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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => General Discusion Anything But Hockey => Topic started by: ArJunaZ on Saturday June 09, 2018, 09:14:42 PM Eastern
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I have now lost all respect for DSP :poop: after reading this.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/devante-smith-pelly-president-trump-white-house-1.4695235 (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/devante-smith-pelly-president-trump-white-house-1.4695235)
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If Trotz doesn't make the ENTIRE team go to the White House GRACIOUSLY, without any political bullshit I then I'll lose ALL respect for the team and the NHL, and someone else can take over this forum.
I can't stand all this imagined incoherent bullshit, divisive nonsense. It's pure idiocy, and when you ask someone like DSP to give an example of why he makes these accusations you will NEVER get an articulate cogent reply.
This puts a damper on the experience of the Caps winning the cup. I refuse to watch the NFL for a second because of their bullshit disrespect for the flag and what it stands for. I really thought the NHL players had more class.
I'm pissed! Why are there so many people desperately trying to keep the "N" word alive?
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I don't care if DSP doesn't want to go. What I would care about is him not going basically "forcing" the rest of the team to not go either (on the principle that they wouldn't want to leave a man behind). And I could definitely see Trotz or Ovie trying to stand by DSP by saying "no one is going to the WH"
The Caps just won the Cup. They deserve to bask in all the glory and experiences that come with it. A trip to the White House is one of them.
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I don't care if DSP doesn't want to go. What I would care about is him not going basically "forcing" the rest of the team to not go either (on the principle that they wouldn't want to leave a man behind). And I could definitely see Trotz or Ovie trying to stand by DSP by saying "no one is going to the WH"
The Caps just won the Cup. They deserve to bask in all the glory and experiences that come with it. A trip to the White House is one of them.
Agreed! This is not the time or place for politics. Especially when you are incapable of offering any intelligent rationale for it.
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This is old news. Funny you didn't mention it before. I don't understand what the problem is. DSP doesn't like Trump, so what. A lot of people don't like him. To be honest I don't like him either. Its nots the politics, its the demeanor. Are the Caps even going to be invited to the White House. Trump already cancelled the Superbowl champion Eagle visit and I have heard that the NBA champs the Warriors won't be invited either. Big deal, sports and politics don't belong together anyway.
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Agreed! This is not the time or place for politics. Especially when you are incapable of offering any intelligent rationale for it.
Apparently you are a Trump lover. I don't get it.
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Agreed! This is not the time or place for politics. Especially when you are incapable of offering any intelligent rationale for it.
Yeah! I mean I get it, DSP doesn't like Trump. He finds him to be racist. But I feel like this is one of those situations where...just grin and bear it, be a good sport, don't be all about you and your feelings and let your TEAM have an experience of a lifetime.
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I see the libtard lie about Trump being racist has spread well. I don’t care who you do or don’t like. I hate obama based solely on the fact he’s a socialist, which is proved if read his two autobiography’s. The first one he wrote while still coming down off his self admitted coke and pot high while at Harvard, also in his books. But if you are going to dislike/hate someone, at least base it on facts.
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Yeah! I mean I get it, DSP doesn't like Trump. He finds him to be racist. But I feel like this is one of those situations where...just grin and bear it, be a good sport, don't be all about you and your feelings and let your TEAM have an experience of a lifetime.
Are you guys even sure the Caps will be invited? The NFL and NBA champs aren't. If the NHL champs are invited and the other league champs aren't some people might call it an act of racism because a high majority of hockey players are white. I hope this doesn't happen. Best way to ensure that is to cancel them all.
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I see the libtard lie about Trump being racist has spread well. I don’t care who you do or don’t like. I hate obama based solely on the fact he’s a socialist, which is proved if read his two autobiography’s. The first one he wrote while still coming down off his self admitted coke and pot high while at Harvard, also in his books. But if you are going to dislike/hate someone, at least base it on facts.
I don't know if Trump is a racist or feminist. A lot of people make him out to be that way. But he us a fucking idiot. Way too controversial.
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You guys do realize that this all started because Trump cancelled the Eagles visit.
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I don't know if Trump is a racist or feminist. A lot of people make him out to be that way. But he us a fucking idiot. Way too controversial.
As Alta said, there are a whole lot of accusations, but I have NEVER heard a single brain dead libtard articulate one cogent reason for any of them. Trump is not controversial. The idiots just want him to be, they pretend that he is, and they convince only the few who don't have a mind of their own to see through the noise.
You are going to get a warning for being just plain dumb! :raspberry:
Warning! Be careful not to type your short name in lower case, and especially don't type it in between colons. That is your warning.
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The Eagles visit got canceled because they were playing Trump. 10 days prior the Eagles said the team would be there, approx 80 people. The day Trump canceled, the White House called to confirm. The response was maybe 3 players would show up. I don’t blame Trump, I would’ve done the same thing.
Like I said, if your gonna hate, be factual
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Yeah! I mean I get it, DSP doesn't like Trump. He finds him to be racist. But I feel like this is one of those situations where...just grin and bear it, be a good sport, don't be all about you and your feelings and let your TEAM have an experience of a lifetime.
It has nothing to do with feelings. It has to do with disrespecting each other. I can't stand that the idiots in the media and the treasonous globalists on both the left and the right are dividing Americans, especially since the reality is that we have never been less divided. We stand together and we are strong. That is why these idiots attack the feeble minded and push hard to divide us. Don't buy it. Don't fall for it.
If they succeed in separating or dividing us they will conquer us. My argument and concern is as simple as that.
ETA
I'm going to sleep in prep for getting up at 5am on Tuesday. I'll be back to pick up any discussion tomorrow. Good nite all. Though we sometimes have our spats I appreciate and love all of you.
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EVERYTHING these days is political. Especially to the left. They use EVERY opportunity to play the race, gender or whatever card they can. If you don't agree with them then it's only a matter of time before you're given a name ending in "ist" or you're accused of an "ism" of some sort. Sadly, too many conservatives ando middle of the road folks fear those names.
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The Eagles visit got canceled because they were playing Trump. 10 days prior the Eagles said the team would be there, approx 80 people. The day Trump canceled, the White House called to confirm. The response was maybe 3 players would show up. I don’t blame Trump, I would’ve done the same thing.
Like I said, if your gonna hate, be factual
You really don't get it. There is a reason why these players dont want to visit the White House. It isn't the White House or the politics. Its Trump himself. They hate him. If it was a couple of players I would blame the players but its the majority of the players. Same thing happened with the NBA. A lot if the players said they wouldnt attend so Trump said that they werent invited. It is pretty obvious that a lot if people have issues with Trump. And this is factual. BTW I dont really hate Trump. I don't like him either. I do think he is an idiot. Like I said the problem isn't the politics the problem is the man himself. And why am I not surprised you are in love with him.
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It's too bad DSP decided to get caught up in the political bs.. I mean, if I was "invited" to the White House, I don't care if Obama or Clinton was president (even though Im pretty sure they take one look at me and assume I was a white racist deplorable) I'd go and enjoy it! That's a once in a lifetime opportunity! Anyway, go, don't go.. Your loss DSP!!
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You guys get too wound up about politics. To be honest topics like politics or religion don't belong in a hockey forum.
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Trump was in the national spotlight for decades.. Not one peep about being a racist/supremist/etc. He runs for president and beats Hillary and the butt hurting hasn't stopped since.. Everything he says there's some liberal that starts yelling about "what he really meant".. Gotta stop watching so much MSNBC.. :rofl:
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You guys get too wound up about politics. To be honest topics like politics or religion don't belong in a hockey forum.
Then maybe hockey players shouldn't get political when the visit is about winning a hockey series.
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Trump was in the national spotlight for decades.. Not one peep about being a racist/supremist/etc. He runs for president and beats Hillary and the butt hurting hasn't stopped since.. Everything he says there's some liberal that starts yelling about "what he really meant".. Gotta stop watching so much MSNBC.. :rofl:
The world isn't just "left vs right" bud. I've seen lots of people, not politically affiliated at all be critical of Trump. Racist, sexist, whatever the reason. For me, as a Canadian who does not vote by the way, but if I would it would probably switch because all politicians are full of bullshit and lie to you to get voted. Which is all they care about. The fact that politics has turned into a reality TV celebrity contest (and was the case long before Trump) is a joke to me. Always will be. It's a community liason position, nothing more nothing less. A figurehead that really has very little actual responsibilities that don't involve hordes of other individuals. Much of the political system in a lot of countries including in the West are heaps of propaganda all meant to fuel a machine that none of the politicans care about. They care about instead the consequences of making the positions such "celebrity" type affairs. $$$. Bigger paychecks, bigger ability to sell books memoirs, whatever else. It's garbage.
Most "woke" I use that mostly jokingly though get that. It isn't "libtards vs god lovers". If your still on that battle then bots and fake news and the list goes on is still all you see. Forget just reading MSNBC. Or CNN or just Fox news. The idea that there "one true source" for a news media that has turned into "opinion" hour that constantly twists facts to push agendas (on all sides, all sides do this, your side does it just as much as the lefts) is exactly why none of it can be trusted. For the real people looking for real truths and facts all we are left with is spending copious amounts of hours hearing accounts for every god damn side of the story, the middle side included, and then piecing what we can about actual facts from there and coming to our own conclusions in private. Because real people like you no longer allow actual debate. You just turn everything into the "libtard vs god loving" left vs right ad hominem garbage.
Nobody should really be offended by DSP not going though. It's a peaceful right not to visit the President. Your patriotism is WAY too deep if this is the type of thing that makes your hair stand on end. It's crazy to you to think that in a world of 8 fucking billion people that some may not like the president of your Country? A country I remind you that is only one of HUNDREDS on the planet. I'm not going to try and spoil the good mood in here but I see a lot of "Americanism" in here that sometimes bugs me. Proudly display what you want, I don't care. But don't shit on others because we have a difference of opinion. We aren't telling you we are better than you, no reason you need to come be doing that back.
Trump is the type of person who does that. It's why it rubs people the wrong way. By the by I always treated Trump like a joke, well before he was elected as a President to the country I wasn't in. No different than I treat Kardashian as a joke, the cast of the jersey shore as a joke the list goes on. I could give a shit if it's democrat or republician, liberal or conservative, if your a joke your a joke. If your a reality TV star pretending to be president, your a reality TV star pretending to be president. Liberal ass George Clooney would be just as much of a joke, so it isn't about sides.
Ultimately though I'd agree with Maacoo, too many people are looking for topics like this to trigger people or let out frustrations they have. It's why generalizations happen so fast, because when you see something that bugs you in the world you instantly apply it to the first thing you can to unleash on it. The "it really grinds my gears" phenomen. At the end of the day, real people know that real policy is what counts when it comes to politics. And real policy? I've seen great policy enacted by both liberal and conservative governments, and sometimes a combination of both. It's never "I enacted this one extreme thing that the entire of my base LOVED and it totally worked for everyone." That never happens. Never. But if the extreme left and the extreme right want to continue to think extreme fascism or extreme socialism are the keys to success, I'd easily suggest them to pick up a fucking history book. IT DOESN'T WORK. Ideals and morals don't make for effective politics, LOGIC AND PRACTICALITY DOES.
Devise rant done. :P
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Also yeah people as Maaco said nobody said the team wouldn't go. The NHL has historically gone for a while, but so do has other sports champions. This year seems to be a year where very few players on each team want to go. But considering the city, Trumps current push to try to get Russia back into the G7 and conversations/friendlyness with Putin, and we are in DC and all I'd say some of the team goes.
DSP was the only one I heard who wasn't going to go. And since the NFL and the NBA have a lot more non-caucasians that probably plays a role too. DSP will probably be one of only a handful of players on our roster who choose not to go if we do. I don't see why ANY of this is news. So a private citizen doesn't feel like sharing his joy with someone he thinks is a racist. You don't have to agree with him for his actions to be completely fine. He wasn't disrespectful, he wasn't going to show up and kneel in his face, he just didn't want to go. No harm, no foul, move on imo.
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I should state too, not trying to trash anyone here in regards to me pointing out some of the patriotism. I have a lot of respect for people here and even though it's apparent I don't completely lean politically the same place as some of you, that wouldn't change my respect levels for the majority of people here who I've had the pleasure to talk to for years now.
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Then maybe hockey players shouldn't get political when the visit is about winning a hockey series.
Just a minute here. We are talking one hockey player. The problem started with the Philadelphia Eagles not DSP
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It's too bad DSP decided to get caught up in the political bs.. I mean, if I was "invited" to the White House, I don't care if Obama or Clinton was president (even though Im pretty sure they take one look at me and assume I was a white racist deplorable) I'd go and enjoy it! That's a once in a lifetime opportunity! Anyway, go, don't go.. Your loss DSP!!
How is this DSPs loss?
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You really don't get it. There is a reason why these players dont want to visit the White House. It isn't the White House or the politics. Its Trump himself. They hate him. If it was a couple of players I would blame the players but its the majority of the players. Same thing happened with the NBA. A lot if the players said they wouldnt attend so Trump said that they werent invited. It is pretty obvious that a lot if people have issues with Trump. And this is factual. BTW I dont really hate Trump. I don't like him either. I do think he is an idiot. Like I said the problem isn't the politics the problem is the man himself. And why am I not surprised you are in love with him.
Actually, YOU don't get it. You should stick to what's going on in Canada, there is cause for concern.
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Except Trump is NOT a politician - and he is actually doing/working on doing what he said he would. Hmm, a novel idea.
And maybe you have to live here to understand the media bias against him. It's quite remarkable.
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How is this DSPs loss?
That you need it explained, is enough for me not to bother.. :angel: But keep diggin and you may get a taste! :wackysmile:
Oh and for the record, I've not "lost all respect for DSP" Nor am I pissed.. Just think he's cutting his nose off to spite his face here.. He's starts taking a knee for the National anthem, THEN we'll have a problem with DSP! (Ō_ƆŎ)
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You really don't get it. There is a reason why these players dont want to visit the White House. It isn't the White House or the politics. Its Trump himself. They hate him. If it was a couple of players I would blame the players but its the majority of the players. Same thing happened with the NBA. A lot if the players said they wouldnt attend so Trump said that they werent invited. It is pretty obvious that a lot if people have issues with Trump. And this is factual. BTW I dont really hate Trump. I don't like him either. I do think he is an idiot. Like I said the problem isn't the politics the problem is the man himself. And why am I not surprised you are in love with him.
Sadly, you don't get it, and it's not even worth attempting to fix you. ::)
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You guys get too wound up about politics. To be honest topics like politics or religion don't belong in a hockey forum.
Take that up with DSP.
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Take that up with DSP.
This isn't about DSP. This is about Trump. He is the reason that players from different sports don't want the White House visit. Don't blame it in DSP.
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The world isn't just "left vs right" bud. I've seen lots of people, not politically affiliated at all be critical of Trump. Racist, sexist, whatever the reason. For me, as a Canadian who does not vote by the way, but if I would it would probably switch because all politicians are full of bullshit and lie to you to get voted. Which is all they care about. The fact that politics has turned into a reality TV celebrity contest (and was the case long before Trump) is a joke to me. Always will be. It's a community liason position, nothing more nothing less. A figurehead that really has very little actual responsibilities that don't involve hordes of other individuals. Much of the political system in a lot of countries including in the West are heaps of propaganda all meant to fuel a machine that none of the politicans care about. They care about instead the consequences of making the positions such "celebrity" type affairs. $$$. Bigger paychecks, bigger ability to sell books memoirs, whatever else. It's garbage.
Most "woke" I use that mostly jokingly though get that. It isn't "libtards vs god lovers". If your still on that battle then bots and fake news and the list goes on is still all you see. Forget just reading MSNBC. Or CNN or just Fox news. The idea that there "one true source" for a news media that has turned into "opinion" hour that constantly twists facts to push agendas (on all sides, all sides do this, your side does it just as much as the lefts) is exactly why none of it can be trusted. For the real people looking for real truths and facts all we are left with is spending copious amounts of hours hearing accounts for every god damn side of the story, the middle side included, and then piecing what we can about actual facts from there and coming to our own conclusions in private. Because real people like you no longer allow actual debate. You just turn everything into the "libtard vs god loving" left vs right ad hominem garbage.
Nobody should really be offended by DSP not going though. It's a peaceful right not to visit the President. Your patriotism is WAY too deep if this is the type of thing that makes your hair stand on end. It's crazy to you to think that in a world of 8 fucking billion people that some may not like the president of your Country? A country I remind you that is only one of HUNDREDS on the planet. I'm not going to try and spoil the good mood in here but I see a lot of "Americanism" in here that sometimes bugs me. Proudly display what you want, I don't care. But don't shit on others because we have a difference of opinion. We aren't telling you we are better than you, no reason you need to come be doing that back.
Trump is the type of person who does that. It's why it rubs people the wrong way. By the by I always treated Trump like a joke, well before he was elected as a President to the country I wasn't in. No different than I treat Kardashian as a joke, the cast of the jersey shore as a joke the list goes on. I could give a shit if it's democrat or republician, liberal or conservative, if your a joke your a joke. If your a reality TV star pretending to be president, your a reality TV star pretending to be president. Liberal ass George Clooney would be just as much of a joke, so it isn't about sides.
Ultimately though I'd agree with Maacoo, too many people are looking for topics like this to trigger people or let out frustrations they have. It's why generalizations happen so fast, because when you see something that bugs you in the world you instantly apply it to the first thing you can to unleash on it. The "it really grinds my gears" phenomen. At the end of the day, real people know that real policy is what counts when it comes to politics. And real policy? I've seen great policy enacted by both liberal and conservative governments, and sometimes a combination of both. It's never "I enacted this one extreme thing that the entire of my base LOVED and it totally worked for everyone." That never happens. Never. But if the extreme left and the extreme right want to continue to think extreme fascism or extreme socialism are the keys to success, I'd easily suggest them to pick up a fucking history book. IT DOESN'T WORK. Ideals and morals don't make for effective politics, LOGIC AND PRACTICALITY DOES.
Devise rant done. :P
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Except Trump is NOT a politician - and he is actually doing/working on doing what he said he would. Hmm, a novel idea.
And maybe you have to live here to understand the media bias against him. It's quite remarkable.
I just noticed that you posted this, exactly what I was going to post. I see you already beat me to another one in response to Maaco. It boggles the mind doesn't it. Watching CNN or MSDNC is like rat poison for the brain for some people.
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Sadly, you don't get it, and it's not even worth attempting to fix you. ::)
Its you that doesn't get it. And you are too stubborn to see what is right in front if you. Now really who really cares if a player doesn't want to visit the White House. Why do you care so much? Like I said it has absolutely nothing to do with the politics. It has everything to do with Trump himself.
Sounds as if you guys think DSP should respect Trump. Why should he? Has Trump earned it.
Did you make a big deal when Tim Thomas refused to go in 2012? His reason was all political and he is an American.
My point is a lot of people don't like Trump. So what. Who fricken cares. They have the right to do so. Are you really that much in love with Trump that you need to come to his defense?
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The question I have is why is DSPs political views or his feelings towards Trump so important to you? So if someone has different political views than you do, you have no respect for them? Everyone has their own beliefs.
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It warms my heart and gives me great encouragement for my Son's future that so many of you see things for what they are and not how the media has directed you. I mean this sincerely. I've been intensely researching the calamity that was the treason and coming future of the USA since 1985 and at one point about 20 years ago I had given up up that we would ever recover to be the great country we were and were meant to be. To see the awakening of so many people has been my single greatest wish.
It still amazes me how anyone does not see President Trump as the best thing to happen to America in all of our lifetimes. I will tell you this. Without the backing of some extremely powerful forces (military and intelligence) he would be dead already. There is an army of true patriots who've been planning the take back of this country for the people for decades. The deep state has finally met its match and that is why they've been running around like chickens with their heads cut off since President Trump was elected. The media under Project Mockingbird has been a propaganda machine for decades. I especially noticed the reality of this after leaving the country to work and then coming back. I realized first hand that we were one of the most propagandized nations in the western world. Canada running a tight second.
The movement to take back America chose President Trump. The only reason he ran is because he knew he had the might behind him and was part of a grand plan to take down the deep state traitors. He is only the figurehead of a very powerful counter-coup operation that Obama tried to destroy in 2012-13. I will guarantee all of you something. The show has barely begun. Get your popcorn ready.
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The question I have is why is DSPs political views or his feelings towards Trump so important to you? So if someone has different political views than you do, you have no respect for them? Everyone has their own beliefs.
It's because it shows me how clueless people like you and DSP and others are about what's happening in the world. It makes me shake my head in disgust, and yes anger. It was the complacency and stupidity of the American people that allowed this to happen and that has made me angry since I was in my 20s.
Please don't take it personally. You are one of many, though it's not nearly as many as the media would have you believe. So many have woken up. If you have any interest in reality I would suggest that you reevaluate your thoughts and try to understand why you believe what you believe. As I see it you are a robot repeating sound bytes that have been drilled into your head over and over until you think it's your own thoughts. If you understood reality there is no way you would say the things you do. I pray for everyone to wake up, but I stopped really trying to push the process along directly for some years now. Everyone in their own time will hopefully find truth.
I realize how this sounds. I know I don't know everything, but I do know what I know. I've had the fortune of working my entire career in and around the military and federal government. I've been to damn near every military base in the country and worked for nearly every major federal agency at some point in time. I've met a lot of people and learned a lot of things from those people. I've worked at NSA, DIA, DARPA, and others. I've not worked at, but I have a couple friends in the CIA. There are a lot of good people out there and many of them exchanged ideas with me about the direction this country was heading and why. I've put on conferences about government cover up where I got to meet many, many more people with a LOT to say about what they knew was going on. I was also in the military. I also spent more than 5 years at the World Bank, one of the most insidious global organizations ever. The shit I learned there made me furious and I knew then something had to change or we were all fucked. President Trump and the people behind him are that change.
Do I like Donald Trump? Not really. But I do love the patriot that he is and that he is smart enough and now powerful enough to take down the scum of the Earth, and we are seeing that happen on a daily basis. Have you noticed how many pedophiles have been arrested worldwide since he took office? There's a very important reason for that, which I am sure will become crystal clear fairly soon. I remember telling my Dad when Donald Trump first announced that he was running for office that this was the start of the global recovery and that the approach Trump had to take in order to successfully take down the shadow government, what we now call the deep state, was to go after them for crimes against children and humanity. This story will be huge, but is thus far operating in the shadows.
There is so much that Americans have been oblivious to. If all goes as planned they will actually remain oblivious to some of the worst of it. The reality of what has been going on is so horrific that it would literally make Americans sick. Some may think it's best they don't ever learn the gory details. Even still, they will be shocked in the coming year.
Damn. I didn't mean to write a short story. Once I get going on this I find I have so much to say. I thank God every day for President Trump. I wish it were possible for people to get a glimpse of what was planned to happen under Hillary. Only those that pay attention closely or have been studying it like me for so long will ever know the bullet that we dodged when Trump won. I promise you it would have been hell on Earth. No exaggeration here.
Like him or not, we will ALL benefit from President Trumps bold efforts.
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I never once said I disagreed with Trumps political views. Infact I agree with most of it. Yet you call me clueless because I respect the political views of others. Sorry ArJ but that isn't going to change.
You make it sound as if Trump is a savior. Maybe in the US but not everyone is American.
What is Trump doing for Canada other than bullying our Prime Minister?
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I'm gonna recommend something to shed light on how bad the media bias is. I try to listen to the Chris Plante Show every morning. It's radio, mon-fri 9-12am, so you can continue to work at whatever work it is you do, except maybe classrooms. His former job was 15 years at CNN covering DC and the Pentagon, so he knows what of he speaks. It can be streamed, free, on WMAL. There is an app for that, shocker, right. The shows are also condensed the day after so you can podcast them comercial free.
If one wanted to do some actual research of their own, one could look up the bios of the head talking heads at nbc, abc, cbs. It's amazing how many of them are "former" high ranking DNC party members. But there's no bias :lol: . I do find it amazing though, how the very same people that say Trump lies all the time don't seem to have any problem with what the two democrat leaders of the house and senate say. Every single time schumer or pelosi open their mouths within range of a mic, it's nothing but lies. Every. Single. Time. If one of them tells you it's day time you need to look out a window to confirm it.
I would also prefer that politics be kept on the anything but hockey side. Sports are supposed to be a break from politics and something that brings people together, rather than drive them apart as the left seems keen on doing.
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I never once said I disagreed with Trumps political views. Infact I agree with most of it. Yet you call me clueless because I respect the political views of others. Sorry ArJ but that isn't going to change.
You make it sound as if Trump is a savior. Maybe in the US but not everyone is American.
What is Trump doing for Canada other than bullying our Prime Minister?
Your prime minister is a douche bag globalist traitor to Canada. Figure it out because I'm right.
I do not like bullies, but President Trump is right to bully that weak minded traitorous fool Trudeau. We are all in this world together and we have some serious threats facing us. They are not ISIS/ISIL, or Al Qaeda. The true terrorists are the ones Trudeau owes allegiance to.
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As I said privately to Maaco. I try to keep the political stuff on the other side of the forum where you can choose to join in or not. DSP's utter ignorance made me post this here. Again, you can choose to join in the discussion or not. I will pull no punches when it comes to the future of the world. You all know I am passionate about hockey. Well I am a thousand times more passionate about the truth and exposing lies that are dragging the world down completely. Most people have no idea how much better this world would be if most of us woke up and understood what is really happening and has been going on for millennia. Sorry if I offend, but that's how it goes.
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You really don't get it. There is a reason why these players dont want to visit the White House. It isn't the White House or the politics. Its Trump himself. They hate him. If it was a couple of players I would blame the players but its the majority of the players. Same thing happened with the NBA. A lot if the players said they wouldnt attend so Trump said that they werent invited. It is pretty obvious that a lot if people have issues with Trump. And this is factual. BTW I dont really hate Trump. I don't like him either. I do think he is an idiot. Like I said the problem isn't the politics the problem is the man himself. And why am I not surprised you are in love with him.
No, you really, really don't get it. As I said about the Eagles, they were trying to play Trump, leave him there holding his dork for the champions photo op. The nba team said they would not go before Trump had the opportunity to ask. People are berated into hating trump by the liberal socialist DNC run press based on nothing. This tactic works well on weak minded people. It's seems the collective memory of the average liberal is about 30 seconds. They conveniently forget how much they all liked to hang out with Trump before he changed his party affiliation to an R, which wasn't that long ago. Even that didn't deter very many liberals. What realy made TDS mainstream is what a lousy candidate hillary was. This whole thing is nothing but an extension of the liberal coup attempt.
I'd love to see you quote me on where I said or implied I love trump. Much like on the old board where I asked you to quote me on where I'd "pounded Carlson into the sand" and you couldn't. I loved Reagan, but much like trump the liberal press hated him too and did their best to make him look like an idiot too. Which again, worked on weak minded people.
But what I especially love is a foreigner trying to tell us what is and isn't based on the bullshit the press puts out on a daily basis.
Since your such an expert on the US, I'm sure you knew our GDP, that's Gross Domestic Product, which is what makes the economy grow, never went above %2.5 for the entire obama administration. It was because of his policy's, and the socialist DNC run press had his back on it. Kept telling us anything above %3 was never going to be possible again and we just had to learn to live like a third world country. Trumps policy's had this county at %3.5 in his second quarter in office. The most recent number, which was adjusted after being released, is %4.7.{the numbers are always adjusted after initial release. For obama they always got adjusted down, meaning things were worse than advertised. So far for Trump the numbers are getting adjusted up} That's nearly double of what obama was capable of. Because obama is an anti American socialist, and socialism always fails. Every. Single. Time. Prior to obama the US never had a president where the GDP never went above %3 for his entire administration. It didn't even happen under FDR, where the only reason The Great Depression lasted so long was because the federal government kept trying to "fix" the economy. The depression didn't end until we got our 16 million service members back home with their 4-5 years of paychecks in '45-'47.
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Its you that doesn't get it. And you are too stubborn to see what is right in front if you. Now really who really cares if a player doesn't want to visit the White House. Why do you care so much? Like I said it has absolutely nothing to do with the politics. It has everything to do with Trump himself.
Sounds as if you guys think DSP should respect Trump. Why should he? Has Trump earned it.
Did you make a big deal when Tim Thomas refused to go in 2012? His reason was all political and he is an American.
My point is a lot of people don't like Trump. So what. Who fricken cares. They have the right to do so. Are you really that much in love with Trump that you need to come to his defense?
I don’t give a shit whether DSP respects Trump. And yes, I think Tim Thomas was wrong. My biggest gripe is when individual players make it about them. All we heard after the Cup win was what a “team” effort this was. How much they appreciated each other “as a team”. The “team” may be invited to the White House .... to celebrate what the “team” accomplished. DSP is making it about him, which I object to.
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Wtf is wrong with you guys? Like I said a lot of the professional athletes don't like Trump. So what. Who fucking cares? That is their right. I'm not saying its right or wrong. Its their decision and I respect that. To be honest I would prefer if all players would go whatever their feelings towards Trump are.
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I don’t give a shit whether DSP respects Trump. And yes, I think Tim Thomas was wrong. My biggest gripe is when individual players make it about them. All we heard after the Cup win was what a “team” effort this was. How much they appreciated each other “as a team”. The “team” may be invited to the White House .... to celebrate what the “team” accomplished. DSP is making it about him, which I object to.
I think DSP is following players from the NFL and NBA. I don't think he is making it about himself. I don't understand the big deal.
I'm not saying I agree with his decision but I do respect it. I'd rather see him go.
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This is old news. Funny you didn't mention it before. I don't understand what the problem is. DSP doesn't like Trump, so what. A lot of people don't like him. To be honest I don't like him either. Its nots the politics, its the demeanor. Are the Caps even going to be invited to the White House. Trump already cancelled the Superbowl champion Eagle visit and I have heard that the NBA champs the Warriors won't be invited either. Big deal, sports and politics don't belong together anyway.
Yes, it was said before game 5. If he doesn't go, I don't care so much. I wish he would go, if something he doesn't like say it personally.
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I think DSP is following players from the NFL and NBA. I don't think he is making it about himself. I don't understand the big deal.
I'm not saying I agree with his decision but I do respect it. I'd rather see him go.
Agree to disagree.
I don’t agree with DSP’s decision. And I don’t respect it either. This isn’t about him, it’s about the team. Thomas should’ve sucked it up and so should he.
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I think DSP is following players from the NFL and NBA. I don't think he is making it about himself. I don't understand the big deal.
I'm not saying I agree with his decision but I do respect it. I'd rather see him go.
It's more about team unity, play together, go together. Plus it is a long standing tradition. Trump is an odd president, but he is the president of the US, and the people had voted for him.
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Agree to disagree.
I don’t agree with DSP’s decision. And I don’t respect it either. This isn’t about him, it’s about the team. Thomas should’ve sucked it up and so should he.
I never said I agreed with DSP. Why is it so important that DSP go to the White House?
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It's more about team unity, play together, go together. Plus it is a long standing tradition. Trump is an odd president, but he is the president of the US, and the people had voted for him.
You guys are looking at this from an American perspective. If the situation was reversed and the team was invited by the government if another nation. Would you guys care if a player refused to go. Probably not.
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You guys are looking at this from an American perspective. If the situation was reversed and the team was invited by the government if another nation. Would you guys care if a player refused to go. Probably not.
For all the "entitlement" talk you see from older generations, the extreme Patriotism I see in the country sometimes reminds me of entitlement. "HE HAS TO SHOW THE EXACT LEVELS OF RESPECT WE DO FOR OUR GOVERNMENT, OR ELSE PITCHFORKS!"
If an athlete didn't care about visiting my PM I wouldn't care. That isn't patriotism. When my fellow Albertans race to the need of fellow Fort McMurray citizens due to a massive wildfire that burns down half the city? Now THAT is Patriotism I'll get behind. Supporting your country doesn't mean "you must support every facet of every decision of every person of everything ever done."
But it seems to binary to some people. You either are a patriot and follow all the tenants, or you aren't. The world isn't binary. It's grey, always grey.
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I have no idea what this response means, but okay. :P
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You guys are looking at this from an American perspective. If the situation was reversed and the team was invited by the government if another nation. Would you guys care if a player refused to go. Probably not.
No, your the one that's wrong, and it doesn't matter how long you berate us with your opinion about it.
The NFL is dying in this country because these entitled assholes went to London to play, stood respectfully for their anthem then took a knee for ours. It doesn't realy have that much to do with patriotism. It's more about respect, and more importantly, the reason these athletes are protesting is based on lies.
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You guys are looking at this from an American perspective. If the situation was reversed and the team was invited by the government if another nation. Would you guys care if a player refused to go. Probably not.
So the Canadian has a hard time understanding why American fans of an an American team in the American capital has a player unwilling to set his personal issues aside for the team to go to the American White House ....... and then tells us we “don’t understand” and we are seeing it from an American perspective? No shit Sherlock.
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DSP has the freedom not to go and the freedom to express his opinion. No one is being forced to print his words. It's being publicized because it brings eyeballs to the news sites. The media isn't impartial as they claim. They prefer stories of a particular nature.
Regarding Trump and his fitness for office. The US Constitution clearly lays out the qualifications. They were met. You may not like it, but practically anyone can be President. We have just proven this. I also think this is an interesting test of our tricameral system. No one person in our system can become dictator for life.
Trump is the result of certain party doing their best to find the only candidate that could loose to Trump.
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Yeah! I mean I get it, DSP doesn't like Trump. He finds him to be racist. But I feel like this is one of those situations where...just grin and bear it, be a good sport, don't be all about you and your feelings and let your TEAM have an experience of a lifetime.
Huh? And the President hasn't already consistently demonstrated that EVERYTHING is about him and his feelings? The problem here is that Donald Trump has taken an elegant and revered institution and turned it into the equivalent of a barroom food fight. If DSP doesn't want to go to the White House, that's his right (free speech and all; if money is speech, than attendance/nonattendance certainly is).
What prevents the President from inviting the Caps to the White House, and if everyone but one player shows up, or if half a dozen players don't show up, simply greet and congratulate the people who are there? I don't see this thing about if DSP doesn't go than nobody can/should go. We know what if anything would prevent it -- the President's ego. If he feels slighted in any way he'll find some way to demean the process or turn the attention back on him.
As for such a visit, free speech goes in both directions; if other players decide they want to go, they should have that right as well.
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That you need it explained, is enough for me not to bother.. :angel: But keep diggin and you may get a taste! :wackysmile:
Oh and for the record, I've not "lost all respect for DSP" Nor am I pissed.. Just think he's cutting his nose off to spite his face here.. He's starts taking a knee for the National anthem, THEN we'll have a problem with DSP! (Ō_ƆŎ)
You cant explain how its DSPs loss. I don't think its DSPs loss at all. He doesnt wish to make the visit. So what. I have no problem with that.
I agree about the national anthem thing though. Kneeling for the national anthem is disrespectful to the flag and the nation.
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Yeah . . . I would much rather athletes keep individual out of it.
Yet if I had to meet Trudeau’s husband, I would just assume challenge him to arm wrestling or Jack Daniels drinking before shaking her hand . . .
But, it’s not about me, or any individual. Tradition is the wining team goes to the White House, not the winning team gets to make political statements.
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How do you know he's trying to make a political statement? Maybe he just doesn't want to go because he thinks Trump is a shitty person.
. . .? And how is that not a political statement?
Bottom line is there are bigger things than personal politics and political drama. The individual on either side of the handshake are completely insignificant when it comes to the highest office acknowledging achievement.
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Huh? And the President hasn't already consistently demonstrated that EVERYTHING is about him and his feelings? The problem here is that Donald Trump has taken an elegant and revered institution and turned it into the equivalent of a barroom food fight. If DSP doesn't want to go to the White House, that's his right (free speech and all; if money is speech, than attendance/nonattendance certainly is).
When it comes to public service positions, there is a difference between the person and the position. So you should show respect for the position even if you don't agree with the person holding the position. Yes DSP has the right to not attend without penalty (although his contract might say otherwise) but it is disrespectful to the office of the President of the United States. Another analogy might be the handshake at the end of the game. You may not like them or particular individuals, but you do need to show the other team respect. Yes, you can refuse to do it, but that's not very classy. This is called etiquette not politics. There are other outlets for your disagreements.
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It's ironic how many people who claims to favor freedom and personal liberty think that DSP should be forced to go to the White House.
It's ironic how many people miss the entire point of the protest
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When it comes to public service positions, there is a difference between the person and the position. So you should show respect for the position even if you don't agree with the person holding the position. Yes DSP has the right to not attend without penalty (although his contract might say otherwise) but it is disrespectful to the office of the President of the United States. Another analogy might be the handshake at the end of the game. You may not like them or particular individuals, but you do need to show the other team respect. Yes, you can refuse to do it, but that's not very classy. This is called etiquette not politics. There are other outlets for your disagreements.
Damn right.
There are many people in National or international politics that all of us would assume piss ourselves than piss on them if they were burning alive.
But common decency, responsibility, etiquette & protocol must take priority over all of that. The White House is congratulationing their “next door neighbor” for winning a championship, that is the point and bigger than any individual.
To that point, the ultimate irony and humor woulg be for DSP to ask The Donald to a game of basketball on Barracks White House court. . .
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chas just made me think of this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MTRZRRlA4sw
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chas just made me think of this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MTRZRRlA4sw (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MTRZRRlA4sw)
Man, was he a douchebag, lol.
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I'm surprised there hasn't been a huge deal of them speaking to Ivanka at the restaurant...
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When it comes to public service positions, there is a difference between the person and the position. So you should show respect for the position even if you don't agree with the person holding the position. Yes DSP has the right to not attend without penalty (although his contract might say otherwise) but it is disrespectful to the office of the President of the United States. Another analogy might be the handshake at the end of the game. You may not like them or particular individuals, but you do need to show the other team respect. Yes, you can refuse to do it, but that's not very classy. This is called etiquette not politics. There are other outlets for your disagreements.
See, here's where I have an issue with this President. He is precisely trying to make his position all about himself. Conducting diplomacy by namecalling, as if other countries' perspectives are a personal insult to the country because they are a personal insult to him. Taking advantage of his position in unprecedented ways to blatantly enrich himself and supporting his family in their efforts to do the same. Announcing official policy by tweet storm because that's his preferred way of communicating, after which he may radically change what he said a few days later, undermining his own staff. Making statements about policy and the state of the country that in many cases can be shown to be untrue, but continuing to double down on it because, well, to admit that he is being incorrect about something would be a personal blow to his ego. All of this is his approach to commingling the office of the Presidency and his own personna -- it's all about Donald Trump, all the time.
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I have now lost all respect for DSP :poop: after reading this.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/devante-smith-pelly-president-trump-white-house-1.4695235 (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/devante-smith-pelly-president-trump-white-house-1.4695235)
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If Trotz doesn't make the ENTIRE team go to the White House GRACIOUSLY, without any political bullshit I then I'll lose ALL respect for the team and the NHL, and someone else can take over this forum.
I can't stand all this imagined incoherent bullshit, divisive nonsense. It's pure idiocy, and when you ask someone like DSP to give an example of why he makes these accusations you will NEVER get an articulate cogent reply.
This puts a damper on the experience of the Caps winning the cup. I refuse to watch the NFL for a second because of their bullshit disrespect for the flag and what it stands for. I really thought the NHL players had more class.
I'm pissed! Why are there so many people desperately trying to keep the "N" word alive?
I don't know... Thomas refused to visit the White House under Obama when the Bruins won the Cup.
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EVERYTHING these days is political. Especially to the left. They use EVERY opportunity to play the race, gender or whatever card they can. If you don't agree with them then it's only a matter of time before you're given a name ending in "ist" or you're accused of an "ism" of some sort. Sadly, too many conservatives ando middle of the road folks fear those names.
I have not read your post but as a matter of prinicpal (spelling??) I have to disagree. You are full of it, KitFisto.
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You guys get too wound up about politics. To be honest topics like politics or religion don't belong in a hockey forum.
What's wrong with you? Of course they do. Part of hockey is about fighting... Like players like fans.
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See, here's where I have an issue with this President. He is precisely trying to make his position all about himself. Conducting diplomacy by namecalling, as if other countries' perspectives are a personal insult to the country because they are a personal insult to him. Taking advantage of his position in unprecedented ways to blatantly enrich himself and supporting his family in their efforts to do the same. Announcing official policy by tweet storm because that's his preferred way of communicating, after which he may radically change what he said a few days later, undermining his own staff. Making statements about policy and the state of the country that in many cases can be shown to be untrue, but continuing to double down on it because, well, to admit that he is being incorrect about something would be a personal blow to his ego. All of this is his approach to commingling the office of the Presidency and his own personna -- it's all about Donald Trump, all the time.
It's not the way I would do things either but oddly it does seem to have had a positive effect on at least one difficult situation. But we will have to see how that goes. I fully expect one of the two to walk out again in the summit.
It's refreshingly different to see the unfiltered thoughts of the President instead of a carefully crafted memo that says nothing and is weasel worded so that any result has been "predicted". A weather report from any other White House would read "Sunny, possibly rainy with a chance of snow and ice." Trump has an opinion and let's you know it before he runs it by a focus group to see how "acceptable" it is to the general public and the party. Again, we have a system of government in place that is going to protect us from this trial. If it doesn't, then we need to scrap it because that was the purpose of the three bodies of government.
Regarding the other claims here, anything Trump does to improve the economy would enrich his family. So logically, Trump needs to tank the economy in order to invalidate your statement. Yes, I know that Ivanka is likely getting special treatment from the Chinese government. This isn't the first time this has ever happened in the history of politics. I can name numerous other incidents of special treatment for politically connected relatives, even in recent times. Yes, it's crappy. We even had a word for it, nepotism. All administrations suffer from this curse.
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I'm surprised there hasn't been a huge deal of them speaking to Ivanka at the restaurant...
There was, on twitter.. Snowflakeville showed up in full force..
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"The things that he spews are straight-up racist and sexist," Canada's Postmedia quoted Smith-Pelly as saying Wednesday as the Capitals prepared for Game 5 against the Vegas Golden Knights. "Some of the things he's said are pretty gross. I'm not too into politics, so I don't know all his other views, but his rhetoric I definitely don't agree with. It hasn't come up here, but I think I already have my mind made up."
Considering the fact that he literally acknowledged that he's not totally familiar with Trump's political views, and that he thinks Trump is a racist and sexist person, is enough reason to think it's not meant as a political statement. Also, keep in mind this is a player who had racist taunts spewed at him in Chicago earlier this year.
SO many say this yet they can't cite a single of example. He acknowledged he didn't know anything about his politics so the better move was probably to just decline to comment. He's 25 - a kid and is a perfect example of letting celebrities and the media influence what he says and thinks. I don't see what some idiot in Chicago has to do the with President.
https://youtu.be/SNEYdIBiPNc
1:20 - classic.
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"The things that he spews are straight-up racist and sexist," Canada's Postmedia quoted Smith-Pelly as saying Wednesday as the Capitals prepared for Game 5 against the Vegas Golden Knights. "Some of the things he's said are pretty gross. I'm not too into politics, so I don't know all his other views, but his rhetoric I definitely don't agree with. It hasn't come up here, but I think I already have my mind made up."
Considering the fact that he literally acknowledged that he's not totally familiar with Trump's political views, and that he thinks Trump is a racist and sexist person, is enough reason to think it's not meant as a political statement. Also, keep in mind this is a player who had racist taunts spewed at him in Chicago earlier this year.
. . . So what?
Feelings, political statements, opinions , don’t have a place here.
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All people said. Let's close the topic or move it. It's much better to talk about 2017-18 greatness, this team deserved it! It's time for celebration!
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I have not read your post but as a matter of prinicpal (spelling??) I have to disagree. You are full of it, KitFisto.
My concern for what you think is the lowest possible priority of my day. In addition, if you don't think that the left uses every opportunity to play the race, gender, sexism, islamaphobic or whatever other card they choose then you're a fool. The left LIVES for it.
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My concern for what you think is the lowest possible priority of my day. In addition, if you don't think that the left uses every opportunity to play the race, gender, sexism, islamaphobic or whatever other card they choose then you're a fool. The left LIVES for it.
Nobody is denying that other than the crazy left. None of which appears to be in any force on this board. That is the thing that really confuses me about the stance. People love to complain about snowflakes all over Twitter but get realistic. Those people are a minority, no different than the real racist nazi's are a minority. Generalizing an entire political viewpoint, which is barely that anyways, based on the rightful bullshit of the outrage culture caused by a group of extreme leftists is just hypocrisy.
Worse yet? You guys respond to outrage culture with outrage, and then wonder why those of us in the Center, who I will remind you make up the majority of most elections look at both sides and go "this shit is toxic, I want nothing to do with ANY of it." Stop making it a big deal. Extreme left idiots will protest anything, that makes THEM wrong. But just because people play the race, gender, and sexism cards too fast does not mean that there aren't those problems going in on facets of your Country, my Country, and other parts of the world. You guys treat it like the extremists cried wolf too many times, but realistically the rest of us aren't abusing that sentiment. We aren't crying wolf. We are analyzing the world and going "there is still areas to fix."
Also if you want to argue that the center don't make up the majority, just look at the pendulum of elections of most modern first world countries. It rarely goes "conservative conservative conservative conservative." Just like it rarely goes "liberal, liberal, liberal, liberal." More often than not the pendulum swings from one party to the other in terms of who is in power. Which tells you what? That both extreme sides that refuse to look the other way and act like outrageous dolts, are not the majority. The center, who see's one side abuse their win and act egotistical about it and shove it in everyones face, see's that as negative and goes the other way. Then low and behold another election win and then the other side does the same when they get elected.
Participating in the war, is the equivalent of losing the war, in this instance. In the case of DSP, while DC I think I do echo some of your sentiments here. Yes, the act of visiting the President of a Country per invitation based on merit of achievements acknowledged is one hundred percent the sort of thing that should have nothing to do with politics, or the person in office. The comparison someone made in this thread to the handshake line is dead on.
But those things aren't sanctions that cannot be broken. If they are broken, it has to be with a reasonable enough explanation. Whether you think DSP is just reacting to bullshit fake news, or perceiving a racism that isn't there isn't the point here. The point is that DSP, and many other African folks feel that their country doesn't treat them correctly or acknowledge them. Do I agree with their entire viewpoint? No. But I do agree that if you feel you are being persecuted, that being persecuted is absolutely enough a reason to be allowed reasonable sanction to break the protocol and decorum of a Presidential visit. I don't have to think that they are being persecuted to agree that if they think they are, they have a right to politely not attend a meeting with the President.
To use the handshake line comparison, if a NHL player felt he was being persecuted by a member, or members of the other team and uses that as an argument to opt out of the handshake line. Will it bug me? Sure, i'll probably have an opinion on it. But I will not harshly judge the player refusing in that instance, because the player refusing in that instance believes they are doing it on reasonable grounds. Which is why seeing outrage over DSP's actions bugs me. As is the case with my example here, you don't have to agree that people are treating him badly to agree that if someone FEELS they are being treated unfairly or badly, that it is a worthy enough reason to opt out. Specifically when it relates to things of race, or gender. Even if the left is getting outrageous and playing boy who cried wolf on these issues, as mentioned they are still issues and people in those positions need to be allowed the freedoms that we preach that they are afforded.
That is the entire point of this to begin with. These people don't feel they have the same privileges as we do. The tim Thomas example is a perfect one, because he didn't receive much flack for choosing not to go. There was a minority of lefties who had some comments, and CBC had a talk about it as did other news media, granted that was at a time of less political strife. But still. That is even worse. So we have more political strife so people should be harassed for feeling persecuted? Hell Thomas wasn't even persecuted. He just hated Obama. Again though, I'm giving these people as individuals the right to say "this is too much for me for personal reasons." People are afforded that imo. If Thomas doesn't get harassed then neither should DSP, and if DSP is? That just proves the racism. Thomas doesn't get harassed for choosing not to go despite doing it just because he wasn't politically aligned. DSP actively believes he's dealing with a modern day racist (right or wrong) and that is the reason and he gets more harassment? Bullshit. That is bullshit, look yourself in the mirror and admit it. Just let it be. It's one person choosing not to go, it's not the end of the world.
Also for the record people getting uppity about pictures taken with Trump and family is exactly the type of bullshit overreaction that I'm talking about. People need to stop looking at "sides" when it comes to outrage and overreaction and start looking at the base. Overreaction and outrage as a default response mechanism is the problem. Doesn't matter what side is doing, or who does it more. It matters about us socially calling that out at all times, because it doesn't help the conversation, never has never will. The only time that type of response is even remotely warranted is in the extremist of situations.
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All this talk reminds me of the time that I was part of a sports team that went as a group and got to meet the president. No we hadn't won any championships or the like. We were merely in town to play a game and got a chance to tour the White House and a very brief handshake/photo op with the president. I couldn't stand the President at the time, but the thought never crossed my mind to not attend. It was an honor to be able to go and stand in the Rose Garden shake his hand and get a picture with him and the team. Sometimes it isn't about politics.
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Nobody is denying that other than the crazy left. None of which appears to be in any force on this board. That is the thing that really confuses me about the stance. People love to complain about snowflakes all over Twitter but get realistic. Those people are a minority, no different than the real racist nazi's are a minority. Generalizing an entire political viewpoint, which is barely that anyways, based on the rightful bullshit of the outrage culture caused by a group of extreme leftists is just hypocrisy.
Worse yet? You guys respond to outrage culture with outrage, and then wonder why those of us in the Center, who I will remind you make up the majority of most elections look at both sides and go "this shit is toxic, I want nothing to do with ANY of it." Stop making it a big deal. Extreme left idiots will protest anything, that makes THEM wrong. But just because people play the race, gender, and sexism cards too fast does not mean that there aren't those problems going in on facets of your Country, my Country, and other parts of the world. You guys treat it like the extremists cried wolf too many times, but realistically the rest of us aren't abusing that sentiment. We aren't crying wolf. We are analyzing the world and going "there is still areas to fix."
Also if you want to argue that the center don't make up the majority, just look at the pendulum of elections of most modern first world countries. It rarely goes "conservative conservative conservative conservative." Just like it rarely goes "liberal, liberal, liberal, liberal." More often than not the pendulum swings from one party to the other in terms of who is in power. Which tells you what? That both extreme sides that refuse to look the other way and act like outrageous dolts, are not the majority. The center, who see's one side abuse their win and act egotistical about it and shove it in everyones face, see's that as negative and goes the other way. Then low and behold another election win and then the other side does the same when they get elected.
Participating in the war, is the equivalent of losing the war, in this instance. In the case of DSP, while DC I think I do echo some of your sentiments here. Yes, the act of visiting the President of a Country per invitation based on merit of achievements acknowledged is one hundred percent the sort of thing that should have nothing to do with politics, or the person in office. The comparison someone made in this thread to the handshake line is dead on.
But those things aren't sanctions that cannot be broken. If they are broken, it has to be with a reasonable enough explanation. Whether you think DSP is just reacting to bullshit fake news, or perceiving a racism that isn't there isn't the point here. The point is that DSP, and many other African folks feel that their country doesn't treat them correctly or acknowledge them. Do I agree with their entire viewpoint? No. But I do agree that if you feel you are being persecuted, that being persecuted is absolutely enough a reason to be allowed reasonable sanction to break the protocol and decorum of a Presidential visit. I don't have to think that they are being persecuted to agree that if they think they are, they have a right to politely not attend a meeting with the President.
To use the handshake line comparison, if a NHL player felt he was being persecuted by a member, or members of the other team and uses that as an argument to opt out of the handshake line. Will it bug me? Sure, i'll probably have an opinion on it. But I will not harshly judge the player refusing in that instance, because the player refusing in that instance believes they are doing it on reasonable grounds. Which is why seeing outrage over DSP's actions bugs me. As is the case with my example here, you don't have to agree that people are treating him badly to agree that if someone FEELS they are being treated unfairly or badly, that it is a worthy enough reason to opt out. Specifically when it relates to things of race, or gender. Even if the left is getting outrageous and playing boy who cried wolf on these issues, as mentioned they are still issues and people in those positions need to be allowed the freedoms that we preach that they are afforded.
That is the entire point of this to begin with. These people don't feel they have the same privileges as we do. The tim Thomas example is a perfect one, because he didn't receive much flack for choosing not to go. There was a minority of lefties who had some comments, and CBC had a talk about it as did other news media, granted that was at a time of less political strife. But still. That is even worse. So we have more political strife so people should be harassed for feeling persecuted? Hell Thomas wasn't even persecuted. He just hated Obama. Again though, I'm giving these people as individuals the right to say "this is too much for me for personal reasons." People are afforded that imo. If Thomas doesn't get harassed then neither should DSP, and if DSP is? That just proves the racism. Thomas doesn't get harassed for choosing not to go despite doing it just because he wasn't politically aligned. DSP actively believes he's dealing with a modern day racist (right or wrong) and that is the reason and he gets more harassment? Bullshit. That is bullshit, look yourself in the mirror and admit it. Just let it be. It's one person choosing not to go, it's not the end of the world.
Also for the record people getting uppity about pictures taken with Trump and family is exactly the type of bullshit overreaction that I'm talking about. People need to stop looking at "sides" when it comes to outrage and overreaction and start looking at the base. Overreaction and outrage as a default response mechanism is the problem. Doesn't matter what side is doing, or who does it more. It matters about us socially calling that out at all times, because it doesn't help the conversation, never has never will. The only time that type of response is even remotely warranted is in the extremist of situations.
Too many words.
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I try to respect Trump but he is making it difficult. He hasn't been very kind to Canada and especially our Prime Minister.
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You guys do realize that this all started because Trump cancelled the Eagles visit.
With all due respect, that's not quite accurate; there is more to that story than 'Trump cancelled'.
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I have now lost all respect for DSP :poop: after reading this.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/devante-smith-pelly-president-trump-white-house-1.4695235 (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/devante-smith-pelly-president-trump-white-house-1.4695235)
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If Trotz doesn't make the ENTIRE team go to the White House GRACIOUSLY, without any political bullshit I then I'll lose ALL respect for the team and the NHL, and someone else can take over this forum.
I can't stand all this imagined incoherent bullshit, divisive nonsense. It's pure idiocy, and when you ask someone like DSP to give an example of why he makes these accusations you will NEVER get an articulate cogent reply.
This puts a damper on the experience of the Caps winning the cup. I refuse to watch the NFL for a second because of their bullshit disrespect for the flag and what it stands for. I really thought the NHL players had more class.
I'm pissed! Why are there so many people desperately trying to keep the "N" word alive?
Sigh. I was sooo hoping this issue would not rear its' ugly head. My reaction to the NFL is exactly the same--I cannot watch, largely because I believe players taking a knee are completely inappropriate (for several reasons too detailed for this forum). When I am forced to observe that on television or live at a game, it RUINS my experience of the event. I choose to avoid pro football now just like I choose to turn off the volume during a hockey game when NBC announcers cannot contain their biases--it ruins my experience of the event, and when you boil it down, without consumers/fans, none of these athletes would be able to practice their craft and live the lives they are living. Period.
I was sooo hoping as I began to discover hockey and watch games in the last few years, that the sport IS what I think I was observing on the surface: skilled, largely humble, hardworking men who hone their skills in a game that seems to stress respect for the game, for teammates, for fans (shaking hands at the end of a game, saluting fans with sticks at the end of a game, rules about how to handle the Cup, singing two national anthems, etc). Where do you see that degree of respect contained in another sport? I can't think of one. I don't see celebrities in hockey, I don't see narcissists in hockey, I don't see Hollywood in hockey. Beyond the players' amazing ability to race around on skates on ice and shoot a tiny puck into a net, I love this sport for those very reasons.
I also don't see national politics in hockey...and I am sooo hoping the hockey team and coaches handle this situation gracefully. It will darken my day if this team disrespects the office of the President of the US--whether Donald Trump, Barack Obama, or George Washington. I emphatically disagree with those of you who believe that a demonstration/protest/refusal is something other than a sign of disrespect, but will concede that this issue may be a discussion for a different forum.
Go CAPS!
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All this talk reminds me of the time that I was part of a sports team that went as a group and got to meet the president. I couldn't stand the President at the time, but the thought never crossed my mind to not attend.
Someone who gets it!! Ya didn't cut your nose off to spite your face.. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity!! :thumbsup:
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My concern for what you think is the lowest possible priority of my day. In addition, if you don't think that the left uses every opportunity to play the race, gender, sexism, islamaphobic or whatever other card they choose then you're a fool. The left LIVES for it.
I have to admit I was secretly applauding Thomas when he refused to go to the White House. I did not care for Obama and I can make a big story about my very honorable reasons to dislike Obama... Who cares? So DSP does not like Trump because of racism. Honestly, I would be surprised to meet a single person of his socio-cultural background(wink-wink) who wouldn't be bent out of shape over racism. And Trump.
I spent the last 2 years in an office where almost everybody hated Trump. So, you throw facts at them and they shut up and then they go back to square one next day. Like, this Jewish guy sitting across from me was concerned about anti-semitism because obviously Trump was a Hitler hell-bent on sending Jews to gas chambers. So I politely inquired if he was going to send his own grandchildren to a gas-chamber. Another female was upset about the way Trump was treating women. So I politely inquired how many women accused Trump of violently raping them using brute force (we will never forget you, Bubba, the first black President of this country). They shut up for half a day and next day is business as usual. People don't change, they have their pet peeves. I surely have mine and I fully endorse DSP's right to have his.
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Did you make a big deal when Tim Thomas refused to go in 2012? His reason was all political and he is an American.
Sorry I missed your post, I thought no one brought Thomas up. And yes, you are right, United States have been messing with Canada since 1812. I am not sure there is a single person on this board apart from you and me who is aware of trade disputes between two nations and you look at at each of those disputes under a microscope and sure as hell one big boy is throwing his weight around every time.
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Truly fun thread. Mr Moderator, keep it up. We need some entertainment before the next season starts. Thank you all who participated.
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For the record, DSP can do whatever he wants. He has that rignt. I'm not pissed at him personally. I'm just tired of the "hate Trump" bandwagon. Half the people that hate him don't even know why they do. They just go along with the crowd. I personally think he's a bit of a boob, but he does care about putting America first and telling the globalists to go piss up a rope and I'm all for that.
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For the record, DSP can do whatever he wants. He has that rignt. I'm not pissed at him personally. I'm just tired of the "hate Trump" bandwagon. Half the people that hate him don't even know why they do. They just go along with the crowd. I personally think he's a bit of a boob, but he does care about putting America first and telling the globalists to go piss up a rope and I'm all for that.
A similar thing would be said by those who oppose the President about those who support him.
And yes, if you listen, the people who dislike the President by and large know EXACTLY why they do.
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A similar thing would be said by those who oppose the President about those who support him.
And yes, if you listen, the people who dislike the President by and large know EXACTLY why they do.
They do? Maybe 50% do. All I ever hear from the millennial whiner is that he's "full of hate" and says mean things. Putting our country first and trying to stop illegals from pouring across the border is hate supposedly. Trying to deport illegal criminals is hate. Trying to stop liberal governers in sanctuary cities is hate. Give me a break.
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They do? Maybe 50% do. All I ever hear from the millennial whiner is that he's "full of hate" and says mean things. Putting our country first and trying to stop illegals from pouring across the border is hate supposedly. Trying to deport illegal criminals is hate. Trying to stop liberal governers in sanctuary cities is hate. Give me a break.
Then you haven't been listening to people who know something about governance. There are innumerable policy-related reasons why the man is not a good President. He has appointed people to his cabinet who are anything from completely ignorant of the departments they are tasked with leading to downright destructive of the departments they are leading. The worst appointment has been Betsy DeVos, who, if left to her own preferences, would ramp up support of private education and drive the final nails in the coffin of public education. You want to Make America Disintegrate (not again), just send public education down the tubes. He has championed a tax cut which is precisely the wrong policy in an environment of steady growth, because it leaves no wiggle room when the eventual inevitable economic downturn arrives. He has championed the cause of deteriorating industries, coal chief among them, when the proper policy is to let them run their course. IF gas supplies eventually dwindle and renewables can't pick up the slack, coal can come back on its own merits; otherwise, let it to its devices. He and his family are in the process of destroying the entire concept of conflict-of-interest avoidance in the Federal government, and as far as I am aware, the nepotism he has insisted upon has yet to bear any useful fruit. Have Ivanka, Jared, et. al. made ANY significant contribution to government policy whatsoever, other than pulling together questionable meetings with Russian representatives in which the BEST claim that can be made about them is that they discussed nothing relevant to anything? He has gone about dismantling the Affordable Care Act piece by piece while having absolutely no clue about what to install in its place (though he said in January 2017 he was putting the finishing touches on a great replacement program -- remember that? So where is the program?). He is in the process of dismantling our most productive international alliances over the past century while kowtowing to the leaders of our most problematic adversaries, because somehow in the space of a few hours he can figure out that they are sincerely willing to work with the U.S. in a way that is beneficial to our interests. Riiiiiiight. He has taken the initiative to start trade wars around the globe, which, beyond their immediate damage to our alliances, will eventually help produce the economic downturn I mentioned earlier.
Yes, I do not like the President because he is a crude, juvenile man who I would not want around my grandchildren, never mind being a role model for them.
But there is SO much more to it than that.
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Outside of "speculating" that he's gonna ruin our economy and education system, you basically said "he's mean!!" :rofl: :rofl:
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Outside of "speculating" that he's gonna ruin our economy and education system, you basically said "he's mean!!" :rofl: :rofl:
No I didn't. Undermining alliances is NOT just a matter of attitude, it's a matter of international diplomacy and support against foreign adversaries. The ruination of conflict of interest gets to the heart of graft and special-interest government -- it isn't a matter of attitude. Playing games with the health care system with no clue of an alternative approach isn't a matter of attitude, it's a matter of policy ignorance. Starting trade wars isn't a matter of attitude, it's a matter of how one deals with the reality of World markets. I stopped where I did because my post was too long as it was, but I could have gone on for awhile longer.
Really, it is Trump supporters that parrot the same old lines, not the detractors.
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You want to Make America Disintegrate (not again), just send public education down the tubes.
Makes me wonder how America came into existence without public education.
He has championed a tax cut which is precisely the wrong policy in an environment of steady growth, because it leaves no wiggle room when the eventual inevitable economic downturn arrives.
So did Bill Clinton... Wait, he was a democrat so I guess it was OK.
He has championed the cause of deteriorating industries, coal chief among them, when the proper policy is to let them run their course. IF gas supplies eventually dwindle and renewables can't pick up the slack, coal can come back on its own merits;
No it won't. Once the tradition breaks down good luck expecting millenials to become coal miners.
He and his family are in the process of destroying the entire concept of conflict-of-interest avoidance in the Federal government
Hey, you are willing to observe coal industry run its course, I am willing to observe nepotism run its course. Anyway, thank you for reminding us that there was no nepotism in American politics before Trump and that this is all his fault.
He has gone about dismantling the Affordable Care Act piece by piece while having absolutely no clue about what to install in its place
Thank you for reminding us that without Obama care America would have failed in 1776. Same goes true for public education.
Yes, I do not like the President
Thank you for spelling it out. We would have never figured it out.
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No I didn't.
Sure ya did.. And you have no idea how world diplomacy is going to play out.. We did get a good look at where the health care system was heading though.. I feel bad for those who can't afford it, I really do.. To the point where me and my family shouldn't be able to afford it either?? Hell no..
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It's ironic how many people who claims to favor freedom and personal liberty think that DSP should be forced to go to the White House.
You are spinning this way out of bounds. For one thing, DSP should have kept his mouth shut about the president and the White House. His dumb young ass hasn't a clue about anything but hockey and being an NHL player has nothing to do with politics. STFU is number one. Next point is they are a team; they should stick to the honor of their accomplishment in sports and go together as a team if invited to the White House.
DSP hasn't got the first clue about politics, so to the person that said that DSP did not make this comment to draw attention to himself, I call total bullshit. That's ALL this ever was for DSP, a selfish, ignorant comment that he thought might bring him some attention.
I am still waiting to hear one single reality based reason why Trump is not thus far a great president. It appears that Crosby is not the only one that pees sitting down. There are a whole lot more whiny, crying little bitches today than I ever could have imagined possible at the time the Caps team was formed. I do know this; at the time the Caps became a franchise, if any pro sports player disrespected the president in a similar fashion to what we are seeing today, that player would have been DESTROYED in the media regardless of the political affiliations.
It's about class, respect, and selflessness, something that progressive zombie snowflakes may never understand because they've been edumacated (sp!) to be rude and intolerant, and they've been stripped of the ability to have an independent thought. I have close relatives who are conservative and going to top universities, such as UC Berkeley and Princeton. They have found they had better keep their mouths shut or they will be persecuted by the intolerant violent leftist thugs. These are young kids just entering college and they told me there is so much pressure to tow the liberal line that they learned to simply STFU. It's all very sad. I know the reasons for this assault, but the explanation requires a fair number of books to fully explain -- because nearly everyone, right and left included, does not have the background knowledge required to step fully out of the "reality" bubble that IS their lives.
It boggles the mind how some people can be led to slaughter all the while arguing and fighting for their right to be slaughtered. That is exactly how I view the modern liberal millennial. To be a so-called liberal means you are either really dumbed down or are corrupt in some way, either by greed, blackmail, or having sold your soul to the devil. There is no other possible way they could exist. They are a dangerous threat to humanity and IMO conservatives have been far too tolerant for their own good. There comes a point when you have to realize the enemy for the threat that they are and take appropriate measures. Our own stupidity and tolerance maybe just as bad as the vile opposition. As I have said for some time, We are at WAR!! and these topics of discussion are the weapons, but not the cause. Again, for that we have to go much deeper.
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It doesnt matter what you say ArJ. People aren't going to change their opinion of Trump.
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Can we at least acknowledge that this was all started by the media ringing Pavlov's bell and bringing the issue up in the first place? DSP wasn't out there making an ass of himself like some other athletes and being disrespectful. He was asked the question and the media got their soundbite.
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Then you haven't been listening to people who know something about governance. There are innumerable policy-related reasons why the man is not a good President. He has appointed people to his cabinet who are anything from completely ignorant of the departments they are tasked with leading to downright destructive of the departments they are leading. The worst appointment has been Betsy DeVos, who, if left to her own preferences, would ramp up support of private education and drive the final nails in the coffin of public education. You want to Make America Disintegrate (not again), just send public education down the tubes. He has championed a tax cut which is precisely the wrong policy in an environment of steady growth, because it leaves no wiggle room when the eventual inevitable economic downturn arrives. He has championed the cause of deteriorating industries, coal chief among them, when the proper policy is to let them run their course. IF gas supplies eventually dwindle and renewables can't pick up the slack, coal can come back on its own merits; otherwise, let it to its devices. He and his family are in the process of destroying the entire concept of conflict-of-interest avoidance in the Federal government, and as far as I am aware, the nepotism he has insisted upon has yet to bear any useful fruit. Have Ivanka, Jared, et. al. made ANY significant contribution to government policy whatsoever, other than pulling together questionable meetings with Russian representatives in which the BEST claim that can be made about them is that they discussed nothing relevant to anything? He has gone about dismantling the Affordable Care Act piece by piece while having absolutely no clue about what to install in its place (though he said in January 2017 he was putting the finishing touches on a great replacement program -- remember that? So where is the program?). He is in the process of dismantling our most productive international alliances over the past century while kowtowing to the leaders of our most problematic adversaries, because somehow in the space of a few hours he can figure out that they are sincerely willing to work with the U.S. in a way that is beneficial to our interests. Riiiiiiight. He has taken the initiative to start trade wars around the globe, which, beyond their immediate damage to our alliances, will eventually help produce the economic downturn I mentioned earlier.
Yes, I do not like the President because he is a crude, juvenile man who I would not want around my grandchildren, never mind being a role model for them.
But there is SO much more to it than that.
Public education is already circling the bowl. It's an absolute mess. There is no constitutional standard for a Dept of Ed anyway. The whole thing should be abolished.
And he's turned the country from the course of becoming socialist.
As for everything else - time will tell. And I think many will have to eat their words... or just continue to spout lies and decry his crudeness.
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No I didn't. Undermining alliances is NOT just a matter of attitude, it's a matter of international diplomacy and support against foreign adversaries. The ruination of conflict of interest gets to the heart of graft and special-interest government -- it isn't a matter of attitude. Playing games with the health care system with no clue of an alternative approach isn't a matter of attitude, it's a matter of policy ignorance. Starting trade wars isn't a matter of attitude, it's a matter of how one deals with the reality of World markets. I stopped where I did because my post was too long as it was, but I could have gone on for awhile longer.
Really, it is Trump supporters that parrot the same old lines, not the detractors.
It's about time someone told the globalists to go pound sand. Games with the Healthcare system? I won't even tell you what Obozocare did to my company plan, but what does the left care anyway?
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It doesnt matter what you say ArJ. People aren't going to change their opinion of Trump.
No more than I'll ever change my opinion on Obama. Of course I did not like him based off policy, but was called a racist and told I didn't like him because he was black by leftists , becase you know. ......everything is racist or sexist today.
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Thank God that disheveled kook did not win. Everything is FREE FREE FREE!!!!!
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Thank God that disheveled kook did not win. Everything is FREE FREE FREE!!!!!
The Dema should have never let that nimrod out of the gate.
But back to the topic folks!!
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I lost all respect for Trump when he called Neo-Nazis "very fine people"
So to that effect, you must believe "everyone" who was at that march to save confederate statues was/is a Neo Nazi? Cause trust me, they may have been the organizers, but there were plenty of folks there who don't want to see the statues removed, who are definitely NOT Nazi's and are "very fine people"..
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The team should go and if it's too much for DSP to go, have lunch and get a few pics taken, he can stay home. The rest of the team should not suffer because of DSP. I loved what DSP did in the playoffs but this is the kind of stuff that takes the lustre off afterwards.
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The team should go and if it's too much for DSP to go, have lunch and get a few pics taken, he can stay home. The rest of the team should not suffer because of DSP. I loved what DSP did in the playoffs but this is the kind of stuff that takes the lustre off afterwards.
I think if DSPs feelings are that strong about it then he should stand by his decision. He shouldn't go because of what other people think. After all it is a free country, isn't it.
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I think if DSPs feelings are that strong about it then he should stand by his decision. He shouldn't go because of what other people think. After all it is a free country, isn't it.
Yea, like I said, he can stay home if he wants to. I'd just hate to see the rest miss out because of him.
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I think if DSPs feelings are that strong about it then he should stand by his decision. He shouldn't go because of what other people think. After all it is a free country, isn't it.
Well the Secret Service, Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, INS, NCIS, FCC etc certainly isn’t going to kick his door in and artest him for treason. So yes, it his choice to go or not.
But his the choice he’s making that we are unhappy about. While we do have gaurenteed freedoms, freedom from repercussions and criticism is not one of them.
Much like the “kneeling” in The NFL, this is simply not the time or place to make a statement, particularly when that may draw the entire spotlight on it.
I doubt many Canadians would be equally unhappy if a US player didn’t go meet Trudeau on the basis of Bill C16, his open boarder policy, the ludicrous Carbon Tax, or his disastrous trip to India amoung other things.
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Thank God that disheveled kook did not win. Everything is FREE FREE FREE!!!!!
I would have voted for him. It's only four years and possibly less depending on the temperature of Congress. Both parties need to see what real socialism is. The Democratic party claims to be socialist but they are more of an oligarchy. He would have been opposed by both parties in total.
The stock market probably wouldn't have handled Bernie well. That's the real downside.
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Odd how all these people that hate Trump actually liked the guy before running for president as a republican.
This hardly scratches the surface, but clearly establishes the liberal DNC run press has no problem printing out right lies about Trump...
https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/06/10/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/
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Odd how all these people that hate Trump actually liked the guy before running for president as a republican
Except for you know, that not being remotely true? Like you guys do realize there is a thing called a center right? You know, those who have voted for candidates for both sides at different times depending on actual policy and how people have handled things? I know that is like...counter to your generalized nonsensical bubble that you live in. But it's true.
Millions of people thought Trump was a dumb reality TV star when he was a dumb reality TV star. I thought he was goofy and dumb taking Stone Cold Stunners at Wrestlemania in a hair vs hair match. Like you just can't fathom that some of the issues people have with Trump have nothing to do with his political affiliation? Everyone, according to your words, EVERYONE who has any issues with him at all on any grounds must be "playing for the other team."
Like can people literally be this blind? Yes, the news media is garbage and has been for years. That isn't a shocker to a lot of us. Just because you have an ignorant left doesn't mean you get to generalize no more than those who generalize the right for being nazi's when they aren't. Stop playing the blur the lines game and start uniting with your actual countrymen (none of which is me by the by) and maybe you'll see less god damn travesties.
Then again it seems like your type WANTS another civil war. So when your kids are in the ground buried because you let politicians (of both sides) manipulate the narrative and force division down your throats don't come crying to us other countries. I swear nothing but a country filled with egotistical ignorance on every side you can count, and then they wonder why they can't help obesity, or depression, or school shootings.
You guys deserve it. START ACTING LIKE ADULTS FOR A CHANGE AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COUNTRY YOU LIVE IN!
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Except for you know, that not being remotely true? Like you guys do realize there is a thing called a center right? You know, those who have voted for candidates for both sides at different times depending on actual policy and how people have handled things? I know that is like...counter to your generalized nonsensical bubble that you live in. But it's true.
Millions of people thought Trump was a dumb reality TV star when he was a dumb reality TV star. I thought he was goofy and dumb taking Stone Cold Stunners at Wrestlemania in a hair vs hair match. Like you just can't fathom that some of the issues people have with Trump have nothing to do with his political affiliation? Everyone, according to your words, EVERYONE who has any issues with him at all on any grounds must be "playing for the other team."
I especially love it when people refer to what other people did 20-30 years ago. He was a rich playboy, and played the role well. I don't fault him for it, but those that do come off sounding jealous.
Like can people literally be this blind? Yes, the news media is garbage and has been for years. That isn't a shocker to a lot of us. Just because you have an ignorant left doesn't mean you get to generalize no more than those who generalize the right for being nazi's when they aren't. Stop playing the blur the lines game and start uniting with your actual countrymen (none of which is me by the by) and maybe you'll see less god damn travesties.
Yes, people can be this blind, it seems to especially prevalent with liberals.
Then again it seems like your type WANTS another civil war. So when your kids are in the ground buried because you let politicians (of both sides) manipulate the narrative and force division down your throats don't come crying to us other countries. I swear nothing but a country filled with egotistical ignorance on every side you can count, and then they wonder why they can't help obesity, or depression, or school shootings.
Talk about a myopic view of the world and knowing nothing of the rest of the world, or the history there of. But when all you believe comes from the echochamber that is %95 of the media why am I surprised.
You guys deserve it. START ACTING LIKE ADULTS FOR A CHANGE AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COUNTRY YOU LIVE IN!
Let me guess, you get all your news from CNN and MSNBC with a little mother jones on the side.
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Let me guess, you get all your news from CNN and MSNBC with a little mother jones on the side.
No.
I say as much in other parts of this thread. I don't "get" my news from any one source. I'll look at articles from 8 or 9 different news sources, verify with fact checking, it's a whole process that I was doing long before you decided to even use the internet. Because even back in 2004 me and most people I knew realized "oh we totally can't trust the news media because they are just looking for coverage, not truth." You guys are under this explicit impression that it's just this "extreme" aspect of the right that discovered "fake news." Like it wasn't even a concept before you saw it.
Again, egotistical to a fault. But it's okay, tear up my totally reasonable response with an attack. That is all that will continue happen and the pendulum of it'll go left then it'll go right then it'll go left then it'll go right will continue. While your poverty and crime rate rise. While your death and racism and sexim issues rise. While your entire country falls to wayside.
You'll still be there. Talking conspiracies based on minorities, arguing with the extreme left over bullshit things that they do and pretending that they represent the majority. Nothing changes. Sheep is all you are. Not because you vote fucking republician either. TONS of sheep voted Hilary too, ANOTHER FRAUD. And now here you go with the "oh my god he thinks BOTH Trump and Hilary are frauds? But how?!" Don't worry though I'm sure your just now thinking of finding some way to make me out to be a bleeding heart liberal. God forbid you stop treating actual conversations about nuanced complicated issues as an opportunity to just (as both Hilary AND Trump would btw) over simplify any issue to the "two sides" argument and then claim the other side is being disingenuous, fake, and generalizes an entire audience based on the lightest of facts at best. Which...is...exactly what you also continue to do. So....
But it's fine I get it. I'm not wanted here, my opinion doesn't line up as "pro Trump" so apparently that means I HAVE TO BE A LIBERAL. *laughs*
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Also, what are you even defending the Reality TV comment for? I could list tons of other reality tv shows/actors I think are dumb. Your statement was "people only hate Trump because he's a right winger." Which is patently, fucking, false.
I dislike fake reality TV show hosts. That doesn't mean I think they should die, get cancelled or shut down. It's well within my rights as a consumer to go "I think X show is dumb." Which is entirely what Trump was before becoming President. A corporate, TV reality star. He was a business man as well, but much of all of his work was about branding. Just like a lot of reailty TV stars. Kardashian has her own clothing line, as does Snooki. Are you going to jump to defend them because I have a private opinion that their reality tv show isn't for me?
Again you try to defend that you are't in some always left vs right bubble but I can't even comment on a persons reality tv program without you jumping to find some defense that isn't needed. Some people liked Trumps show, some didn't. And? Like that conversation basically ends there. The fact that you jump to defend continues to prove this "I have to defend against everyone who says anything at all about MY President." Why? What for? I'm not the one chastising you for supporting him, you notice that right? Your the one chastising me for even have an opinion that isn't remotely like yours, much less your then boiler plate responding to criticisms that aren't even criticism that completely counter your argument that the only people who dislike Trump are "lefties."
When realistically with 8 billion people on the planet you have to know that your being hyperbolic. But you don't care, because you apparently need every single opportunity to remind me that your a Trump supporter and that if we aren't we are wrong. Even though you know, I never once told you were wrong for supporting who your free to support. Only that playing the constant left vs right games is pointless. And don't pretend they aren't left vs right games, it is entirely what they are, tell yourself whatever you want your entire political system is a two sided coin of manipulation meant to suck the money out only to the top. Kings and Queens were at least blunt about screwing people over. But again, sheep, EVERYWHERE, voting all sides and arguing every issues. Protesting environmental causes and working hard jobs. Tons of good hearted people too, but still sheep. And before you go "well yours isn't better" and miss the entire point, I'm not saying mine is better. I'm asking you, as an individual to show any sense of self reflection and realize you just like the lefties you hate are being played.
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Some pretty harsh statements. You won't get an argument from me. You guys sure take your politics serious in the US. Too serious. You guys get so wound up if someone has a different opinion than you.
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Some pretty harsh statements. You won't get an argument from me. You guys sure take your politics serious in the US. Too serious. You guys get so wound up if someone has a different opinion than you.
This coming from the guy(I think) that gets upset when everyone else doesn't agree with his opinions
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No.
I say as much in other parts of this thread. I don't "get" my news from any one source. I'll look at articles from 8 or 9 different news sources, verify with fact checking, it's a whole process that I was doing long before you decided to even use the internet. Because even back in 2004 me and most people I knew realized "oh we totally can't trust the news media because they are just looking for coverage, not truth." You guys are under this explicit impression that it's just this "extreme" aspect of the right that discovered "fake news." Like it wasn't even a concept before you saw it.
Again, egotistical to a fault. But it's okay, tear up my totally reasonable response with an attack. That is all that will continue happen and the pendulum of it'll go left then it'll go right then it'll go left then it'll go right will continue. While your poverty and crime rate rise. While your death and racism and sexim issues rise. While your entire country falls to wayside.
You'll still be there. Talking conspiracies based on minorities, arguing with the extreme left over bullshit things that they do and pretending that they represent the majority. Nothing changes. Sheep is all you are. Not because you vote fucking republician either. TONS of sheep voted Hilary too, ANOTHER FRAUD. And now here you go with the "oh my god he thinks BOTH Trump and Hilary are frauds? But how?!" Don't worry though I'm sure your just now thinking of finding some way to make me out to be a bleeding heart liberal. God forbid you stop treating actual conversations about nuanced complicated issues as an opportunity to just (as both Hilary AND Trump would btw) over simplify any issue to the "two sides" argument and then claim the other side is being disingenuous, fake, and generalizes an entire audience based on the lightest of facts at best. Which...is...exactly what you also continue to do. So....
But it's fine I get it. I'm not wanted here, my opinion doesn't line up as "pro Trump" so apparently that means I HAVE TO BE A LIBERAL. *laughs*
You tell us we want a war. We don't know what we are talking about. We don't see the big picture. We are the problem. But I attacked you. Right.
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You tell us we want a war. We don't know what we are talking about. We don't see the big picture. We are the problem. But I attacked you. Right.
How is me claiming you don't see the big picture an attack? I never claimed you were dumb, ignorant, racist, or any of the latter. You live in one of the most, if not the most socially divided modern country on the planet. Yes I'm aware other countries face similar issues, but the magnification of it in your Country, on lots of fronts, not even just the ones "SJW" identify with, there are tons you would also identify with. Immigration, culture, guns, the list goes on.
That division is being peddled like propaganda from every source. You acknowledge it coming from the biased liberal media, but not your own sources. Propaganda is propaganda, plain and simple. That does not mean there isn't truth to be found inside of some of it. There often always is.
But responding to any differing opinion as "obviously a bleeding heart liberal" is the same type of alienating generalizing that the assholes on the left do in regards to plenty of things. So trying to put yourself on a higher standard is in my opinion hypocritical. I still do not see how pointing that out, somehow constitutes as an attack on you or anyone else here. Again, your not looking for any sense of discourse. Admit it. You have two modes. It's either talk politics and agree with you, or talk politics and your the enemy. Pardon me if some of us are sick and tired of that toxicity, from both god damn sides, and I don't feel obligated to have to apologize for it, because if you can't see that your being just as toxic as those you criticize then your a lost cause anyways.
It'll be very easy for me to ignore this thread following this. I'm here to talk to and enjoy time with Caps fans.
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"I'm here to talk to and enjoy time with Caps fans."
which is why I moved this topic to this side,
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Thanks for moving it out. Actually it was a quite interesting thread, it is just better be here. On the immigration issue Canada is lucky to have a buffer zone, so they can criticize, in fact they have more Trump's model dealing with it, just without wall which they don't need.
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This coming from the guy(I think) that gets upset when everyone else doesn't agree with his opinions
I don't get upset about people disagreeing with my opinion at all. Not even yours. But in all honesty I don't think you are a very nice guy. I've tried to bury the hatchet with you and you just keep jumping all over no matter what the topic is. You obviously have some anger issues.
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I don't get upset about people disagreeing with my opinion at all. Not even yours. But in all honesty I don't think you are a very nice guy. I've tried to bury the hatchet with you and you just keep jumping all over no matter what the topic is. You obviously have some anger issues.
Yup, I have anger issues. It usually comes up when someone intentionally pushes my buttons while ignoring the bs and insults they threw out first while claiming they are being targeted for no reason. You are lucky Caps Management deleted a bunch of GDTs on the old board or I could quote you directly, given you have no memory of what you wrote, but by all means keep playing victim.
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Yup, I have anger issues. It usually comes up when someone intentionally pushes my buttons while ignoring the bs and insults they threw out first while claiming they are being targeted for no reason. You are lucky Caps Management deleted a bunch of GDTs on the old board or I could quote you directly, given you have no memory of what you wrote, but by all means keep playing victim.
I've never attacked you but you on the other have attacker several people. And no I don't forget things. I remember when I first joined this site seeing you and a couple of other people viciously attacking a couple other people. I think they were Leafs fans but they weren't causing any problems. You attacked them anyway. I thought to myself, what am I getting myself into? I stuck around because I am a Caps fan and I enjoy talking hockey with other Caps. Of course not everyone ius going to agree on everything and people are going to butt heads. Its human nature. There are a lot of knowledgeable hockey fans here and I'm including you.
I'm trying to bury the hatchet with you. If you don't wish to that's fine. Its your choice. But don't railroad every post I make. If you wish to continue to act this way, so be it.
Not normal behavior for a moderator of a forum.
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I've never attacked you but you on the other have attacker several people. And no I don't forget things. I remember when I first joined this site seeing you and a couple of other people viciously attacking a couple other people. I think they were Leafs fans but they weren't causing any problems. You attacked them anyway. I thought to myself, what am I getting myself into? I stuck around because I am a Caps fan and I enjoy talking hockey with other Caps. Of course not everyone ius going to agree on everything and people are going to butt heads. Its human nature. There are a lot of knowledgeable hockey fans here and I'm including you.
I'm trying to bury the hatchet with you. If you don't wish to that's fine. Its your choice. But don't railroad every post I make. If you wish to continue to act this way, so be it.
Not normal behavior for a moderator of a forum.
Wow, you have a severely short memory. Until now, I haven't and don't pick on you. You are more than welcome to go find where I have and quote me on it, as I've already asked you to do. Kind of funny how you haven't done that. My responses to you have been because you jumped on my case about Carlson. I'm not the only one with the same opinion of Carlson yet you seem to only jump on my case about it, and you obviously haven't noticed that I've been intentionally ignoring you even when you quote me with a question. Yea, that's me being antagonistic. You are also more than welcome to go find where I attacked someone without being instigated. This is another case of your one sided memory. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that one. When you joined us at the old site your very first post was jumping on me for picking Holtby in the GWG poll, ignoring the post where I said it was in jest and being done because they were winning when I did, in an attempt to make me look like an idiot. Very shortly after you said I had been "pounding him into the sand" in reference to Carlsons play. I asked you to quote me on that one. Why was I not shocked when you couldn't. From the beginning you've been the antagonistic one. You've been continuously talked to about the way you interact with everyone. I've had no such talks. Some would call that a clue, but you obviously haven't got one. You have had from the very beginning a very one sided memory of who said what, and who fiends offense from such. Yet you are the one that is tired of the BS? You should pull your head out of your asshole before you suffocate.
These are the actions of someone who is tired of another other persons bullshit.
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You just can't help yourself can you. Read what I fucking said. I never said that you attacked me. But I did say that you railroad every post I make and I asked you not to. But you railroaded that post too. Most of your posts in response to me is nothing but flaming. Those are Tos violations. Yet nothing is done about. Why am I not surprised.
Like I said I am willing to bury the hatchet but it is apparently you have no interest in that. That is your choice. If that is the case I don't want anything tondo with you.
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You just can't help yourself can you. Read what I fucking said. I never said that you attacked me. But I did say that you railroad every post I make and I asked you not to. But you railroaded that post too. Most of your posts in response to me is nothing but flaming. Those are Tos violations. Yet nothing is done about. Why am I not surprised.
Like I said I am willing to bury the hatchet but it is apparently you have no interest in that. That is your choice. If that is the case I don't want anything tondo with you.
You guys just need to ignore each other! For some reason you are just not compatible.