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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: DC_1908 on Tuesday January 30, 2018, 08:33:32 AM Eastern
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That time of year again, March 3 is coming up . . .
Buyers, Sellers, Trades, Market, Market Value, Pricing, Rentals, needs, wants, predictions. . . .
What moves should the Caps make, will the Caps make, how much will they pay, will it work?
Here we go . . .
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The most talked about move for the Caps our old shot from the point Mike Green https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capitals-insider/wp/2018/01/29/the-red-wings-mike-green-may-be-on-the-move-soon-could-he-land-back-with-the-capitals/?utm_term=.5e7eb5b9bd49 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capitals-insider/wp/2018/01/29/the-red-wings-mike-green-may-be-on-the-move-soon-could-he-land-back-with-the-capitals/?utm_term=.5e7eb5b9bd49)
Now this can make sense. Rather its a contract year, maturity, system, organization, team mates, fellow defenseman quality, or whatever, Grren has been twice the Defenseman, not just the fourth forward he was here.
So unlike Shattenkrap, if Green played like he Detroit, he'd come in to be our best all around Dman (particularly as Niskaken has apparently checked out).
However, the asking price will be steep, more than likely the top prospect and/or first round pick range: [size=78%]https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/11/21/16687534/red-wings-oilers-nhl-trade-rumors-kings-ransom-mike-green-jesse-puljujarvi-mcdavid-for-ericsson (https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/11/21/16687534/red-wings-oilers-nhl-trade-rumors-kings-ransom-mike-green-jesse-puljujarvi-mcdavid-for-ericsson)[/size]
Given our depleted prospects and picks, and the near fact that even most delusional optimist with a 24 IV drip of Caps Marketing Kool Aid "We have a chance" fan can deny: we are more than one Dman from being a serious Cup threat.
So this could come down to GMBetaMale vs Ken Holland. . . and that is not a matchup GMBetaMAle will win. I can very easily see GMBetaMales need to make the biggest deal at the deadline, and for a fan favorite no less, that he will not only pay an insane price for Green, but will give away something that he and the Caps don't think much of, who will then turn into a solid pro for the Wings.
So well see, but the only way I see this not happening is the Caps have nothing the Wings want, or another team bids more than GMBetaMale can whilst still dressing 20 players.
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I thought the trade deadline was February 26 but I could be wrong. As for trading for Mike Green, I pretty much agree with what you said. He definitely would be an upgrade over Bowey but I think the price will be way too high plus I am not sure we could fit him under the salary cap unless Detroit retained part of his salary. If we could get him for no more than a second round pick and a grade B prospect I would be for it but I definitely would not trade our 1st round pick or a grade A prospect which we do not have many of.
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I haven't been fond of rentals in years. Also, this team can't afford to trade anything for one. The only move I would make is for a defenseman, but why bring in one when you need three. I wouldn't be surprised if the Caps do nothing at the deadline this year.
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I'm waiting to see when they start bringing in robots that can play a full 60 minutes. One day the Stanley Cup will go to the team with the best programmers. Or maybe the players will be at home in front of their XBOX Kinect controlling the players on the ice, to keep some human element in the game.
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(https://media.winnipegfreepress.com/images/3824919.jpg)
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/robots-playing-ice-hockey-d-render-61344444.jpg)
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I wouldn’t be surprised either, but I doubt it will be for a lack of trying. When it comes down to it, we just don’t have that many desirable assets. Kuzy, Orlov, Burma, Holts, Oshie all have contracts that will be had to move. Hooks, Eller, Djoos, Browery or Connolly won’t be enough on their own to get much significant done. Which leaves Carlson or Willie. Moving Carlson wouldn’t make much sense unless it was for a better Dman and cap space.
[/size]Willie though, a good GM wouldn’t trade a player like Willie unless he had at least three like him, but we don’t have a good GM
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I'm waiting to see when they start bringing in robots that can play a full 60 minutes. One day the Stanley Cup will go to the team with the best programmers. Or maybe the players will be at home in front of their XBOX Kinect controlling the players on the ice, to keep some human element in the game.
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(https://media.winnipegfreepress.com/images/3824919.jpg)
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/robots-playing-ice-hockey-d-render-61344444.jpg)
Well that would stop the concussion fad wouldn’t it?
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I'm waiting to see when they start bringing in robots that can play a full 60 minutes. One day the Stanley Cup will go to the team with the best programmers. Or maybe the players will be at home in front of their XBOX Kinect controlling the players on the ice, to keep some human element in the game.
:clown:
(https://media.winnipegfreepress.com/images/3824919.jpg)
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/robots-playing-ice-hockey-d-render-61344444.jpg)
You are probably right but it won’t happen in my lifetime so I don’t have to worry about it.
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Oh, please don't bring Green back. He is another Shattenkirk - with some offensive talent, but weak on defense. Didn't we learn our lesson last year? To make it worse, Green just reunites a big part of the Young Guns and we need to move on with fresh players.
Besides, we stink at deadline deals. Nearly every single one of them has been a disaster. We are already showing the lack of a decent farm system and giving away more assets on lopsided, overpriced trades is just plain stupid.
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Oh, please don't bring Green back. He is another Shattenkirk - with some offensive talent, but weak on defense. Didn't we learn our lesson last year? To make it worse, Green just reunites a big part of the Young Guns and we need to move on with fresh players.
Besides, we stink at deadline deals. Nearly every single one of them has been a disaster. We are already showing the lack of a decent farm system and giving away more assets on lopsided, overpriced trades is just plain stupid.
Agreed,
I just don’t trust GMBetaMale and Monumental Entertainment not to go get both a big name, and bring a former player who just lit up the All Star Game.
Unfortunately, I think the only way this doesn’t happen is Holland gets a better deal than The Caps can offer without calling up half of Hershey.
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Rangers ask for Nash’s no-trade list:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nhl/2018/2/5/16974624/rick-nash-trade-rumors-new-york-rangers (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nhl/2018/2/5/16974624/rick-nash-trade-rumors-new-york-rangers)
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Rangers waive Brendan Smith (....?....), on his birthday. Now I’m all for being unemotional and dismissive to sensitivity, but that’s a dick move even for me!
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/8/16991348/nhl-waivers-brendan-smith-rangers-marcus-kruger-hurricanes (https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/8/16991348/nhl-waivers-brendan-smith-rangers-marcus-kruger-hurricanes)
He signed a pretty hefty contract, but, if we got him he’d an upgrade to most of our D, provided he gave a damn unlike he did in New York
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/6263 (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/6263)
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This is worrisome, Rangers send letter to fans confirming rebuild (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nhl/2018/2/8/16992070/new-york-rangers-trade-rumors-fire-sale-rebuilding-rick-nash-ryan-mcdonagh-2018)
Yep, another team we couldn’t beat, tried to model our team after, hoped to compete with, has realized the “high contract speed and finesse” fad is ending and changing as they can.
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This is worrisome, Rangers send letter to fans confirming rebuild (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nhl/2018/2/8/16992070/new-york-rangers-trade-rumors-fire-sale-rebuilding-rick-nash-ryan-mcdonagh-2018)
Yep, another team we couldn’t beat, tried to model our team after, hoped to compete with, has realized the “high contract speed and finesse” fad is ending and changing as they can.
and you and I were ridiculed for wanting to sign John Scott. It appears we were ahead of the curve
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and you and I were ridiculed for wanting to sign John Scott. It appears we were ahead of the curve
Yep! More so everyone else was behind it
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It was worth it...
https://www.nhl.com/news/lars-eller-signs-five-year-contract-with-capitals/c-295816878
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It was worth it...
https://www.nhl.com/news/lars-eller-signs-five-year-contract-with-capitals/c-295816878 (https://www.nhl.com/news/lars-eller-signs-five-year-contract-with-capitals/c-295816878)
Heh I was just posting/ranting about this :lol:
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Heh I was just posting/ranting about this :lol:
why rant? I think it's a good deal at a good price
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why rant? I think it's a good deal at a good price
For several reasons, but it comes down to could we have gotten more for less? Or could he have gotten more, and if not why 5 years?
The biggest question though, is why so close to the deadline?
This contract is all but untradable. Had it been two years that’s one thing, but 5 makes it very hard, almost impossible to move
Let’s face it, we’re not in the position to afford the “Keep the band together” luxury
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$3.5 a year is cheap, I'd lock that in for 5 years over 2 or 3 every day of the week, and Eller looks like his game is still improving. Also, at the end of 5 this player at this price is not a big deal if you gotta let him walk
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http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-arizona-coyotes-oliver-ekman-larsson-capitals/2018/02/11/
This seems like more speculation than rumor but we can dream right?
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I'd rather not trade for another puck moving dman that is questionable is the defensive zone. Am I the only one that thinks OEL is overrated. Everyone praises the guy and call him a top 10 dman. He has never looked special when Ive seen him play. I know playing for a team like the Coyotes makes any player look worse but I just dont care for his game in the defensive zone.
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http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-arizona-coyotes-oliver-ekman-larsson-capitals/2018/02/11/ (http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-arizona-coyotes-oliver-ekman-larsson-capitals/2018/02/11/)
This seems like more speculation than rumor but we can dream right?
Caps could trade mr. ifthepokecheckdoesntworkimdone carlson for larsson, should fix both problems.
But the Caps can't afford the give away any draft picks, and this is why I think everyone thinks GMBM has done a poor job. Caps have zero assets to trade with, no cap room, no draft picks and no talent in Hershey
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I wouldn’t be surprised either, but I doubt it will be for a lack of trying. When it comes down to it, we just don’t have that many desirable assets. Kuzy, Orlov, Burma, Holts, Oshie all have contracts that will be had to move. Hooks, Eller, Djoos, Browery or Connolly won’t be enough on their own to get much significant done. Which leaves Carlson or Willie. Moving Carlson wouldn’t make much sense unless it was for a better Dman and cap space.
Willie though, a good GM wouldn’t trade a player like Willie unless he had at least three like him, but we don’t have a good GM
Also, now that Willy has proved why he was a high draft pick he's the last guy this team should trade,
hhhmmmmm, we keep coming to Carlson being the one on the chopping block
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I dont want to rain on your parade but Carlson is a better all round dman than OEL. You really let your personal issues with him cloud your judgement.
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I dont want to rain on your parade but Carlson is a better all round dman than OEL. You really let your personal issues with him cloud your judgement.
You're the only one that thinks he is an all star, yet it's my judgement that is clouded by personal feelings
:lol: :rofl:
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Caps can trade Bura and Carlson for one good Dman, and not a rental, it need to be a two year deal at a minimum
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Caps can trade Bura and Carlson for one good Dman, and not a rental, it need to be a two year deal at a minimum
Yeah except our GM would even screw that up
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Here’s a potential deadline list, . . Guess who the only one we’re like listed under is:
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-trade-deadline-assets-come-into-focus/c-295884898 (https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-trade-deadline-assets-come-into-focus/c-295884898)
“Green, an all-star this season, is the most intriguing defenseman available because of his big righthanded shot and his ability to use it on the power play. The 32-year-old would fit best with a team that needs more offense from its back end, particularly from a righty”
Well our back end he’ll ain’t playing D so might as well skate 5 forwards
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You're the only one that thinks he is an all star, yet it's my judgement that is clouded by personal feelings
:lol: :rofl:
I never said he was an all-star. I have said he is our best dman. There really is no denying it because it isn't even close. I also said he is better than OEL and I'm standing by that. I dont hate the guy but he is another puck moving offensive dman that is mediocre defensively. I know the plus/minus stat doesn't mean a lot but he has the worst plus/minus in the league by a wide margin. He has a shot at the single season record. No thanks. Let's get a shut down dman.
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I didnt say Carlson was an all-star. I said he was our best dman and there is no denying it. It isn't even close right now. I also said he is better than OEL and I'm standing by that. We dont need another puck moving offensive dman that is mediocre in his own end. I know plus/minus is a deceiving stat but he is -40. Come on. He has a shot at the single season record.
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Caps can trade Bura and Carlson for one good Dman, and not a rental, it need to be a two year deal at a minimum
Keep wishing but I'm sure Carlson is going nowhere.
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I'd rather trade for Johnson or McDonough.
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I'd rather trade for Johnson or McDonough.
Yep, and do would every other GM in the league except GMBetaMale
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Also, now that Willy has proved why he was a high draft pick he's the last guy this team should trade,
hhhmmmmm, we keep coming to Carlson being the one on the chopping block
Agee completely, I just don’t believe the front office doesn’t value him, or logic, more than a splash at the deadline to sell playoff tickets.
Either way, it’s a safe bet Green will be back in a couple weeks.
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Agee completely, I just don’t believe the front office doesn’t value him, or logic, more than a splash at the deadline to sell playoff tickets.
Either way, it’s a safe bet Green will be back in a couple weeks.
I really hope not
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I really hope not
You, me and anyone who’s not a Hens fan agree
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Phaneuf to the Kings (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nhl/2018/2/13/17010610/dion-phaneuf-trade-los-angeles-kings-ottawa-senators-nate-thompson-marian-gaborik-nick-shore)
Now that would have been an addition we coulda used and sent us in the right direction.
Wonder how many calls GMBetaMale made about him. . .
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The latest on puckfuzz is that the Wings want Samsonov for green.
Please, not another deadline turd like this.
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Ok, so it does say that Athanasiou could be included.
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Ok, so it does say that Athanasiou could be included.
I new Holland was gonna take GMBetaMale to the cleaners.
Our best trading asset for two things we have enough of. . . Does GMBetaMale think this is a videogame?
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Phaneuf to the Kings (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nhl/2018/2/13/17010610/dion-phaneuf-trade-los-angeles-kings-ottawa-senators-nate-thompson-marian-gaborik-nick-shore)
Now that would have been an addition we coulda used and sent us in the right direction.
Wonder how many calls GMBetaMale made about him. . .
I really liked Phaneuf when he first came into the league. But he has bounced around far to much for a player of his ability. Tells me something else is wrong with him, and I'm not sure I want to bring whatever that is here. This lockeroom has enough problems
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Michael Kempny. Thoughts?
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A potential replacement for Chorney?
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Looks like Kempny for a 3rd according Chicago Sun Times. Kempny left the building with his sticks.
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Looks like Kempny for a 3rd according Chicago Sun Times. Kempny left the building with his sticks.
Yep, maybe he can Dylan's place as he's hopefully on the chopping block[insert dancing banana]
Defenseman Michal Kempny (https://www.nhl.com/player/michal-kempny-8479482) was traded to the Washington Capitals on Monday by the Chicago Blackhawks for a conditional third-round pick in the 2018 NHL Draft.
Kempny, an undrafted free agent who agreed to terms on a one-year contract with the Blackhawks on May 24, 2016, has 15 points (three goals, 12 assists) in 81 NHL games, including seven points (one goal, six assists) and is plus-13 in 31 games this season.
The Blackhawks (25-26-8, 58 points) are last in the Central Division, 11 points behind the Minnesota Wild for the second wild card into the Stanley Cup Playoffs from the Western Conference. They have not missed the playoffs since the 2007-08 season and have won the Cup three times during that stretch.
The Capitals (33-18-7, 73 points) are one point behind the Pittsburgh Penguins for first place in the Metropolitan Division entering their game at the Buffalo Sabres on Monday (3 p.m. ET; SN1, MSG-B, NBCSWA, NHL.TV).
Chicago will receive the higher of Washington's own third round draft choice or the third-round pick by the Toronto Maple Leafs. Washington acquired the Toronto draft pick from the New Jersey Devils as part of the Marcus Johansson (https://www.nhl.com/player/marcus-johansson-8475149) trade on July 2, 2017.
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Michael Kempny. Thoughts?
I haven't seen a lot of him but what I did see wasn't anything impressive. He doesn't really have a lot if NHL experience. I'm curious what their plans are for him. Is he going to be in the lineup or is he going to be a depth player. I was really hoping we would deal for a more experienced defender that could step into the lineup.
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I think we will see several moves this year and I expect them to make more sense than previous years. I'm hoping to see Jack Johnson here soon. Certainly not excited about the prospect of MG52.
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I don't expect much else, even this surprised me. Caps have nothing to trade with unless they move a top 6 guy
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I think we will see several moves this year and I expect them to make more sense than previous years. I'm hoping to see Jack Johnson here soon. Certainly not excited about the prospect of MG52.
I would have no problem if they acquired Jack Johnson or maybe Mcdonaugh. Not sure what we would have to give up for that.
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I don't expect much else, even this surprised me. Caps have nothing to trade with unless they move a top 6 guy
We might have a prospect. I've heard teams are interested in Samsonov.
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bringing Green back would make as much sense as the Halpern move
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bringing Green back would make as much sense as the Halpern move
I dont like bringing back players that we once had. To me it shows that you think you made a mistake and you are trying to fix it. Let it go. I dont think Green fixes anything on this team. We tried it last year with Shattenkirk.
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I dont like bringing back players that we once had. To me it shows that you think you made a mistake and you are trying to fix it. Let it go. I dont think Green fixes anything on this team. We tried it last year with Shattenkirk.
And I guaran-god damn-tee you they don’t
Green is to much to pass up on from them: old fan favorite coming back, Green United with Ovie and Nick for the classic powerplsy, the most popular Dman on the market, “we have a chance so we’re going for it” . . .Lets face it, this is what’s important to Monumental.
Now if we could get him peanuts, I’d be all for it
But his price will be he hish and driven up by better GMs, because they know Dickless and GMBetaMale will pay it for the afore mentioned reasons
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WOW LOOK WE GOT IN THIS DEAL!!!
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/15885 (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/15885)
Boy we more puckmovng fourth forwards don’t we.
Heh abc then Hens got a superior player for the last pick in the next round
This has gone from this originizations schizophrenic, OCD, nihilistm we have come to expect, to full out plum retard. . .
And I bet it ain’t over
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WOW LOOK WE GOT IN THIS DEAL!!!
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/15885 (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/15885)
Boy we more puckmovng fourth forwards don’t we.
Heh abc then Hens got a superior player for the last pick in the next round
This has gone from this originizations schizophrenic, OCD, nihilistm we have come to expect, to full out plum retard. . .
And I bet it ain’t over
So you like this acquisition?
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So you like this acquisition?
LOL
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So you like this acquisition?
:lol:
Only because it’s another nail in the coffin!! And it’ll take a lot
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Only because it’s another nail in the coffin!! And it’ll take a lot
I'm scratching my head too. There has to be more moves coming. :wackysmile:
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You guys know as well as I do, Kempny will solve every problem the Caps have! :wackysmile: Should of given them Sampsonov FOR HIM! :poop: Who needs prospects, we goin for gold! lol
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WOW LOOK WE GOT IN THIS DEAL!!!
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/15885 (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/15885)
Boy we more puckmovng fourth forwards don’t we.
Heh abc then Hens got a superior player for the last pick in the next round
This has gone from this originizations schizophrenic, OCD, nihilistm we have come to expect, to full out plum retard. . .
And I bet it ain’t over
A [size=78%]defenseman known for offense.... Waste of a pick.[/size]
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A [size=78%]defenseman known for offense.... Waste of a pick.[/size]
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:poop:
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Wings moved Murzak to Philly for a 3rd and 4th. Thought they’d get more for him than that . . .
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Looks like Chorney was placed on waivers.
https://www.tsn.ca/senators-waive-f-dumont-1.1005126
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More on Chorney.
http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/capitals-place-taylor-chorney-waivers-which-could-signal-something-or-nothing
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In reference to the story linked above, the Caps failed experiment last April was benching their hottest defenseman, Schmidt
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More on Chorney.
http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/capitals-place-taylor-chorney-waivers-which-could-signal-something-or-nothing (http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/capitals-place-taylor-chorney-waivers-which-could-signal-something-or-nothing)
So you trade one of the few picks you have for an “upgrade”, and put “Mr Healthy Scratch”, who’s a more solid Dman than two or three “projects”, on waivers getting nothing in return?
Dickless and BetaMale should be wearin pink bicycle helmets.
Soccer Moms get your 52 jerseys out storage!!!
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So you trade one of the few picks you have for an “upgrade”, and put “Mr Healthy Scratch”, who’s a more solid Dman than two or three “projects”, on waivers getting nothing in return?
Dickless and BetaMale should be wearin pink bicycle helmets.
Soccer Moms get your 52 jerseys out storage!!!
No, no, no - if there’s a God in heaven, please tell me GMBM isn’t dumb enough to try and get Green. Are there any capologists out there who can find a way to put this to rest because we have no cap room without some extraordinaire move?
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And... Djoos gets to play on his off side, with Orpik now! Happy days ahead!! :raspberry:
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So you trade one of the few picks you have for an “upgrade”, and put “Mr Healthy Scratch”, who’s a more solid Dman than two or three “projects”, on waivers getting nothing in return?
Dickless and BetaMale should be wearin pink bicycle helmets.
Soccer Moms get your 52 jerseys out storage!!!
I agree. That trade did nothing for us. Well thats my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.
I am worried that 52 will be returning here.
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I am worried that 52 will be returning here.
this we all agree on, isn't that boring :P
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No, no, no - if there’s a God in heaven, please tell me GMBM isn’t dumb enough to try and get Green. Are there any capologists out there who can find a way to put this to rest because we have no cap room without some extraordinaire move?
And the extraordinary move well made from GMBetaMales usual position: over a barrel
About the only thing that keeps this from happening we don’t have anything the Wings want. We have no 1st round, no 2nd, and almost no top prospects.
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this we all agree on, isn't that boring :P
I dont even really dislike Green but he doesn't fill our needs.
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So you trade one of the few picks you have for an “upgrade”, and put “Mr Healthy Scratch”, who’s a more solid Dman than two or three “projects”, on waivers getting nothing in return?
Dickless and BetaMale should be wearin pink bicycle helmets.
Soccer Moms get your 52 jerseys out storage!!!
If GMBM has proven one thing is that he knows nothing about defensemen. Aboslutely nothing:
Signs Orpik and Nisky At way over-market contracts. The rest of the league is shocked.
Trade deadline deal for Gleason - a total stiff.
Trade deadline deal for Shattenkirk, giving away the farm for what proved to be one of the worst defensemen to ever wear a Caps uniform.
Totally screws up the expansion draft and exposes Schmidt who would be our best defenseman this year and for years to come.
Now, he lets Chorney go for nothing. I bet Pittsburg picks him up.
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If GMBM has proven one thing is that he knows nothing about defensemen. Aboslutely nothing:
Signs Orpik and Nisky At way over-market contracts. The rest of the league is shocked.
Trade deadline deal for Gleason - a total stiff.
Trade deadline deal for Shattenkirk, giving away the farm for what proved to be one of the worst defensemen to ever wear a Caps uniform.
Totally screws up the expansion draft and exposes Schmidt who would be our best defenseman this year and for years to come.
Now, he lets Chorney go for nothing. I bet Pittsburg picks him up.
They can have him. He blows.
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If GMBM has proven one thing is that he knows nothing about defensemen. Aboslutely nothing:
Signs Orpik and Nisky At way over-market contracts. The rest of the league is shocked.
Trade deadline deal for Gleason - a total stiff.
Trade deadline deal for Shattenkirk, giving away the farm for what proved to be one of the worst defensemen to ever wear a Caps uniform.
Totally screws up the expansion draft and exposes Schmidt who would be our best defenseman this year and for years to come.
Now, he lets Chorney go for nothing. I bet Pittsburg picks him up.
You’re Damn Right!
GMBetaMale is all but cemented himself with Matt Millen and Mike Milbury for worst GM status.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d sign John Kitna and Rick Dipetro to play D
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Added another defenceman today.
https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-acquire-jakub-jerabek-from-montreal-canadiens/c-296197578
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Added another defenceman today.
https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-acquire-jakub-jerabek-from-montreal-canadiens/c-296197578 (https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-acquire-jakub-jerabek-from-montreal-canadiens/c-296197578)
Correction added another undersized, soft, puck moving forward to do the same things mgs the others do.
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If only we had this guy or Kempny in the lineup last night.... ; )
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More to look forward to:
On the Washington Capitals …Tom Gulitti (https://twitter.com/TomGulittiNHL/status/966021787178987520): Capitals GM Brian MacLellan (http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/maclebr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) continues trade talks, but if they make another move it would just be for added depth
-from mynhltraderumors on 2/21
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Correction added another undersized, soft, puck moving forward to do the same things mgs the others do.
This from a scouting review in a Montreal newspaper from 5/1/17 on the Habs picking him up:
"He backs this up with solid skating but he isn’t very physical. He does have some issues in his own zone."
Perfect - just what we needed, another undersized puck moving defenseman who has "issues in his own zone".
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This from a scouting review in a Montreal newspaper from 5/1/17 on the Habs picking him up:
"He backs this up with solid skating but he isn’t very physical. He does have some issues in his own zone."
Perfect - just what we needed, another undersized puck moving defenseman who has "issues in his own zone".
Right. So, he was a free agent 9 months ago but now we just had to have him so why not give up a draft pick? Sure seems like current management has a plan but wtf is it?!
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To be realistic, if it's not a high first round pick, this club really doesn't know what their doing anyway.. And even then they come up short half the time. They'll play this game of trading picks for trash and signing guys for way too much/way too long until we finally become the Redskins.. Future bright, ami right? :poop:
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This from a scouting review in a Montreal newspaper from 5/1/17 on the Habs picking him up:
"He backs this up with solid skating but he isn’t very physical. He does have some issues in his own zone."
Perfect - just what we needed, another undersized puck moving defenseman who has "issues in his own zone".
Are you fricken kidding me? We already have several of those guys. Doesn't the saying go you should add to your strengths? We are are adding to our weakness.
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If GMBM has proven one thing is that he knows nothing about defensemen. Aboslutely nothing:
Signs Orpik and Nisky At way over-market contracts. The rest of the league is shocked.
Trade deadline deal for Gleason - a total stiff.
Trade deadline deal for Shattenkirk, giving away the farm for what proved to be one of the worst defensemen to ever wear a Caps uniform.
Totally screws up the expansion draft and exposes Schmidt who would be our best defenseman this year and for years to come.
Now, he lets Chorney go for nothing. I bet Pittsburg picks him up.
Yup he sure blew it with our dcore. Doesn't look like its going to get any better any time soon
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Are you fricken kidding me? We already have several of those guys. Doesn't the saying go you should add to your strengths? We are are adding to our weakness.
But we're faster now! :wackysmile: Don't worry that he'll get blown off the puck, turn it over and make terrible passes... HE CAN SKATE!! :poop: And he "looks" like a young Carl Alzner!! "WINNING"!! :raspberry:
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To be realistic, if it's not a high first round pick, this club really doesn't know what their doing anyway.. And even then they come up short half the time. They'll play this game of trading picks for trash and signing guys for way too much/way too long until we finally become the Redskins.. Future bright, ami right? :poop:
:lol: :rofl: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl:
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To be realistic, if it's not a high first round pick, this club really doesn't know what their doing anyway.. And even then they come up short half the time. They'll play this game of trading picks for trash and signing guys for way too much/way too long until we finally become the Redskins.. Future bright, ami right? :poop:
I’m still laughin at this :lol: :lol:
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Thoughts?
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I guess I should have posted here instead.
Taylor Chorney to CBJ!
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Most of worked on NHL 17.
That’s how GMBetaMale and Dickless run this team
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Not very mobile and awful with the puck. Godspeed
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Most of worked on NHL 17.
That’s how GMBetaMale and Dickless run this team
I'm betting they are still using NHL16
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To be realistic, if it's not a high first round pick, this club really doesn't know what their doing anyway.. And even then they come up short half the time. They'll play this game of trading picks for trash and signing guys for way too much/way too long until we finally become the Redskins.. Future bright, ami right? :poop:
I have a friend that worked for danny boy during Gibbs 2.0. I was told Gibbs quit because of the mess that is that front office. Since Monumental is a committee I'm at least hopeful this front office is capable of learning something, maybe.
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I guess I should have posted here instead.
Taylor Chorney to CBJ!
the great thing about this forum being run by us is we can actually do things with it, like combine two very similar threads
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I'm betting they are still using NHL16
Ahhh, that would explain the “skill and speed only” agenda
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Rumors: One of theLamoureux twins for Oshie? Would do wonders for our cap problem and probably the same or slightly better production? :raspberry:
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Rumors: One of theLamoureux twins for Oshie? Would do wonders for our cap problem and probably the same or slightly better production? :raspberry:
That doesn't really help the Caps break the pattern of singing players that are too small physically, Caps should sign a couple of the Canadian defensemen thou, they got pretty good size
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Rumors: One of theLamoureux twins for Oshie? Would do wonders for our cap problem and probably the same or slightly better production? :raspberry:
There can’t be much to that. I doubt BetaMale would trade a popular player, fron hit most popular trade that he just resigned. . .
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I'm just curious to see which 28 year old minor leaguer we acquire today, and of course, how it makes the Capitals better now.
#window closed
#bald a$$hole
#one and done
ps - no offense to 28 year olds playing hockey anywhere, I just want to see the caps win a cup
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There can’t be much to that. I doubt BetaMale would trade a popular player, fron hit most popular trade that he just resigned. . .
I think your missing the cynicism, the Lamoureux twins are female, yet have more balls than quite a few players currently on the Caps roster
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#bald a$$hole
#one and done
this is a thread about hockey, please keep it on topic :rofl:
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I do wanna say, I'm not ready to give up on Oshie. He's paired with half the talent he's used to and the biggest problem still remains. This team needs a new captain. Someone with more energy and a better attitude, and given the current roster I'd still nominate him for the C.
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I do wanna say, I'm not ready to give up on Oshie. He's paired with half the talent he's used to and the biggest problem still remains. This team needs a new captain. Someone with more energy and a better attitude, and given the current roster I'd still nominate him for the C.
Over Beagle? No way. If it's not Beagle then Eller or Nisky over him as the C imo. Hell even Nicky over him probably. And I'm a big fan of Oshie just for his heart and work ethic. I for one am not super held up on his offensive output in the regular season, as with everything on this team he'll be judged more in the playoffs.
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I think your missing the cynicism, the Lamoureux twins are female, yet have more balls than quite a few players currently on the Caps roster
Not really. I mean that would be a great move during “hockey is for everyone” month :lol:
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No comments on our newbie?
I was hoping for some general info here....?
Like: Who is he?
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No comments on our newbie?
Just more trash that couldn't get ice on his last garbage truck.. He'll soon be lead technician here though. :angel:
On the "New Captain" front.. Put me down for Tom Fucking Wilson. Dude is a beast and never quits. I hope the fire alarm went off in Teds office after tonight. I'm tried of the whole team, coach and owner.. He's got 4 days to sell the whole fucking franchise. :O=
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He's got 4 days to sell the whole fucking franchise. :O=
that's a highly unrealistic timeframe, it's gonna take at least 3 weeks to find an eligible interested buyer
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that's a highly unrealistic timeframe, it's gonna take at least 3 weeks to find an eligible interested buyer
3 weeks from now he may not be able to GIVE them away. (though I'm sure he, BM and Patrick will try their best) :smirk:
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3 weeks from now he may not be able to GIVE them away. (though I'm sure he, BM and Patrick will try their best) :smirk:
I have .34 cents laying here on the coffee table. . .
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Three team deal Hens, Sens, and Knights (https://www.tsn.ca/tradecentre/trade-tracker)
The only good thing is now we just have Olesnak to deal with, but we can’t and won’t get anyone who can.
Oh and the Hens got Bassard and the Sens got Cole . . . Caps Kool Aide anyone?
Well at least GMGM went and got enforcement for the playoffs . . .
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Three team deal Hens, Sens, and Knights (https://www.tsn.ca/tradecentre/trade-tracker)
The only good thing is now we just have Olesnak to deal with, but we can’t and won’t get anyone who can.
Oh and the Hens got Bassard and the Sens got Cole . . . Caps Kool Aide anyone?
Well at least GMGM went and got enforcement for the playoffs . . .
:O=
They get better while we get worse... I feel like I did the day the pens traded for Kessel, disgusted. Hate this deal. What I hate just as much is that our management put themselves in a position so that they are not likely able to make a similar kind of deal. Very little cap room, few valuable assets. I know there's a few more days until the deadline but I won't be holding my breath.
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:O=
They get better while we get worse... I feel like I did the day the pens traded for Kessel, disgusted. Hate this deal. What I hate just as much is that our management put themselves in a position so that they are not likely able to make a similar kind of deal. Very little cap room, few valuable assets. I know there's a few more days until the deadline but I won't be holding my breath.
The issues really come down to would they be willing to part with one of “their” signings/projects, (iE Eller, Oshie, Bura, Bowey), and would they (namely GMBetaMale) have the ability to make a deal of that caliber, come out ahead and under cap?
It’s prettu clear the answer to both is no.
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This is another example (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/why-golden-knights-got-involved-053831217.html)of why I’m no convinced we should of canned Dickless and GMGM run of the place.
After sniffing around, he jumped in to not only make his team better, gain cap space, AND keep a division rival from getting better . . . Brilliant.
Meanwhile we’re assuredly gonna way overpay for Mike Green. . .
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWzgK8JXUAIH0wY?format=jpg&name=small)
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Right now I would say management has been our downfall. Bad trades, bad signings, weak drafting although some of that is due to the fact that we traded away a lot of draft picks. I mean we didnt pick until the 4th round last season. Maybe we should have kept GMGM. Do we miss him yet? I'm starting to miss him.
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don't forget it was GMGM that held on to Green about 3 years too long in the first place
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don't forget it was GMGM that held on to Green about 3 years too long in the first place
Yes, however I am doubting how many of the descisions of that ilk where his, or if he agreed to them at all and just had no choice.
The same trends have continued after he’s gone, but have amplified and gotten worse. All while in his new job, he has built one of the best teams in league, in the toughest division, with no superstars, and cap space to boot, all in one season.
While there’s a myriad of other factors, based on the two facts above, it’s pretty clear to see that the issue is with the Caps front office, and to speculate we’d have far better success if he had the power here that he has in Vegas
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don't forget it was GMGM that held on to Green about 3 years too long in the first place
Every GM makes mistakes but its been one mistake after another for the past year. The trade for Shattenkirk, overpaying for a few players in the off season forcing us to make a trade because we got ourselves in Cap trouble. We also lost some guys to free agency. Not to mention losing Schmidt in the expansion draft. And then look at the aquistions we made this season. All borderline players. It was a terrible year for management. I'd give them an F.
I'm beginning to think we may have been better off letting Oshie walk. We could have kept Johansson add maybe added a better option if defense. I know Johansson has had injury issues but so has Oshie. Keeping Johansson over Oshie would have saved on Cap space. He is also 4 years younger.
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Every GM makes mistakes but its been one mistake after another for the past year. The trade for Shattenkirk, overpaying for a few players in the off season forcing us to make a trade because we got ourselves in Cap trouble. We also lost some guys to free agency. Not to mention losing Schmidt in the expansion draft. And then look at the aquistions we made this season. All borderline players. It was a terrible year for management. I'd give them an F.
I'm beginning to think we may have been better off letting Oshie walk. We could have kept Johansson add maybe added a better option if defense. I know Johansson has had injury issues but so has Oshie. Keeping Johansson over Oshie would have saved on Cap space. He is also 4 years younger.
Yes, but there’s a difference between gambling and loosing, vs being a dumbass and/or having to follow the orders of a dumbass.
One of the prime examples is Hosea and Frazen. In hindsight, giving a contract to Johan Frazen over Marion Hossa is flat out ridiculous if not deliberately tanking a team. . .
But, at the time it was a young 200ft player that was setting playoff scoring records or an above average player that couldn’t win a Cup.
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GMs gamble sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Our GM gambled with the Shattenkirk deal but it didnt work. Everything he did after that was panicking, not gambling.
I'm not happy with the direction this team is going. It looked like the team was headed in the right direction. Finally developing some young players. It was obvious we needed some help in back end. And we can't just blame the rookies. Our veterans have been just as bad defensively. We dont have a shutdown dman on this team. I dont see the 2 new additions helping. If this is the direction we are going we may as well scrap whatever crappy system we are using and go with a run and gun system. This team us so bad defensively right now we need 5 goals to give us a chance.
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GMs gamble sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Our GM gambled with the Shattenkirk deal but it didnt work. Everything he did after that was panicking, not gambling.
I'm not happy with the direction this team is going. It looked like the team was headed in the right direction. Finally developing some young players. It was obvious we needed some help in back end. And we can't just blame the rookies. Our veterans have been just as bad defensively. We dont have a shutdown dman on this team. I dont see the 2 new additions helping. If this is the direction we are going we may as well scrap whatever crappy system we are using and go with a run and gun system. This team us so bad defensively right now we need 5 goals to give us a chance.
Yep - it’s hard to see how two, at best, bottom pairing defensemen who couldn’t routinely crack the lineup on two teams with poor defenses are going to help. Then again, how sad is it that our GM thinks two guys who couldn’t start for Montreal of Chicago are good enough to help us?
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Yep - it’s hard to see how two, at best, bottom pairing defensemen who couldn’t routinely crack the lineup on two teams with poor defenses are going to help. Then again, how sad is it that our GM thinks two guys who couldn’t start for Montreal of Chicago are good enough to help us?
A big part is the fad of loading up offensive Dmen was figured out by the rest of the league last year, which is why these guys didn’t crack the line up.
Hell even without Weber, I’d take Benn, Perry, and Alzner from Montreal over of any of D. . .This is a team debating trading their captain and your telling me we couldn’t get one of those guys?
Same two reasons, GMBetaMales ability and the front offices nihilistic view that they “know hockey”, “know how to win”, and won’t admit mistakes and make sacrifices to fix them.
Or as I said before, maybe priority is just 700 and if there’s no cup, “at least we had a chance”
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Nash to Boston (https://www.nhl.com/app/news/boston-acquires-rick-nash-from-new-york/c-296208168?tid=278542340)
Jeessshhhh. . . . .
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Nash to Boston (https://www.nhl.com/app/news/boston-acquires-rick-nash-from-new-york/c-296208168?tid=278542340)
Jeessshhhh. . . . .
I dont care about Nash. Big time playoff underachiever. I'm still hoping we pick up a real dman. We can go with what we have upfront. Although I wouldn't have a problem with adding va power forward.
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I dont care about Nash. Big time playoff underachiever. I'm still hoping we pick up a real dman. We can go with what we have upfront. Although I wouldn't have a problem with adding va power forward.
I’m more concerned about how much better the Bruins just got. They now have another huge 200ft player on a roster full of em.
I too wouldn’t mind a power forward, it what seems to be the most logical would be a player from the Beagle-mold that can help with face-offs, shut down, PK and play all 3 forwards. . . That could take pressure from the DCorps and reduce the liabilities from Connolly, Bura, Kuzy, Varna and others. . .but,it’s The Caps so it’s doubtful either will happen :rofl:
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I don’t care about Nash either. For some reason, we own the Bruins. My ideal scenario is we trade Carlson for two number ones and a prospect, but that ain’t happening. I just hope we don’t do something stupid.... again.
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I don’t care about Nash either. For some reason, we own the Bruins. My ideal scenario is we trade Carlson for two number ones and a prospect, but that ain’t happening. I just hope we don’t do something stupid.... again.
We aren't really in a position to trade Carlson unless we get a dman back. Still not sure why you guys are hating in him so much. He has been our best dman and it isn't even close. Mind you our dcore has sucked this year.
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We aren't really in a position to trade Carlson unless we get a dman back. Still not sure why you guys are hating in him so much.
Becaaaaause..
A. He costs too much
B. He's going to walk for nothing at the end of the year
C. We're not winning a cup w/ or w/o him..
D. All of the above.
:wackysmile:
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Becaaaaause..
A. He costs too much
B. He's going to walk for nothing at the end of the year
C. We're not winning a cup w/ or w/o him..
D. All of the above.
:wackysmile:
We dont know what he will sign for and we dont know if he is going to walk. Im OK with trading him if we get something decent in return. If we weren't going to make the playoffs trading him would be a no brainer.
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Carlson is debatably the Caps top Dman, but that isn’t hard to do with this team
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We aren't really in a position to trade Carlson unless we get a dman back. Still not sure why you guys are hating in him so much. He has been our best dman and it isn't even close. Mind you our dcore has sucked this year.
Yes, he’s the prettiest pig at the county fair, but he has more trade value than actual value for the Caps IMO. But, GMBM will not trade him, he will sign him for waaaay too much this off season and saddle us with another anchor from a collection of players who collectively fail every playoff season. It’s time to dismantle this team. I’m at the point I don’t think anyone, and I mean anyone, is untradeable.
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Problem is if you do trade Carlson, what do you replace him with?
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We dont know what he will sign for and we dont know if he is going to walk. Im OK with trading him if we get something decent in return. If we weren't going to make the playoffs trading him would be a no brainer.
Well once Holts goes Patrick Roy on Ted/Dickless/and Beta Male, they’ll have cap room to sign Carlson, and maybe Green and Shattenkirk too . . . >:(
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There is no way the Caps are going to trade Carlson. I expect the Caps will re-sign Carlson to a multi year contract and I have no problem with that. I am looking forward to seeing him paired with Kempny which I believe will happen against the Blue Jackets tomorrow night since they were paired together in today’s practice. While Kempny is not a shutdown defenseman he is very good at quickly getting the puck out of our end and we don’t get hemmed in our defensive zone. I think it is going to be a good pairing.
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Carlson is debatably the Caps top Dman, but that isn’t hard to do with this team
You are right. Being the Caps best dman isn't much of an accomplishment this year.
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Well once Holts goes Patrick Roy on Ted/Dickless/and Beta Male, they’ll have cap room to sign Carlson, and maybe Green and Shattenkirk too . . . >:(
I hope Holtby doesn't do a Patrick Roy. I wouldn't blame him. He looks completely disgusted every time he gives up a goal on a bad defensive play. There have been a lot. Some of it is on Holtby but our def is brutal.
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Yes, he’s the prettiest pig at the county fair, but he has more trade value than actual value for the Caps IMO. But, GMBM will not trade him, he will sign him for waaaay too much this off season and saddle us with another anchor from a collection of players who collectively fail every playoff season. It’s time to dismantle this team. I’m at the point I don’t think anyone, and I mean anyone, is untradeable.
Absolutely right. This fan base has been suckered into thinking that regular season wins mean we are capable of winning a Cup. We keep losing in the playoffs because none of our key guys have the leadership or the extra gear it takes to win it. The sooner we turn over this team and start accumulating assets the sooner we have a chance at a Cup.
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Hello All. As some know, my job has kept me in the "lurking" zone most of the season. But I am so f'ing happy to finally hear something I've been saying for seasons to Detroit and Lady. This team is not going to make it to the Cup and its that simple. While we can debate who we should or should not keep (I'm in the trade Ovechkin camp) whether its this trade-deadline or the off season or the upcoming draft, the ownership/senior management better get off of their asses or we're going to look like an even worse version of the present Rangers.
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Hello All. As some know, my job has kept me in the "lurking" zone most of the season. But I am so f'ing happy to finally hear something I've been saying for seasons to Detroit and Lady. This team is not going to make it to the Cup and its that simple. While we can debate who we should or should not keep (I'm in the trade Ovechkin camp) whether its this trade-deadline or the off season or the upcoming draft, the ownership/senior management better get off of their asses or we're going to look like an even worse version of the present Rangers.
Welcome back!!
Give us a shout this week if ya can!
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Absolutely right. This fan base has been suckered into thinking that regular season wins mean we are capable of winning a Cup. We keep losing in the playoffs because none of our key guys have the leadership or the extra gear it takes to win it. The sooner we turn over this team and start accumulating assets the sooner we have a chance at a Cup.
Hey speak for yourself :rofl:
But yes, this is all on the ownership and Caps management.
Since Ovie got here it’s been “just make the playoffs as we have ‘a chance’”. Which has turned into “entertain for 82 games and put the proverbial carrot on the stick for the playoffs because playoff style teams wont sell as much for the other 82 “ then just charge as 4x for two rounds of playoff tickets so they don’t get that much of a hit.
What really pisses me off is they continue the “we know hockey, you don’t” line, which year after year gets proved wrong
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Ottawa flips Cole (https://www.tsn.ca/tradecentre/trade-tracker) to get a player and pick. . .
Another example of being a good GM.
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AJ Jakubec (https://twitter.com/AJonSports/status/968134353661382661): Sources saying that the Washington Capitals are making a push for defenseman Erik Karlsson. They would likely have to move pending UFA defenseman John Carlson to get a deal done.
Obviously, this is a pretty crazy push here but if we find a way to make a deal to upgrade to the better Karlsson I'll be absolutely happy. I'm not saying that to bash the Carlson fans here, as some have said you can make the argument he's been one of our best D men. My issue with our Carlson has always been his ability to crumble under pressure. Erik Karlsson is CLEARLY the more superior player. And any deal like this would likely involve us giving up some of our younger players (Vrana, Burt, Bowey etc.) and rumor has it Ottawa wants to package Bobby Ryan up with Karlsson.
If we make a deal like this, for two playoff hungry notable veterans and actually make the signal to go for it, even if it doesn't solve all our grit issues, I'd at least applaud the GM and team for finally trying to set a direction and truly going for it. It would give us a legitimate number one D finally. And who knows potentially more.
But I'm also still not holding my breath. Rumors are just that, if GMBM wants to lay his cards out and make the push Ovechkin and this core deserves than we have to pay the price to get the players that we need to solve our problems. There is a market out there, for another D, for grit, Joel Ward is back on the market. And it's not the old NHL. 3-way deals, and teams keeping Cap. If you are willing to give these rebuilding teams young players going forward then they will find ways to make things work. Ottawa is the perfect example of that as they have been going full rebuild here. It's almost like it's smart to pick a direction with your team, and stick to it, not all this wishy washy shit we do. So the ball is in your court today GMBM, we are watching, impress us.
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Thinking about it from a salary cap position too for those interested, while Erik Karlsson does have a 6.5 cap hit this season, he's also signed into next. "Dylan" as Lil likes to call him currently has a cap hit of 3.9, but as we know he's a upcoming UFA and he'll be making no less than 7 mill from UFA in my earnest opinion. We'd still obviously have to give up more off our books to make a deal work for this season, but upgrading to the better Karlsson would still technically save us money next season pending on if we resigned John Carlson imo.
That said, Erik probably demands no less than 8 maybe even 9+ after that. Especially if the salary cap goes up. It's a big reason why he's rumored to even be in trade talks, Ottawa isn't a team that likes to spend to the Cap as they have a more money tight owner. Combine that with them going into rebuild and it just doesn't make sense to throw 9-10 mill at a big name player like that.
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Well, it was set up to be a 3-way deal is what they're saying. But wow, has the trades slowed down after Stasny getting shipped to Edmonton got announced.
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More importantly, what number would karlsson wear?
I'll be shocked if it happens......
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AJ Jakubec (https://twitter.com/AJonSports/status/968134353661382661): Sources saying that the Washington Capitals are making a push for defenseman Erik Karlsson. They would likely have to move pending UFA defenseman John Carlson to get a deal done.
Obviously, this is a pretty crazy push here but if we find a way to make a deal to upgrade to the better Karlsson I'll be absolutely happy. I'm not saying that to bash the Carlson fans here, as some have said you can make the argument he's been one of our best D men. My issue with our Carlson has always been his ability to crumble under pressure. Erik Karlsson is CLEARLY the more superior player. And any deal like this would likely involve us giving up some of our younger players (Vrana, Burt, Bowey etc.) and rumor has it Ottawa wants to package Bobby Ryan up with Karlsson.
If we make a deal like this, for two playoff hungry notable veterans and actually make the signal to go for it, even if it doesn't solve all our grit issues, I'd at least applaud the GM and team for finally trying to set a direction and truly going for it. It would give us a legitimate number one D finally. And who knows potentially more.
But I'm also still not holding my breath. Rumors are just that, if GMBM wants to lay his cards out and make the push Ovechkin and this core deserves than we have to pay the price to get the players that we need to solve our problems. There is a market out there, for another D, for grit, Joel Ward is back on the market. And it's not the old NHL. 3-way deals, and teams keeping Cap. If you are willing to give these rebuilding teams young players going forward then they will find ways to make things work. Ottawa is the perfect example of that as they have been going full rebuild here. It's almost like it's smart to pick a direction with your team, and stick to it, not all this wishy washy shit we do. So the ball is in your court today GMBM, we are watching, impress us.
god no. . . .just no . . . . .
one or two "stars" isn't going to make a difference at this point, just to more of the same ol same . . .
for the love of christ fire Dickless and his Beta cronies. . .
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. . .this should be the Caps Trade Deadline theme
https://youtu.be/M4OEc40IKY4
Well, Hockey Is For Everyone isn't it?
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More importantly, what number would karlsson wear?
I'll be shocked if it happens......
he could wear 74, seems like a fair trade
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. . .this should be the Caps Trade Deadline theme
https://youtu.be/M4OEc40IKY4 (https://youtu.be/M4OEc40IKY4)
Well, Hockey Is For Everyone isn't it?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2UwAyQZaiko
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5 Min Left!!
https://youtu.be/Zat9CRfUr-E
GMBetaMale kinda does look like Benny Hill doesn't he?
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Well, 3:03. . . just waiting to see if am paper work has yet to clear, and/or the excuses to get made up
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And we do nothing. :thumbsdown: Front office needs replacing.
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Oh and to make matters worse TB got McDonaugh.
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Oh and to make matters worse TB got McDonaugh.
Yep. . .
McDonagh to TBL,
Jooris to Hens,
Tatar to VGK
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Couldn't even get one of the Lamoureux twins for Oshie deal done.. :'( lol.. I think in this instance, no news is good news.. Once this season is over with, I honestly think Ted will pull the plug and get an actual GM in here! Won't he? :cross:
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And we do nothing. :thumbsdown: Front office needs replacing.
Well, from a certain point of view. . . its better that we (maybe) did nothing. There is simply to much needed on this team to make a run at the dead line.
However, we know that isn't the case. What ever was (or still is) out there they where looking for, our front office couldn't get it done, either by not having or willing to part with certain assets, and/or passing the ability to manipulate the other GM into making it a bargain for us (see GMGM, Ottawa, NYR, and Hens as examples).
Either way, anything short of a firesale isn't gonna do much good for some time.
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Why make the off season deals you did if you're not willing to take the leap?
Ante up.
Or, just blow it up.
You can't play the middle.
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Why make the off season deals you did if you're not willing to take the leap?
Ante up.
Or, just blow it up.
You can't play the middle.
Welcome to the Boards!
I pretty sure they thought they could do something today this summer, which is a big piece of the problem
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Why make the off season deals you did if you're not willing to take the leap?
Ante up.
Or, just blow it up.
You can't play the middle.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, having done nothing [at least nothing reported yet] makes me think the Caps are planning on re-signing Carlson.
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Yep. . .
McDonagh to TBL,
Jooris to Hens,
Tatar to VGK
That's sick for TBL. McDonagh on your second pairing or paired with Hedman late in close games - with Vasilevsky in goal - good luck scoring against them. They also got JT Miller, which adds more speed to a blazing fast lineup. The only good news is that maybe, just maybe, they can send the F'n Penguins home in the ECF and not give them a shot at three-peating.
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Couldn't even get one of the Lamoureux twins for Oshie deal done.. :'( lol.. I think in this instance, no news is good news.. Once this season is over with, I honestly think Ted will pull the plug and get an actual GM in here! Won't he? :cross:
I think when Ted lost all that weight his gonads disappeared as well
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I think when Ted lost all that weight his gonads disappeared as well
More than likely, you're correct. :-( So, what happened with the late, great, gang Green? Nobody wanted to rent him for a playoff run?? ??? Thought he was the most sought after 4th scoring forward on the moving block? :lol:
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Chimera is now a Duck
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Chimera is now a Duck
But he can’t play . . . >:(
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More than likely, you're correct. :-( So, what happened with the late, great, gang Green? Nobody wanted to rent him for a playoff run?? ??? Thought he was the most sought after 4th scoring forward on the moving block? :lol:
More than certainly GMBetaMale bumbled and out mamouverd.
There was zero logic in him realistically after Karlsson, particularly after the disasterous off season he had a who he was going up against.
A better GM would of driven up the price of Karlsson, and snuck a desk for Green in while everyone was looking at Karlsson,. . .
Or tried held out to get the second playay on your list st, for three picks you don’t need, or get three picks and hold on to a D that can help with a playoff push
Or sneak a deal for the ot D to help your first place team in while everyone watches Karlsson.
If not, just say “we like where we are, didn’t see a good deal”. . . :P
Dickless and GMBetaMale are out of their league and need to relieved of their duties ASAP[/size][size=78%] [/size]
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I've paid so little attention as of late I totally forgot when the trade deadline was lol. Had no idea it was today. Glad I didn't waste time watching anything. I figured Caps would do nothing anyway.
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But he can’t play . . . >:(
Hey I always liked Chimera.
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Pretty disappointed we didnt make a move for McDonaugh.
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Hey I always liked Chimera.
Don’t worry, that was sarcasm ;D
Many on the old site thought he, Ward, Fehr and others “couldn’t play”, after the Rags series . . . which by Caps Orginization and fans definition means “not 1way toe-dragging Eurotrash and/or puck moving Dman that doesn’t hit or fight” . . .
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Leaf[size=78%]s got a lot better. Of everyone who moved if loved to have had mcdongagh, Kane or pacorety.... Spelling be damned.[/size]
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Leaf[size=78%]s got a lot better. Of everyone who moved if loved to have had mcdongagh, Kane or pacorety.... Spelling be damned.[/size]
nah, I'm pretty sure that's how Kane is spelt
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I think Joel Ward is still out there.......
It was our Smiffy who took him out, sadly. No sense of propriety from the kids these days, huh? I think we could get him cheap.... Best board player in the league. Still.
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I think Joel Ward is still out there.......
It was our Smiffy who took him out, sadly. No sense of propriety from the kids these days, huh? I think we could get him cheap.... Best board player in the league. Still.
Hell, if they really wanted to make a playoff run -and- save some money, they could of moved a couple of our 3rd line guys (Eller, Connolly, Burt) for draft picks and cap cuts and brought back Chimer, Fehr AND Ward for peanuts.. Could of probably even sold it to the fans as the "3 amigos" or something and had some fun with it.. One last shot before the rebuild begins..
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Hell, if they really wanted to make a playoff run -and- save some money, they could of moved a couple of our 3rd line guys (Eller, Connolly, Burt) for draft picks and cap cuts and brought back Chimer, Fehr AND Ward for peanuts.. Could of probably even sold it to the fans as the "3 amigos" or something and had some fun with it.. One last shot before the rebuild begins..
that would've been interesting, and Ward and Chimmer always brought plenty of energy on and off the ice. But it wouldn't fix the real problem, no defense. With some real defense the offense could open up
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that would've been interesting, and Ward and Chimmer always brought plenty of energy on and off the ice. But it wouldn't fix the real problem, no defense. With some real defense the offense could open up
It wouldn't of helped this year, but maybe once they get a coach who isn't afraid of youth they could of had some picks and cap room to make improvements in the offseason. They could of at least had some fun in the post season with the old crew. I doubt it would of made any significant difference in how far they get though. Looks like a 1st round exit to me, either way.
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Well, we missed out again, yeah like GMBetaMale and Dickless would get a guy who can get an elite fighter and top D player for fourth round pick. Even if he now has concussion issues, he’s an upgrade to all our Dman and only cost a 4th if he goes out.
Oleksiak (https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25871188/penguins-trade-defenseman-jamie-oleksiak-back-stars%3fplatform=amp) traded back to Stars (!)
And just because it’s the greatest team song ever:
https://youtu.be/JuWJ0cNdTBU (https://youtu.be/JuWJ0cNdTBU)
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We need to say bye to Burakovsky and get some help on defense. Otherwise the boys are going to be golfing it up way earlier than we'd hoped.
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Oh, and let’s not forget how Toronto just stole a D man that’s better than any of ours.
Muzzin (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/maple-leafs-get-jake-muzzin-in-blockbuster-trade-with-kings-to-fill-defensive-need/amp/) to Leafs
Which makes Toronto even more deadly this year (https://theathletic.com/790246/2019/01/28/nhl-trade-grades-muzzin-trade-a-hell-of-a-deal-for-maple-leafs/)
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We need to say bye to Burakovsky and get some help on defense. Otherwise the boys are going to be golfing it up way earlier than we'd hoped.
Cross LA off possible takers for Bura with the Muzzlin trade.
It’s very likely we don’t (iow can not), make any deals before or at the deadline. The mess of cap space, contract value, originizational depth, draft position, number of draft picks, BetaMales ability, and organizational philosophy put us at a disadvantage in almost any trade scenario.
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GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!
https://www.nhl.com/app/news/derick-brassard-riley-sheahan-traded-to-florida-panthers-by-pittsburgh-penguins/c-304375216
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GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!
https://www.nhl.com/app/news/derick-brassard-riley-sheahan-traded-to-florida-panthers-by-pittsburgh-penguins/c-304375216 (https://www.nhl.com/app/news/derick-brassard-riley-sheahan-traded-to-florida-panthers-by-pittsburgh-penguins/c-304375216)
Hey now, GMBM knows what he's doing. Beyond that the Caps don't need forewards, they need defensemen
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Hey now, GMBM knows what he's doing. Beyond that the Caps don't need forewards, they need defensemen
Touché
But Sheehan, Bjugs, and even Bassard could not only replace Keller and/or Suzy at center, or move them to LW/RW, but could play F better than the rifffafg we have now
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Touché
But Sheehan, Bjugs, and even Bassard could not only replace Keller and/or Suzy at center, or move them to LW/RW, but could play F better than the rifffafg we have now
yea, but the Caps don't have the cap space for all that. What can be freed up with the Bura trade needs to go to defense, that doesn't mean it will though
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yea, but the Caps don't have the cap space for all that. What can be freed up with the Bura trade needs to go to defense, that doesn't mean it will though
True, but any of these guys would help the team D more than any of our “pinching” Dman
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Another “4th line scrub”, that could of really helped us gets moved to another contender:
I’m not a big Boyle (https://washingtoncapitalsfanforum.com/ttps://www.nhl.com/app/news/nashville-predators-acquire-brian-boyle-in-trade-with-new-jersey-devils/c-304542216) fan, but he’d help us like he will The Preds
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Another “4th line scrub”, that could of really helped us gets moved to another contender:
I’m not a big Boyle (https://washingtoncapitalsfanforum.com/ttps://www.nhl.com/app/news/nashville-predators-acquire-brian-boyle-in-trade-with-new-jersey-devils/c-304542216) fan, but he’d help us like he will The Preds
All he does is bring experience, size, grit, net front presence and solidify our 4th line center position - but, hey, why would we want that?
With Austin Watson out, he is just what the Preds need.
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All he does is bring experience, size, grit, net front presence and solidify our 4th line center position - but, hey, why would we want that? With Austin Watson out, he is just what the Preds need.
And The Preds added another who could REALLY helped: Cody McLeod.
That’s some bullshit about Austin Watson. The NHL has their head so far up their ass they end up being a day late and over-compensating to try and to “look good”.
if this league is gonna sustain what credibility it has left, it needs to quit tryin to kill its manhood
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Alex Pietrangelo rumor, thoughts?
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Alex Pietrangelo rumor, thoughts?
If I was a Blues fan and my GM touched the chemistry they have right now, let alone trading their captain, I'd run him out of town. Do they need Bura? What else do we have that we're willing to part with that they would want? Cap space?
It'd be a nice thought, but I can't see this deal happening.
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Do they need Bura? What else do we have that we're willing to part with that they would want? Cap space?
Orlov? I think this particular group is spent, personally.. They need to trade someone you wouldn't expect, to get their attention.. Alan May saying how they're just tired, out of gas and due for a lapse?? I get mental fatigue, but if you can't get up for a division game, where the opponent just mocked you on your home ice, you may as well just give up.. Could be a season ending road trip if they don't wake up.
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Orlov? I think this particular group is spent, personally.. They need to trade someone you wouldn't expect, to get their attention.. Alan May saying how they're just tired, out of gas and due for a lapse?? I get mental fatigue, but if you can't get up for a division game, where the opponent just mocked you on your home ice, you may as well just give up.. Could be a season ending road trip if they don't wake up.
You’re right, and given the current cap mess, it might take both Bura and Orlov
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So what IS the Alex P rumor?
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So what IS the Alex P rumor?
More fan-fiction than rumor: https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/capitals-potential-trade-deadline-target-case-and-against-alex-pietrangelo (https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/capitals-potential-trade-deadline-target-case-and-against-alex-pietrangelo)
They have a point that GMBetaMakw likes big name trades-deadline moves, but he’s probably gonna need to part with more than Monumentals willing to part with here
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After last night -plus- Burt playing well for an -entire- week, we're now offering up Dowd and Boyd as deadline bait!! :rofl: They want Burt to play better to gain interest, but as soon as he does they won't trade him.. "He's finally getting it" I can hear it now..
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After last night -plus- Burt playing well for an -entire- week, we're now offering up Dowd and Boyd as deadline bait!! :rofl: They want Burt to play better to gain interest, but as soon as he does they won't trade him.. "He's finally getting it" I can hear it now..
Good call Mick!!
TOTALLY AGREE!!
No true fan is ever unhappy, when one of their players has a good streak, IN, AND OF ITSELF,! Even a short one, viewed as a singular event, is always GOOD!!
HELLO PEOPLE!! We have a little thing called HISTORY, on Bura, and A LOT of it!!!
Bura ALWAYS has a good streak, EVERY SEASON that he’s been a PRO!! Sometimes he’s even had TWO short litttle streaks in a season!!!.......Well frickin’ slap my ass, and call me Sally...SO WHAT!!
He is CONSISTENT!! Not at “getting it”! He’s VERY CONSISTENT at having been given super OPPORTUNITIES, to discover if he IS “getting it”!
H E I S N O T “G E T T I N G IT” N O W, E I T H E R !!!
He has not “finally come to understand”!! He does not “have a grip on things, now”!!
What he HAS done, is FAILED to respond positively to at least SIX, public disciplinary events!!
Never once positively responding in the time period following shortly after the discipline!!
RATHER, his “improvement”, AT BEST, came in a patternless, random fashion, without regard to whether the team was desperately in NEED, or NOT in need, of his newly found “good streak”!
We’ve made excuse, after excuse, for him, over the last few years, AND SO HAVE HIS COACHES!!
Bura has had a level of patience extended to him, that defies most pro sports logic!
NEVER, have I heard him utter a word of appreciation TO ANYBODY, in reference to those coaches OR fans, who have tolerated his career, thus far!! I’m not talking about the typical “thank you’s”, for the opportunity to play, Hell thats common to hear from many players!! I’m talking about specifically to his
singular and unique experiences! (And I am a post game interview hound dog)!!
What he has done lately, is having an uptick in his performance on the ice, which has helped our team!!
Surprise!!....That’s his expected JOB! We aren’t blessed OR lucky if Bura decides to play well!!
He’s having a good streak! That’s a GOOD THING! But here’s a nice little test if you’re not sure how you feel about Bura’s new good streak:
Ok... You magically get $10,000 given to you from a genie. You have only two things you are permitted to do with this money:
1) Bet it all that Bura will be a consistent, dominantly scoring, forward, for the rest of his career in the NHL. Feared by defenseman, throughout the league, and becoming a hall of famer, in the end!
OR
2) Bet it all that Bura’s career never blossoms to his talents potential, predictably sputtering, in and out of acceptable play, ALL THE TIME!!! He will have occasional good streaks, but predominantly marked, more often, by sub-par play, more “mental issues”, resets, talking about how his legs are “feeling good”, etc. etc!!
Show me the $, if you’re betting on #1, and I will show you my $ for betting on #2!!
Matter of fact, I’ll take on any amount!!
Still liking what #65 is bringing, as of late, however!!
Rush
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Even when playing organized sports, I've never slapped another man on the ass, so I'll pass on that one. :snicker:
Watching Bura's hot streak it had occurred to me as well that GMGM thinks he's finally got it, even though we all know Bura doesn't know what "it" is.
The team was on fire in San José, gotta wonder where that's been all season, but as long as they keep it up its the right time of year for it. This team still needs help on Dfence though. Quality help too, not another Shitpants trade, and not a rental.
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Even when playing organized sports, I've never slapped another man on the ass, so I'll pass on that one. :snicker:
Watching Bura's hot streak it had occurred to me as well that GMGM thinks he's finally got it, even though we all know Bura doesn't know what "it" is.
The team was on fire in San José, gotta wonder where that's been all season, but as long as they keep it up its the right time of year for it. This team still needs help on Dfence though. Quality help too, not another Shitpants trade, and not a rental.
Fine. You want quality defensive help sometime in the next 10 days. I presume that means you want a stout defender with some experience (no young/unproven players) who has shown capability to at least challenge for a top-4 defensive role; not 3rd pair/depth defensemen. The problem is that you have to pay for someone like that, more even than the room Burakovsky would provide, and there isn't enough cap space to handle a really expensive option even if you DO get rid of Bura somehow. And then you have to worry about whether it's a rental or whether the player has more years remaining on his current contract, because the Caps have some resigns coming up that will cost some money.
As for the San Jose game: Funny, the way San Jose players/management described it, it wasn't so much the Caps as San Jose not being ready to play the other night for whatever reasons. Down games happen to EVERYBODY. Down periods during games happen to EVERYBODY. From the way we hear things described on this site you'd think the Caps are the only team with down times; everyone else is playing full out, 60 minutes a game every game. It just isn't true.
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The problem is that you have to pay for someone like that, more even than the room Burakovsky would provide, and there isn't enough cap space to handle a really expensive option even if you DO get rid of Bura somehow.
Burt + Orlov = 8.1 million in cap space.
As for the San Jose game: Funny, the way San Jose players/management described it, it wasn't so much the Caps as San Jose not being ready to play the other night for whatever reasons.
Everybody has an excuse, but San Jose "not being ready" had nothing to do with the crisp, fast, tape to tape passing that helped us exit our zone (and get through the neutral zone) like a professional hockey team, for a change.. That was the catalyst for the nights success, imo. That and Holtby stood on his head 3 or 4 times.
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Hey Mick!
I do like the Bura/Orlov trade idea! That would be my wish list trade!
2 things I see working against it, though.
1) There is time left b4 deadline, but it is approaching, and will be gone before we know it.
2) More significant, I believe, is in asking who would want Orlov, with his nice contract that GMBM gave him?? Don’t think either Bura or Orly will draw their cap hit equivalent against the Caps. Maybe a lucky “needs” type fit for Bura, for a team that is speedy forward desperate, but what defensive need will Orlov fill, when judged by another teams GM?
If legal, maybe GMBM shops for 6 mil, for both, pays out of pocket, the other 2 mil makeup money, and hope the cap space is at 5-6 mil when all said and done. I’ve no idea on NHL legality of this scenario. But just throwing it out there.
As far as Caps play at San Jose, I’m kind of a hybrid between you and Black on this one. I too thought our passing was a bit more crisp, and saw SOME improvement in bringing up the puck out of our zone! Better yet, I liked our increased hustle and “buying in”, by the team! Not letting the first goal get them down!
However, if you’ve been watching San Jose, over the last month or two, as a fan, you would have to say that they were undoubtedly flat! They’ve also had our number over the recent years past, and they appeared a bit sluggish to me, in general!
In the end though, there are more numerous accolades for the Caps, from our win, than the negatives put on San Jose’s play! Mainly and simply, we needed a WIN, after that shit show, in Columbus! AND we needed an DOMINANT style game even more! AND We SHOULD’VE defeated a great San Jose team when they’ve played a little off kilter!!! AND WE DID, SOUNDLY!!!!
Rush
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Even when playing organized sports, I've never slapped another man on the ass, so I'll pass on that one. :snicker:
Watching Bura's hot streak it had occurred to me as well that GMGM thinks he's finally got it, even though we all know Bura doesn't know what "it" is.
The team was on fire in San José, gotta wonder where that's been all season, but as long as they keep it up its the right time of year for it. This team still needs help on Dfence though. Quality help too, not another Shitpants trade, and not a rental.
LOL Alta!
Believe it or not, I actually borrowed that expression from a bottle of hot sauce, that I saw while in one of those Spice and Sauce stores!
Yes, it’s brand name is actually “Smack my ass and call me Sally”! There were other good ones also!
“Woman Scorned”
“Butt Welder”
Just to name a few...LOL
Rush
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Hey Mick!
I do like the Bura/Orlov trade idea! That would be my wish list trade!
2 things I see working against it, though.
Rush
Oh, it's most definitely a Caps friendly/fantasy trade idea.. lol
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there's been a few other interesting trades, Lovejoy to Dallas, Matt Duchene to Columpass....
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-trade-tracker-2019-rumors-completed-deals-as-deadline-nears/1bkq5ktpl7dtaz5e90dic1cyl (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-trade-tracker-2019-rumors-completed-deals-as-deadline-nears/1bkq5ktpl7dtaz5e90dic1cyl)
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Happy Trade Deadline Day
First one: Nyquist to San Jose (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2019/02/25/detroit-red-wings-trade-gustav-nyquist-san-jose-sharks/2977055002/)
His NTC made it tricky, but Holland still got two picks for him. This rebuild is fun as hell witness! Moving good young tradable players to make room for their several great prospects, and collecting draft picks for (reliable rumours say), The Captain to take over next year.
Even if you don’t like em, this fun to watch!!
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Are we done do you think? With player swapping, I mean.
Would love to see Burka gone. He is dead weight. Worse than dead weight. He is not just a non factor, he is a negative factor. He is SO SOFT on the puck. Even if his O skills would wake up, he still just a breakaway lone gun kind of asset. He just can't hold on to the puck when ANY pressure is on him. His board battles are ridiculous. I would rather see Hagelin on the 3rd line and Burka gone. We have several guys I would rather see on the 3/4 lines than Burky. Jaskin, hell even DSP is a better 4th line guy than Burky. I'd take any of Jaskin, Dowd, Stepho, Boyd, before Burka. With Hagelin's speed, I'd move him to line 3 (he IS a LW) and have Jaskin/Dowd/Boyd/Stephenson on line four. Or if you want, move Boyd or Stepho up to Line 3 and leave Hagelin on 4th line. but I'd like to see him on the 3rd line. I think Boyd/Dowd/Jaskin is a decent 4th line. Swap Boyd/Dowd at C if you like....or swap out Stepho, but I'm okay with any of them
IF Hagelin was brought in specifically to replace Burky, and we have plans to actually move him, then extra BRAVO to GMBM.
I realize his trade value is nothing, but he is a waste of a roster spot on the 3/4 lines. Total waste.
Ship him off to a team that really needs a sniper and could utilize him, and get a draft pick back or bag of old pucks or something. (small bag of old pucks) :snicker:
My only other thought is the Caps are holding onto Burka just to keep him out of the hands of an opponent for the playoffs.
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Are we done do you think? With player swapping, I mean.
Would love to see Burka gone. He is dead weight. Worse than dead weight. He is not just a non factor, he is a negative factor. He is SO SOFT on the puck. Even if his O skills would wake up, he still just a breakaway lone gun kind of asset. He just can't hold on to the puck when ANY pressure is on him. His board battles are ridiculous. I would rather see Hagelin on the 3rd line and Burka gone. We have several guys I would rather see on the 3/4 lines than Burky. Jaskin, hell even DSP is a better 4th line guy than Burky. I'd take any of Jaskin, Dowd, Stepho, Boyd, before Burka. With Hagelin's speed, I'd move him to line 3 (he IS a LW) and have Jaskin/Dowd/Boyd/Stephenson on line four. Or if you want, move Boyd or Stepho up to Line 3 and leave Hagelin on 4th line. but I'd like to see him on the 3rd line. I think Boyd/Dowd/Jaskin is a decent 4th line. Swap Boyd/Dowd at C if you like....or swap out Stepho, but I'm okay with any of them
IF Hagelin was brought in specifically to replace Burky, and we have plans to actually move him, then extra BRAVO to GMBM.
I realize his trade value is nothing, but he is a waste of a roster spot on the 3/4 lines. Total waste.
Ship him off to a team that really needs a sniper and could utilize him, and get a draft pick back or bag of old pucks or something. (small bag of old pucks) :snicker:
My only other thought is the Caps are holding onto Burka just to keep him out of the hands of an opponent for the playoffs.
The main target has been mentioned would be MoJo (who would be a massive upgrade to Bura, like I said before we traded him), The issue is not only his price going up (way more than the 3rd GMBetaMale got for him), but cluster fuck our salary cap is in, (Mojo makes 1 and chance more).
Another is Simmons, but I don’t see Philly taking Bura for him.
McQuaid is the one I’ve wanted for a while, but he isn’t the type of player Monumental likes
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Brassard, (though I’d prefer Shehann), would also be a good move for Bura. He’s awesome on faceoffs and could move Eller or Kuzy out to LW/RW and fortify the PK
Sorry, anyone who thinks we don’t need help at center other than Nick, Dowd, and Boyd. . . We’re last in the NHL in faceoffs, a pathetic PK, and TJ Oshie is taking faceoffs too. Whatever stats Kuzy and Keller get, it ain’t enough to make up for that
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Will scratch Brassard, he’s off to the Avs for a 3rd 😡
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Cross Mquaid off too . . .CBJ has been goin nuts today
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Cross Mquaid off too . . .CBJ has been goin nuts today
Guess they want to win the first ever playoff series in year 20 lol.
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Guess they want to win the first ever playoff series in year 20 lol.
Looks that way,and that there’s some heads on the chopping block, cause fuckin around they are not
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Its 3:10 and I see no mention of the Caps picking up someone, anyone that would be an improvement at the faceoff dot
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Was just about to post that i'm surprised Simmonds didn't go, then they announced Simmonds to Nashville for Fiala.
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Yep, ol' Burt timed that warm streak perfectly.. No way they were trading him on an up swing.. He might actually be "getting it" now!! :uh-huh: :rofl:
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Jim Rutherford traded for Gudbranson from Vancouver - Tom Wilson has to be in the back of Rutherford's mind. Gudbranson is one tough hombre. Impressive list of "wins" on hockeyfights.com
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Johanssen traded to Bruins..
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Yep, ol' Burt timed that warm streak perfectly.. No way they were trading him on an up swing.. He might actually be "getting it" now!! :uh-huh: :rofl:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Johanssen traded to Bruins..
Shieiiiiiiit, . . . They are gonna be NASTY
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Jim Rutherford traded for Gudbranson from Vancouver - Tom Wilson has to be in the back of Rutherford's mind. Gudbranson is one tough hombre. Impressive list of "wins" on hockeyfights.com
Gudbranson is an interesting character, to say the least. He was the 3rd pick in the 2010 draft, by FLA. In 6 full years plus parts of 2 others in the NHL he has never averaged less than 17;59 TOI, has averaged over 20 MPG twice, so he has been PLAYED as a top-6 forward, time wise. He has scored in double digits in points only once in his career, has never had double digits in either goals or assists, and is a career -97 +/-. He has had plenty of opportunity to play and has never made anything of it. Now you can say he's been part of not-so-good teams, but when you are a #3 pick you are supposed to be one of the guys who helps pull your team out of mediocrity. Everything suggests that the man simply doesn't have the skills.
I suspect that if he were our player, he would have been pushed into the volcano years ago, with a tremendous uproar about what a waste of a #3 draft pick. WHY has this man been given all this ice time?? Tom Wilson, when he was cast as a 4th line tough guy, did better than THAT in half the ice time.
The current pick for volcano on the Caps is Burakovsky, a #24 pick I believe. In reality, for the Caps he is probably sort of their version of Brett Connolly pre-Caps -- and Connolly was a #6 pick when he was drafted. Connolly is a career +1 +/-, and Burakovsky is a career +27 so far. This has been the first year that Burakovsky has been a negative +/-, which suggests that, at least defensively, he is probably not a huge liability. And to my eyes at least, he isn't. He is reasonably disciplined on defense without the puck, back checks pretty well (though with finesse, not strength), and his +/- performance seems to dovetail with that. The complaint with Burakovsky seems to be predominantly on the offensive end, and I will admit it is pretty frustrating to watch. People ask why he hasn't been banished to the bench or better yet, to some other team. It may be that he has been competent enough defensively that the team continues to wait for him to break out offensively, realizing that at worst, he isn't costing them an arm and a leg defensively.
OOPS -- correction. Burakovsky was a #23 pick.
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Gudbranson is an interesting character, to say the least. He was the 3rd pick in the 2010 draft, by FLA. In 6 full years plus parts of 2 others in the NHL he has never averaged less than 17;59 TOI, has averaged over 20 MPG twice, so he has been PLAYED as a top-6 forward, time wise. He has scored in double digits in points only once in his career, has never had double digits in either goals or assists, and is a career -97 +/-. He has had plenty of opportunity to play and has never made anything of it. Now you can say he's been part of not-so-good teams, but when you are a #3 pick you are supposed to be one of the guys who helps pull your team out of mediocrity. Everything suggests that the man simply doesn't have the skills.
I suspect that if he were our player, he would have been pushed into the volcano years ago, with a tremendous uproar about what a waste of a #3 draft pick. WHY has this man been given all this ice time?? Tom Wilson, when he was cast as a 4th line tough guy, did better than THAT in half the ice time.
The current pick for volcano on the Caps is Burakovsky, a #24 pick I believe. In reality, for the Caps he is probably sort of their version of Brett Connolly pre-Caps -- and Connolly was a #6 pick when he was drafted. Connolly is a career +1 +/-, and Burakovsky is a career +27 so far. This has been the first year that Burakovsky has been a negative +/-, which suggests that, at least defensively, he is probably not a huge liability. And to my eyes at least, he isn't. He is reasonably disciplined on defense without the puck, back checks pretty well (though with finesse, not strength), and his +/- performance seems to dovetail with that. The complaint with Burakovsky seems to be predominantly on the offensive end, and I will admit it is pretty frustrating to watch. People ask why he hasn't been banished to the bench or better yet, to some other team. It may be that he has been competent enough defensively that the team continues to wait for him to break out offensively, realizing that at worst, he isn't costing them an arm and a leg defensively.
OOPS -- correction. Burakovsky was a #23 pick.
Because he does things that aren’t on stat sheets. Probably no power play time to pad his stats, on teams, and a bad +/- as his role has him start in the defensive zone to clear the crease and block shots, not play woman’s rules hockey. If he played knowledgeable fans who say we are missing this skill set would love him, and the naive fans would sight stats and how he doesn’t play woman’s rules, desipote us not giving up 4 goals every 3 or so games.
And Buras AND Connelly’s stats are not good enough for 100 ft players, despite being padded. Why did loose his spot to Varna? Being as he’s a “natural center” why isn’t he iplayonf center and at a >50% win percentage? Why isn’t he on the PK and doing good enough to bring it kill percentage >85%? Because he’s NOT FUCKIN GOOD ENOUGH!!! He’s a bust that should of been traded 3yrs ago as me and many people said.
Oh and why he’s still here, GMBetaMale said he could only get draft picks, and felts he could get more for him in the off-season, (like we don’t need picks or couldn’t use those picks to get Bassard or Simmons or anything), and “keep the band together”.
For a statistician, you should know how hockey stats work and how read them
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Why are Bura's and Connolly's stats padded? They don't play on the PP by and large. PP1 is Ovie/Kuzy/Backstrom/Oshie/Carlson. PP2 is Eller/Vrana/Wilson/Niskanen/Orlov. And besides, PP/PK stats don't pad +/-. As a 3rd line player by and large, Burakovsky gets his share of defensive zone face-offs. And if Gudbranson is getting top 6 minutes, he has to be getting some share of offensive zone face-offs.
You just don't want to face the fact that, despite the type of player he is, Gudbranson has never shown himself to be a very good player, and he's been a complete waste of a #3 draft pick to this point in his career.
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Why are Bura's and Connolly's stats padded? They don't play on the PP by and large. PP1 is Ovie/Kuzy/Backstrom/Oshie/Carlson. PP2 is Eller/Vrana/Wilson/Niskanen/Orlov. And besides, PP/PK stats don't pad +/-. As a 3rd line player by and large, Burakovsky gets his share of defensive zone face-offs. And if Gudbranson is getting top 6 minutes, he has to be getting some share of offensive zone fac
You just don't want to face the fact that, despite the type of player he is, Gudbranson has never shown himself to be a very good player, and he's been a complete waste of a #3 draft pick to this point in his career.
Not at all, You just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about in the least, Let alone knot what makes a good player.
Really how the fuck long have you followed this sport? Because you talk shit to try tibsound like you’ve followed it for decades, but what you say shows you’ve followed it for 5 fuckin minutes.
Save us the pathetic attempt to deflect and not answer the easy questions that destroy you’re bullshit cause they’re completely transparent
You don’t wanna face the fact that you don’t know the hell you’re talking about and you’re to naive to realize that.
Really the bullshit you just tried to sell me is EA Sports Special Olympics Hockey shit, and hs nothing to do with the NHZk
I’ve told you before: participate, learn, discuss, but don’t for a second think you know more than anyone here, particularly after you site +/- as a credible stat.
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Not at all, You just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about in the least, Let alone knot what makes a good player.
Really how the fuck long have you followed this sport? Because you talk shit to try tibsound like you’ve followed it for decades, but what you say shows you’ve followed it for 5 fuckin minutes.
You don’t wanna face the fact that you don’t know the hell you’re talking about and you’re to naive to realize that.
Really the bullshit you just tried to sell me is EA Sports Special Olympics Hockey shit, and hs nothing to do with the NHZk
I’ve told you before: participate, learn, discuss, but don’t for a second think you know more than anyone here, particularly after you site +/- as a credible stat.
Right -- and when your arguments are shown not to hold water, you turn to personal insult.
That is the difference between us. I tend to try to treat people with respect. You try to insult and demean people.
And plus minus is a credible stat -- if you track it over a sufficient period of time. It's sort of like shooting percentage; subject to a lot of variation year to year. But if a player is a negative player over year after year after year, evidence starts to accumulate that the player is not suited for the game or role they are playing, or in some way they are overmatched by who they are playing against. Yes, +/- is really a team-on-the-ice stat for individual scores rather than a personal stat. BUT after awhile, if it builds up enough, chances are that the player with the consistent negative result is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
This is one situation where I agree with Ted Leonsis: Sooner or later, you are what your record says you are. Gudbranson sooner or later must be recognized as a player who can't score, can't set up others to score, and when he's on the ice, he -- and his teammates -- can't keep the opposition from scoring more than they do. In a sport that keeps score, that is the definition of an inferior player. And when you factor in that Gudbranson was a #3 draft choice, it isn't a pretty sight.
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Right -- and when your arguments are shown not to hold water, you turn to personal insult.
That is the difference between us. I tend to try to treat people with respect. You try to insult and demean people.
And plus minus is a credible stat -- if you track it over a sufficient period of time. It's sort of like shooting percentage; subject to a lot of variation year to year. But if a player is a negative player over year after year after year, evidence starts to accumulate that the player is not suited for the game or role they are playing, or in some way they are overmatched by who they are playing against. Yes, +/- is really a team-on-the-ice stat for individual scores rather than a personal stat. BUT after awhile, if it builds up enough, chances are that the player with the consistent negative result is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
This is one situation where I agree with Ted Leonsis: Sooner or later, you are what your record says you are. Gudbranson sooner or later must be recognized as a player who can't score, can't set up others to score, and when he's on the ice, he -- and his teammates -- can't keep the opposition from scoring more than they do. In a sport that keeps score, that is the definition of an inferior player. And when you factor in that Gudbranson was a #3 draft choice, it isn't a pretty sight.
So Jeff Schultz had one of the the greatest season in history when he was +/- 55 right?
Drew Doughtry has a -25, only -2 behind Gudbranson. Wow Dougthry must really suck then huh?
Alsu the fact that the main Vancouver for Vancouver has a .912 Save % and 1 shutout. Because a goalie letting in beach balls isn’t a factor in +/- right?
But Kuzy, is a +6, despite scoring 58 points AND being on a line with the leagues top scorer, so does that suggest he should be a Selke candidate?
See where I’m going?
The Plus/Minus stat was developed in the 50s by The Canadians. So first you have the year. A time where the key fabs for our cars are more powerful than the best computer on earth, filming games and having game film to study was rare do to the cost, and several other factors due to the year that shows how primitive the stat is. Also, it was developed in Montreal in the 50s, During that time,being post depression and post WWII, it was common for players/coaches to not only start playing at very young age, but quitting school to play, or work. So there where t many players physics or engineering degrees to say the least.
Therefore it’s understandable that writing down the players on your team when a goal is scored and keeping summing it up over time was considered a good stat.
Oh, and Montreal had some “pretty decent” teams back then, so their individual +/- would tend to be higher, which probably explains why they kept it.
Here is a great article on why +/- is the worst stat in hockey (https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/11/01/behind-the-numbers-why-plusminus-is-the-worst-statistic-in-hockey-and-should-be-abolished/) Note the part where it says what I referenced at first:"skewing for particular player types"
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Ah, moving the goalposts again, are we??
Note when I described and used +/- it was over a period of several years, which is what is needed to stabilize a variable stat like +/-. And of course you used Doughty's +/- this year, which is his first bad one after a stellar career where he has basically been plus after his rookie season. Maybe he has lost a step and is starting to slip; I don't know -- it will take longer to make a judgment on that. And yes, I'm sure that part of his issue is Jonathan Quick's deterioration this year, though their backup is 3rd in the league. But it MAY WELL BE just a 1-year aberration.
Similarly, you bring up good ol' Jeff Schultz and his one aberrant +/- year. Actually, he was a pretty good positional defender back then, and a good complement to Mike Green at the time, but positioning was all he had, and by a few years later the league had passed him by because of the increasing league emphasis on letting speed win out. It got to the point where Schultz couldn't compete.
As for Kuzy, HIS +/- this year might actually be fairly indicative of what he has been; a top-line center with a lot of talent, and talent around him, who has also been pretty inconsistent in his play AND has garnered a lot of his stats on the PP, which doesn't count in +/-, so he ends up basically an even player (I consider +6 over 60 games basically even, especially for a guy who plays as many minutes as he does.)
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Ah, moving the goalposts again, are we??
Note when I described and used +/- it was over a period of several years, which is what is needed to stabilize a variable stat like +/-. And of course you used Doughty's +/- this year, which is his first bad one after a stellar career where he has basically been plus after his rookie season. Maybe he has lost a step and is starting to slip; I don't know -- it will take longer to make a judgment on that. And yes, I'm sure that part of his issue is Jonathan Quick's deterioration this year, though their backup is 3rd in the league. But it MAY WELL BE just a 1-year aberration.
Similarly, you bring up good ol' Jeff Schultz and his one aberrant +/- year. Actually, he was a pretty good positional defender back then, and a good complement to Mike Green at the time, but positioning was all he had, and by a few years later the league had passed him by because of the increasing league emphasis on letting speed win out. It got to the point where Schultz couldn't compete.
As for Kuzy, HIS +/- this year might actually be fairly indicative of what he has been; a top-line center with a lot of talent, and talent around him, who has also been pretty inconsistent in his play AND has garnered a lot of his stats on the PP, which doesn't count in +/-, so he ends up basically an even player (I consider +6 over 60 games basically even, especially for a guy who plays as many minutes as he does.)
The goal post was never moved, you just don’t know where it was or what it is.
And you clearly, don’t understand the stat regardless of it just being spoon fed to you, which proves you don’t know the sport as you claim to and act like, yet your to naive and stuck up to realize that.
I was even cordial, showed examples, gave you the history, a provided a link to that supports everything I said. Yet you reply with a weak attack, and repeating you’re inaccurate opinion driven faux subjective analysis. Which “clearly implies”, you have no objective data, you’re point is based on bad diagnosis and can’t see or won’t admit. Or, you’re just trying to piss me which is fuckin amusing . . .
But hey, we know you your just trying to use the worst stat in sports to support the trendy myth that if you fight you can’t play, and defenders that aren’t puck movers have no place in the game. So you ignore/ don’t see all other factors to contrary and to use an obsolete to support the cult-like trend you signed up for
So, start a thread where back your diagnosis up on how the +/- stat is worthwhile and useful, and watch everyone who actually know what they’re talking about, rip youre theory to shreds.
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Not at all, You just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about in the least, Let alone knot what makes a good player.
Really how the fuck long have you followed this sport? Because you talk shit to try tibsound like you’ve followed it for decades, but what you say shows you’ve followed it for 5 fuckin minutes.
Save us the pathetic attempt to deflect and not answer the easy questions that destroy you’re bullshit cause they’re completely transparent
You don’t wanna face the fact that you don’t know the hell you’re talking about and you’re to naive to realize that.
Really the bullshit you just tried to sell me is EA Sports Special Olympics Hockey shit, and hs nothing to do with the NHL.
I’ve told you before: participate, learn, discuss, but don’t for a second think you know more than anyone here, particularly after you site +/- as a credible stat.
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I've been on this board and the prior for years and generally enjoy reading your posts. I don't always agree but do feel like you bring a certain perspective and knowledge base to the discussions.
But when you tee off on people who, BlackIce in particular, in my opinion have been respectful in their posts, it's disappointing to say the least. There have been other posters who were simply jackasses in their posts and deserved being taken to the woodshed.
I agree that the +/- is, in isolation, a dubious metric. What I don't agree with is your disagreeing with a respectful poster so disagreeably. I am not a moderator nor do I purport to be the conscience of this board. What I do know is that I stopped following HF boards because the posters their couldn't post their opinion without someone ripping their heads off.
This board is constructed of Washington Capitals fans. We have more in common than disagreement. We all want to watch another downtown parade this June. We may disagree on what we need to do to get there, but this family should be able to do so respectfully so long as you are treated respectfully.
If someone is an asshat in their posts, I'll either be right behind you or even in front of you calling them out. I have never seen this with BlackIce and think your responses have been over the top.
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He just hangry, needs his snickers bar! :snicker:
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DC -
I've been on this board and the prior for years and generally enjoy reading your posts. I don't always agree but do feel like you bring a certain perspective and knowledge base to the discussions.
But when you tee off on people who, BlackIce in particular, in my opinion have been respectful in their posts, it's disappointing to say the least. There have been other posters who were simply jackasses in their posts and deserved being taken to the woodshed.
I agree that the +/- is, in isolation, a dubious metric. What I don't agree with is your disagreeing with a respectful poster so disagreeably. I am not a moderator nor do I purport to be the conscience of this board. What I do know is that I stopped following HF boards because the posters their couldn't post their opinion without someone ripping their heads off.
This board is constructed of Washington Capitals fans. We have more in common than disagreement. We all want to watch another downtown parade this June. We may disagree on what we need to do to get there, but this family should be able to do so respectfully so long as you are treated respectfully.
If someone is an asshat in their posts, I'll either be right behind you or even in front of you calling them out. I have never seen this with BlackIce and think your responses have been over the top.
Understood, and I apologize to you, as you are a very valued member here.
We started this site and maintain this site with hockey/Caps knowledge and fandom first and foremost, and being extremely loose on censorship etc,, kinda like the 400 section used to be 10-15 years ago. You can say damn near anything you want, but you gotta know what you’re talk about, be able to back it up, and willing to learn if you don’t, can’t, or aren’t. . . well 😇
Besides, I’ve gotten a lot nicer over the years 😁
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He just hangry, needs his snickers bar! :snicker:
Eww, processed carbs, sugar, and junk. . What J need my Jack Daniels and/or Hopslam 😁
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Eww, processed carbs, sugar, and junk. . What J need my Jack Daniels and/or Hopslam 😁
I know, but it was before noon.. :P
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I know, but it was before noon.. :P
. . . yeah, and? 😎
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I know, but it was before noon.. :P
before noon means Jack and OJ. Breakfast of champions, and the only thing in my camelback when I go skiing, though you gotta be carful with that at altitude, I unclipped my skis one time on top of Vail and tried to walk, had clearly over done things
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. . . yeah, and? 😎
And... You can't publicly talk about drinking before noon!!! :rofl:
before noon means Jack and OJ. Breakfast of champions.
Hush it!!! :raised-eyebrow: Now let me go make another.. "Coffee" :lol:
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And... You can't publicly talk about drinking before noon!!! :rofl:
Hush it!!! :raised-eyebrow: Now let me go make another.. "Coffee" :lol:
My weekend coffee is a 2:1 ratio of coffee and Carolann's, an inexpensive Irish cream, it's half the price of Bailys, which is important when your doing quantity over quality,
:wackysmile:
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And... You can't publicly talk about drinking before noon!!! :rofl:
Hush it!!! :raised-eyebrow: Now let me go make another.. "Coffee" :lol:
Two words: Work From Home!! 😁