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Title: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 11:21:52 AM Eastern
March 19 vs Wild at Xcel Energy Center
Time: 2:00
TV: NBCSW
Radio: 106.7 FM

Washington Capitals 33-30-7
PP% 20.8(19th)  PK% 82.8 (5th)  Faceoff% 50(17th)
Minnesota Wild 39-22-8
PP% 22.6(10th)  PK% 80.8(12th)  Faceoff% 47.6(26th)

Caps anticipated lines:
Ovechkin(C) 8 - Strome 17 - Sheary 73
Oshie 77 - Kuznetsov 92 - Wilson 43
Milano 15 - Backstrom 19 - Smith 16
Protas 59 - Dowd 26 - Aubé-Kubel 96

Sandin 38 - van Riemsdyk 57
Alexeyev 27 - Fehervary 42
Irwin 52 - Carlsson 18

Lindgren 79

PP1: Ovechkin, Oshie, Strome, Backstrom, Sandin
PP2: Wilson, Kuznetsov, Smith, Sheary, van Riemsdyk

scratched:
Fucale 60 - backup
Mantha 39
Jensen 3 - upper body - day to day
Kuemper 35 - upper body - day to day

IR/LTIR:
Brown 28 - knee
Hagelin 62 - hip
Carlson 74 - face/head

Wild anticipated lines:
Steel 13 - Hartman 38 - Zuccarello 36
Johansson 90 - Eriksson Ek 14 - Boldy 12
Duhaime 21 - Gaudreau 89 - Sundqvist 70
Shaw 15 - Dewar 26 - Reaves 75

Middleton 5 - Spurgeon 46
Brodin 25 - Dumba 24
Goligoski 33 - Klingsberg 3

Fleury 29

todays zebras:
Kyle Rehman 10, Kevin Pollock 33
Scott Cherrey 50, Ben O’Quinn 91

https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/caps-spend-sunday-in-st-paul/c-342406828 (https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/caps-spend-sunday-in-st-paul/c-342406828)

scoring summary
1st period:
Boldy from Johansson and Gaudreau at :50
Boldy from Johansson and Eriksson Ek at 4:36
2nd period:
Ovechkin(38) PPG from Sandin(26) at 5:35
Reeves from Hartman and Shaw at 10:14
3rd period:
Duhaime from Sundqvist at 3:46
Ovechkin(39) PPG from Strome(35) at 12:33
Boldy unassisted at 13:59
Strome(17) from Wilson(5) and Ovechkin(29) at 16:26

Caps lose 5-3
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday March 19, 2023, 12:59:10 PM Eastern
Good grief, it's almost time for these dopes to play again? I've not got the bad taste outta my mouth from Friday yet.  :raspberry:  Read that Ovi and Jensen didn't practice yesterday and Kemper left with an UBI. Oh the joy..  :wackysmile:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: BlackIce on Sunday March 19, 2023, 01:24:25 PM Eastern
Good grief, it's almost time for these dopes to play again? I've not got the bad taste outta my mouth from Friday yet.  :raspberry:  Read that Ovi and Jensen didn't practice yesterday and Kemper left with an UBI. Oh the joy..  :wackysmile:




Perhaps the single most surprising stat about this year's team is that they have fought their way to a 50% face-off percentage as a team.  Thy have been a terrible face-off team the past few years, and there hasn't been a personnel turnover to suggest that they would be that much better this season.
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 01:37:01 PM Eastern
I didn’t look at team stats from Friday, but they must won over %90 of the faceoffs for the percentage to go up like that this late in the season.


Word is OV is in, Mantha is a scratch again
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 02:10:34 PM Eastern
 :raised-eyebrow:

 :clown: :poop:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 02:16:36 PM Eastern
 :clown: :clown:

 :poop: :O=
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 02:25:40 PM Eastern
should’ve been boarding on Steel
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 02:43:42 PM Eastern
Whoops, late again.
Evenin' all.    :wackysmile:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 02:54:10 PM Eastern
I think it's very chivalrous of our guys to wait tilll I turned up before they get going.........    :snicker:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday March 19, 2023, 03:00:17 PM Eastern
Only gave up 2 in the 1st period!  :)  It's getting kinda disturbing how bad we are.. No way they extend Lavi. (from Alta's post last game) I mean, what would be the point? His contract is up, brings absolutely nothing. It'd be like resigning Mantha for 5.7m or something.. (so they'll probably do it) lol


But they stink man. Vets like Ovi and Oshi, Kuzy doing dumb shit that leads to odd mans. Our forward lines are healthy yet couldn't create dough with salt, flour and water. It's, not good. They really need to bury Ovi, Nicky and Oshie on a line and just double shift everyone else until there's a PP. It's unfortunate we have YEARS of this shit to watch before it'll get better.  :sick:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 03:13:08 PM Eastern
PP GOOOAAALLLL

OVECHKIN
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 03:15:01 PM Eastern
oh joy.  A PP     :-|
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 03:16:55 PM Eastern
BIG BOY SIGHTING!
 :B:

 :banana:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 03:21:53 PM Eastern
 :O= :O= :O=

 :clown: :poop:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday March 19, 2023, 03:30:13 PM Eastern
Meh, Ovi scored. All that matters. 
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 03:47:47 PM Eastern
Don't give up just yet.  We've been better at away games.
But yeah, Ovi scored, so..... ;)
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:08:48 PM Eastern
Oooooffff!
Deliberate head shot?
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:10:21 PM Eastern
and the NHL can’t figure out way no one thinks the officiating is fair
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:10:40 PM Eastern
 8-0 Wild get the PP after that?
 :bs: :bs: :bs:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:13:48 PM Eastern
REFS YOU SUCK.    :raspberry:
Just noticed, it's Kevin Bollocks.  I am no longer surprised.
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:26:29 PM Eastern
Some proper Keystone Cops going on.    :lmao:   Talk about playing to lose.
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:30:17 PM Eastern
PP GOOOAAALLLL

OVECHKIN
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:31:17 PM Eastern
it kinda looks like this game could get very ugly and I blame the shit show that has been officiating today
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:32:10 PM Eastern
 :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop:

 :clown: :O=
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:33:11 PM Eastern
YEAH BABY!
 :wow:
 :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:35:18 PM Eastern
Ho hum.
Don't care.  Ovi scored twice, so I'm good.    ;)
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:42:48 PM Eastern
GOOOAAALLLL

STROME
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:44:09 PM Eastern
 8-0    I can't believe they actually gave that!    :lmao:   Bollocks must have been over ruled.

 :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:49:13 PM Eastern
a misconduct on Willy  ::)
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:52:00 PM Eastern
Don't suppose we could afford that Reaves fella, huh?
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Surreylily on Sunday March 19, 2023, 04:54:33 PM Eastern
a misconduct on Willy  ::)

Course there is.
Nothing for the cheap shot artist who targetted Kuzys head.  Course not.    ::)
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Mickstix on Sunday March 19, 2023, 07:04:08 PM Eastern
Ovi scored twice, win win!! And another lopsided drubbing.. Probably not a coincidence that we only start looking decent once the other team has multi goal leads. During the competitive portions of the game we get outmatched every time. Maybe they can get up for the big home game vs the Jackets!  :snicker:
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: BlackIce on Monday March 20, 2023, 07:31:29 AM Eastern
Caps just ahead of the Sabres/Sens/Wings, all of them with games in hand.  But they are all playing as bad or worse than we are, so it is really a tossup whether we pick 10th, 11th, 12th, or 13th.  Everyone else is either far enough ahead or far enough behind us that we can't pass or sink below them.
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: Mickstix on Monday March 20, 2023, 09:26:45 AM Eastern
Caps just ahead of the Sabres/Sens/Wings, all of them with games in hand.  But they are all playing as bad or worse than we are, so it is really a tossup whether we pick 10th, 11th, 12th, or 13th.  Everyone else is either far enough ahead or far enough behind us that we can't pass or sink below them.


How many teams get in on the "lottery"?
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: richkrt99 on Monday March 20, 2023, 12:26:40 PM Eastern
Oof...didn't watch till late and already knew the outcome so I spent about 30 minutes FFWD through this one.

Hit on Irwin should have been a boarding call - 2 minutes.

Hit on Kuzy....is tough.  He was definitely in a vulnerable position, but the MAIN point of contact was not the head.  A split second earlier and it's interference.    He head definitely whiplashed.  Not sure how Kuzy hurt his wrist on this hit.  I expect this hit will get at least looked at.  It did start with at least the shoulder, but it do come through and make some head contact.  The shitty part is, this is nearly identical to the preseason hit that landed Willy a 20-25 game suspension, and there is no consistency with the calls.  The refs did nearly let this game get out of control.  I expect that's why they hit Oshie with a misconduct and instigating...trying to calm the seas.


Not surprised the Caps lost this one.  The Wild have been on a tear the last 10 games or so....ramping up for the playoffs, like you need to....not limping along hoping everyone else helps you get in so you can get destroyed in the first round.


I hate the concept of playing to lose, but it would be better for the draft/future.  I don't think the Caps will actually make the playoffs, but I can fathom them beating Boston in the first round if they did.  I don't have any fantasies the Caps can make a deep run this year so what's the advantage of them making it this year? Other than a couple extra games of entertainment, ending in failure and frustration.


Lavi...I am curious as to what the ownership/management plans are regarding coaching.  I don't dislike Lavi, but I think this team needs to fire everyone on the bench and start fresh.  This team NEEDS to go in a new direction, but is Lavi the guy to take it there?

Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: alta on Monday March 20, 2023, 12:37:34 PM Eastern
I look at Dumba’s hit on Kuzy like this.. if Wilson made that exact same hit and the rest of the league lost their shit over it, it was a bad hit. And we all know damn well what would’ve happened if Wilson made that exact hit.
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: BlackIce on Monday March 20, 2023, 09:56:01 PM Eastern
Rich, I don't believe that this franchise has anything resembling "a concept of playing to lose."  I think they are doing what they can, and given their age, injury situation, and the players they are asking more of right now, "what they can" is not good enough to win on a lot of nights.  But they are still winning about half the time, and it may be good - or bad - enough to keep them ahead of the teams close behind them, who are playing crappy at this point.


My understanding of the draft lottery is that all non-playoff teams are in the lottery, and every team in the lottery has a chance to move up in the draft order (except for the worst team, who cannot improve their "natural" draft standing, but can only move down).  However, I think there is a constraint built into the lottery now that a team cannot move up more than 10 places in the order -- so the team with the 14th worst record, for example, cannot move up higher than the 4th pick.  IF I am right, that is why finishing with the 10th or 11th worst record is at least moderately important.  Beyond the natural benefit of having earlier draft choices whatever the results of the lottery, finishing no worse than 11 means there is a chance - very small for sure, but it IS there - of winning the lottery AND moving up to the number one slot.  Because the consensus #1 pick this summer, Bedard, is supposed to be the most dynamic forward since McDavid. 
Title: Re: GDT #71 Caps at Wild @ 2pm
Post by: richkrt99 on Tuesday March 21, 2023, 10:40:45 AM Eastern
Yeah, I didn't mean "playing to lose" as an organizational concept or as what our team mentality currently is, but more as a personal-player mentality.  Even with no hope of playoffs, as a player, I would have a hard time going out and not competing at my best - so that we can get better next year...even though in reality it would be better for the team in the long run.  As a player, I'm just not sure you can make that happen - especially with professional athletes who have strived their entire lives for success and to reach this level have the most competitive nature as it was the only way they could get to this level, even with some God-given talent.  Some of these guys (including coaches) are fighting for jobs or better contracts (or new teams) next year, so I'm not sure how you make losses happen.


I would like to see more young guys get a shot as the season winds down so you can evaluate them for next year, and to just get them some real NHL playing time. I am sure the NHL frowns upon putting a sub-par team on the ice - even for evaluating talent.


I'm not arguing the concept and the NEED for better draft pics, but how do you intentionally lose games to make it happen?