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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: dpf1971 on Wednesday February 28, 2018, 01:50:22 AM Eastern
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Backstrom - Keep or Trade if you can get something big back (or need the cap space for the right UFA)
Beagle - Keep
Burakovsky - (if he can regain his form CONSISTENTLY) Keep - if not, Trade
Chiasson - Trade
Connolly - Trade (or keep b/c of Cap Space)
Eller - Keep (unless we can upgrade like Brassard)
Kuznetzov - Keep
Oshie - Keep
Ovechkin - Trade
Smith-Pelly - Trade
Stepehenson - Trade
Vrana - (if he can regain his form CONSISTENTLY) Keep - if not, Trade
Wilson - KEEP
Bowey - AHL or Trade
Carlson - Keep
Djoos - AHL or Trade
Jerabek - Don't Know Yet
Kempny - Don't Know Yet
Niskanen - Keep
Orlov - Trade
Orpik - Keep for last year of his contract and not resign
Grubauer - Keep or Trade for HUGE piece
Holtby - Keep
So that would leave us with:
? Backstrom/??? Oshie
? Kuznetsov Wilson
Connolly/Upgrade Eller/Upgrade ?
? Beagle ?
Stephenson
? Carlson
? Niskanen
Orpik(2018) ? (maybe Kempny or Jerabek)
UFA's available in the next two years or guys I would like to trade for:
2018 UFA - Rick Nash LW, Paul Stastny C, John Tavares C, Evander Kane LW, James Neal LW, Jack Johnson D left-handed, James Van Riemsdyk LW, Dan Hamhius D left-handed, David Perron LW, Mark Stone RW, Calvin de Haan D left-handed, Ryan Reaves RW.
2019 UFA - Drew Doughty D right-handed, Erik Karlsson D right-handed, Artemi Panarin LW right-handed, Logan Couture C, Matt Duchene C, Jordan Eberle RW, Joe Pavelski C, Tyler Seguin C, Jeff Skinner LW, Blake Wheeler RW, Oliver Ekman-Larsson D left-handed, Tyler Myers D right-handed, Gustav Nyquist RW, Ryan McDonagh D left-handed, Max Pacioretty LW, Anton Stralman D left-handed, Niklas Hjalmarsson D left-handed, Adam Henrique C, Wayne Simmonds RW, Anders Lee C, Adam McQuaid D right-handed,
And while the money wouldn't probably be available; this could happen (at least on paper):
Pacioretty Seguin Oshie
Panarin Kuznetsov Wilson
Connolly Brassard Simmonds
(Matt) Martin Beagle Reaves
McDonagh Carlson
Hamhuis Niskanen
Stralman McQuaid
(here's to hoping for a much higher salary cap)
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Lol thats some pretty wishful thinking.
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Before any moves are made Dickless and BetaMale need to go. All they would do is get bent over a barrel, and sign/draft more Eurotrash toedraggers and puck-movers.
When and if that is done, unless it’s a Hershel Walker or Gretzky-esque deal, we should keep Nick and Ovie until they don’t resign. While we could get something for them, that window it would be a detramental to the franchises credibility to the point of it needing to be moved.
Think about it, an opertunity for a 700+ goal scorer to play his whole career with The Caps, and we were so incompetent we needed to trade him after 600. . .
But after that, keep/resign Willie, Beagle, Holtby and have a damn fire sale if not a U235 martini (shaken not stored). Adapt the trade to early before two late (ie Nick and Ovie), load up on pickes/prospects/young players and repeat the cycle each year.
Bottom line is Willie, Beagle, and Holts are about the only players that will help win a Cup.
Now the Chaissons and Pellys could or may be, but they are constricted by the system and trying to keep a spot to the Eurotrash style players. That being said, NO HIGH DOLLAR SUPERSTAR UFAs (that aren’t rentals), load up forwards with verstile 200 ft role players that will give 100% and scrape up 15-20pts that you can pay a 3rd of what you pay a 40+ euro-skill player.
And D, scrap the “4th forward Offensive Dman” crap. That trend is done, and their salaries are too high. Target the hybrid or pure stay at home style and leave that crap behind.
This is not basically what successful teams with out star power do or are going to, like VGK, Winnipeg, LA, and to some extent TBL. It’s also catching on if you look at FLA, and Ottawa, DET and NYR are probably starting it.
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Keep: Ovie, Wilson, Holtby
Trade: The rest.
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I agree with DC here, the first move has got to be front office and head coach or everything else will be pointless
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Agree with DC :thumbsup:
Trading Ovi who is a legend and who scored 600 goals,whould be the worst decision ever.
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I agree with DC too. We need to keep some skill players obviously but this team is way too soft. I'd keep Ovi and Backstrom until they are dead. I'd keep Holtby and Wilson too. I'm really liking Wilson's game. Some people think we shouldn't have taken him in the cfirst round. I'm glad we did. Guys like that are getting harder to find.
Anyone else is expendable. I do like Stephenson. He could be a keeper if he continues to develope. DSP and Chiasson are hard workers. It would be nice if they had a bit more touch.
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I get the idea of removing the front office - but like coaches; who do we replace them with? Ovie's already been labeled a coach-killer; what management team better than what we already have be tempted to come here? I know player and systems - not GM's I'm afraid.
And why do you trade Ovie? First off, how pissed off do you think Ovie is right now? Russia finally won gold in men's hockey and he wasn't there. And while Russians love winning the Cup, to them the biggest award is the gold medal and he will probably never get one .... though his buddies Datsyuk and Kovalchuck did. We better keep a close eye on him b/c of the possibility of him just heading home.
Secondly, his contract. It is a team killer. Is his 50-or-so goals worth it via the market, yes. But if you can get more in the way of quality players, then I would go that route. How many playoffs do we have to watch where the other team double-teams, or whatever, Ovie and our goal productions goes down the pisser. I'm not in hockey, but even I can think that one up. I'd just rather have two 60-70 pointers that will show up ever shift and play D than just Ovie.
Third - I kind of just touched on it. His attitude. In no way should he be the captain. How often do we see him not show up. How often does the term glide-by be used in reference to his idea of team-D. And while all of this bullshit is going on, you are barking at the likes of Wilson and Eller to keep them skating at 110%. Sooner or later that starts to kill the locker room - which a couple of ex-Caps have already hinted at.
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In the past Ovi may have been a coach killer but Trotz has him playing good hockey. He is a lot more defensively responsible than he was in the past. Thats why I hope we keep Trotz and give him some players to work with.
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Trade dpf...
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In the past Ovi may have been a coach killer but Trotz has him playing good hockey. He is a lot more defensively responsible than he was in the past. Thats why I hope we keep Trotz and give him some players to work with.
Definitely,the point is that Ovi right now more completed player as before,just look at his assist stats at the age 32 and compare it to Sidney :rofl:
The main root cause is in General Management ,thus as soon as they fix it more better players will be and overall results.
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I get the idea of removing the front office - but like coaches; who do we replace them with? Ovie's already been labeled a coach-killer; what management team better than what we already have be tempted to come here? I know player and systems - not GM's I'm afraid.
And why do you trade Ovie? First off, how pissed off do you think Ovie is right now? Russia finally won gold in men's hockey and he wasn't there. And while Russians love winning the Cup, to them the biggest award is the gold medal and he will probably never get one .... though his buddies Datsyuk and Kovalchuck did. We better keep a close eye on him b/c of the possibility of him just heading home.
Secondly, his contract. It is a team killer. Is his 50-or-so goals worth it via the market, yes. But if you can get more in the way of quality players, then I would go that route. How many playoffs do we have to watch where the other team double-teams, or whatever, Ovie and our goal productions goes down the pisser. I'm not in hockey, but even I can think that one up. I'd just rather have two 60-70 pointers that will show up ever shift and play D than just Ovie.
Third - I kind of just touched on it. His attitude. In no way should he be the captain. How often do we see him not show up. How often does the term glide-by be used in reference to his idea of team-D. And while all of this bullshit is going on, you are barking at the likes of Wilson and Eller to keep them skating at 110%. Sooner or later that starts to kill the locker room - which a couple of ex-Caps have already hinted at.
Well, let me check on Monster for GMs . . . heh i jest.
I really don't care about the name, but if it where my choice it'd be first, someone from outside the organization . . .other than that, ta new Pres and his GM would need to have an immense and detailed knowledge of the team, division and conference, with an grand strategy of how to beat everyone in it . . . and mostly, which goes with both of them do what ever it takes.
As far as Ovie,when you said it 5 years ago it was quite brilliant. We could of gotten a mint for him. But the realty is, he's over 30, and his faults, and contract that you accurately brought up are known through out the league more than we know it. If he does that for a typically high seed playoff team that has built the organization around him, . . .what we he do if he was traded somewhere else, like say Phoenix? Or how could another contending team fir his contract under there Cap with out sending in back to us. . .
About the only realistic destination to increase his effort, give us a worth while return and rejuvenate him is Vegas. . .but that that is still unlikely.
So that trading him now, and getting fair return and cap space from it (ire not being like Jagr when we said "please anyone take him", the choice is pretty clear. He's said all the "right things" a Captain and star will say, like hell with the individual stats, the Cup is most imprortant, yada yada yadda, . . call him out on it.
And support this by scrapping a system that is solely based on giving him a one timer from the slot. Demand and force him to be a complete player, play him both sides, make him kill penalties, have him screen the net on the Power Plays, . . .and most importantly, make him hit again!!
A significant part of his issues HAS to be the result, even if subconscious of this organization making everything about him. If the fascination of one way forwards, puck moving Dman, and video game systems this organization is not significantly for Ovie, and his 700 (along with the income), then Patrick and his staff have no business running a Home Depot let alone a NHL team.
So, take that away. Hell get his goal regardless, but either he becomes a complete player. . .or we use him a decoy til he goes to the KHL.
Its a pretty shitty situation in terms of getting a Cup winning team. . . . but the 700+ marketing campaign is doing great >:(
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Definitely,the point is that Ovi right now more completed player as before,just look at his assist stats at the age 32 and compare it to Sidney :rofl:
The main root cause is in General Management ,thus as soon as they fix it more better players will be and overall results.
You are only allowed to mention Crosby if you are shitting on him. I think the majority if Caps fans hate Crosby.
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What you'd like to do is fine, but it is what it is -- pie in the sky. What you CAN do is quite different. The Caps have certain contracts that no one else will take on. You cannot move these players. As for who you bring in as replacements: Are they available? At what cost? Do they want to come here? Sure, everyone may have a price, but that is what gets you in Salary Cap purgatory. Do the pieces really fit into a coherent whole? That's always a tough call.
I suspect that the Caps are going to make a continued push to resign Carlson, if for no other reason, who would pick up his 24 minutes a game? That is going to cost something elsewhere on the roster. I think the pieces like Chaisson and Smith-Pelly are fungible -- they'll be back if they're willing to sign cheap; otherwise, the Caps will replace them with someone else off the discard pile, and there are always such players lying around. I think Beagle may be gone, with Stephenson taking his place as 4C, just to save a million bucks on the Salary Cap. That one more year on Orpik's contract is a big problem right now. If he were coming off the books this summer instead of next, the organization would be in much better shape. Maybe he should be bought out, but I think the organization has a fundamental aversion to doing that. A big question mark is Grubauer. He could be a valuable trade piece, but he is valuable as a co #1 goalie, and he is still an RFA. I'd almost be tempted to trade Holtby, stick with Grubauer as #1 for the time being and sign a cheap veteran backup goalie (which there are always a few floating around), and bridge to Samsanov that way. I think the Caps are going to stick with Vrana and Burakovsky for the time being, thinking they might be like Marcus Johansson -- there's more there with both, and they fit well in the contemporary game.
As for last night's Ottawa game: Yes, it wasn't too pretty. But keep in mind that it was a back-to-back for the Caps, while Ottawa hadn't played in 3 days. The Caps had to fight through 7 Ottawa power plays, including two 5 on 3's. Then the tough win doesn't look quite so bad.
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You are only allowed to mention Crosby if you are shitting on him. I think the majority if Caps fans hate Crosby.
You mean Cyndy....... right? ;D
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You mean Cyndy....... right? ;D
Couldn’t figure out how correctly to spell her name ;D
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I'm definitely coming round to DC's perspective on the whole "front office" thing, but there are some things I don't understand, so I would appreciate some clarification, if poss.
For instance, "front office" means management, right?
1) This would exclude the Head Coach and any other coaches, as they are paid employees and whilst they may have some input and can give advice, any actual decisions regarding personell are not made by them?
2) The owner. Imho, I think Ted Leonsis has been a great owner. His job is to open his cheque book and he has most certainly done that - unlike many others.
3) The Vice, Patrick. I don't even know what he does, or how far his responsibilities extend, or how much power he actually has over the team.
4) The GM. Now this is a tricky one for me. I liked GMGM and I like GMBM. They've both made mistakes, for sure, but I wonder how much their hands were/are tied from above? And by whom? GMGM seems to be doing a pretty good job over in Vegas and I remember BB complaining that he wasn't allowed allowed free reign with his players, while he was here.
GMBM is supposed to be the GM of this team, but I have to wonder exactly how much control, or power he actually has and if his strings are being pulled by somebody else also.
5) Scouting staff. Not been great recently.
6) Marketting. A+
Have I missed anybody out?
We have had a team that should have made it to the SC finals for the last couple of years. Last season was the best chance we had and the Shithispants deal didn't exactly help, but it was the product, the guys on the ice that lost that one.
Again.
It wasn't through lack of skill, it was same ol', same ole' with the guys on ice.
So here it is.
I'm torn.
Is it the core, the players that are to blame, or the management and what can they do? They can put the best players on the ice, but they can't do it for them.
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Couldn’t figure out how correctly to spell her name ;D
Any which way you like luv'. Pretty sure we'll all know who you mean. ;)
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I think we can’t fully know how overall decisions were made and who is fully responsible for that,on the other hand I have some thoughts regarding following:
1) The decision to let some useful players go, for instance Chimera,Green,Johansson was only matter if some hungry,hot prospects players were purchased.As we can see this season, the team performance became worse compare to last couple seasons.
2) In Addition, underperformance of Backstrom,Oshie,Holtby caused a team many points and it seems like right now they far from fix it.
3) Third,I didn’t get why caps didn’t improve their squad during this trading window,in fact for a couple of seasons they only purchase liabilities and it tells me,that management team doesn’t understand what they are doing and how the team like Caps suppose to work on market.
4) Lastly, i do know khl market at least Caps can try to get Kovalchuk this summer who gonna be free agent.Moreover, there’s a 20 year old guy Kiril Kaprizov who is gonna be next Kovalchuk or half of Ovi,I know he is already drafted by Minnesota ,however there’s always a chance to obtain better players.
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I think we can’t fully know how overall decisions were made and who is fully responsible for that,on the other hand I have some thoughts regarding following:
1) The decision to let some useful players go, for instance Chimera,Green,Johansson was only matter if some hungry,hot prospects players were purchased.As we can see this season, the team performance became worse compare to last couple seasons.
2) In Addition, underperformance of Backstrom,Oshie,Holtby caused a team many points and it seems like right now they far from fix it.
3) Third,I didn’t get why caps didn’t improve their squad during this trading window,in fact for a couple of seasons they only purchase liabilities and it tells me,that management team doesn’t understand what they are doing and how the team like Caps suppose to work on market.
4) Lastly, i do know khl market at least Caps can try to get Kovalchuk this summer who gonna be free agent.Moreover, there’s a 20 year old guy Kiril Kaprizov who is gonna be next Kovalchuk or half of Ovi,I know he is already drafted by Minnesota ,however there’s always a chance to obtain better players.
"Chucky" 'ain't going back over there. (NHL) Just can't see it. He has enough money. There's no incentive for him. He's just got a gold medal and is happy as a .......fill in the blanks.
How's Samsonov doing? Our prospect goalie? :wackysmile:
I have limited access to stuff these days. :-\
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Last summer Kovalchuk was going to return NHL,but his salary demands were high that’s why he still stays in khl,however as i know this upcoming summer he definitely wants to return NHL.
Samsonov is doing pretty well,he was voted as top young prospects in khl and won bronze medal during World Junior Championship in 2017 and would definitely create some competition in net ones he come :thumbsup:
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Last summer Kovalchuk was going to return NHL,but his salary demands were high that’s why he still stays in khl,however as i know this upcoming summer he definitely wants to return NHL.
Samsonov is doing pretty well,he was voted as top young prospects in khl and won bronze medal during World Junior Championship in 2017 and would definitely create some competition in net ones he come :thumbsup:
We wont be able to afford him (K)-any which ways. :(
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We wont be able to afford him (K)-any which ways. :(
Let’s see he wants new challenges,that’s why the possible move to Caps would fit well for him ;D
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Let’s see he wants new challenges,that’s why the possible move to Caps would fit well for him ;D
:rofl:
Love your optimism....... :wackysmile:
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Give it another season or two............ :raspberry:
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Just trying to stay optimistic whenever I watch Caps this season
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I think we can’t fully know how overall decisions were made and who is fully responsible for that,on the other hand I have some thoughts regarding following:
1) The decision to let some useful players go, for instance Chimera,Green,Johansson was only matter if some hungry,hot prospects players were purchased.As we can see this season, the team performance became worse compare to last couple seasons.
2) In Addition, underperformance of Backstrom,Oshie,Holtby caused a team many points and it seems like right now they far from fix it.
3) Third,I didn’t get why caps didn’t improve their squad during this trading window,in fact for a couple of seasons they only purchase liabilities and it tells me,that management team doesn’t understand what they are doing and how the team like Caps suppose to work on market.
4) Lastly, i do know khl market at least Caps can try to get Kovalchuk this summer who gonna be free agent.Moreover, there’s a 20 year old guy Kiril Kaprizov who is gonna be next Kovalchuk or half of Ovi,I know he is already drafted by Minnesota ,however there’s always a chance to obtain better players.
While yes. we can’t fully know, but there’s enough data to hypothesize.
But for your first point, it’s not as much as the players perse, it’s the style that was used to replace them. Cherie, Fehr, and Ward where big, physical 200 ft players that shut down lines, battle on the boards, and still commanded offensive respect. However we’ve replaced them with softer offensive based players that have next to none of 2way physical strengths the previous did. That was a direct descison on the ownership and management side.
Second, there’s little, if any, that can be done. A new coach isn’t suddenly going to rejuvenate their attitude this year. At worst it would lead a faux playoff run and playoff failure
Third, this an example of Dickless & BetaMale ineptitude. They have been beaten in each trade deal, and signings. Even if they where to admit their failure and move Kuzy, Oshie, Bura, Carlson etc., even a good GM would have a hard time getting the better end of the deal with those contracts. But, I doubt trading these assets was even considered. So it’s actually better that we made no trades until we get a GM that has the will and schrewdness to come out ahead.
And fourth, Kovolchuck would be something they would try to do and anything over the league monument would be utterly idiotic, so he could very well be here next year
The core is the organizational philosophy, they’re still playing NHL 16 on Xbox, while everyone else is planing for 2019 in the real world
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refresh my memory, isn't the reason teams put a player on waivers is to get rid of the cap hit?
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refresh my memory, isn't the reason teams put a player on waivers is to get rid of the cap hit?
If they are claimed they go off the salary cap. If unclaimed they go to the AHL and I believe the full salary counts toward the salary cap
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Sickening thought of the day.. (Maybe a new thread topic? lol)
Ok, sickening thought of the day: 3/1/2018 The Caps negotiate with Carlson but can't come to terms, so he walks and their backup plan is, non other than Gang Green!!! :wackysmile: "Winning" :poop: "Why are you guys down on Mike Green, he's the best Dman we have" :O=
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Sickening thought of the day.. (Maybe a new thread topic? lol)
Ok, sickening thought of the day: 3/1/2018 The Caps negotiate with Carlson but can't come to terms, so he walks and their backup plan is, non other than Gang Green!!! :wackysmile: "Winning" :poop:
Well if he played like he did Detroit and got him for about the same or not less it’s be deal. . .
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Well if he played like he did Detroit and got him for about the same or not less it’s be deal. . .
Hell yea! 5 x 8 should do it! Have him till he's 40! Sell the hell out of some Green 52 Jerseys! :angel:
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Well, if you want to talk about replacements for Carlson, in this year's UFA class there are only two -- and by replacements, I mean legitimate, experienced RH shooting defensemen. There is a reason why RH defensemen are a red-hot commodity, and it will probably drive Carlson's price beyond what the Caps can afford.
One of the two is the aforementioned Mike Green. The other? Luke Schenn, a totally different player from Carlson. NO offense, lots of hits, pretty good blocks, 28 years old, same as Carlson. Likely won't get as much money as Carlson because of the lack of offense.
If Schenn could be gotten on the market for, say, a million dollars less than Carlson, do you make him a UFA focus and forget about Carlson?
Just as a further note, Pittsburgh, Philly, and NJD all lost in regulation tonight. Another good night for the Caps, and the regular season is now 80% over. It's going to be difficult for the Caps to miss the playoffs unless they collapse completely.
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Well, if you want to talk about replacements for Carlson, in this year's UFA class there are only two -- and by replacements, I mean legitimate, experienced RH shooting defensemen. There is a reason why RH defensemen are a red-hot commodity, and it will probably drive Carlson's price beyond what the Caps can afford.
One of the two is the aforementioned Mike Green. The other? Luke Schenn, a totally different player from Carlson. NO offense, lots of hits, pretty good blocks, 28 years old, same as Carlson. Likely won't get as much money as Carlson because of the lack of offense.
If Schenn could be gotten on the market for, say, a million dollars less than Carlson, do you make him a UFA focus and forget about Carlson?
Just as a further note, Pittsburgh, Philly, and NJD all lost in regulation tonight. Another good night for the Caps, and the regular season is now 80% over. It's going to be difficult for the Caps to miss the playoffs unless they collapse completely.
Great call on Schenn, but I doubt there’s any chance they’d get him let alone to replace Carlson. It’s clear that they don’t want “Defenseman”, they want 4th Foward/Extra Attacker’s woth out pulling the goalie,
This one of the reasons I said Green was a better Defenseman than Carlson. The Wings 5-5 system on the offensive zon has both D in the correct position above the slots, making short passes to forwards, and shooting when there’s a screen or a designed play, The pinching crap that our system and/or Carlson does wouldn’t be tolerated. However Green has been executing this quite well w/o all the pinching crap showing he has improved to Dman with a shot of a forward.