The expansion draft is unfair to good teams who have built their teams up over the last several seasons....especially those with young talent. You just can't protect enough guys.
I know the NHL was trying to make the expansion teams competitive, but they went overboard.
1/2 of the current teams in the NHL could do better with a draft like that than they could with their current roster.
The fact that Vegas, as a 1st year expansion team was able to build a team strong enough to make it to the SC finals tells a lot. I don't mind them trying to make it competitive, but they should not get THAT much of a jump on the rest of the league. You want an expansion team....you got to suck it up a few years.
interesting move...Wonder if they're expecting (or if he's expecting) to start get playing time? Ya think he'd be looking to move on if he was just gonna ride pine?
Wonder if they're expecting (or if he's expecting) to start get playing time? Ya think he'd be looking to move on if he was just gonna ride pine?
Of course, the problem is that, having given Vegas a chance to form a team under a given set of rules, the NHL could hardly make the rules less accommodating for the upcoming draft, especially with it occurring only a few years after the previous one. Like it or not, these two expansions are too closely linked to try to rejigger the rules. But even so, we'll see if Seattle is able to make as much hay from their draft as McPhee/Vegas was able to make from theirs. It could be that the other teams will be able to learn something from the Vegas draft experience and will figure out ways to protect themselves better.
To be honest, I share your concern more about the initial strength of the expansion team than the differential harm to better-run, higher-quality teams who can't protect everyone. Even the best-run and potentially "most harmed" franchises still lose only one player.
The league has said the rules for this expansion draft will be exactly the same as the Vegas draft.
I still don't think I protect Carlson, and hope Seatle takes that contract off our hands
Shame on you. He is the golden boy of offensive defensemen. Our own true Norris candidate.
WTF ever his name was from Canada who used to post here and explode every time anyone would infer anything negative about Johnny Q Carlson is rolling over in his virtual message board grave about now.
(2) What happens, if the Caps' season is over, to players such as Vrana and Siegenthaler, who are likely to be unsigned RFA's at the time of the draft. Are they exempt from selection, or must they be protected in order to assure they are not selected?
I'd be shocked if they left ANY of the big contract guys exposed. They may need to move one, but just letting them go for free to expansion probably isn't the way they'll go about it. Probably trade and try and get pics or players back.
So any thoughts about Vrana being scratched for last two games? I wouldn't think that he would be up for trade, however, it is clear that management has not been thrilled with something about him as two different coaches have now benched him.
I think he's just in the dog house at the moment. If he comes back and coach doesn't see what he needs, I suppose they could try and trade or leave him open for the expansion. I don't think benching a player does much for their trade value though. If they really were considering it, they'd just keep playing him and try and make a move as soon as possible, imo.
Sheary brings much of the same "stuff" Vrana does. And as a UFA they could probably sign him for half what they're paying Vrana. But if they want Sheary back, somebody (possibly Vrana) gotta go! Same with Ovie.. Apparently he aint gonna settle for the same thing he's making now. Somebody (else) gotta go..
Caps are in that salary cap pickle jar and aint getting out anytime soon.
Lavi has got to let Seigs and Van Riemsdyk get some ice time. I think Seigs can fill in well enough that the Caps won't miss Carlsons contract.
The Oshie and Backstrom contracts will start to really hurt next year. I think what we may not appreciate much is how hard it is going to be to move players with bigger contracts. The revenue loss of the pandemic will make it much harder to make trades and Caps management has never traded "their guys" - the core of the team.
In order to not get stuck in a five year decline and rebuild, here are four aggressive moves:
1) Play hardball with Ovi. How many teams are going to be able to pay Ovi $10 million plus on a multi-year deal? The teams that could afford him won't be contenders and is Ovi really going to leave for a couple million more to go to Buffalo, Detroit,...? I'm not saying to low-ball him, but if he wants a three year deal or more, we aren't in a position to write a blank check if we want be a playoff team, much less contend for the Cup.
2) Trade Carlson. I actually think we have some good depth with Ziggy and Fever. Some team might be stupid enough to give us a couple of high draft picks. Remember, he is a Norris candidate!
3) Leave Oshie and Backstrom exposed in the expansion draft. I love them both, but their contracts hurt and one or both will be in significant decline over the next several years. Plus it helps us retain other younger/cheaper guys.
4) Trade Kuzy - I think there are plenty of teams that think Kuzy could be a superstar and we could get back a great return. I used to think Kuzy was a never-trade guy, but he just keeps cruising through game after game and I suspect the other players in the lockerroom are tired of his act.
It gives the team less than $2M in cap space. If they are going to bring someone else in they are going to need more room
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Anyone think sitting Sprong is pre-dealish?
Ha, yeah just wondering after the CArr callup why is he the one sitting?
if the Caps deal off Sprong they are stupid
actually, let me rephrase that. If the Caps deal off Sprong the are fucking stupid
Ha, yeah just wondering after the CArr callup why is he the one sitting?
The more I think about this, the more I actually like it. My first thought was that the price was too high. But then I started thinking:
1) Vrana is persona non grata with Lavy.
2) Panik is already on the taxi squad and we dumped his contract.
3) Apparently the 2021 draft class is weaker than we’ve recently had so losing that 1st may hurt less.
4) since Mantha is signed for 3 more years, this isn’t a rental.
So, it’s one guy Lavy isn’t playing plus one guy on the taxi squad plus a weaker than normal first plus the 2022 2nd for another Tom Wilson signed for the balance of our Cup window with Ovy/Backy.
In that light, I’m liking this trade more and more.
Didn't see that coming.. I'll miss Jake The Snake, but he never really turned into what everyone was hoping. Sounds like Mantha is a big boy who can play! Guess we'll see.. Raffl doesn't sound bad either!
Jake can thank Sheary for taking his spot! If he had Sheary's tenacity on the puck this wouldn't of happened.
The Raffl trade I don't know what the point was.
The Mantha trade initially carried some shock value...primarily because I knew not much about Mantha and saw that we lost one of our young talented guys. And too often have we seen young talented guys not work out here but flourish elsewhere.
But the more I think about it, the more I love it.
Mantha is a big rig who can score.
Vrana was just becoming a total salty sourpuss. Cultural cancer. Him giving zero shits after scoring a GWG is concerning. You need players who are pulling on the rope and who want what's best for the team.
Vrana was also pretty weak on the puck and didn't bring enough of his A-game. We need compete. I'm glad Lavi is making players accountable.
Now get Kuzy to play like the 2018 playoff version of himself.
Edit: My lack of mention about Panik being traded away should tell you all what I think about Panik.
I have no idea how the font got screwed up in my previous post.
backspace key does it to me every time.
And I agree with you on the Caps ALL IN this year idea....is not realistic. I mean they essentially have to be with the age of the core group, and this trade was definitely a move hopefully to improve but....I'm not feeling a serious SC run.
Please prove me wrong. Go Caps
So....
Since Mantha is coming from Detroit to Washingtion...Technically he has to cross over the Canadian border to do so. :wackysmile:
Does this mean he has to meet the NHL mandate of 7 days in quarantine since he's crossing the Canadian border? :raspberry:
((unless he drives to Toledo first, and no way in hell he wants to drive to Toledo)
the Caps really need to dump Carlson’s contractWhy would you dump Carlson? He is too valuable offensively and on the PP. We have no one close to him offensively.
The Raffl trade I don't know what the point was.I don't think Panik is a terrible player but he is pretty average at everything.
The Mantha trade initially carried some shock value...primarily because I knew not much about Mantha and saw that we lost one of our young talented guys. And too often have we seen young talented guys not work out here but flourish elsewhere.
But the more I think about it, the more I love it.
Mantha is a big rig who can score.
Vrana was just becoming a total salty sourpuss. Cultural cancer. Him giving zero shits after scoring a GWG is concerning. You need players who are pulling on the rope and who want what's best for the team.
Vrana was also pretty weak on the puck and didn't bring enough of his A-game. We need compete. I'm glad Lavi is making players accountable.
Now get Kuzy to play like the 2018 playoff version of himself.
Edit: My lack of mention about Panik being traded away should tell you all what I think about Panik.
I like the guy they got but I think they overpaid substantially. If they hadn't scratched Vrana and put Panik on waivers, they would have had more trade value. I just hate giving up a first and a second. We spend draft picks like we have a lot of them. Based on the comments on NHL radio, Mantha is good but hasn't ever lived up to expectations and we way overpaid.I pretty much agree. I like Manta and I have no problem seeing Panik and Vrana gone. The 2 drafts picks thrown in is quite bit.
How the hell did they find the cap space? :huh: Whatever.. Fuck em'!! :uh-huh:
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Since Mantha is coming from Detroit to Washingtion...Technically he has to cross over the Canadian border to do so. :wackysmile:
Does this mean he has to meet the NHL mandate of 7 days in quarantine since he's crossing the Canadian border? :raspberry:
((unless he drives to Toledo first, and no way in hell he wants to drive to Toledo)
The problem with Mantha is that his big problem with Detroit seems to be -- inconsistency and a lack of competitiveness at times. [size=78%]So have we traded Ferrari Vrana for 18-wheeler Vrana? [/size]You clearly havent seen Mantha play. Hes easily one of top 6 complete forwards, regardless of what the top of the screen says when the game starts.
[size=78%]Maybe the Caps suspect that Mantha was getting frustrated by Detroit's lack of recent success, and they figure he will be reinvigorated by the change of scenery. It isn't that Mantha is a big hitter or fighter or anything. I think the price was awfully high, but the prevailing attitude was that the Caps were willing to do whatever it takes to make a splash in the playoffs this year. I'd be happier with the trade if Glendening were coming back in addition to Mantha, but I guess what is, is.[/size]
I keep hearing about the Caps being all in for the Cup again this year, but I don't think that they can be considered anything more than a wildcard in the Stanley Cup playoffs as long as they have zero playoff experience in goal. We really have no clue what we are going to get in net when the regular season ends.
So Mantha is seen as a top 6 scoring winger. If he and Wilson are the top 6 right wings, that would seem to move Oshie down to the 3rd line. Maybe not a bad idea in a way, since Oshie is considered a good defensive player, but the problem is that his offensive output figures to drop off playing with Eller, who has never been a great playmaker. It isn't clear to me that the Caps are upgrading themselves scoring-wise at all.
Maybe they want to try and win the cup by scaring everyone to death with bulk.
so Vrana was moping because he wanted more ice time, but he didn't really earn it...Hes gonna have a tough time in Detroit if he doesn't man up.
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Raffl is solid and sound defensively. Will probably be used on the pk. A good pick up for the bottom 6 role.
Another thing about Mantha, shot speed is up there with Ovie & Charas.
Check out the first goal on thus, then realize hell be with Ovie 😈
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Don't dislike Mantha but why is it the Caps always seem to overpay at the trade deadline? If it took a 2nd round pick to get them to take Paniks contract, then we gave a first and Vrana for Mantha. Yes, Mantha has two more years of term than Vrana, but I just think we overpaid. I actually liked Panik. He worked hard and would throw some checks pretty often - he just couldn't put the puck in the net enough.
So who sits if Raffl is starting? Sprong? If so, I hate to see that.
But see, a game like is shown in the video you posted doesn't answer questions about intensity and consistency, it raises them. It shows one 4-goal game, isolated, by a guy who in his best years has been a 20+ goal scorer. That ONE game shows massive talent. Why doesn't total performance add up to more than what his stats say he is?. What I do see is you trying to twist the context of footage showing he has one of the harder shots in league to support the bullshit you heard about "consistency". "But see", not once did I mention that there.
Anyone know what kempny's status is right now. It would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.
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I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net. There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line: His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million. That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is. The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap. It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work. Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.
I don't hate Mantha. You really like to put words in people's mouths that they don't say.No, i just call you out on your phony arrogance, & watch you immediately play a victim in an attempt to distract from being called out. The exact pattern is guaranteed.
I just mentioned that word from Detroit and the league is that he has been inconsistent and his effort level has been reported as lower than expected at times. I'm sure the Caps made this trade figuring to get a player who is much more motivated now that he is playing important games. Otherwise, they way, way overpaid.
Now if Glendening had been included in the trade, it would have been much more even, though the team really wouldn't have room for both him and Dowd. If I'm going to judge whether word I hear from professionals around the league, including from the team that he has played for, will carry more or less weight than the opinions you express, you can probably guess which way I'm going.
I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net. There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line: His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million. That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is. The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap. It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work. Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.
Anyone know what kempny's status is right now. It would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.For what possible reason? I think he is done here.
Carlson can't be replaced. I don't understand why you think he could be easily replaced.
If it were me, I'd get rid of Carlsons contract. He doesn't bring anything that can't easily be replaced defensively, and we've had guys fill in at PP1 QB that did just as well there to. Keeping Seigs would've been that answer, at least for a year or two until a couple guys in Hershey are ready.
Carlson can be replaced, and for a lot less moneyWe could could get a guy for alot less money but there is no way in hell the guy is replacing Carlson. Like I said you aren't giving him enough credit.
We could could get a guy for alot less money but there is no way in hell the guy is replacing Carlson. Like I said you aren't giving him enough credit.
Tell you what. Why don't you name some guys that can replace what Carlson brings. There might be a handful of guys but none are likely available.
opinion A verses opinion B, both are valid, no reason to keep beating one of them
I like it...Play the song! :uh-huh:
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Play the song! :uh-huh:I agree. Not sure why we are discussing it.
Carlson talk is irrelevant, cause they aint trading/moving/losing him. They just aint. :snicker:
It was mentioned because the Caps NEED to dump salary. There is no disagreement on this. The problem is which contract to dump that won't cost them a similar amount of money to replace. That narrows it down quite a bit.It would be nice to free up some salary. And would have also been nice to keep Seigs. I know the moves we made were to free up space to fit Mantha.
and keeping Seigs could've worked.
I like it...
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We're going to lose Oshie, I read somewhere that with the Sheary deal means that Oshie is exposed.
We're going to lose Oshie, I read somewhere that with the Sheary deal means that Oshie is exposed.
7+3 OR 8 skaters total
+1
So if its 8... it doesn't help us much.
But...they ONLY get one guy so...
Which ONE guy can't you live without?
I doubt they leave any centers exposed. The Caps don't have the means to replace any right now. I think this last year has slowed prospect development, meaning Protas and McMichael aren't ready yet.I'm not sure why you continue with the I wouldn't protect Carlson or we should dump Carlson for salary reasons. It just isn't going to happen. We all know it.
Are you sure they have to protect 7+3? I keep reading that and that they just need to protect 10 guys plus a goalie. If it's just 10 guys, I think I use all that on forewards. Seatle can only take one guy, and I think team chemistry wise, a Dman will be easier to deal with, and I wouldn't protect Carlson hoping they are willing to take that contract. But I expect they won't so it'd be a wasted slot.
The Caps have to dump a lot of salary, and soon too. Someone is going to go that we don't want to see leave. They are real close to fire sale territory, and I frikin hate fire sales.
I doubt they leave any centers exposed. The Caps don't have the means to replace any right now. I think this last year has slowed prospect development, meaning Protas and McMichael aren't ready yet.
Are you sure they have to protect 7+3? I keep reading that and that they just need to protect 10 guys plus a goalie. If it's just 10 guys, I think I use all that on forewards. Seatle can only take one guy, and I think team chemistry wise, a Dman will be easier to deal with, and I wouldn't protect Carlson hoping they are willing to take that contract. But I expect they won't so it'd be a wasted slot.
The Caps have to dump a lot of salary, and soon too. Someone is going to go that we don't want to see leave. They are real close to fire sale territory, and I frikin hate fire sales.
I'm not sure why you continue with the I wouldn't protect Carlson or we should dump Carlson for salary reasons. It just isn't going to happen. We all know it.
I really don't understand how it's always about Carlson. The only guy you even mention on the negative side is Carlson.
I really don't think Carlson is going anywhere so let's get a bit realistic about salaries to dump.
I would say Oshie or Kuzy go before Carlson.
I think Ovie Backstrom and Carlson are untouchable and play their entire careers here.
We're moving Carlson again? :snicker:
They won't leave anyone (substantial) unprotected, who they think they can/could trade instead. If they could ONLY protect 1 player, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Carlson.. He's at least in their top 3, imo.
We should start a Expansion Draft Lottery competition. Anybody wants in - buy in is with a (big) bottle of their favorite Hooch. (It has to be liquid Mick)
It better be liquid! Ya'll aint gettin my flower.. Stuff is too hard to come by! :rofl: I'll toke up a shot for the winner though! :huh:
I'm not sure why you continue with the I wouldn't protect Carlson or we should dump Carlson for salary reasons. It just isn't going to happen. We all know it.
I really don't understand how it's always about Carlson. The only guy you even mention on the negative side is Carlson.
I really don't think Carlson is going anywhere so let's get a bit realistic about salaries to dump.
I would say Oshie or Kuzy go before Carlson.
I think Ovie Backstrom and Carlson are untouchable and play their entire careers here.
you got one of those bubbly things? What happens if you whisky in it? Last time I had one was decades ago. The only thing I remember working well was ice.
If Oshie is exposed, that may be very tempting to Seattle. He's a hard working veteran that could be their first Captain. Remember they can't just get all cheap guys. They still need to make it to the salary cap floor and they also probably want to be half decent to draw interest in the community. Who better to have on their team than an Olympic American stapleI think he was exposed in the VGK
He was exposed but didn't have a contract until after the draft. I really don't know how that would work claiming an upcoming UFA. Does anyone know if Vegas selected any upcoming UFA's? Doesn't really make sense to me if you're going to be a UFA that upcoming summer and somehow have to sign with the expansion team if they claim you. Kinda goes against the collective bargaining agreement in my mind.
I wouldn't have thought you could select a UFA for a fledging draft, because at the time of the draft, they wouldn't actually belong to any team and therefore would not count aginst a team selection or salary hit.
The selection must be one player from every team, right? A UfA, at the time of the draft does not belong to ANY team and is therefore not eligible. Smart moves by the Caps in refards to Oshie. 8)
I could still be completely and uttetly wrong...
I think he was exposed in the VGK
depends how Kuzy responds, there very well could be some sudden salary cap space
You clearly havent seen Mantha play. Hes easily one of top 6 complete forwards, regardless of what the top of the screen says when the game starts.
Yeah he had somw constancy issues with The Wings during the rebuild, but that standard in Detroit for that FAR higher their than it is here. In fact, Im more worried about Vrana slowing The Wings rebuild down with his pussy ass, lazy Eurotrash play. Dont be surprised if he doesnt make it Motown.