe "the market" isn't as great as we expect, at least not this early in the trade season. Maybe the returns will bet better as the trade deadline gets closer.
this ^ I think it is a good deal for us now 23 picks in the next 3 drafts to play with. Now, work out a Hanfin deal!!
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Very surprised by the poor return on the Tarasenko trade, so maybe the Mantha deal wasn't too bad. I bet Jensen is next, now that they resigned Sandin - or Edmundson who I think is certain to get traded. I was hoping for a second round pick for him, but now maybe we are lucky to get a third.
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There are two parts to the trade deadline movements: what the sellers get from the buyers; and, what happens to the sellers in the standings after they make whatever moves they are going to make.
Right now the Caps are in a tight group of 9 teams that look to be just below playoff level, unless somebody in this group gets extremely hot extremely soon. They are all between 63 and 68 standings points, and are all closer to each other than they are to the playoff teams above them, or the 7 worst teams below them. As part of this cluster, the Caps could finish anywhere between 8th from the bottom and 16th from the bottom - i.e., the "best" non-playoff team. So it seems that unless the lottery gods shine on them, they will be picking no higher, and probably lower, in the upcoming draft than they did last year.
This really feels as if the Caps are getting stuck in the beginnings of a cycle of mediocrity. They have already left the Ovechkin era, in that Ovie is just another player at this point so he doesn't define the team's fortunes as he did previously. So even into a transition era, the Caps aren't bad enough to really be in the running for the next wave of very best players who will help to define the upcoming hockey generation. They'll be stuck with a bunch of "guys."
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I dont think the Mantha trade was awful. Anything we got for him was a bonus....he was gone for nothing end of season. Retaining 50% of his salary for 1/4 of the year is peanuts.
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Welp....Edmunson is gone....to Toronto for a 3rd round and a 5th round. Thats not much.
Retaining half his salary is again....peanuts. 1/2 of about 25% of the year of 1.5
https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-acquire-2024-third-round-pick-and-2025-fifth-round-pick-from-toronto-for-joel-edmundson (https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-acquire-2024-third-round-pick-and-2025-fifth-round-pick-from-toronto-for-joel-edmundson)
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3rd and 5th for Edmondson aint bad. Lots of picks we're acquiring, but none where we need them (top 10). Guess we just need to pray we hit on a diamond in the rough nobody saw coming. Very very hard to do, but I guess anything is possible. Cause like Ice said, we're in an endless loop of mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
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Caps have two UFAs left, Pacs and Aubé-Kubel. Hopefully a few guys from Hershey are ready to step up because these low round picks are near useless.
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Hey - a year ago they traded a 3rd and a 7th for Edmundson and this year they got back a third and a 5th - so they came out ahead! Wahoo, if we keep moving up from 7th round picks to 5th round picks, we will be back in the Finals in no time!
The big question is who is next - Dowd? They have held him out of games and he has probably been healthy. He could actually bring us a decent return. Maybe a goalie? Lindgren would bring a decent return as well and since the have a couple young goalies ready to come up, that might make sense. It would be great to trade Keumper and keep Charlie, but nobody is taking the Keumper contract.
Watch and see what the Pens do. They will get a crazy haul for Guentzel - a 1st, a 2nd and a player, and then they will resign him in the summer.
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Hmmmm - Darcy is "sick" and not skating today.....
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Hmmmm - Darcy is "sick" and not skating today.....
This is a real sickness I think..
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3rd and 5th for Edmondson aint bad. Lots of picks we're acquiring, but none where we need them (top 10). Guess we just need to pray we hit on a diamond in the rough nobody saw coming. Very very hard to do, but I guess anything is possible. Cause like Ice said, we're in an endless loop of mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
It looks like we will use all those pics on trades in the offseason maybe. GMBM makes very 'safe' moves. He does what he says and is predictable. Will that get a young team over the top?
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Dowd...I think the Caps will hold onto him unless they get a pretty decent return. Although at this point, as much as I like him and he seems a really decent fellow....I'd be willing to part with him, and he is 33. He does a lot on this team, but he is not a special player you build a future around. THe caps are weak up the middle though, so unless you get decent bang, I hold onto him. Sgarbossa might could fill his spot, but he is 31 now (dowd 33)
I hope they do trade Pacs and get something for him. He isn't going to help us this season and poof he'll be gone for nothing. I would think some playoff bound team would want a character, cup-winning guy like him just for depth, etc.
NAK...meh...I don't see him getting much return. But I'm fine with moving him.
Hell if you really gonna rebuild...why not move Jensen or TVR?...or, heaven forbid, Carlson? You could bring up Iorio or Lucas Johansen. I know they will never move Carlson, but ...I was surprised they extended Jensen. I mean he's fine, but for rebuild mode why bother?
Although our D corps isnt impressing anyone: Carlson, Jensen, TVR, Fever, Sundin, Bear, ALexeyev, Johansen
Fucking Kuzy...found another way to fuck this team with his issues. Made him virtually untradeable.
I'd love them to move Keumper too. They could afford to retain salary on him.
The thing is....the Caps will for the first time in 10 seasons will have big buckets of cash/cap room to spend in the off-season. Backstrom, Kuzy, Mantha is like $23mil
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Dowd has one more season under contract, and he’s cheap, less than $1.5M per. For what he brings there is no reason to trade him now, unless you know you can fill that hole. I don’t see anyone in the system right now that can.
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Not sure why they'd care if they can fill Dowd's hole? I mean, competitively anyway.. The goal at this point shouldn't be to keep older guys who are good. Good does nothing positive for this team. The goal should be to hope Ovi scores and lose every game.
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Malynstein is the replacement for Dowd - younger, faster. If they could get a 2nd for Dowd, I would do it. He has been a little injury prone and I am afraid some of it has been concussions.
Patch is untradeable at this point. He has shown to be old and slow and the Caps made a mistake by giving him enough games to make his incentive bonus - so they will have to eat 2M next year.
Really wish we could dump Kemper as Charlie is clearly a much better goalie for next year and we have a couple guys ready to take over after that.
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Patch is untradeable at this point. He has shown to be old and slow and the Caps made a mistake by giving him enough games to make his incentive bonus - so they will have to eat 2M next year.
Patches is UFA....signed him this year only - has no contract next year. Trade him for a bag of pucks.
I'd trade him to a contender for almost any pick AND retain salary. You'd only be retaining 25% of the year so...500K
I could see somebody grabbing him just for his leadership and Cup pedigree - just for a playoff ride. There's virtually no risk with no contract
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Yep - give away Pac - they should have managed his game count to avoid the bonus. I actually don't think there will be any demand for him. If he had played really well, I was hoping to get a 3rd round pick.
Now that they smoked the Pens, maybe they back off trading Dowd. I have always liked Dowd, but I think Malynstyn is the perfect replacement for him so if we could get at least a 2nd rounder for him, I would go for that.
The big mystery will be what do we do on goalies. Charlie played great last night and you know they would like to keep him as the starter and mentor to one of the young goalies next year and blow Keumper out with his big salary. They would probably have to retain more of his salary than they would want though.
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If they can't move Patches, I hope he becomes a healthy scratch. He does nothing for them going forward other than possibly a mentor.
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Hearing Kuzy to Canes?
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Say Waaaahut? That is interesting. It's going to be hard to deal with whatever they do with him. They will have to retain a bunch of salary and probably won't get much in return - then Kuzy will go play like a maniac and look great for a while.
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Kuzy gone! To Carolina for a 2025 3rd round pick and Caps keep half his salary. Sad ending for one of the most talented players that the Caps have had. I have always thought that the Caps coaching did a dis-service to him. When he came over, he was so enamored with Ovi that he decided to try and be a playmaker instead of a pure scorer. They should have sat him down and told him to score goals! Every time he passed when he should have shot, they should have really clamped down on him. I think he easily could have been a 40+ goal scorer. Caps coaching really blew it.
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Say Waaaahut? That is interesting. It's going to be hard to deal with whatever they do with him. They will have to retain a bunch of salary and probably won't get much in return - then Kuzy will go play like a maniac and look great for a while.
looks like a 225 3rd rounder and 50% salary retention
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Kuzy gone! To Carolina for a 2025 3rd round pick and Caps keep half his salary. Sad ending for one of the most talented players that the Caps have had. I have always thought that the Caps coaching did a dis-service to him. When he came over, he was so enamored with Ovi that he decided to try and be a playmaker instead of a pure scorer. They should have sat him down and told him to score goals! Every time he passed when he should have shot, they should have really clamped down on him. I think he easily could have been a 40+ goal scorer. Caps coaching really blew it.
I don't think it was a coaching failure, he did it to himself
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Caps gotta eat $3.9M next year just for Kuzy. Next seasons cap hit is growing faster than it should. The comments are entertaining ..
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1766126080207782162 (https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1766126080207782162)
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I don't think it was a coaching failure, he did it to himself
This. Those of us that have been around awhile remember the situation with Witt. Despite making it publicly known he wanted to be traded, more difficult to do pre interwebs, he played hard for two seasons waiting for management to trade him.
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Hearing Kuzy to Canes?
:super: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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The Kuzy move makes me very happy on two counts.
Firstly, he's been given another chance .... again. Obviously the Caps are a toxic environment for him. Hopefully being away from and out from under Ovi's shadow will allow him to grow in himself and be his own man.
Secondly, YAY! Our locker room has just had an enourmous cloud lifted off it and it's not as if we've missed him playing.
I was pretty worried that nobody would want him, in spite of his talent, so I'm happy for both parties.
Good luck to him. .... And them. :P
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We really need to shift Special K.
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I'm happy for Kuzy. Maybe the change of scenery will be good for him.
I'm happy for the Caps - got rid of a disgruntled player.
I'm happy for me .......if his attitude doesn't change with yet another "refresh", then Lazy Kuzy versus Rod the Bod is must see TV. Grab the popcorn.
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dude on the left is Svechnikov..
https://twitter.com/Canes/status/1766181101028966534 (https://twitter.com/Canes/status/1766181101028966534)
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Well good luck to Kuzy. The deal is way lopsided, but it needed to be. I watched GMBM interview from couple days ago and it was very obvious he would never put on a Caps sweater again. Every answer to every question was basically "We are looking for a fresh start for him to give him an opportunity to continue his career....elsewhere"
This year salary wont matter cause you were paying it regardless, but next year....Ooooof. Basically you paid $3.9m to get rid of him AND to play against you in the east.
Carolina is definitely making moves for the playoffs. But I guess you can do that when you are a contender.
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The deadline to submit paperwork to the league is 3pm. It’s 3:25 and there’s no word on the Caps making any more trades, though it may take a few more minutes for everything to get posted.
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Alta you right about the comments though.
I'm surprised at all the love and hate for this deal in the comments....
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Alta you right about the comments though.
I'm surprised at all the love and hate for this deal in the comments....
Surprised neither Dowd nor Lindgren were traded, but maybe the asking price was too high, which doesn't upset me too much. Both are on very team friendly contracts for the value they bring. Some last minute rumors about Beck Malenstyn generating some interest from other teams. While maybe not as valuable as Dowd or Lindgren, he too has a Caps friendly contract.
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Surprised they didn't move a D (Jensen/TVR) after signing Sandin to a bloated (imo) contract. We now have about 20 mil tied up in 4 D who don't really play D that well. lol
Shocked Carolina took a chance on Kuzy. Even for 4m or whatever it works out for, that's a risk. Guess they're hoping it was environmental. Wish him well!!
Bummed we didn't get to move Dowd. Love Dowd, but I don't really want good older players. We need to either be bad and young, or good and young. Good and old does us no favors.
Im fine with keeping Charlie. He's not young, but at 30 a goalie still has years he could play at top level. Kuemper's contract will fuck us though. He's old and has 3 more years of 5+m..
Stick by my hope that Patches becomes a healthy scratch, but seeing as they're sending guys back to Hershey today, I doubt that happens. Whatever..
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No more moves from the Caps on the trade front. Pacioretty and Aubé-Kubel are pending UFAs. I would assume they work a deal with Aubé-Kubel, and let Pacs walk. But who knows.
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Now that the deadline is past and we know what our draft choices will be, my hopes for our first three draft choices are Cole Eiserman, David Green, and Carson Wetsch.
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Surprised they didn't move a D (Jensen/TVR) after signing Sandin to a bloated (imo) contract. We now have about 20 mil tied up in 4 D who don't really play D that well. lol
Shocked Carolina took a chance on Kuzy. Even for 4m or whatever it works out for, that's a risk. Guess they're hoping it was environmental. Wish him well!!
Bummed we didn't get to move Dowd. Love Dowd, but I don't really want good older players. We need to either be bad and young, or good and young. Good and old does us no favors.
Im fine with keeping Charlie. He's not young, but at 30 a goalie still has years he could play at top level. Kuemper's contract will fuck us though. He's old and has 3 more years of 5+m..
Stick by my hope that Patches becomes a healthy scratch, but seeing as they're sending guys back to Hershey today, I doubt that happens. Whatever..
Forgot about Jensen. Wouldn't have mind seeing him move.
Agree to disagree on Dowd. Forget where I heard it but somewhere I heard that he was a good clubhouse presence and mentor for some of the younger players. Shutdown defender always taking on the other teams top line, top Pker, and he can actually win a draw. All at a very reasonable price.
Agree - that DK contact looks like a hot mess now and will not age well. Looks like we are stuck paying a $ goalie 5million who plays like a $1million goalie while our $1million goalie is playing like a $5million goalie.
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Maybe Jensen and TVR weren't traded because after Edmunson was moved, with Fehervary out for awhile, the Caps don't have a lot of depth on defense. I assume that one of McIlrath or Iorio (or maybe Johansen) will be brought up for the brutal Western Conference road trip next week.
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Agree to disagree on Dowd.
Dowd's an absolute bad ass! I'd just rather have a 20 something playing that spot, with our current situation. And I was hoping he could bring a 1st, since he has another year on his deal. Hopefully he can teach some of these kids how to win a draw while he's still here!! :cross:
Maybe Jensen and TVR weren't traded because after Edmunson was moved, with Fehervary out for awhile, the Caps don't have a lot of depth on defense.
Probably. But like I said before, just not sure why they'd care. Playoffs are done, nothing to gain this year but a worse draft pick in the 1st round. Though I imagine the real reason is nobody had interest in Jensen or TVR for their price tags. (And we'd used all 3 salary retention clauses already)
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Mick, I didn't know about the 3 salary retention limit. Yes, that's a good reason why Jensen/TVR weren't moved.
As tragic as Backstrom's career-ending injury was, the cap exemption it gives us is the gift that keeps on giving. And since I assume he will stay on LTIR through the end of his contract next year, it will give us his cap room even if he isn't playing. That's how Kuznetsov's $3.9 million sunk cost next year will be managed.
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Not that many high draft picks were traded this year - maybe because the same contenders had traded away picks last year - but also because teams are valuing draft picks more now that the younger kids are so much faster and talented. We are about half way through the league transitioning to amazing speed and talent.
Glad for Kuzy and I think he will tear it up in Carolina. I think GMBM went out of his way to find the right spot for him, with 4 Russians including Orlov and a smaller market team. It will hurt a bit to see him play to his potential, but so be it.
One thing about our D that I think will help is Alexyev. I thought he played really well these last few games and his skating has improved 100%.
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Beagle, your point is well taken. Even if he isn't an NHL calibre defenseman, it is now time to start finding out about him one way or the other. He's 24 years old - he's not a kid any more. With 7 defensemen currently on the roster, and even with Fehervary supposedly coming back shortly, he's one of 3 LHD. If there should be any rotation, it should be among the RHD. He's big and strong, the type of guy who should be the first thought to take the role of the now-departed Edmunson, and he has fresh legs. I see no reason whatsoever, other than injury, why he should be sitting out any games between now and the end of the regular season. Carbery needs a reading on what he can expect out of him next season and moving forward.
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Agree - thought he played well tonight. Also thought TVR played well and Sandin is showing some confidence.
Hope they resign NAK.