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Title: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Thursday March 18, 2021, 07:24:51 PM Eastern
trade deadline coming up, I see absolutely no reason to change anything now....


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/03/18/capitals-trade-tiers-leading-up-to-the-nhl-trade-deadline/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/03/18/capitals-trade-tiers-leading-up-to-the-nhl-trade-deadline/)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline Approaching
Post by: BlackIce on Thursday March 18, 2021, 08:11:55 PM Eastern
FWIW, the trade deadline is April 12 at 3 pm (I presume EDT).


The Caps have no salary cap room.  Bringing in a player requires jettisoning equal salary.  Also, any moves have to be assessed in light of the effect on the upcoming expansion draft.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline Approaching
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday March 18, 2021, 09:04:36 PM Eastern
The expansion draft is unfair to good teams who have built their teams up over the last several seasons....especially those with young talent.  You just can't protect enough guys.
I know the NHL was trying to make the expansion teams competitive, but they went overboard.


1/2 of the current teams in the NHL could do better with a draft like that than they could with their current roster.


The fact that Vegas, as a 1st year expansion team was able to build a team strong enough to make it to the SC finals tells a lot.  I don't mind them trying to make it competitive, but they should not get THAT much of a jump on the rest of the league.  You want an expansion team....you got to suck it up a few years.







Title: Re: Trade Deadline Approaching
Post by: BlackIce on Thursday March 18, 2021, 10:13:48 PM Eastern
The expansion draft is unfair to good teams who have built their teams up over the last several seasons....especially those with young talent.  You just can't protect enough guys.
I know the NHL was trying to make the expansion teams competitive, but they went overboard.


1/2 of the current teams in the NHL could do better with a draft like that than they could with their current roster.


The fact that Vegas, as a 1st year expansion team was able to build a team strong enough to make it to the SC finals tells a lot.  I don't mind them trying to make it competitive, but they should not get THAT much of a jump on the rest of the league.  You want an expansion team....you got to suck it up a few years.




Of course, a large part of the reason for Vegas' early success was the absolute brilliance of the GM, George McPhee.  Why can't we get front office leadership like that?




Oh, wait .....






Of course, the problem is that, having given Vegas a chance to form a team under a given set of rules, the NHL could hardly make the rules less accommodating for the upcoming draft, especially with it occurring only a few years after the previous one.  Like it or not, these two expansions are too closely linked to try to rejigger the rules.  But even so, we'll see if Seattle is able to make as much hay from their draft as McPhee/Vegas was able to make from theirs.  It could be that the other teams will be able to learn something from the Vegas draft experience and will figure out ways to protect themselves better.


To be honest, I share your concern more about the initial strength of the expansion team than the differential harm to better-run, higher-quality teams who can't protect everyone.  Even the best-run and potentially "most harmed" franchises still lose only one player. 
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Sunday March 21, 2021, 12:21:50 PM Eastern
interesting move...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/03/21/capitals-re-sign-trevor-van-riemsdyk-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-1-9-million/
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday March 21, 2021, 12:37:30 PM Eastern
interesting move...

Wonder if they're expecting (or if he's expecting) to start get playing time? Ya think he'd be looking to move on if he was just gonna ride pine?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Sunday March 21, 2021, 05:43:32 PM Eastern
Wonder if they're expecting (or if he's expecting) to start get playing time? Ya think he'd be looking to move on if he was just gonna ride pine?


yep, that’s why I find it interesting. He’s got the talent to play, but doesn’t look like he will here next season
Title: Re: Trade Deadline Approaching
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 22, 2021, 06:02:50 PM Eastern

Of course, the problem is that, having given Vegas a chance to form a team under a given set of rules, the NHL could hardly make the rules less accommodating for the upcoming draft, especially with it occurring only a few years after the previous one.  Like it or not, these two expansions are too closely linked to try to rejigger the rules.  But even so, we'll see if Seattle is able to make as much hay from their draft as McPhee/Vegas was able to make from theirs.  It could be that the other teams will be able to learn something from the Vegas draft experience and will figure out ways to protect themselves better.


To be honest, I share your concern more about the initial strength of the expansion team than the differential harm to better-run, higher-quality teams who can't protect everyone.  Even the best-run and potentially "most harmed" franchises still lose only one player.


I keep forgetting the one player per team part so that makes its more bearable.....unless you happen to lose a great goalie or key player.  ALso players with no movement clauses have to be protected so that kind of limits what decisions a team actually can make.
Still...the draft is way too generous.  You get to pick from a pretty good pool of players.  Teams can protect 7 forwards and 3 D (or 8 total) so that leaves 15+ NHL roster guys exposed from every club.  That's a pretty good talent pool.


Caps players with no movement clauses: 


Ovie
Wilson
Kuzy
Carlson
Orlov
Oshie


Ovie's contract will be up, but I would expect they will sign him before the expansion draft and he will be protected.


That's 6 of your 10 right there (unless the players WAIVE their no trade clause for the draft)


I certainly expect the Caps will protect Ovi, Willy, Kuzy and Carlson for sure anyway.  THey seem to like Orlov too, but that contract...


SO...Who would YOU protect on this squad.  You get 7 forwards and 3 D - OR 8 skaters, plus one goalie.


Which goalie are you protecting?  Time to test your GM skills and put your money where your mouth is...











Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 22, 2021, 06:21:32 PM Eastern

So as things stand right now...I'm protecting:


Ovie - THE Franchise - enough said
Wilson - Don't even need to think about it - probably THE most dominant player in the league at his position.
Kuzy - Well SMH....SO much talent and mad skills.  Just so hard to find a real 1C in this league.  If only he would play...
Backy - Again...how would you replace this guy?
Vrana - Hmm....still can't decide - expecting more from him.
Eller - good fit for us - works hard, fills a lot of rolls
Oshie - heart and soul guy who does still have scoring punch


Carlson - for all the grief we (okay I) give him....he's a talented guy and would be missed
Orlov - Did I really put him on this list.
Dillon - well who else is left to protect?  This assumes Chara is moving on


Samsonov - either of our goalies would be a steal.  Young players with great potential and currently minimal salaries. 



I'm sure many will laugh at protecting Eller, but he is a bargain 3C and I think the center position is the hardest to fill.  Some of my thinking was which player would be hardest to replace.
I'm kind of on the fence with Vrana, but he has mad skills and potential.  Most of our current 3/4 line guys could be replaced with other comparable 3/4 line guys.

If I had my wish, and we actually did TRADE Orlov this season then I might protect Ziggy.  I'm not sure of what the rules are with protecting younger players.  Ziggy played 20+ games in 20018-19 season so I think he is considered a 3rd year player (which means he is exposed)
I hate that all my guys are big contract (well mostly) guys, but it was mostly guys that would be hard or impossible to replace.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Monday March 22, 2021, 07:27:04 PM Eastern
Oh we're probably losing Vanacek to Seattle. Unless he takes a dump or something. (Shut up rich)  :raspberry:
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Monday March 22, 2021, 07:44:28 PM Eastern
Rich, there are a couple of things about the draft that are a little uncertain to me, especially given that the expansion draft is in June, when the Caps' season may still be going on (or not, who knows?)


(1)  In addition to who you can protect, there are certain players you MUST expose:  2 forwards under contract through at least 2022 who played at least 40 NHL games this season or 70 NHL games combined the last two seasons; one such defenseman; and a goalie either signed through 2022 or an RFA given a qualifying offer.  (I wonder if these game floor numbers will be reduced given the shortened seasons due to COVID?)


(2)  What happens, if the Caps' season is over, to players such as Vrana and Siegenthaler, who are likely to be unsigned RFA's at the time of the draft.  Are they exempt from selection, or must they be protected in order to assure they are not selected?  Similarly, if Ovie isn't signed as of the time of the draft, what is his status?  Does it depend on whether or not the Caps are still alive in the playoffs?  That doesn't make sense.



Let's start with the goalies.  I assume that the Caps protect Samsonov.  I THINK Vanacek is exempt from the draft, because he is as first-year NHL player (first and second-year players are exempt).  Actually, I think that Copley was given an NHL contract that runs through 2022 so that he can be brought up and be the goalie required to be exposed in the draft.


Next, defense.  Van Riemsdyk was NOT signed to be protected, so he will be a/the qualifying defenseman to be exposed.  Chara will be a UFA and not on the team's radar WRT the draft.  Kempney is off the radar because of his injury status.  That leaves Carlson/Orlov/Dillon/Schultz/Jensen/Siegenthaler.  Rick, assuming you are right about Siegenthaler's status, here is where the tough nut is.  I'd protect Carlson, Dillion, and Siegenthaler and let Orlov hanging out there, but as far as I can tell the coach isn't utterly enthralled with Sieg, and we DO have Fehevary and Alexeyev coming up the pipeline.  I suspect we are going to lose a defenseman when all is said and done.


Finally, forwards.  I don't have a quibble with your selections, except that I don't know what Vrana's status is as an unsigned RFA.  I guess he has to be protected if the Caps want to keep him.  Obviously, with Dowd, Hathaway, Haiglin, Panik, and Sprong all signed through 2022, there is no shortage of qualifying forwards we will leave exposed.  Might Seattle select one of our primo 4th line guys who have been so solid this year?  I sort of doubt it, because these are the types of guys that will be left exposed throughout the league.  Seattle will have all sorts of players like this to select from.  BUT, Dowd, as a center, decent face-off guy, PK guy, might be worth a selection -- will he be better than all the other players of his kind who will be available?  The other threat as a loss might be Sprong, given his resurgence this season, and he's only 24. 


My thoughts, FWIW.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 22, 2021, 08:41:00 PM Eastern

Ice,


good points.  I admittedly don't know all the details of the rules

Yeah, I'm not sure how Ovi fits with contract, etc, but I can't imagine he isn't protected by the Caps some way some how no matter what.


I agree with you on Orlov and Ziggy.  I wonder IF Orlov can be left unprotected because he DOES have some kind of No Trade Clause?  I don't know how the rules apply.
I could leave him hanging and would be okay if he was selected or not.  I would protect Ziggy then like you said
Ziggy I really like and can't figure why he doesn't play....other than the glut of Dmen we suddenly have this year.  I could also see an argument for protecting Jensen, but I don't think he's all that.  He is having an outstanding year.  How much is growth, coaching, scheme, partner, luck, etc.?  I was lobbying for cutting him and letting Ziggy play early on...Ziggy earned a spot last year IMO.  Jensen is a puck mover though and fits the system.  He has played well, but when it comes to PLAYOFF caliber D-men....Is he what wins a cup?


I chose to protect Dillon because he has been more solid this year and he's kind of old school which I like.  SHultz has or could have injury issues so he's a little more risky to keep.


I forgot about Vitek being so young so I think you are correct and he IS protected which means Copely is signed specifically for that reason of exposing him...good call.


I agree with you that most of our 3/4 line guys -(even though most of them having very good and effective play for us) could be replaced.  Always hard to know/figure the intangibles though.


I thought about Sprong, but he is young and a bit unproven.  He is quick and man he has an Ovi-like release on his shot.  Depending on what the ultimate status ends up with Vrana, I could protect Sprong.


Honestly I think the Caps are better off this draft than the Vegas one because we have less "prime young" talent hanging out there..  We lost Schmidt who I liked, but I can't say I would have protected him over Nisky THAT year.  We needed Nisky I think more than Schmidt (calm down Lil) ;)



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday March 22, 2021, 08:49:33 PM Eastern
The league has said the rules for this expansion draft will be exactly the same as the Vegas draft.


I still don't think I protect Carlson, and hope Seatle takes that contract off our hands
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 22, 2021, 09:06:33 PM Eastern
The league has said the rules for this expansion draft will be exactly the same as the Vegas draft.


I still don't think I protect Carlson, and hope Seatle takes that contract off our hands


Shame on you.  He is the golden boy of offensive defensemen.  Our own true Norris candidate.


WTF ever his name was from Canada who used to post here and explode every time anyone would infer anything negative about Johnny Q Carlson is rolling over in his virtual message board grave about now.



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday March 22, 2021, 09:25:52 PM Eastern

Shame on you.  He is the golden boy of offensive defensemen.  Our own true Norris candidate.


WTF ever his name was from Canada who used to post here and explode every time anyone would infer anything negative about Johnny Q Carlson is rolling over in his virtual message board grave about now.


Even if the NHL didn't freeze the salary cap for at least two years because of the wuhan, it would be a bad contract.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday March 23, 2021, 10:09:13 AM Eastern


(2)  What happens, if the Caps' season is over, to players such as Vrana and Siegenthaler, who are likely to be unsigned RFA's at the time of the draft.  Are they exempt from selection, or must they be protected in order to assure they are not selected?


I don't know for sure, but I'd "think" if they're unsigned, they can be exposed like anyone else, but it'd be a risk for Seattle to select them cause all they'd be guaranteed to get is the 1st chance to negotiate/sign them?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Tuesday March 23, 2021, 10:15:17 PM Eastern
I usually don't pay attention to this because it's pure speculation, but it's a slow week for Caps fans...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/03/23/mock-expansion-draft-3-0-who-is-seattle-kraken-bound/
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Tuesday March 23, 2021, 11:00:18 PM Eastern
That'd be a pretty bold move! Doubt they leave him unprotected though..
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 24, 2021, 08:34:10 AM Eastern
The salary cap is frozen at least until the end of the 21-22 season, and since its directly linked to league revenue it may be longer. The Caps have to dump a big contract, not just a couple small ones. As such, Carlson is the odd man out, IMO.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/washington-capitals/cap/ (https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/washington-capitals/cap/)


Kuzy is the next big contract on the list, but at this point it's easier to replace a Dman than it is a good half decent center.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday March 24, 2021, 12:01:24 PM Eastern
I'd be shocked if they left ANY of the big contract guys exposed. They may need to move one, but just letting them go for free to expansion probably isn't the way they'll go about it. Probably trade and try and get pics or players back.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Wednesday March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 PM Eastern
I'd be shocked if they left ANY of the big contract guys exposed. They may need to move one, but just letting them go for free to expansion probably isn't the way they'll go about it. Probably trade and try and get pics or players back.


right now they've got enough guys in the system to not need any new personnel, they are also very cheap
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday March 24, 2021, 12:41:09 PM Eastern
Okay so their mock expansion draft protected list pretty much is same as mine except:


I protected Eller and they chose Panik.  I'm okay with that only based on Panik's play this year, but I still think Eller would be harder to replace than Panik for the Caps (we have more 3/4 wingers than centers) so I'm protecting Eller (and he needs protecting)  :snicker: 


and


They protected SHultz where I protected Orlov.  I'd be fine to lose Orlov (for salary) but he has a NMC so how can he be left exposed?  According to the rules any player with a NMC has to e protected.  Orlov's contract has a NMC for its entire duration.  He would have to waive that NMC to be left exposed so I don't think that's reality to leave him exposed.


The caps could move Orlov after the season if it's just a salary Dump - and possible get something in return whereas the draft....you get nothing.







Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Monday April 05, 2021, 03:07:24 PM Eastern
So any thoughts about Vrana being scratched for last two games?  I wouldn't think that he would be up for trade, however, it is clear that management has not been thrilled with something about him as two different coaches have now benched him. 



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday April 05, 2021, 04:02:52 PM Eastern
So any thoughts about Vrana being scratched for last two games?  I wouldn't think that he would be up for trade, however, it is clear that management has not been thrilled with something about him as two different coaches have now benched him.


I wouldn't have thought he was a candidate for trade a few days ago simply because it doesn't move enough salary. But I think he's definitely a candidate now. The problem is he still won't create enough room for the Caps to get the only thing the really need, another good center. The Caps have great depth at D, and there is a contract I'd move just because of the salary cap problems.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 05, 2021, 04:46:30 PM Eastern
Vrana is 3.35m Cap hit, but his contract expires end of this season.  SO...If you are not enthralled with him, AND you don't plan to resign him, and you want something for him, then I could see them trading him.


He's been pretty one-dimensional.  I didn't like him when he first arrived, then he seemed to pick up his game and I liked him a bit more and appeared to have the ability to be a 30g guy, and now he has digressed a bit.  I watch him and he seems more lost without the puck than he should at this point in his career.  When he has the puck he can be pretty dynamic and his got killer jump and speed, but just doesn't do much otherwise.  He seems timid without the puck.  He's not good on the PP IMO either because he is too stagnant like he's waiting for something.  You have to be able to create/find your own spaces and earn the puck....not just stand around and wait for someone to give it to you so you can burn them with speed.  I don't think he's lazy, just not very motivated to do other things away from the puck very well.

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Monday April 05, 2021, 04:53:13 PM Eastern
I think he's just in the dog house at the moment. If he comes back and coach doesn't see what he needs, I suppose they could try and trade or leave him open for the expansion. I don't think benching a player does much for their trade value though. If they really were considering it, they'd just keep playing him and try and make a move as soon as possible, imo.


Sheary brings much of the same "stuff" Vrana does. And as a UFA they could probably sign him for half what they're paying Vrana. But if they want Sheary back, somebody (possibly Vrana) gotta go! Same with Ovie.. Apparently he aint gonna settle for the same thing he's making now. Somebody (else) gotta go..


Caps are in that salary cap pickle jar and aint getting out anytime soon.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 05, 2021, 06:12:53 PM Eastern
I think he's just in the dog house at the moment. If he comes back and coach doesn't see what he needs, I suppose they could try and trade or leave him open for the expansion. I don't think benching a player does much for their trade value though. If they really were considering it, they'd just keep playing him and try and make a move as soon as possible, imo.


Sheary brings much of the same "stuff" Vrana does. And as a UFA they could probably sign him for half what they're paying Vrana. But if they want Sheary back, somebody (possibly Vrana) gotta go! Same with Ovie.. Apparently he aint gonna settle for the same thing he's making now. Somebody (else) gotta go..


Caps are in that salary cap pickle jar and aint getting out anytime soon.


I thought the same about leaving him available, but IF he is not under contract, then I doubt he would be selected (or even can he be?)  I don't know if he counts as unprotected if he is an RFA not under contract?


And you are right about the pickle, but we've been in this jar for years and next year it only get's worse.


Ovie could really F it up if he isn't somewhat team friendly in negotiations.  I'm sure both he and ownership want him to return, but at what cost?  I'm sure they will pay it for all the wrong and some of the right reasons, but if Ovi decides to force the issue he could handicap any chance of real success moving forward.  The team is already in decline, and we have some young talent and currently a glut of D, but let's face it, the stars of this team are all in declining years...including Carlson.  Willy is about the only one still in his prime or improving.  I guess you could say Kuzy is still in his prime, but he is so.....Kuzy.  They need to have room to acquire some talent elsewhere.  It's bad now, but it's going to get worse next year and worse yet with Ovi's new deal.  And what the hell they going to do when they actually have to pay a goalie a real contract salary?  Vitek and Sammy combined make only $1.54m and Sammy's contract is up this year and he is an RFA.
If they sign Ovie to a bigger $$ then they will HAVE to offload someone with SERIOUS $$$ salary.  THat's either Kuzy or Carlson or Oshie or Orlov.  (No way am I even putting Tom in that list)
But guess what....every name I mentioned has a no trade clause of some kind, so that does not make it impossible, but at least more difficult.


Orlov's is the easiest with a 5 team  NO TRADE list
Oshie's has 10 team NO TRADE list
Kuzy and Carlson have 15 team NO TRADE list.


Honestly I think Orlov or Carlson would be the easiest to move as teams always need D.  I doubt very much the Caps would consider moving Carlson though.  Oshie is a great competitor, but he's old...so not sure how much you'd get in return (unless you are purely just dumping salary)  Kuzy would probably be relatively easy to move depending on how he plays out the year (and what he does in the off season) but Caps are already short on C already so....


And IF they move Orlov....that's not enough to get them out of trouble.  Ovie's new deal will more than fill up for what Orlov (and his replacement) save.


We are heavy on D this year, but Groot is gone after the season (unless he will play for peanuts again) and we don't have a lot of D in Hershey with any experience.  Kempney will be back, but in what condition?  And what will Jenson be like without big Z?  Ziggy is about our only young D talent with any real experience.  I'd be fine with moving Orlov and letting Ziggy and Fever both play full time.  (or give Alexeyev, or Geisser a real shot)




Or dump Kuzy and bring up McMichael to be 2C. 


Side note:  Caps still show Liam O'brien as "in the system" on the website but he signed a AHL deal with Colorado this summer and actually is now on the NHL club.  WTF caps....dude hasn't been on your team this year and you still show him as one of your prospects?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 05, 2021, 06:21:51 PM Eastern
Oh and Shulz is $4m cap hit this year but a $5m cap hit next year.


Move Orlov and Shultz and save $10m.  I'm okay with losing either or both for $5m a pop.  Then Let Ziggy play.  Kempney will be back and if he's a wash play Fever.



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Monday April 05, 2021, 10:50:05 PM Eastern
Yea, when the time comes, I hope they move D to free up the $.. But if they move a forward, I hope it's Kuzy other then Oshie.. Oshie still has a couple good years in him! Injury is really my only concern about Oshie.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday April 06, 2021, 09:10:49 AM Eastern
The Oshie and Backstrom contracts will start to really hurt next year.  I think what we may not appreciate much is how hard it is going to be to move players with bigger contracts.  The revenue loss of the pandemic will make it much harder to make trades and Caps management has never traded "their guys" - the core of the team.


In order to not get stuck in a five year decline and rebuild, here are four aggressive moves:


1) Play hardball with Ovi.  How many teams are going to be able to pay Ovi $10 million plus on a multi-year deal? The teams that could afford him won't be contenders and is Ovi really going to leave for a couple million more to go to Buffalo, Detroit,...?  I'm not saying to low-ball him, but if he wants a three year deal or more, we aren't in a position to write a blank check if we want be a playoff team, much less contend for the Cup.


2) Trade Carlson.  I actually think we have some good depth with Ziggy and Fever.  Some team might be stupid enough to give us a couple of high draft picks.  Remember, he is a Norris candidate!


3) Leave Oshie and Backstrom exposed in the expansion draft.  I love them both, but their contracts hurt and one or both will be in significant decline over the next several years. Plus it helps us retain other younger/cheaper guys.


4) Trade Kuzy - I think there are plenty of teams that think Kuzy could be a superstar and we could get back a great return.  I used to think Kuzy was a never-trade guy, but he just keeps cruising through game after game and I suspect the other players in the lockerroom are tired of his act.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Tuesday April 06, 2021, 10:03:31 AM Eastern
Hopefully OV is happy with $10M, he's about at that point where he makes as much or more from endorsements anyway, plus, if he's been smart, his great grandkids can live very comfortably.


Some of these guys have to know what's coming with the salary cap being frozen


also, if they are going to dump Vrana and Kuzy they gotta keep Backy, if he stays at his current salary, and Oshie. Otherwise I think it's too much turnover at one time. The Caps only have so much talent ready to move up.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday April 06, 2021, 10:46:58 AM Eastern
I'm okay/agree with all four things Beaglefan offered.  Hate to see these guys go, but


I would HOPE Ovi is reasonable in his contract negotiations.  Yes he is a superstar without equal.  The best goal scorer in.....who knows...ever maybe.  Yes he is the face of the franchise and one of the biggest superstars of the NHL.  But....what can you really afford to pay him and he should realize that, and IF he cares about leading and winning with this team and not just the money and the goal record, then he should man up and be reasonable.


The reality of the current market is what it is.  I think Beaglefan is right in that only a handful of teams could really afford him.


Looking at 2020 projected cap situation: (based on all roster players at beginning of season)


Detroit has $8.77m cap space
LA Kings has $8.45m
Devils 8.35m
Ottowa has $7.57m
NY Rangers has $3.92m


Everyone else has 3m or less and some teams are way over.  Tampa is 17m over.  (17.7m on LTIR)


I looked up current cap space and its way deceiving.  It shows Chicago with 14m, but they have 20m+ in LTIR players.
Pittsburgh shows 8m currently, but again ...Malkin's LTIR saves 9.5m.
Detroit has 10m in current cap space, but also 10m on LTIR


Looks like the Devils actually have the best CURRENT cap situation with 9.9m space and 0 on LTIR.  (and they pay PK Subban 9m a year - ouch)
Kings with 9.7 and about 4.7 on LTIR
Ottawa with 9.1 space, but 13+ on LTIR




It's all speculation at this point and certainly much will change in the offseason, but with the revenue streams and cap situation of the NHL being suspect for years to come....who could really afford to pay an aging superstar bookoo bucks?


All things being considered....$10m a year should be a fair number for Ovie.  What team could pay him $50m over the next 5 seasons?


The question is ...how much pride is involved with being top paid guy?  Currently Ovi is 15th highest paid in the league at 9.52m.  If you jump him to 11 that ties him at #5.  11.7 gets him second place to McDavid's 12.5m


Problem is all those contracts were made in better days.  Teams can't afford stupid money as well as they could only 3 years ago.


Ovi is more valuable to the Caps for marketing reasons than he would to some other teams, but Caps are so cap strapped, paying Ovie top NHL pay would handicap the ability to pay enough talent to have a truly competitive team.  I hope Ovi sees that (and actually cares)


We shall see.


I am a little surprised the Caps signed Backy for the amount and length of contract they actually did, but 5 years isn't totally horrible.









Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Tuesday April 06, 2021, 12:35:35 PM Eastern
Lavi has got to let Seigs and Van Riemsdyk get some ice time. I think Seigs can fill in well enough that the Caps won't miss Carlsons contract.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday April 06, 2021, 02:15:46 PM Eastern
Lavi has got to let Seigs and Van Riemsdyk get some ice time. I think Seigs can fill in well enough that the Caps won't miss Carlsons contract.


I think Seigs should be playing now.  Bet he would be if Groot hadn't fell in our lap.  Ziggy not playing is hurting his long term development.  He could be a future top 4 D guy (or not), but letting him watch isn't helping his or the Caps' future.


I will eat my hat if the Caps trade Carlson.  I don't disagree with trading him based on our cap situation, current D structure, etc, but I'll be flat out shocked if that happens.  He DOES have the most trade value.
Another option is you trade Shulz AND Orlov (which saves save 10+ million next year), but then you are dependent on 2 guys who did not play at all this year as full time guys (TVR and Ziggy) AND Kempney being viable for top 4 time.  And I'm not sure how much you get in return for Shulz.  He's been solid enough and no injuries so who knows. And a lot more adjusting going on there.


If Ovie wants a pay raise....  a lot of changes are going to have to happen movement wise.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday April 06, 2021, 04:55:48 PM Eastern
After this year, if the Caps have Ovi, Backstrom, Carlson and Oshie on the same team, they are not going anywhere.  Too much salary on those four guys that are aging and have already won their Cup. I think it is unlikely that the Caps management is aggressive enough to shake up this team and we will have a two to four year period of decline.  It happens to all teams eventually, so its our turn. Thankfully, we did win the Cup!
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Surreylily on Wednesday April 07, 2021, 10:09:35 AM Eastern
The Oshie and Backstrom contracts will start to really hurt next year.  I think what we may not appreciate much is how hard it is going to be to move players with bigger contracts.  The revenue loss of the pandemic will make it much harder to make trades and Caps management has never traded "their guys" - the core of the team.


In order to not get stuck in a five year decline and rebuild, here are four aggressive moves:


1) Play hardball with Ovi.  How many teams are going to be able to pay Ovi $10 million plus on a multi-year deal? The teams that could afford him won't be contenders and is Ovi really going to leave for a couple million more to go to Buffalo, Detroit,...?  I'm not saying to low-ball him, but if he wants a three year deal or more, we aren't in a position to write a blank check if we want be a playoff team, much less contend for the Cup.


2) Trade Carlson.  I actually think we have some good depth with Ziggy and Fever.  Some team might be stupid enough to give us a couple of high draft picks.  Remember, he is a Norris candidate!


3) Leave Oshie and Backstrom exposed in the expansion draft.  I love them both, but their contracts hurt and one or both will be in significant decline over the next several years. Plus it helps us retain other younger/cheaper guys.


4) Trade Kuzy - I think there are plenty of teams that think Kuzy could be a superstar and we could get back a great return.  I used to think Kuzy was a never-trade guy, but he just keeps cruising through game after game and I suspect the other players in the lockerroom are tired of his act.


I'll eat my onesie if Carlson or Nicky get traded. Just not gonna happen..
I would hate to see Oshie go, but that is far more feasble, imho.  I really hope not, but it's the lesser of the greater evils in my book.  There are others we could and SHOULD offload first.
Kuzy is top of the list for me.  Has been for a while now.  Too much of the Semins about him for my liking.   All the talent on the planet, just can't get that rocket up his jacksy every game.   Hugely talented.  Hugely lazy.  Been riiding on Ovi's coattails for far too long, imho
I'll also agree with Jake the Snake.  Pretty one dimensonal.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Surreylily on Wednesday April 07, 2021, 10:55:11 AM Eastern
Who would I keep/ leave?

Well the core...... is just the core.  Ovi, Nicky Dylan.   They ARE what's left of the core.  They are not going anywhere  Unles Carlson actuay asks for a transfer.. 

Pretty much everyne is up for grabs.
II hope we keep Oshie. and Eller.
I would not cry too much if ether of our goulies went in the expansiion.  Wev'e always been pretty good t goalies....
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday April 07, 2021, 11:26:21 AM Eastern
They definitely need to find (start looking for) a new Ovie, Nicky, Oshie. Thought Vrana may pan out but he's none of that. McMichael is a possibility at C, but "scoring" wingers who are physical and can protect the puck and play 200', Im not seeing anyone even in the realm unfortunately.. It's gonna be unfun here in a couple years..  :-(  Not really worried about the D, I think they'll be ok there. Goalies, they'll be ok there too, I think.


Thing about Vrana is, he has decent size, can fly, great shot, etc. but just doesn't have any/much tenacity. If some of Oshie could rub off on him, that'd be awesome.


NOTE: Panik has been put on waivers..
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday April 07, 2021, 02:29:50 PM Eastern
Panik on Waivers?  I guess this is just to clear cap space, but for what reason?  Clearing cap space would lend toward bringing someone in, not shipping someone out.



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Wednesday April 07, 2021, 03:19:49 PM Eastern
It gives the team less than $2M in cap space. If they are going to bring someone else in they are going to need more room




https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/07/capitals-place-richard-panik-on-waivers/
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday April 07, 2021, 06:41:22 PM Eastern
It gives the team less than $2M in cap space. If they are going to bring someone else in they are going to need more room




https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/07/capitals-place-richard-panik-on-waivers/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/07/capitals-place-richard-panik-on-waivers/)


Yep, but only makes sense if they were already talking with someone about another piece and needed to clear some on top of whomever they planned on moving.
That or they just aren't planning on playing him and had to put him on waivers in order to move him to the taxi and if someone claims him, then they have that salary to spend


I really don't see the Caps doing much at trade deadline.  What could they afford to do that would help them?  Unless they plan on moving a big piece, but I don't see that happening until after season.


Hey Maybe they plan on trading Kuzy for Forsberg and saving 2mil a year to boot?  (like Nashville would be interested)

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Wednesday April 07, 2021, 11:44:44 PM Eastern
It would've been nice if the Devils sent these two to a different division ...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/07/islanders-acquire-kyle-palmeri-travis-zajac-from-devils-for-a-j-greer-mason-jobst-2021-first-round-pick-conditional-2022-fourth/
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday April 08, 2021, 10:07:52 AM Eastern
How the hell did they find the cap space?  :huh: Whatever.. Fuck em'!!  :uh-huh:
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: canadiancapman on Thursday April 08, 2021, 10:47:28 AM Eastern
Lee is on LTIR, that's how they got cap room. We need to somehow get Bennett from Calgary. If the NYI get him as well, look out.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday April 08, 2021, 12:20:25 PM Eastern
Panik cleared waivers. Opens up a couple bucks if we choose to spend it..
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday April 08, 2021, 02:48:26 PM Eastern
It would've been nice if the Devils sent these two to a different division ...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/07/islanders-acquire-kyle-palmeri-travis-zajac-from-devils-for-a-j-greer-mason-jobst-2021-first-round-pick-conditional-2022-fourth/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/07/islanders-acquire-kyle-palmeri-travis-zajac-from-devils-for-a-j-greer-mason-jobst-2021-first-round-pick-conditional-2022-fourth/)


Yikes.  Like we need the Islanders improving their squad.   I thought the Isles were in cap trouble this year?.
Oh, and Isles Anders Lee and Johnny Boychuck on LTIR give them 13mil in LTIR Cap space.


Devils now have $36.5m in Cap space.  (which is about $15m below the cap floor)  Not sure how the cap floor works with guys on LTIR.  Sure looks like Devils will be buying in the off season.


Hell the Devils could afford Ovi, Backy, Kuzy & Carlson combined.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Thursday April 08, 2021, 05:19:49 PM Eastern
the Caps really need to dump Carlson’s contract
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: capsfanpdx on Thursday April 08, 2021, 05:37:19 PM Eastern


Anyone think sitting Sprong is pre-dealish?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Thursday April 08, 2021, 05:44:14 PM Eastern

Anyone think sitting Sprong is pre-dealish?


if the Caps deal off Sprong they are stupid




actually, let me rephrase that. If the Caps deal off Sprong the are fucking stupid
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: capsfanpdx on Thursday April 08, 2021, 05:49:35 PM Eastern

if the Caps deal off Sprong they are stupid




actually, let me rephrase that. If the Caps deal off Sprong the are fucking stupid
Ha, yeah    just wondering after the CArr callup why is he the one sitting?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Thursday April 08, 2021, 05:50:33 PM Eastern
Ha, yeah    just wondering after the CArr callup why is he the one sitting?


I don't know, it makes no sense to me
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday April 08, 2021, 07:09:23 PM Eastern
Didn't they just sign him to two year contract for peanuts.  $725k


He's definitely worth 725k for this year and next.


I don't think it's trade issue.  What would he be worth in a trade?  He's definitely not shaving salary Cap so...


Meh.  I think it's just to give Carr some work.  Maybe it's Carr they want to move, so they want to get him playing?





Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Sunday April 11, 2021, 04:07:26 PM Eastern
They could’ve at least sent Seigs to a different division...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/11/capitals-trade-jonas-siegenthaler-to-devils-for-coyotes-2021-third-round-pick/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/11/capitals-trade-jonas-siegenthaler-to-devils-for-coyotes-2021-third-round-pick/)
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Sunday April 11, 2021, 04:15:04 PM Eastern
In an interview the other day, king hendrik said he knew before he signed with the Caps he was going to need open heart surgery. How much of that do you think he shared with management?

Caps need to dump this contract too...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/11/henrik-lundqvist-announces-that-his-goal-is-to-join-capitals-for-end-of-season/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/11/henrik-lundqvist-announces-that-his-goal-is-to-join-capitals-for-end-of-season/)
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday April 12, 2021, 03:09:56 PM Eastern
Trade deadline hit at 3:00pm local, I haven’t seen anything regarding the Caps hit the wires.
So hopefully they didn’t make any dumb trades for a rental.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: justwincaps on Monday April 12, 2021, 04:02:19 PM Eastern
Vrana, Panik, a first and a second???  For Mantha? 

Yikes!!
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Monday April 12, 2021, 04:08:17 PM Eastern
BOY HOWDY IS THIS AWESOME!!!


A 6' 5" power forward that can hit, score, fight, & play all over the ice? 


Hells ya!!


He & Willy are gonna be hell incarnate!
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: justwincaps on Monday April 12, 2021, 04:24:02 PM Eastern
The more I think about this, the more I actually like it.  My first thought was that the price was too high.  But then I started thinking:
1) Vrana is persona non grata with Lavy.
2) Panik is already on the taxi squad and we dumped his contract. 
3) Apparently the 2021 draft class is weaker than we’ve recently had so losing that 1st may hurt less.
4) since Mantha is signed for 3 more years, this isn’t a rental.

So, it’s one guy Lavy isn’t playing plus one guy on the taxi squad plus a weaker than normal first plus the 2022 2nd for another Tom Wilson signed for the balance of our Cup window with Ovy/Backy.

In that light, I’m liking this trade more and more. 
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: capsfanpdx on Monday April 12, 2021, 04:25:46 PM Eastern


Lavs had no patience left for Vrana and he was so light on the puck it was maddening!

Fat Tony is definitely a playoff body, I like it!
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Monday April 12, 2021, 04:39:53 PM Eastern
Didn't see that coming.. I'll miss Jake The Snake, but he never really turned into what everyone was hoping. Sounds like Mantha is a big boy who can play! Guess we'll see.. Raffl doesn't sound bad either!

Jake can thank Sheary for taking his spot! If he had Sheary's tenacity on the puck this wouldn't of happened.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 12, 2021, 04:44:04 PM Eastern
Wow?  Really?


Basically everything JUSTWIN said...


I am still surprised.


But one thing....Now that he is on the Caps, will he be allowed to hit people without suffering a suspension?  :smirk:

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 12, 2021, 04:55:23 PM Eastern
That makes Mantha the 6th highest paid Cap at $5.7m


Caps are about $279k over the cap limit....although I am sure there is some allowed overage


and




Who the hell is Michael Raffl?  Picked him up from Philthy.


https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2021/04/12/capitals-acquire-michael-raffl-from-flyers-in-last-minute-trade-deadline-deal/

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: zerofox on Monday April 12, 2021, 04:57:42 PM Eastern
The Raffl trade I don't know what the point was.

The Mantha trade initially carried some shock value...primarily because I knew not much about Mantha and saw that we lost one of our young talented guys. And too often have we seen young talented guys not work out here but flourish elsewhere.

But the more I think about it, the more I love it.

Mantha is a big rig who can score.

Vrana was just becoming a total salty sourpuss. Cultural cancer. Him giving zero shits after scoring a GWG is concerning. You need players who are pulling on the rope and who want what's best for the team.

Vrana was also pretty weak on the puck and didn't bring enough of his A-game. We need compete. I'm glad Lavi is making players accountable.

Now get Kuzy to play like the 2018 playoff version of himself.


Edit: My lack of mention about Panik being traded away should tell you all what I think about Panik.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: zerofox on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:02:41 PM Eastern
The more I think about this, the more I actually like it.  My first thought was that the price was too high.  But then I started thinking:
1) Vrana is persona non grata with Lavy.
2) Panik is already on the taxi squad and we dumped his contract. 
3) Apparently the 2021 draft class is weaker than we’ve recently had so losing that 1st may hurt less.
4) since Mantha is signed for 3 more years, this isn’t a rental.

So, it’s one guy Lavy isn’t playing plus one guy on the taxi squad plus a weaker than normal first plus the 2022 2nd for another Tom Wilson signed for the balance of our Cup window with Ovy/Backy.

In that light, I’m liking this trade more and more.


Agree 100%
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: zerofox on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:05:34 PM Eastern
Didn't see that coming.. I'll miss Jake The Snake, but he never really turned into what everyone was hoping. Sounds like Mantha is a big boy who can play! Guess we'll see.. Raffl doesn't sound bad either!

Jake can thank Sheary for taking his spot! If he had Sheary's tenacity on the puck this wouldn't of happened.


We may have lost Jake's potential but we also lost his attitude and on/off laziness, which is a net positive for us. Can't afford to have a mopey player bringing down the locker room.


Jake probably had a different idea of what a "non compete clause" really means.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:08:43 PM Eastern
This says they announced this just after 3:00, I think their clocks are a tad off. This trade looks good.

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/report-capitals-acquire-anthony-mantha-from-red-wings-for-jakub-vrana-richard-panik/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/report-capitals-acquire-anthony-mantha-from-red-wings-for-jakub-vrana-richard-panik/)


not sure about this one


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/report-capitals-acquire-left-winger-michael-raffl-from-flyers/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/report-capitals-acquire-left-winger-michael-raffl-from-flyers/)
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:10:43 PM Eastern
The Raffl trade I don't know what the point was.

The Mantha trade initially carried some shock value...primarily because I knew not much about Mantha and saw that we lost one of our young talented guys. And too often have we seen young talented guys not work out here but flourish elsewhere.

But the more I think about it, the more I love it.

Mantha is a big rig who can score.

Vrana was just becoming a total salty sourpuss. Cultural cancer. Him giving zero shits after scoring a GWG is concerning. You need players who are pulling on the rope and who want what's best for the team.

Vrana was also pretty weak on the puck and didn't bring enough of his A-game. We need compete. I'm glad Lavi is making players accountable.

Now get Kuzy to play like the 2018 playoff version of himself.


Edit: My lack of mention about Panik being traded away should tell you all what I think about Panik.


I didn't know anything about either player but looking ant Mantha - the Caps just got bigger and a whole hell of a lot tougher to play against.  I liked Jake, but he was not progressing and he hurt the team most of the time he was on the ice, not to mention if there were off ice whiney issues. (who really knows)
Raffl looks to be a bottom six guy who can kill some penalties and be defensively responsible.  Basically a replacement for Panik at about 1/3 of the price.


Other than the draft pics, I really like this move.  Bigger, Tougher, AND under contract for 3 years....we were Losing Vrana end of the year anyway- No way we were going to pay him 4+mill to keep him.


How much does it suck for Jake to go from a contender to a bottom feeder team (Sorry DC).  Maybe the move will be good for Jake and he finds his game in Detroit.


Now if only I could actually watch the games.... >:(

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:21:20 PM Eastern
The problem with Mantha is that his big problem with Detroit seems to be -- inconsistency and a lack of competitiveness at times.  [size=78%]So have we traded Ferrari Vrana for 18-wheeler Vrana?  [/size]
[/size]
[/size][size=78%]Maybe the Caps suspect that Mantha was getting frustrated by Detroit's lack of recent success, and they figure he will be reinvigorated by the change of scenery.  It isn't that Mantha is a big hitter or fighter or anything.  I think the price was awfully high, but the prevailing attitude was that the Caps were willing to do whatever it takes to make a splash in the playoffs this year.  I'd be happier with the trade if Glendening were coming back in addition to Mantha, but I guess what is, is.[/size]


I keep hearing about the Caps being all in for the Cup again this year, but I don't think that they can be considered anything more than a wildcard in the Stanley Cup playoffs as long as they have zero playoff experience in goal.  We really have no clue what we are going to get in net when the regular season ends.


So Mantha is seen as a top 6 scoring winger.  If he and Wilson are the top 6 right wings, that would seem to move Oshie down to the 3rd line.  Maybe not a bad idea in a way, since Oshie is considered a good defensive player, but the problem is that his offensive output figures to drop off playing with Eller, who has never been a great playmaker.  It isn't clear to me that the Caps are upgrading themselves scoring-wise at all.


Maybe they want to try and win the cup by scaring everyone to death with bulk.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:22:19 PM Eastern
I have no idea how the font got screwed up in my previous post.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:22:34 PM Eastern
Mantha is a RW but shoots left :huh:  (so was Panik I guess)


Wonder where they put him.  I would assume top 6 but that means 2/3 of Sheary, Sprong & Oshie will be 3rd line.  Oshie makes it work anywhere.


I dig it.  I like big manly men type players.  This could be really good for playoff hockey.


Now if we could just decide on a netminder....and not allow 3 or more goals a game...



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:24:28 PM Eastern
I have no idea how the font got screwed up in my previous post.


backspace key does it to me every time.


And I agree with you on the Caps ALL IN this year idea....is not realistic.  I mean they essentially have to be with the age of the core group, and this trade was definitely a move hopefully to improve but....I'm not feeling a serious SC run.


Please prove me wrong.  Go Caps
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:34:28 PM Eastern
I like the guy they got but I think they overpaid substantially. If they hadn't scratched Vrana and put Panik on waivers, they would have had more trade value.  I just hate giving up a first and a second. We spend draft picks like we have a lot of them.  Based on the comments on NHL radio, Mantha is good but hasn't ever lived up to expectations and we way overpaid.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: zerofox on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:52:17 PM Eastern

backspace key does it to me every time.


And I agree with you on the Caps ALL IN this year idea....is not realistic.  I mean they essentially have to be with the age of the core group, and this trade was definitely a move hopefully to improve but....I'm not feeling a serious SC run.


Please prove me wrong.  Go Caps


I think overall age across the roster and inexperience in net will be big issues for us. Our positives are size and defensive depth, but I have a feeling that the negatives may outweigh the positives. I am on team Lavi though, I think he's a solid coach and I do hope he can take us to a Cup win, just not thinking it will be this year.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 12, 2021, 05:58:08 PM Eastern
So....


Since Mantha is coming from Detroit to Washingtion...Technically he has to cross over the Canadian border to do so.    :wackysmile:


Does this mean he has to meet the NHL mandate of 7 days in quarantine since he's crossing the Canadian border?  :raspberry:


((unless he drives to Toledo first, and no way in hell he wants to drive to Toledo)
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday April 12, 2021, 06:14:35 PM Eastern
So....


Since Mantha is coming from Detroit to Washingtion...Technically he has to cross over the Canadian border to do so.    :wackysmile:


Does this mean he has to meet the NHL mandate of 7 days in quarantine since he's crossing the Canadian border?  :raspberry:


((unless he drives to Toledo first, and no way in hell he wants to drive to Toledo)


 :-|
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Monday April 12, 2021, 07:51:34 PM Eastern
the Caps really need to dump Carlson’s contract
     Why would you dump Carlson? He is too valuable offensively and on the PP.  We have no one close to him offensively.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Monday April 12, 2021, 07:56:32 PM Eastern
The Raffl trade I don't know what the point was.

The Mantha trade initially carried some shock value...primarily because I knew not much about Mantha and saw that we lost one of our young talented guys. And too often have we seen young talented guys not work out here but flourish elsewhere.

But the more I think about it, the more I love it.

Mantha is a big rig who can score.

Vrana was just becoming a total salty sourpuss. Cultural cancer. Him giving zero shits after scoring a GWG is concerning. You need players who are pulling on the rope and who want what's best for the team.

Vrana was also pretty weak on the puck and didn't bring enough of his A-game. We need compete. I'm glad Lavi is making players accountable.

Now get Kuzy to play like the 2018 playoff version of himself.


Edit: My lack of mention about Panik being traded away should tell you all what I think about Panik.
     I don't think Panik is a terrible player but he is pretty average at everything.
He is more of a role player. We just didn't have a role for him.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Monday April 12, 2021, 07:59:59 PM Eastern
I like the guy they got but I think they overpaid substantially. If they hadn't scratched Vrana and put Panik on waivers, they would have had more trade value.  I just hate giving up a first and a second. We spend draft picks like we have a lot of them.  Based on the comments on NHL radio, Mantha is good but hasn't ever lived up to expectations and we way overpaid.
     I pretty much agree. I like Manta and I have no problem seeing Panik and Vrana gone. The 2 drafts picks thrown in is quite bit.
     Vrana did this to himself.  Most here have commented about his lack of effort over the past few years.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Monday April 12, 2021, 09:20:32 PM Eastern
How the hell did they find the cap space?  :huh: Whatever.. Fuck em'!!  :uh-huh:




Vrana's cap hit was 3+ million and Panik 2 1/4 million, or something like that.  Throw in the jettisoning of Siegenthaler and I think the room is there.  Maybe there with Vrana and Panik combined, which is how they afforded to add Raffl, or whatever his name is.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: canadiancapman on Monday April 12, 2021, 10:14:17 PM Eastern
Raffl is solid and sound defensively. Will probably be used on the pk. A good pick up for the bottom 6 role.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: canadiancapman on Monday April 12, 2021, 10:16:24 PM Eastern
Anyone know what kempny's status is right now. It would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday April 12, 2021, 11:00:34 PM Eastern
so Vrana was moping because he wanted more ice time, but he didn't really earn it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/capitals-gm-brian-maclellan-on-trading-jakub-vrana-we-had-a-frustrated-player-so-we-tried-to-move-on-from-that/
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 03:38:28 AM Eastern
So....


Since Mantha is coming from Detroit to Washingtion...Technically he has to cross over the Canadian border to do so.    :wackysmile:


Does this mean he has to meet the NHL mandate of 7 days in quarantine since he's crossing the Canadian border?  :raspberry:


((unless he drives to Toledo first, and no way in hell he wants to drive to Toledo)
Toledos actually pretty cool, (definitely try Tony Pacos if you can), but the real thing you wanna avoid is the PA Turnpike!   Thats  the worst god damn excuse for a road on the planet, & they charge to drive on those potholes & collapsing tunnels 🤣🤣🤣

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 03:51:05 AM Eastern
The problem with Mantha is that his big problem with Detroit seems to be -- inconsistency and a lack of competitiveness at times.  [size=78%]So have we traded Ferrari Vrana for 18-wheeler Vrana?  [/size]

[size=78%]Maybe the Caps suspect that Mantha was getting frustrated by Detroit's lack of recent success, and they figure he will be reinvigorated by the change of scenery.  It isn't that Mantha is a big hitter or fighter or anything.  I think the price was awfully high, but the prevailing attitude was that the Caps were willing to do whatever it takes to make a splash in the playoffs this year.  I'd be happier with the trade if Glendening were coming back in addition to Mantha, but I guess what is, is.[/size]


I keep hearing about the Caps being all in for the Cup again this year, but I don't think that they can be considered anything more than a wildcard in the Stanley Cup playoffs as long as they have zero playoff experience in goal.  We really have no clue what we are going to get in net when the regular season ends.


So Mantha is seen as a top 6 scoring winger.  If he and Wilson are the top 6 right wings, that would seem to move Oshie down to the 3rd line.  Maybe not a bad idea in a way, since Oshie is considered a good defensive player, but the problem is that his offensive output figures to drop off playing with Eller, who has never been a great playmaker.  It isn't clear to me that the Caps are upgrading themselves scoring-wise at all.


Maybe they want to try and win the cup by scaring everyone to death with bulk.
You clearly havent seen Mantha play. Hes easily one of top 6 complete forwards, regardless of what the top of the screen says when the game starts.


Yeah he had somw constancy issues with The Wings during the rebuild, but that standard in Detroit for that FAR higher their than it is here. In fact, Im more worried about Vrana slowing The Wings rebuild down with his pussy ass, lazy Eurotrash play.  Dont be surprised if he doesnt make it Motown.

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 03:58:34 AM Eastern
so Vrana was moping because he wanted more ice time, but he didn't really earn it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/capitals-gm-brian-maclellan-on-trading-jakub-vrana-we-had-a-frustrated-player-so-we-tried-to-move-on-from-that/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/12/capitals-gm-brian-maclellan-on-trading-jakub-vrana-we-had-a-frustrated-player-so-we-tried-to-move-on-from-that/)
Hes gonna have a tough time in Detroit if he doesn't man up.


But, Mike Green became twice the D-man after he went to Hockeytown, so there is a chance Vrana can too.  But they dont put up with that shit like we do/did here.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 04:49:23 AM Eastern
Another thing about Mantha, shot speed is up there with Ovie & Charas.


Check out the first goal on thus, then realize hell be with Ovie 😈
https://youtu.be/2GCdr63i90E (https://youtu.be/2GCdr63i90E)
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 07:18:04 AM Eastern
But see, a game like is shown in the video you posted doesn't answer questions about intensity and consistency, it raises them.  It shows one 4-goal game, isolated, by a guy who in his best years has been a 20+ goal scorer.  That ONE game shows massive talent.  Why doesn't total performance add up to more than what his stats say he is?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 08:35:16 AM Eastern
Raffl is solid and sound defensively. Will probably be used on the pk. A good pick up for the bottom 6 role.




The justification for Raffl is more than that.  Look at the LW depth on the Caps' chart.  THERE ISN'T ANY.  They had to get Raffl to even fill out the roster on the LW.


The LW on the team are now Ovie/Sheary/Hagelin/Raffl, and that is it.  No one from Hershey jumps out as a candidate to move up to fill a starting role on LW.  Given Vrana's move for a RW, the Caps had to make some sort of acquisition on the left side.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: capsfanpdx on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 01:24:52 PM Eastern
Another thing about Mantha, shot speed is up there with Ovie & Charas.


Check out the first goal on thus, then realize hell be with Ovie 😈
https://youtu.be/2GCdr63i90E (https://youtu.be/2GCdr63i90E)

My hope is he will be way better keeping the play alive on and off the boards.  Vrana was a lot of one and done in the zone.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 01:59:49 PM Eastern
Yes I think Mantha certainly has the ability to have more impact on this team.  Vranna is super speedy and super skilled, but he didn't drive play or even maintain it very well.  Like he was waiting for something most of the time.  Let's hope Mantha fits in well and works hard for us.  His size will certainly have an impact.  Mantha and Oshie on the same line will be a tough line to play against.  No idea what type of forechecker Mantha is, but I'd hope with his size he can grind in the corners.


I'm curious what Mantha thinks about the move to Washington.  I mean it's a competitive playoff team at least but it aint no real hockey town.  He's definitely going to have an opportunity here, but still wonder what the culture shock factor will be for him.



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 02:23:25 PM Eastern

20 minute Mantha highlight reel....

https://youtu.be/e_sqaMuhwWo
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 03:02:35 PM Eastern
Don't dislike Mantha but why is it the Caps always seem to overpay at the trade deadline?  If it took a 2nd round pick to get them to take Paniks contract, then we gave a first and Vrana for Mantha.  Yes, Mantha has two more years of term than Vrana, but I just think we overpaid.  I actually liked Panik.  He worked hard and would throw some checks pretty often - he just couldn't put the puck in the net enough.


So who sits if Raffl is starting?  Sprong?  If so, I hate to see that.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 04:43:57 PM Eastern
Don't dislike Mantha but why is it the Caps always seem to overpay at the trade deadline?  If it took a 2nd round pick to get them to take Paniks contract, then we gave a first and Vrana for Mantha.  Yes, Mantha has two more years of term than Vrana, but I just think we overpaid.  I actually liked Panik.  He worked hard and would throw some checks pretty often - he just couldn't put the puck in the net enough.


So who sits if Raffl is starting?  Sprong?  If so, I hate to see that.


I think most teams "buying"  will generally overpay a bit.  And I don't think you can break it down to simple a + B + c = D exactly.  It took a combination of things, and NO WAY would Detroit trade Mantha straight up for Vranna.  I do think we overpaid a bit, but I think Mantha will be a much better fit for this squad.  Yes we got bigger (and slower) as someone else posted, but a speedy Vrana didn't add up to much other than some highlight break away moments.  Pretty and exciting  - very much so when it happened, but other than that not a big enough plus for this team.  I think Mantha is a good fit for what the Caps wanted so he was "worth" more to the Caps than maybe some other teams.
Also, I don't think Panik was bad, he did hustle and hit, but they needed to move salary so....that's what happens


And I don't think it was a bad unbalanced trade.


We shall see how Mantha works out.  If he turns out to be a lazy bum, then it will look bad later, but who knows.


And Raffl is on IR for now so we don't have to worry about how to make room for him at the moment.


I miss Siegs already  :'( .  Them moving Siegs tells me they think by the time we would have needed him...Kempny will be back or Fever or Alexeyev will be ready.
I think Ziggy was one the Caps most responsible D last year. 


 
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 04:48:37 PM Eastern
But see, a game like is shown in the video you posted doesn't answer questions about intensity and consistency, it raises them.  It shows one 4-goal game, isolated, by a guy who in his best years has been a 20+ goal scorer.  That ONE game shows massive talent.  Why doesn't total performance add up to more than what his stats say he is?
. What I do see is you trying to twist the context of footage showing he has one of the harder shots in league to support the bullshit you heard about "consistency".  "But see", not once did I mention that there.

We get it, you already hate Mantha because you think it will make you look smart 

Besides, Mantha in low game, still plays harder than most of The Caps over the years, namely Kuzy & Carlson
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 05:47:23 PM Eastern
I don't hate Mantha.  You really like to put words in people's mouths that they don't say.


I just mentioned that word from Detroit and the league is that he has been inconsistent and his effort level has been reported as lower than expected at times.  I'm sure the Caps made this trade figuring to get a player who is much more motivated now that he is playing important games.  Otherwise, they way, way overpaid.
Now if Glendening had been included in the trade, it would have been much more even, though the team really wouldn't have room for both him and Dowd.  If I'm going to judge whether word I hear from professionals around the league, including from the team that he has played for, will carry more or less weight than the opinions you express, you can probably guess which way I'm going.


I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net.  There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line:  His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million.  That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is.  The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap.  It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work.  Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: capsfanpdx on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 06:16:22 PM Eastern
Anyone know what kempny's status is right now. It would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.

I like Kempny but his injury doesn't bode well for a great return.  It is just tough.

Injury Progress
 (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28644678/)
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 06:49:55 PM Eastern
I keeping reading posts (elsewhere) about Mantha being lazy and inconsistent, and didn't score enough in Detroit, and Caps were idiots for letting a talent like Vrana go.  :wtf:


But...Manth was on a trash team, so his stats are not going to be like he's playing with Tampa or Colorado or the Caps who score a lot of goals.  Or like on a team with multiple good scoring lines.  Detroit has 99 goals this year (ouch).  Mantha has 11g and 10A for 21 points making him the best and most balanced scorer on the team.
Nobody on that team has more than 11 goals or 22 points TOTAL.  Larkin has 8G, 14A.  Hronek has 2G, 20A, Fabbri 10G 8A, Erne 11G 6A, etc.
It's easier to match up against teams like Detroit with only a few good scoring players, so it's easier to focus on them and shut them down.


I'm not saying Mantha would be a 30g guy somewhere else, but he was the best scorer on the team so that's got to come from somewhere.  He scored 95G, 194 pts in 302 NHL games.  That's  .314 GPG and per game and .642 pts per game, all on a bottom feeder team.  Vrana has 76G 81A in 284 games giving him .267 GPG and  .552 pts per game and that's with Washington.
I would expect Mantha would score more with Washington than he did with Detroit based on the level of talent and scoring on both squads.


Vrana by comparison has 76G and 157pts in 284 games with the Caps (on a loaded team) and 11g, 14A this year on one of the best teams in hockey.  I'm not knocking Vrana, but he and Mantha scored almost exactly the same number of goals/points, and Vrana is a very good team and is defensive liability almost anywhere on the ice.


Plus with his size Mantha brings more to the table.  Forecheck, mucking, big shot, etc.   Basically a true power forward (and a BIG one) which are very hard to come by these days.


Time will tell, but I'm hoping Mantha can make a really big impact here - especially when it comes to playoff style hockey.  Detroit last made the playoffs in 2016 which is about when Mantha started (he played 60 games that year)


AND....If Vrana were living up to his great potential everyone keeps touting....He would have 25goals this season and he would still be here.


Geez....defending the guy already and he has yet to play a minute with Washington.












 
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 07:02:07 PM Eastern

.........



I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net.  There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line:  His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million.  That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is.  The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap.  It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work.  Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.


If it were me, I'd get rid of Carlsons contract. He doesn't bring anything that can't easily be replaced defensively, and we've had guys fill in at PP1 QB that did just as well there to. Keeping Seigs would've been that answer, at least for a year or two until a couple guys in Hershey are ready.



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 07:05:21 PM Eastern
I don't hate Mantha.  You really like to put words in people's mouths that they don't say.


I just mentioned that word from Detroit and the league is that he has been inconsistent and his effort level has been reported as lower than expected at times.  I'm sure the Caps made this trade figuring to get a player who is much more motivated now that he is playing important games.  Otherwise, they way, way overpaid.
Now if Glendening had been included in the trade, it would have been much more even, though the team really wouldn't have room for both him and Dowd.  If I'm going to judge whether word I hear from professionals around the league, including from the team that he has played for, will carry more or less weight than the opinions you express, you can probably guess which way I'm going.


I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net.  There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line:  His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million.  That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is.  The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap.  It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work.  Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.
No, i just call you out on your phony arrogance, & watch you immediately play a victim in an attempt to distract from being called out. The exact pattern is guaranteed.


By the way, I said what your saying 2-3 yrs ago.  What this does is give us a better player for two years without having an RFA in Varna, its NOT a rental to go all in this year.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 09:01:11 PM Eastern
Anyone know what kempny's status is right now. It would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.
    For what possible reason? I think he is done here.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 09:06:54 PM Eastern

If it were me, I'd get rid of Carlsons contract. He doesn't bring anything that can't easily be replaced defensively, and we've had guys fill in at PP1 QB that did just as well there to. Keeping Seigs would've been that answer, at least for a year or two until a couple guys in Hershey are ready.
     Carlson can't be replaced.  I don't understand why you think he could be easily replaced.
   Maybe you haven't been watching this team the past few weeks because our dcore has been brutal defensively. Carlson has been as good or better defensively than any of our other dmen. Chara and Dillon have been very bad. Schultz hasn't been very good either but you would expect that from him.
    Carlson is better defensively than you give him credit for.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 09:26:32 PM Eastern
Carlson can be replaced, and for a lot less money
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 09:33:20 PM Eastern
Carlson can be replaced, and for a lot less money
     We could could get a guy for alot less money but there is no way in hell the guy is replacing Carlson. Like I said you aren't giving him enough credit.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 10:33:47 PM Eastern
The traditional way that contending teams try to improve themselves for the playoffs is to acquire players who shore up the team's perceived weaknesses.  Most of the deadline acquisitions have adhered to this model.


But there is another way to attempt playoff success.  And that is to try to take a perceived strength and strengthen it even further, to try to create a tipping point where one aspect of your game becomes so unstoppable that you can bend games to your will with that one aspect, no matter how other aspects of the games play out.


I don't know if the Caps deliberately tried to follow this latter path, or if the Mantha acquisition simply fell into their laps, for both now and the future, partially because of Vrana's unhappiness.  But the Caps' major weaknesses this season would seem to be (1) Defensive acumen; (2) lack of face-off prowess; and (3) no playoff experience in net.  And the moves the Caps made addressed NONE of these.  Instead, they have become tougher and more powerful on offense, which has been their calling card.  Watching the highlights of the Philly game tonight, it looked as if the Philly team defense was repeatedly forced back to their net and out of position by the forward impetus of the Caps' attack.  They simply couldn't handle the strength of the Caps.


It is going to be fascinating to watch how the Caps try to ride this strength and offset their team weaknesses throughout the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 11:19:09 PM Eastern
I think the trades they made were forced by the Vrana situation. But Lavi seems happy with the D pairings despite what we see at times. His refusal to play Siegs and TVR show this. I'm ok with the goalie situation. This team gets plenty of pressure because of the expectations with OV on board, I don't think the playoffs will be much different in that respect.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 11:21:43 PM Eastern
     We could could get a guy for alot less money but there is no way in hell the guy is replacing Carlson. Like I said you aren't giving him enough credit.


opinion A verses opinion B, both are valid, no reason to keep beating one of them
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Wednesday April 14, 2021, 08:56:27 PM Eastern
I like it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/capitals-sign-conor-sheary-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-million/



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Wednesday April 14, 2021, 09:08:46 PM Eastern

opinion A verses opinion B, both are valid, no reason to keep beating one of them
    Tell you what.  Why don't you name some guys that can replace what Carlson brings. There might be a handful of guys but none are likely available.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday April 14, 2021, 10:21:08 PM Eastern
I like it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/capitals-sign-conor-sheary-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-million/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/capitals-sign-conor-sheary-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-million/)
Play the song!  :uh-huh: 


Carlson talk is irrelevant, cause they aint trading/moving/losing him. They just aint.  :snicker:
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Thursday April 15, 2021, 01:52:15 AM Eastern
Play the song!  :uh-huh: 


Carlson talk is irrelevant, cause they aint trading/moving/losing him. They just aint.  :snicker:
      I agree. Not sure why we are discussing it.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Thursday April 15, 2021, 08:59:42 AM Eastern
It was mentioned because the Caps NEED to dump salary. There is no disagreement on this. The problem is which contract to dump that won't cost them a similar amount of money to replace. That narrows it down quite a bit.


and keeping Seigs could've worked.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Thursday April 15, 2021, 09:34:26 AM Eastern
It was mentioned because the Caps NEED to dump salary. There is no disagreement on this. The problem is which contract to dump that won't cost them a similar amount of money to replace. That narrows it down quite a bit.


and keeping Seigs could've worked.
      It would be nice to free up some salary. And would have also been nice to keep Seigs. I know the moves we made were to free up space to fit Mantha.
     I have no clue how we are going to be able renew any contracts when the time comes.
       If we were going to give up one of our core players to dump salary I'd rather they move Kuzy or Orlov.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Thursday April 15, 2021, 10:26:34 AM Eastern
I'd expect Dillon or Schultz (or Kempney) could be salary dumps when the need arises. Doubtful they'll move any home growns.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Thursday April 15, 2021, 11:43:40 AM Eastern
The frozen salary cap kinda dictates they need to dump a tad more than $5M. If the cap wasn't frozen the last off season and at least the next two it wouldn't have put the team in such a bind. But they had to expect problems the way they've been right up against it the past couple years, pre wuhan flu.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday April 15, 2021, 06:46:22 PM Eastern
I like it...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/capitals-sign-conor-sheary-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-million/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/14/capitals-sign-conor-sheary-to-two-year-contract-extension-worth-million/)


I'm good with that.  $1.5 for Sheary is fair deal.  He was a bargain this year at $735k


Although....the article is somewhat misleading in saying the Caps have $12m left in cap space for 2021-22.  That's not counting OVI, Groot, the King, and Samsonov.
That's more than $12m in contracts right there.


We are OVER the cap by $200k this season with Kempny and King L on LTIR saving $4m in cap.


Paying Mantha 5.7m (and I know it's an inherited contract) sure does make Big Willy's 5.1 look like a steal to me.  I think the NHL owes Willy about $2m per year in downgrading his value with all the bad juju they have put on him.


It has to be a D that gets moved IMO.  I am assuming Orlov. (my choice)  I would just leave him unprotected and see if that resolves it.  (although you lose a guy and get nothing in return)
Kuzy or Carlson would reap the biggest cap savings, but we are already short on Centers so doubt they move Kuzy.  No fucking way they move Carlson.  $8m is a lot for him, but they would miss him for sure and he's another golden child.
If they plan to keep Chara....oofah, what would he play for?  I hope they don't move Dillon as he is I think our most Defensive D and he's only 3.9m.  SHulz if 4.0, but he fits the system well.  Kempny is 2.5 so relative cheap, but who knows how well he can play at this point.
I really wish they had kept Ziggy and moved someone else to save $800k.  Hell they're not playing TVR, why didn't they move him for the same $?


Ovi is going to want at least $11m, so that leaves just under $1m to sign Sammy, Groot, & the King without moving someone.


Freezing the cap hurt alot of teams...and players contracts.  Hope the players realize that when it comes time to negotiate.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Friday April 16, 2021, 06:02:03 PM Eastern
this means Sammy is fine...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/16/capitals-re-assign-craig-anderson-to-taxi-squad-zach-fucale-to-ahl-hershey/
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BarfingMonkey on Friday April 16, 2021, 06:53:45 PM Eastern
We're going to lose Oshie, I read somewhere that with the Sheary deal means that Oshie is exposed.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Surreylily on Saturday April 17, 2021, 04:04:35 AM Eastern
We're going to lose Oshie, I read somewhere that with the Sheary deal means that Oshie is exposed.

I soooooo hope not     :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Monday April 19, 2021, 12:01:35 PM Eastern
We're going to lose Oshie, I read somewhere that with the Sheary deal means that Oshie is exposed.




I can see where the Sheary deal threatens Oshie.  (Ovie/Backstrom/Sheary/Eller/Kuzy/Mantha/Wilson protected).  The question on the forwards is probably whether to expose Eller or Oshie.






BUT  I don't see how that necessarily means that Oshie is gone.  There are too many moving parts in the expansion draft.  Too much depends of what other teams leave exposed, what Seattle's talent evaluators value, what Seattle will need to do WRT their draft salary floor and salary cap, etc.


On defense, I presume Carlson and two out of Dillon, Orlov, and Schultz are protected.  Schultz may be the most likely to get one of those two spots because RHD are so highly coveted and the Caps' best upcoming prospects are LHD.

As far as I know, we are "set" in goal.  Samsonov is protected, Vanacek is draft-exempt, and Copley is our required exposed goalie (I'm certain that was the reason Copley was signed to a two-year contract after last season, to be the required exposed goalie.)

If you were Seattle, would you want a soon-to-be-35 Oshie at a $5.75 million cap hit for the next 4 years, a 30-year-old Orlov, say, at a $5.1 million cap hit for the next two years, or a 30-year-old Dillion at a $4 million cap hit for the next, what, 3 years?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 19, 2021, 01:12:06 PM Eastern
I agree with BlackIce.


I think signing Sheary to a short term (2 year) inexpensive contract makes him somewhat attractive to the expansion draft.  IF he were chosen that's a virtually no risk situation for Seattle.  If he doesn't pan out it's one year.  If he does, it's a cheap deal and they could resign him later.  I don't believe that's why the Caps signed him...I think he has fit in fairly well and that's a pretty bargain salary these days.


Oshie on the other hand is a much bigger question mark.  We all know that contract is going to start to smell in later years of it.  It was a pretty friendly deal dollars wise for his talent in the early yeasrs, but especially with the way he plays the game, I could see his latter years coming with a big drop in production.


I really would like to see both stay, but I would like a lot of things I can't have.  Losing Oshie would help our Cap situation more than any other forward (that will be exposed)


And as BlackIce said....WAY too many moving parts that are unknown to really know what Seattle will do.


They DO have to select one Caps player so who do you WANT that to be?  With Panik and Vrana gone...that's two less to worry about.


I expect some of the "other" guys brought in are up for grabs...Raffl...


You can only protect 7 & 3 +1 goalie so...


Ovie
Backy
Kuzy
Wilson
Mantha

Oshie
Eller
Sheary
Sprong

Dowd
Hathy
Haggs
Raffl


I'm protected the top 5, 2 of the next 4 and leaving the bottom 4 exposed.  Although I probably protect Eller in that he is a Center which we are short on this team.  Honestly I'd hate to lose almost any of them, but someone is gone.


On D I likely protect
Johhny Q Dylan Norris Carlson
Dillon
Jensen  (although I really can't figure if Jensen is worth keeping sometimes)


Kempny isn't eligible due to LTIR
Charra....not signed so not protecting
Shulz - odd man out
Orlov - salary cap leads me to expose him, and he runs hot & cold so...
TVR - meh, don't know enough about him to know better

We shall see what this list looks like as we get toward end of season.


Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday April 19, 2021, 01:33:11 PM Eastern
I doubt they leave any centers exposed. The Caps don't have the means to replace any right now. I think this last year has slowed prospect development, meaning Protas and McMichael aren't ready yet.

Are you sure they have to protect 7+3? I keep reading that and that they just need to protect 10 guys plus a goalie. If it's just 10 guys, I think I use all that on forewards. Seatle can only take one guy, and I think team chemistry wise, a Dman will be easier to deal with, and I wouldn't protect Carlson hoping they are willing to take that contract. But I expect they won't so it'd be a wasted slot.

The Caps have to dump a lot of salary, and soon too. Someone is going to go that we don't want to see leave. They are real close to fire sale territory, and I frikin hate fire sales.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday April 19, 2021, 03:54:31 PM Eastern
7+3   OR 8 skaters total
+1


So if its 8... it doesn't help us much.

But...they ONLY get one guy so...


Which ONE guy can't you live without?




Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday April 19, 2021, 06:12:01 PM Eastern
7+3   OR 8 skaters total
+1


So if its 8... it doesn't help us much.

But...they ONLY get one guy so...


Which ONE guy can't you live without?


The one guy you must protect is the face of the franchise, this team has world wide interest with him and reaps the benefits of it. I'd bet money this team loses a ton of fans without OV. Even if it's just him retiring from old age.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Tuesday April 20, 2021, 11:51:02 PM Eastern
I doubt they leave any centers exposed. The Caps don't have the means to replace any right now. I think this last year has slowed prospect development, meaning Protas and McMichael aren't ready yet.

Are you sure they have to protect 7+3? I keep reading that and that they just need to protect 10 guys plus a goalie. If it's just 10 guys, I think I use all that on forewards. Seatle can only take one guy, and I think team chemistry wise, a Dman will be easier to deal with, and I wouldn't protect Carlson hoping they are willing to take that contract. But I expect they won't so it'd be a wasted slot.

The Caps have to dump a lot of salary, and soon too. Someone is going to go that we don't want to see leave. They are real close to fire sale territory, and I frikin hate fire sales.
     I'm not sure why you continue with the I wouldn't protect Carlson or we should dump Carlson for salary reasons.  It just isn't going to happen. We all know it.
   I really don't understand how it's always about Carlson. The only guy you even mention on the negative side is Carlson.
     I really don't think Carlson is going anywhere so let's get a bit realistic about salaries to dump.
    I would say Oshie or Kuzy go before Carlson.
     I think Ovie Backstrom and Carlson are untouchable and play their entire careers here.


Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Surreylily on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 02:13:57 AM Eastern
Why can't you just stop.    :(
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 07:46:13 AM Eastern
I doubt they leave any centers exposed. The Caps don't have the means to replace any right now. I think this last year has slowed prospect development, meaning Protas and McMichael aren't ready yet.

Are you sure they have to protect 7+3? I keep reading that and that they just need to protect 10 guys plus a goalie. If it's just 10 guys, I think I use all that on forewards. Seatle can only take one guy, and I think team chemistry wise, a Dman will be easier to deal with, and I wouldn't protect Carlson hoping they are willing to take that contract. But I expect they won't so it'd be a wasted slot.

The Caps have to dump a lot of salary, and soon too. Someone is going to go that we don't want to see leave. They are real close to fire sale territory, and I frikin hate fire sales.




It's already been pointed out that teams can protect either 7F/3D in the draft, or 8 total.  Yet some teams take the 8 total, because they want to protect more D and they are willing to take their hit among the forwards.  Which shows how highly some teams value defense - usually defense-oriented teams, and LaViolette and the Caps certainly don't qualify as that.


As to prospect development, COVID effects ARE an issue, BUT a very unequal one among our top prospects.  Our top 4 prospects are forwards McMichael and Protas, defensemen Fehevary and Alexeyev.  McMichael and Fehevary have had limited PT at Hershey this season, and that is it.  But Protas and Alexeyev both played 50+ games in the KHL before coming to Hershey.  They essentially have played full seasons against men and I'm sure the organization kept close tabs on what was happening with them.  It is likely that their development has not been retarded, AND the organization has a much clearer understanding of what they have in those two than in the North Americans.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 11:30:13 AM Eastern
     I'm not sure why you continue with the I wouldn't protect Carlson or we should dump Carlson for salary reasons.  It just isn't going to happen. We all know it.
   I really don't understand how it's always about Carlson. The only guy you even mention on the negative side is Carlson.
     I really don't think Carlson is going anywhere so let's get a bit realistic about salaries to dump.
    I would say Oshie or Kuzy go before Carlson.
     I think Ovie Backstrom and Carlson are untouchable and play their entire careers here.


Carlson is not going anywhere, but that doesn't mean it can't be discussed as a concept. There are about 8 million reasons a year to consider NOT protecting Carlson.
Which contract moved would give you the most $$$ flexibility in return?  The biggest one.  For 8 million a year you could get a solid D (in the realm of Dillon & Shulz) and have 4 million left to spend on contracts you need to renew: Sammy's new contract, Ovi's new contract, and about 6 other UFA's next year:  Charra if you want him, Lundqvist, Daniel Carr, Sgarbosa, LaDue, Raffl


Having said that, the time and way to move Carlson was last year or years prior in a trade when his trade value was at its highest and the team could reap the most benefit from moving him by getting something in return. (a lot of somethings)
Exposing him and losing him in an expansion draft would serve only the current salary cap issue, but would be short sighted in that you get absolutely nothing for one of your most valuable assets.  (another reason it won't happen)
Matt Niskanen was moved for exactly this reason - Caps needed the cap space.  I hated seeing him go, but it was a smart and necessary and reaped great benefit.  (No I am not directly comparing Nisky and Dylan - just the concept)


The Caps are in a bind financially.  The frozen cap completely fucked them, but they were in trouble regardless.  They are realistically 4 million over the cap RIGHT NOW - only saving that 4 Mil with Kempney and Lundqvist on LTIR.  THey ABSOLUTELY MUST move salary, and ALOT of salary.  It has to come from somewhere.
Caps have 8 active roster and Taxi squad players who are UFA after this season, plus 3 RFA players.  THey have to resign Ovi and Sammy, and at least a few others.


Ovi is going to probably want 11.5mil, which adds 1.5 more to the cap
Sammy is going to want??? 2.5 Mil?  adding 1.5 more to the cap
Let's say you spend only another additional 1 mil resigning the 2 or 3 or 4 others you manage to hang on to.  That's a total of 4 mil on top of the 4 mil you are already over the cap now....
which is 8.0 million you need to shed somewhere for next year.


Maybe the Caps get lucky and All 8 UFA's sign for the same money.  (I doubt that very much).  Ovi and Sammy alone are going to bump it 2+ mil  I am hoping that Ovi signs a super friendly deal, but realistically he is going to want a pay raise.  He is one of the 5 biggest (more like top 3) draws in the NHL and likely wants to get paid that way.


I hope they leave Orlov exposed and Seattle grabs him at 5.1m.  I am afraid Seattle will take....one of our lesser contracts (SHeary, Dowd, Sprong, Raffl, etc)  Guys that will shave very little off the cap and leave us with one less player yet still 7+ mil OVER the cap, which would force a bad summer trade to shed salary and lose more draft pics only to end up losing multiple players because of the cap issue.


Needing to shed 8mil in cap money means a big piece or several pieces have to be moved.  Oshie is 4th highest paid at 5.75m and is a RW.  This team currently on the active roster has 7 players that do or can play RW (not including Ovie)
I am afraid that leaves Oshie as probably one of the most viable to be exposed.  Question is....would Seattle want a 35-38 year old Oshie at 5.75m the next FOUR years?  That's a bad contract.  As much as we love Oshie, it would not be horrible to lose him and that contract in his aging years.
Or you leave Kuzy exposed at 7.8 mil and that's not a horrible contract for a super talented Center in his prime, but the Caps are short on centers already.  You move Kuzy and then make Oshie a C, but he is probably only a 3c so you left with an aging Backy at 1c, an aging Oshie, Eller, and Dowd.  That's weak at the C, so I don't think Kuzy can be exposed.
IF Kuzy is really in the doghouse, you leave him exposed and get NOTHING for him or more likely you protect him and then trade him over the summer and get something in return as well as shedding some salary.


This team is flush with RW right now and pretty strong on D.  Losing Siegs was a mistake I think though.  You get Kempny back next year, but at what level?  You have Jenson, Dillon, Shulz, Carlson, Orlov, and TVR, but only one of those guys is solid on D (Dillon).  Siegs could have been a solid D at a reasonable cost.  Who knows what happens with Groot, but I'm assuming he will not be back.


Long and short of it is you need to sign 8 guys (whether current ones or guys brought in) and at the same time drop around 8mil in salary to get under the Cap.  Those two things don't add up very easily.


Losing John Q. Carlson's 8.0m salary solves a lot of those issues in one move without tinkering with a whole lot else.
Still won't happen so....I guess it's going to be a whole lot else.



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 11:41:46 AM Eastern
We're moving Carlson again?  :snicker:


They won't leave anyone (substantial) unprotected, who they think they can/could trade instead. If they could ONLY protect 1 player, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Carlson.. He's at least in their top 3, imo.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 12:07:23 PM Eastern
We're moving Carlson again?  :snicker:


They won't leave anyone (substantial) unprotected, who they think they can/could trade instead. If they could ONLY protect 1 player, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Carlson.. He's at least in their top 3, imo.


We should start a Expansion Draft Lottery competition.  Anybody wants in - buy in is with a (big) bottle of their favorite Hooch. (It has to be liquid Mick)


Everyone submits their "protected" player list they BELIEVE the caps will submit.  Closest to actual Caps protected list wins the pot.
Tie breaker:
everyone submits the list THEY recommend, and the supporting argument for it (and we limit Rich's length of argument to x words)  :raspberry:   Members who played but did NOT get into the tie breaker vote to see who wins based on the submitted list and arguement.


Okay...way too much trouble.  How about....everyone buys their own hooch, submits their list and we toast whoever wins.
It will give us something to do for a while n the very long upcoming off season.



Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 12:49:31 PM Eastern

We should start a Expansion Draft Lottery competition.  Anybody wants in - buy in is with a (big) bottle of their favorite Hooch. (It has to be liquid Mick)


It better be liquid! Ya'll aint gettin my flower.. Stuff is too hard to come by!  :rofl:  I'll toke up a shot for the winner though!  :huh:
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 01:32:34 PM Eastern
The only bright spot is players are aware of the frozen cap. But the team also put themselves in this position. Quite a few teams have plenty of space to play with.

Lundquist is done here, likely Kempney as well. All that does is get them back to just breaking the cap without having anyone on LTIR. They still need to resign a bunch of guys, or let them walk and attempt to replace them, and the team chemistry for cheaper.

So yea, best option as I see it is losing one big contract vs having a damn fire sale. The biggest contracts right now are Carlson, Kuzy and OV. They have to keep the face of the franchise. The very much need to keep a decent center and their best face off guy. That leaves one man out. It's going to be far easier to replace that one guy than it will several others to get the cap space the team needs.

Though after thinking about this a little more, I'd be fine if they found a deal to trade Kuzy too. Provided it could get them cheap a half decent center in return for a year or two while we see if a couple of prospects pan out.

If team management really wants to get OV another Cup, they need to move some big money now. If they were smart about it they wouldn't have needed 15 years to get him the first Cup.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 01:35:31 PM Eastern

It better be liquid! Ya'll aint gettin my flower.. Stuff is too hard to come by!  :rofl:  I'll toke up a shot for the winner though!  :huh:


you got one of those bubbly things? What happens if you whisky in it? Last time I had one was decades ago. The only thing I remember working well was ice.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 01:38:09 PM Eastern
     I'm not sure why you continue with the I wouldn't protect Carlson or we should dump Carlson for salary reasons.  It just isn't going to happen. We all know it.
   I really don't understand how it's always about Carlson. The only guy you even mention on the negative side is Carlson.
     I really don't think Carlson is going anywhere so let's get a bit realistic about salaries to dump.
    I would say Oshie or Kuzy go before Carlson.
     I think Ovie Backstrom and Carlson are untouchable and play their entire careers here.


rather than continuing to beat this horse, which you did say you agreed with me on, why not offer your opinion on how the team can fix their bloated salary
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Wednesday April 21, 2021, 04:45:20 PM Eastern

you got one of those bubbly things? What happens if you whisky in it? Last time I had one was decades ago. The only thing I remember working well was ice.


Lol. Yea, I got one around here somewhere. I can't remember the last time I had anything to use in it though. 20+ years I imagine.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Friday April 23, 2021, 03:32:11 PM Eastern
Interesting wrinkle...


https://novacapsfans.com/2021/04/22/why-alex-ovechkin-might-not-sign-a-new-contract-extension-with-the-capitals-until-after-the-seattle-kraken-expansion-draft/
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Mickstix on Friday April 23, 2021, 04:30:21 PM Eastern
Makes sense! As long as the Kraken dont take him, then offer more then the Caps can afford? Isn't there rules against such things, where 1 team negotiates in good faith, but then the player signs a hometown deal for much less? Maybe that's another sport Im thinking of?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Friday April 23, 2021, 06:04:55 PM Eastern
Fuckin Vrana scored 4 last night
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday April 23, 2021, 06:13:37 PM Eastern
Sounds great and okay, but...the problem isn't Ovie...the problem is if Krakken take a cheap guy that we actually want to keep.


Say for example you leave SHulz, DIllon, Oshie, & Orlov exposed, but Krakken already have other pics and plans and then just take....Dowd or similar.
You are stuck with Orlove & Oshie contracts that you can't afford plus then have to resign Ovie & Sammy.


We are 4 mil over the cap now.  Add 1.5 more for Ovie and 1.5 more for Sammy and we are 7 over the Cap for next season (minus the $750k for Dowd) but then we are in the same boat minus a needed player at a peanuts salary.


OR it's Sprong or Sheary or Raffl or Hathaway that is taken...same scenario.


I guess if Lundqvist is not resigned...then that saves 1.5mil.  (I would expect we don't resign him.)


Also assuming Chara is gone.  Unless he wants to play for peanuts again.  What I want to know is WTF didn't we hold onto Seigs?  He was a LD.  We have plenty of RD (Carlson, Orlov, Shulz, Kempny, TVR)  Only DIllon, CHara and Kempny are LD.  CHara gone next year - and Kempny being....Kempny....would have been nice to hold onto Seigs.
I am curious as to why we didn't move TVR instead of Seigs.





Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: canadiancapman on Friday April 23, 2021, 06:59:02 PM Eastern
Orlov is an LD.


Alexeyev is an LD and will probably be on the big club next year.
Fehervary has a chance to play as well and is an LD
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: canadiancapman on Friday April 23, 2021, 07:01:38 PM Eastern
If Oshie is exposed, that may be very tempting to Seattle. He's a hard working veteran that could be their first Captain. Remember they can't just get all cheap guys. They still need to make it to the salary cap floor and they also probably want to be half decent to draw interest in the community. Who better to have on their team than an Olympic American staple
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: DC_1908 on Friday April 23, 2021, 07:19:47 PM Eastern
If Oshie is exposed, that may be very tempting to Seattle. He's a hard working veteran that could be their first Captain. Remember they can't just get all cheap guys. They still need to make it to the salary cap floor and they also probably want to be half decent to draw interest in the community. Who better to have on their team than an Olympic American staple
I think he was exposed in the VGK
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: canadiancapman on Friday April 23, 2021, 07:58:05 PM Eastern
He was exposed but didn't have a contract until after the draft. I really don't know how that would work claiming an upcoming UFA. Does anyone know if Vegas selected any upcoming UFA's? Doesn't really make sense to me if you're going to be a UFA that upcoming summer and somehow have to sign with the expansion team if they claim you. Kinda goes against the collective bargaining agreement in my mind.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Surreylily on Friday April 23, 2021, 08:39:45 PM Eastern
He was exposed but didn't have a contract until after the draft. I really don't know how that would work claiming an upcoming UFA. Does anyone know if Vegas selected any upcoming UFA's? Doesn't really make sense to me if you're going to be a UFA that upcoming summer and somehow have to sign with the expansion team if they claim you. Kinda goes against the collective bargaining agreement in my mind.

I wouldn't have thought you could select a UFA for a fledging draft, because at the time of the draft, they wouldn't actually belong to any team and therefore would not count aginst a team selection or salary hit.
The selection must be one player from every team, right?  A UfA, at the time of the draft does not belong to ANY team and is therefore not eligible.     Smart moves by the Caps in refards to Oshie.   8)
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Friday April 23, 2021, 10:03:27 PM Eastern
I wouldn't have thought you could select a UFA for a fledging draft, because at the time of the draft, they wouldn't actually belong to any team and therefore would not count aginst a team selection or salary hit.
The selection must be one player from every team, right?  A UfA, at the time of the draft does not belong to ANY team and is therefore not eligible.     Smart moves by the Caps in refards to Oshie.   8)


Yep, that was interesting how that worked with Oshie for the Vegas draft, and the NHL has said several times the rules for this draft will be exactly the same so technically it could work with OV as well.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Surreylily on Friday April 23, 2021, 10:10:10 PM Eastern
Hah!   Who woulda thunk i was that smart?.


Don't answer thet.   :raspberry:
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Surreylily on Friday April 23, 2021, 10:12:48 PM Eastern
I could still be completely and uttetly wrong...
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Surreylily on Friday April 23, 2021, 10:31:43 PM Eastern
Did you ban him already Alta?  I would have been interested to see his respone.  Pretty sure it would have been shitty, but still..

 :wackysmile:
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Saturday April 24, 2021, 12:34:26 PM Eastern
I could still be completely and uttetly wrong...

everyone is from time to time

and when they refuse to admit it, it tells me it happens far more often than the average
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BlackIce on Monday May 03, 2021, 01:13:05 PM Eastern
Not that it is terribly important or informative at this point, but Alex Alexeyev has now played 7 games in Hershey after being moved over from the KHL.  In that time he has recorded 7 points and a +/- of +8.


It's too small a sample size in the AHL to mean anything, but he's now played over 60 total games this season, so he has gotten a full year of development under his belt despite COVID, unlike many other prospects.  I wonder what management is thinking about him at this point?
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday May 03, 2021, 01:27:53 PM Eastern
I’ve been watching the guys in Hershey. A couple are starting to look real good, but the Caps are going to need a fire sale to bring anyone up anytime soon.


As I’ve said many times before, I efing hate fire sales.





Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Monday May 03, 2021, 02:09:30 PM Eastern
The Caps can't even afford to bring up a winger at league minimum for tonight to replace Oshie, as has been the case all year.


It's either a fire sale or dump one big contract. I know which I'd rather see. The ONLY way this gets fixed with the expansion draft is if the don't protect Carlson or Kuzy and Seattle picks them. Even then it will be tight resigning everyone.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Thursday May 06, 2021, 03:15:22 PM Eastern
Kempny is playing again...

https://novacapsfans.com/2021/05/06/capitals-loan-michal-kempny-to-ahl-hershey-on-conditioning-stint/ (https://novacapsfans.com/2021/05/06/capitals-loan-michal-kempny-to-ahl-hershey-on-conditioning-stint/)
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: BarfingMonkey on Thursday May 06, 2021, 04:11:11 PM Eastern
Glad to see him back!
Although he's never been the same since his initial injury.
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Thursday May 06, 2021, 06:21:20 PM Eastern
They don't have the cap space for Kempney.  doubt he plays again this year...unless playoffs have some sort of weird injury reserve reserve reverse cap hit thingy  :huh:
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Thursday May 06, 2021, 08:12:19 PM Eastern
depends how Kuzy responds, there very well could be some sudden salary cap space
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Chaos43 on Thursday May 06, 2021, 08:51:02 PM Eastern
I think he was exposed in the VGK
   
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: richkrt99 on Friday May 07, 2021, 01:38:45 PM Eastern
depends how Kuzy responds, there very well could be some sudden salary cap space


He might be hard to move.  He has NTC with 15 team list (thru 2022)- meaning he listed 15 teams he CAN NOT be traded to each year.
That leaves half the NHL teams and cap space being what it now....really narrows the possibility of trading him for other assets.
Leaving him exposed is an option and I'd think Krakken would jump at that, but you get nothing in return except rid of a contract (which is a great need for this team)


Draft comes before off-season trading, no?

Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: alta on Friday May 07, 2021, 02:27:53 PM Eastern
the expansion draft is scheduled for July 21, the regular entry draft is scheduled to start July 23, the  free agency period is scheduled to start July 28
Title: Re: 2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
Post by: Ozzies09tc on Thursday October 21, 2021, 08:07:41 PM Eastern
You clearly havent seen Mantha play. Hes easily one of top 6 complete forwards, regardless of what the top of the screen says when the game starts.


Yeah he had somw constancy issues with The Wings during the rebuild, but that standard in Detroit for that FAR higher their than it is here. In fact, Im more worried about Vrana slowing The Wings rebuild down with his pussy ass, lazy Eurotrash play.  Dont be surprised if he doesnt make it Motown.


DC you called this in the offseason and Mantha has looked GREAT on this team!