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Talk about Capitals hockey & more! => Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion => Topic started by: zerofox on Wednesday January 23, 2019, 10:30:18 PM Eastern
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This team is, for all intents and purposes, pretty much the same as the team that had won the Stanley fucking Cup last year. Except now we are being run into the ground by a coaching staff that has no fucking clue what they're doing. We've taken a strong team on paper and destroyed them. If you take away our winning streaks in November/December (which were largely thanks to Ovi's dominance and Wilson too, which we can't reasonably expect them to replicate to that extent), then our record is even worse.
This is a coach who is clearly retarded and has no clue how to get a team going. He is an elementary school kid in a world of PhD level coaches. Other coaches are playing chess, and Reirden isn't even playing checkers! He's playing Go Fish with half a deck of cards. He's outclassed. I don't even blame our players, because quite frankly a good coach could take a team and have them exceed what their "expected" capabilities are (see: VGK, see: NYI). A good coach would call out players like Kuzy for their retardedness and force them to fix the issue or get benched.
Reirden is driving our team into the ground. Not only that, but he's wasting another magical season by the best goal scorer in NHL history. Fuck Gretzky, fuck Lemieux, fuck Howe, fuck Hull, fuck Bossy. Ovechkin is king over all of them. And his epic age-33 season is being wasted by a garbage coach who will honestly probably lead the Capitals right out of the playoffs at this rate.
I think we would be GENEROUS to give the Caps 10 games coming out of the all-star break to get back on track with a 60-70% win percentage before pulling the trigger on firing Reirden, which I think is a very reasonable ask. If we haven't achieved that by then, we're pretty much on the outside looking in from a playoffs perspective, and with 20 games to go I'd rather roll the dice on another coach and get them to build some chemistry with the team using the remaining 20 games of the season so we can be in a good spot next year. I'd rather not give Reirden the final 20 games to stumble his way through to an early Capitals tee team and a long summer for us fans.
I wish Reirden would read this, and I'm sure that even if he did, he'd probably say something like "who is this dumb ass ZeroFox guy? He's clearly some dumb fan trying to be armchair coach who doesn't know hockey like I do and doesn't care about the team like I do." Well fuck face, I'm the one asking for your dumb ass to get fired because you're fucking up the team I love, meanwhile you are doing jack shit to fix a near historical losing streak for a defending Stanley Cup champion team, so who's more passionate about the team?
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\yup.
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Also, bring back "The Goalie Whisperer" and Dale Hunter. Even as a consultant.
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Also, bring back "The Goalie Whisperer" and Dale Hunter. Even as a consultant.
Hunsty won't come back, he didn't really want to coach here for a year. He's enjoying coaching the team he's a part owner of and doing it quite well too. The London Knights of the OHL.
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To add to the stupidity, GMBM is apparently looking to trade for another foreward. It's pretty damn obvious, and has been since June, that this team needs to add to the D corps.
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To add to the stupidity, GMBM is apparently looking to trade for another foreward. It's pretty damn obvious, and has been since June, that this team needs to add to the D corps.
Agreed. Our forward corps is a rotating door of "who the fuck sits this game out" because we have too many forwards, while our defense is basically an episode of To Catch a Predator - a few old guys and a bunch of fucking kids.
Ovi, Backy, Kuzy (when he's not retarded), Wilson, Vrana, and Oshie to me are set as the top 6. Eller and Connolly help form the core of the 3rd line. I trust guys like Stephenson, Boyd, Jaskin, Dowd enough to have them fill in the rest of the forward group. Those are our 12 guys and we haven't even gotten to DSP yet, luckily. But at least we have people who weren't born yesterday.
Meanwhile, Carlson, Niskanen, Orlov, and Kempny (which, say what you will about their play, they're our best defenders). Then after that it goes downhill rapidly. You have Orpik, spokesman of the AARP, and fucking children like Seigenthaler, Bowey. One of our big guys on D goes down and you're getting pretty close to legitimately finding a homeless guy off the streets to play 6D
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ok let’s tap the breaks here . . . Reidon isn’t getting fired yet.
Right now he’s doing what Monumental expects him to do: making sure Ovie leads the league in goals and closes in on 800. Then ride “have a chance in the playoffs”, because they won once, . . .once, each year.
Do you really think Ted cares about a loss as long Ovie gets a hat trick?
Monumentals goal is to open the new arena with a statue of Ovie saying 800 goal-scorer out front, not winning games in January or even Cups.
This is why they let Trotz walk and hired Reidon
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Coaching....Okay, I'm not one to complain about coaching, but Reirdon is not getting it done. His fault or not, it's his responsibility. Yes, he deserves to be fired...well actually he probably didn't deserve to be hire - well maybe he deserved it but he likely wasn't worthy of it.
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PLEASE stop telling me how great Trotz is NOW. Most of these boards were screaming to fire him two failed seasons before he left. Most of these boards wanted to fire him at this point LAST SEASON. There is no way in hell he deserved an extension at THIS POINT LAST SEASON which is when it would have had to get done. It was WAY too late for both sides after the season was over.
SOme of you guys are ridiculously fickle and change your tunes after the fact.
Yes Trotz is a good coach, but most every cap Fan was calling for his head because he COULD NOT get this Caps team out of the first round, and that he was a great regular season coach and a horrible playoff coach. He was lost and out classed in the playoffs and out coached by EVERY single team. He couldn't make adjustments on the fly, couldn't meet the changes the other teams threw out....blah, blah, blah :O= THese were all things said on these boards. Until AFTER the SC run last year.
Now you guys want him back...or we should have.....or we could have.....Forget it.
Todd Sucks but that doesn't make Trotz great. Anyone can call a SC champ coach great job (after you win the cup) WHere were all you Trotz supporters when we lost in ANOTHER first round after another Pres Trophy? Where were you when the Caps were mired in a shit season last year?
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Technically, it was the 2nd round Trotz couldn't get past. And the team slump had been fixed by this point of the season. Last season, the low point, the Preds Avs road trip where it looked like Trotz may have lost the lockerroom, was right after thanksgiving. But yea, good point.
:wackysmile:
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Caps are Ted's cash cow.. He won't let the milk spoil, trust me. (or rather GMBM won't) 3 more losses in a row and we'll start hearing the whispers of who they're hiring next..
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I'd bet the farm it ain't happening.
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Caps are Ted's cash cow.. He won't let the milk spoil, trust me. (or rather GMBM won't) 3 more losses in a row and we'll start hearing the whispers of who they're hiring next..
Ovi is Ted and Monumentals cash cow. The only way Reidon goes before the season is over will be if Ovie says so and/or Ovie goes on a dry spell.
Them firing Reidon would make Monumental look (expose) them as a god damn joke:
Win a Cup when everyone wrote you off. then don’t pay the coach that won it, so you can give the job to “your guy” that you’ve been grooming, and fire him midway through the season as he sucks?
No way will Monumental take that PR hit and make themselves look that bad with Ovie in the way to 700
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ok let’s tap the breaks here . . . Reidon isn’t getting fired yet.
Right now he’s doing what Monumental expects him to do: making sure Ovie leads the league in goals and closes in on 800. Then ride “have a chance in the playoffs”, because they won once, . . .once, each year.
Do you really think Ted cares about a loss as long Ovie gets a hat trick?
Monumentals goal is to open the new arena with a statue of Ovie saying 800 goal-scorer out front, not winning games in January or even Cups.
This is why they let Trotz walk and hired Reidon
wrong post--see below
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Agreed. Our forward corps is a rotating door of "who the fuck sits this game out" because we have too many forwards, while our defense is basically an episode of To Catch a Predator - a few old guys and a bunch of fucking kids.
Ovi, Backy, Kuzy (when he's not retarded), Wilson, Vrana, and Oshie to me are set as the top 6. Eller and Connolly help form the core of the 3rd line. I trust guys like Stephenson, Boyd, Jaskin, Dowd enough to have them fill in the rest of the forward group. Those are our 12 guys and we haven't even gotten to DSP yet, luckily. But at least we have people who weren't born yesterday.
Meanwhile, Carlson, Niskanen, Orlov, and Kempny (which, say what you will about their play, they're our best defenders). Then after that it goes downhill rapidly. You have Orpik, spokesman of the AARP, and fucking children like Seigenthaler, Bowey. One of our big guys on D goes down and you're getting pretty close to legitimately finding a homeless guy off the streets to play 6D
I agree generally but not about who are the big liabilities on defense in our own end. Right now, I'd take Siegenthaler over Carlson, Orlov, Niskanen and Bowey. All four of them have looked horrible. I don't care what Carlson's plus/minus is. I constantly see him batting it mindlessly around the boards to the opposition, sliding on his face into the corner attempting to block passes and getting caught up ice. Defensively, he reeks. He's becoming Mike Green II. Orlov and Niskanen get pushed around and have been making dumb plays with the puck. Bowey just has no idea what he's doing.
The only guys half dependable are Kempny and Siegenthaler, IMO. I say bring Lewington back up and play him. Add Orpik, Carlson and either Orlov/Niskanen as the 6th guy. Not great but the least damaging. They really desperately need to add a quality veteran d-man who's 30 or under. Two would be even better. Trading for a forward is completely useless. Oh, and I agree on Rierden. Two words: Joel Quenneville.
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I'm not ready to give up on Rierden. Gotta see if he can turn these guys around first. But more than that, if Rierdon gets canned then Ted/Monumental has to admit they screwed the pooch .....
https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/01/25/caps-slump-blame/#more-315351 (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/01/25/caps-slump-blame/#more-315351)
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They really desperately need to add a quality veteran d-man who's 30 or under. Two would be even better. Trading for a forward is completely useless. Oh, and I agree on Rierden. Two words: Joel Quenneville.
Agree. I'd prefer to see Burakovsky go in exchange for some defensive help. We've got enough forwards. In fact, with Burakovsky gone that's one less player to compete for the limited forward slots. Maybe we'd see some more continuity and consistency in the forward ranks, rather than a new guy sitting out every few days.
Also agree on Coach Q. Would definitely be willing to give him a shot. Willing to go for experience and proven track record over Reirden any day.
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Joel Quenneville took some lumps before he became a successful coach. They all do.
I just think we should wait to see how the season ends before calling for that Homer Simpson head.
:snicker: Sorry, he just reminds me of Homer.
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So it's now obvious that Reirden is a great coach, because he was the All Star coach and LED his All star team to a victory.
It must be someone else's fault the Caps have sucked ass lately. :raspberry:
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So it's now obvious that Reirden is a great coach, because he was the All Star coach and LED his All star team to a victory.
It must be someone else's fault the Caps have sucked ass lately. :raspberry:
Well, I’m sure if the NHL was just 3 on 3 with no hitting he’d be fine 🤣
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So it's now obvious that Reirden is a great coach, because he was the All Star coach and LED his All star team to a victory.
It must be someone else's fault the Caps have sucked ass lately. :raspberry:
At this rate All Star games are the only thing Reirden will be winning
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At this rate All Star games are the only thing Reirden will be winning
At this rate, the only All-Star he'll see is on TV on NBC.
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Please get rid of this useless waste of air behind our bench
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Please get rid of this useless waste of air behind our bench
There are only three ways that happen:
1. Ovie does not get any trophies, (sans injuries)
2. They get eliminated from plaiyoff contention early
3. Ovie is wants him out
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There are only three ways that happen:
1. Ovie does not get any trophies, (sans injuries)
2. They get eliminated from plaiyoff contention early
3. Ovie is wants him out
Well we're on track for 1 and 2. And if they both happen 3 I guess would follow...
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Firing Reirden won't put an end to his head/coaching career, it will set it back which may be a good thing. Bruce Casidey is doing well in Boston and after he was canned here no one would've thought he had what it takes
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Firing Reirden won't put an end to his head/coaching career, it will set it back which may be a good thing. Bruce Casidey is doing well in Boston and after he was canned here no one would've thought he had what it takes
I'm perfectly fine with Reirden ruining some other team not named the Capitals.
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Great article over at RMNB about Rierden sitting Jaskin because of a goal "he let it" at the end of a PK.
Pretty f'n tired of Rierden selectively picking out 3rd and 4th liners for mistakes and yet nothing happens to Kempny, Orlov, Niskanen, or any of the forwards or centers when they mess up.
This team has problems, but Jaskin is far from the glowing example of one and yet this is the second time he isolated him for discipline. He has a stick penalty a couple of days ago and he was benched the rest of the period while Kuzy did the same dumbass penalty and he was "benched" yet still sent out for the PP.
Yes, Conno scored two goals, but he also had a ridiculously stupid stick penalty in our offensive zone with 3 seconds left in the game which led the winning OT PP goal.
It takes no balls to call out a 4th liner. Take a sweater away from Orlov of Niskanen or Kuzy if you really want to show your fair and serious.
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Let's be honest.. Aint no coach in the league taking sweaters from top 6/4 players.. They may get demoted or miss some shifts, but scratched? I think sitting Kuz for the rest of the period the other night was more than I've seen from a Caps coach, ever.. I wish he'd scratch Kempny.. Did he get his bell rung lately? Dude been making some odd choices, then the 2 mystery blown tires.. Connolly would be sitting as well, after that retarded slash penalty. (His 2nd of the game btw)
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So here's a somewhat interesting tidbit which I'm sure will have no meaning and lead to absolutely nothing.
Joel Quenneville's played his last season as an NHL player for...
the Washington Capitals. I did not know that.
Here's a thought....How about he ends his NHL coaching career with the same club he ended his playing days with.....a coaching career that turns out to be a highly productive, winning, illustrious coaching career that culminates with 3 Stanley Cup rings in his first 5 years of coaching this team :uh-huh: :clap:
(i didn't want to seem greedy with 5 rings in 7 years) ;)
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Let's be honest.. Aint no coach in the league taking sweaters from top 6/4 players.. They may get demoted or miss some shifts, but scratched? I think sitting Kuz for the rest of the period the other night was more than I've seen from a Caps coach, ever.. I wish he'd scratch Kempny.. Did he get his bell rung lately? Dude been making some odd choices, then the 2 mystery blown tires.. Connolly would be sitting as well, after that retarded slash penalty. (His 2nd of the game btw)
I hear ‘ya Mick, but he needs to stop the BS about being responsible and disciplining players when all you’re doing is taking a sweater from a hard working 4th liner.
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Im with ya' too.. Just saying, top players get demoted, bottom players get scratched.. Just the way the discipline is handed out it seems.
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There's got to be more to this, because if this is the only reason Jaskin is scratched then Rierdon isn't long for this town...
https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/02/11/todd-reirden-on-scratching-dmitrij-jaskin-i-use-him-at-the-end-of-a-penalty-kill-and-then-it-ends-up-in-the-back-of-our-net/ (https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/02/11/todd-reirden-on-scratching-dmitrij-jaskin-i-use-him-at-the-end-of-a-penalty-kill-and-then-it-ends-up-in-the-back-of-our-net/)
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Im with ya' too.. Just saying, top players get demoted, bottom players get scratched.. Just the way the discipline is handed out it seems.
It is what it is. I guess it isn't always the best idea to totally scratch your best players, but at the very least demotions should be doled out. It's just that with TR, his bottom 6 scratch to top 6 demotion ratio is insane. Bottom 6 guys who aren't quite deserving get scratched for days on end, top 6 guys who consistently screw up don't get a slap on the wrist.
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GMBM, Ted, still waiting for you guys to get rid of this useless waste of air shitstain you guys call a head coach.
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Definitely doesn't seem like a rookie head coach (who I could bully) is the answer.. Need someone like May if you're going the rookie coach route with a bunch of metro sexual veterans. :-\
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The biggest problem with Reirdon right now is the way he talks when giving interviews. He sounds lost, and has zero authority in his voice.
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The biggest problem with Reirdon right now is the way he talks when giving interviews. He sounds lost, and has zero authority in his voice.
He sounds like a Eunuch.
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Well Quenneville is with Panthers now so.....
that's out of reach now. well not like Caps would have, but...
nice to dream
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Well Quenneville is with Panthers now so.....
that's out of reach now. well not like Caps would have, but...
nice to dream
TR would've had to throughly run this team into the ground for management to fire their guy. Winning the division just earned TR at least 2 more seasons.
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TR would've had to throughly run this team into the ground for management to fire their guy. Winning the division just earned TR at least 2 more seasons.
Agreed, and I don't see how anyone can justify firing a head coach when the team finishes 1st in the division. Not saying TR is responsible for that, but 1st place is certainly no grounds for firing.
I just would like to see this team with an actual HOF coach like Joel. I really like Babcock too.
I'm not a TR hater, but we'll see what the playoffs bring
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Playoff will validate everything, although a bit surprised about such bad sentiments.
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The Caps really blew it by letting a proven coach go. You wait forever to win the Cup then let the coach go? For a $1-2M savings? Really. This has really backfired and our owner looked cheap when he should have been soaking the sunshine of an amazing victory. It is clear Rierdon has zero respect in the locker room. He looks lost. This is not going to change, at least not here. We need to go out and get a real coach (which will end up costing more that what Trotz would have taken). Love this team, but a second Cup will never happen with Rierdon.
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The Caps really blew it by letting a proven coach go. You wait forever to win the Cup then let the coach go? For a $1-2M savings? Really. This has really backfired and our owner looked cheap when he should have been soaking the sunshine of an amazing victory. It is clear Rierdon has zero respect in the locker room. He looks lost. This is not going to change, at least not here. We need to go out and get a real coach (which will end up costing more that what Trotz would have taken). Love this team, but a second Cup will never happen with Rierdon.
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" not one of us!
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The Caps really blew it by letting a proven coach go. You wait forever to win the Cup then let the coach go? For a $1-2M savings? Really. This has really backfired and our owner looked cheap when he should have been soaking the sunshine of an amazing victory. It is clear Rierdon has zero respect in the locker room. He looks lost. This is not going to change, at least not here. We need to go out and get a real coach (which will end up costing more that what Trotz would have taken). Love this team, but a second Cup will never happen with Rierdon.
Hi
newbies , at lest here, arn't usully so ridicuusly outspoken as you luvvie. Cretainly not as innaccurate or arrogant, you stupic fucking c - wprd. You want to come and troll on our borddds, at least get your facts right.
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The Caps really blew it by letting a proven coach go. You wait forever to win the Cup then let the coach go? For a $1-2M savings? Really. This has really backfired and our owner looked cheap when he should have been soaking the sunshine of an amazing victory. It is clear Rierdon has zero respect in the locker room. He looks lost. This is not going to change, at least not here. We need to go out and get a real coach (which will end up costing more that what Trotz would have taken). Love this team, but a second Cup will never happen with Rierdon.
I know WHO you are and I know WHAT you are
Be gone. :suicide:
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The Caps really blew it by letting a proven coach go. You wait forever to win the Cup then let the coach go? For a $1-2M savings? Really. This has really backfired and our owner looked cheap when he should have been soaking the sunshine of an amazing victory. It is clear Rierdon has zero respect in the locker room. He looks lost. This is not going to change, at least not here. We need to go out and get a real coach (which will end up costing more that what Trotz would have taken). Love this team, but a second Cup will never happen with Rierdon.
Welcome to the forum.
I'll be happy if they just play hockey again.
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I know WHO you are and I know WHAT you are
Be gone. :suicide:
Hi Lil. Would you like to clue us in on who this is?
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Hi Lil. Would you like to clue us in on who this is?
🤣 the chances of him trolling are next to none
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The Caps really blew it by letting a proven coach go. You wait forever to win the Cup then let the coach go? For a $1-2M savings? Really. This has really backfired and our owner looked cheap when he should have been soaking the sunshine of an amazing victory. It is clear Rierdon has zero respect in the locker room. He looks lost. This is not going to change, at least not here. We need to go out and get a real coach (which will end up costing more that what Trotz would have taken). Love this team, but a second Cup will never happen with Rierdon.
Welcome to the boards!!
Most of us here are in complete agreement with you to say the least. Letting a HOF caliber coach that just won our first Cup go for another with no head coaching experience is absurd, if winning is still your primary goal.
However I’ve doubted that winning is the primary, or even a goal at all. I’m fairly convinced that Ovie chancing the all time goal record is the Caps primary goal, above Cups and playoff wins. This could explain why they wanted a young, controllable, players coach instead of a superior, old school hard ass that could probably of gotten us another Cup or two before he retired.
Anyway, welcome again!
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I know WHO you are and I know WHAT you are
Be gone. :suicide:
I see they got the welcome wagon treatment!! :rofl:
Yea, they botched it with the coach no doubt.. But Im pretty sure even Trotz plan would of been for Ovie to score goals. :raspberry: [size=78%] [/size] :snicker:
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I see they got the welcome wagon treatment!! :rofl:
Yea, they botched it with the coach no doubt.. But Im pretty sure even Trotz plan would of been for Ovie to score goals. :raspberry: :snicker:
No shit 😡.
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TightAssTed has to learn everything the hard way..
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Bump.
It's almost Time to revive this thread.
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Bump.
It's almost Time to revive this thread.
Yep. Can't believe it's been that long since the thread first started lol. Hopefully we get TR out soon.
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Anddddd with yet another first round exit, let's officially call for #FireTodd
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what else is there to say... the results speak for themselves
I don't hate Todd, but he clearly isn't ready to be a head coach
our first Bruce went back to being as assistant for almost 10 years
and is now doing pretty good in Boston
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The most I hate in this head coach sage, Caps got a generational player and end up with only one SC. We had two assistant coaches, one junior coach. And when we finally won, we stumble again.
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The most I hate in this head coach sage, Caps got a generational player and end up with only one SC. We had two assistant coaches, one junior coach. And when we finally won, we stumble again.
yep, but that's not the head coaches fault, that's an upper management problem
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I can't imagine what else Ted and GMBM need to see or have to decide on? Just take the lumps and find an experienced coach/staff. See what happens. But this experiment has run it's course, imo. The results are in! :clown: :poop:
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yep, but that's not the head coaches fault, that's an upper management problem
True, I cannot imagine any assistant coach would turn down an offer to be a head coach. It's up the management make hiring designs. Also the owner was a big part.
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I see GMBM being just as culpable as TR
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Finally!
https://www.nhl.com/news/washington-capitals-fire-head-coach-todd-reirden/c-318706600 (https://www.nhl.com/news/washington-capitals-fire-head-coach-todd-reirden/c-318706600)
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've only been calling for this for the last year and a half or more lol. This is great news. Please hire a REAL coach now BMac
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've only been calling for this for the last year and a half or more lol. This is great news. Please hire a REAL coach now BMac
Agree :clap:
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:banana: :banana: :banana:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eVM1nUmDHHc (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eVM1nUmDHHc)
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Amazing. Didn’t think they do it.
This gives me hope....(until we see who they hire)
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Amazing. Didn’t think they do it.
This gives me hope....(until we see who they hire)
Agreed, I thought they’d stick with him for years.
Guess he pissed Ovie or Carlson off 🤣🤣
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Feel sorry for him in a way. It's a cruel business. A guy spends a lot of time and years doing the grunt work and finally gets his chance, only to get fired after a couple years. I wasn't a big fan of his, but the players have as much to do with it as he does. Too many of the Caps players are content and don't have the win at all costs desire.
I'm hoping they find a fresh, new, energetic young coach instead of an old re-tread which seems to be so popular in the NHL.
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Feel sorry for him in a way. It's a cruel business. A guy spends a lot of time and years doing the grunt work and finally gets his chance, only to get fired after a couple years. I wasn't a big fan of his, but the players have as much to do with it as he does. Too many of the Caps players are content and don't have the win at all costs desire.
I'm hoping they find a fresh, new, energetic young coach instead of an old re-tread which seems to be so popular in the NHL.
But hasn't the complaint over the years largely been that they have gone with inexperienced coaches who haven't had what it takes, rather than going with proven quality?
The article I saw about Reirden's firing stated that the team was going to look for an experienced coach this time. Babcock, LaViolette, Boudreau, Gallant were some names mentioned.
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But hasn't the complaint over the years largely been that they have gone with inexperienced coaches who haven't had what it takes, rather than going with proven quality?
The article I saw about Reirden's firing stated that the team was going to look for an experienced coach this time. Babcock, LaViolette, Boudreau, Gallant were some names mentioned.
They have, and they need to cut that shit out especially during the end of the Ovechkin core years. No time to experiment. Spend the money to get a real coach. Get Ovi another Cup
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So who we gettin'.. Gallant? Laviolette?
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I know who it won't be, no way in hell Boudreaux coaches OV again unless it's the all star game, and even that's pushing it
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I know who it won't be, no way in hell Boudreaux coaches OV again unless it's the all star game, and even that's pushing it
Agreed. I pretty much said the same thing couple weeks? ago. No way they bring back cousin brucey.
Pretty sure his friction with Ovie was what resulted in him "losing the locker room" and ending his tenure here.
Hell I wanted Babcock when he was available couple years back. I guess we shall see, but even with an experienced coach...the window(s) starting closing on this squad a few years ago.
Still, it's nice to see the ownership is not satisfied with status quo....which has been the appearance in years past.
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https://www.nhl.com/news/washington-capitals-looking-over-options-for-next-coach/c-318718156?tid=277548856 (https://www.nhl.com/news/washington-capitals-looking-over-options-for-next-coach/c-318718156?tid=277548856)
Babcock and Gallant would be good addition to our team!
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A lot of names on that list, but I want a serious top tier guy.
Bobcock, Gallant, Laviollette.
The article has Boudreau in there, but other than just the previous bad blood with Ovi history, I don't like him in that he has made playoffs 10 ten times and only past 1st round once. I think that is not what this team needs. Who knows, maybe he's a great playoff coach now, but ...I'd prefer one of the others.
You think the Caps will come up off the money to actually sign a top guy?
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A lot of names on that list, but I want a serious top tier guy.
Bobcock, Gallant, Laviollette.
The article has Boudreau in there, but other than just the previous bad blood with Ovi history, I don't like him in that he has made playoffs 10 ten times and only past 1st round once. I think that is not what this team needs. Who knows, maybe he's a great playoff coach now, but ...I'd prefer one of the others.
You think the Caps will come up off the money to actually sign a top guy?
I would definitely choose among these guys: Bobcock, Gallant, Laviollette, as they can provide a results, on the other hand it’s now or never to win a CUP with current squad!
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Need somebody with a backbone or it won't work. Gallant is probably the best among the known quantities. What this whole episode shows is that it never pays to go cheap. Meanwhile, Trotz has the Isles flying along.
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Think Gallant is at the top of my list as well. Lavi a close 2nd..
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Just a question: What is the need for coaches across the league right now? I realize there might be more firings as this "Stanley Cup playoffs" continues. The more competition for coaching, the greater the need for the organization to move expeditiously on the new coach.
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Just a question: What is the need for coaches across the league right now? I realize there might be more firings as this "Stanley Cup playoffs" continues. The more competition for coaching, the greater the need for the organization to move expeditiously on the new coach.
I agree. I'm not sure who needs a coach right now and who might need one after the playoffs, but right now there's two front runners in Gallant and Lavi. We should move quick to make sure they aren't snatched up by another team. Not often you have coaches like that looking for jobs.
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I'm going back to what I said months ago. Alan May would be a great pick. He's always quickly diagnosing the team's problems, he's very familiar with the organization, he's a bit of an old school guy and, as a former player, will command respect and he'll come much more cheaply than Gallant or any of the retreads. I'm not sure why picking guys who have never really succeeded (outside of Babcock) is a good idea. Remember, every one of these veteran coaches started out with no HC experience at one point. Give May a shot. At least interview him.
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I'm going back to what I said months ago. Alan May would be a great pick. He's always quickly diagnosing the team's problems, he's very familiar with the organization, he's a bit of an old school guy and, as a former player, will command respect and he'll come much more cheaply than Gallant or any of the retreads. I'm not sure why picking guys who have never really succeeded (outside of Babcock) is a good idea. Remember, every one of these veteran coaches started out with no HC experience at one point. Give May a shot. At least interview him.
I love Alan May and think he might very well make a good coach. He knows the game and has an edge to him (that they let show on occasion). He certainly does know this team and organization well so that is a plus. He appears to be a smart enough guy, but he has virtually zero coaching experience. That would be a bit of a risk and goes against what GMBM said in the presser...."We want a guy with HC experience" so I don't see that as realistic at THIS point.
That and who knows if he would be interested in dealing with all the BS. Maybe he likes his part time armchair analysis work life.
Maybe you bring Hooks (Brooks Orpik) into the fold as an assistant? (If you are going the Alan May local yocal route.) But then you have two guys with no coaching experience so not sure that works well.
I would imagine our current assistant coaches will be toast if they bring in a big name HC....allowing him to pull in guys he wants.
Hey, nobody's brought up Adam Oates...what's he doing these days :lol: :raised-eyebrow: :raspberry:
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While Alan May could potentially be a good coach, I don't think now is the time to experiment. The championship window of the Ovechkin era will close in a few years and I'm not sure it's a good idea to give May a chance to see if he could potentially be a good coach. I think it's time to bring in someone who is proven. If it doesn't work out then oh well, at least we can't say it was a silly experiment.
I would not be opposed to May being coach in the future, but not now.
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I love Alan May and think he might very well make a good coach. He knows the game and has an edge to him (that they let show on occasion). He certainly does know this team and organization well so that is a plus. He appears to be a smart enough guy, but he has virtually zero coaching experience. That would be a bit of a risk and goes against what GMBM said in the presser...."We want a guy with HC experience" so I don't see that as realistic at THIS point.
That and who knows if he would be interested in dealing with all the BS. Maybe he likes his part time armchair analysis work life.
Maybe you bring Hooks (Brooks Orpik) into the fold as an assistant? (If you are going the Alan May local yocal route.) But then you have two guys with no coaching experience so not sure that works well.
I would imagine our current assistant coaches will be toast if they bring in a big name HC....allowing him to pull in guys he wants.
Hey, nobody's brought up Adam Oates...what's he doing these days :lol: :raised-eyebrow: :raspberry:
May very well may not be interested but you don't know unless you ask him. As for not having HC experience, all of the other guys being mentioned didn't have it at one point, either. We also need to ask why all of the guys being mentioned are unemployed and what they've really won so far. Good coaches can't be made, IMO. Guys either have it or they don't but we'll never know about May unless he gets a chance. What we do know is that nobody is chomping at the bit for the guys currently available.
As for the Cup window, I'd say it's very tiny at this point without both a good HC and some more upgrades both on defense and up front. The team looked slow and old against the Isles and had virtually no sense of urgency. They have to trim some dead wood to have any hope no matter who is coach.
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May has coached in the minors, depends what he's being paid now and if he's happy with it, and if he wants his blood pressure to go up or not
the next person that mentions oates is getting banned :raspberry:
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Now That's funny :lol:
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I very much doubt that Adam Oates is a Quaker, but that's just me.
The championship window of the "Ovechkin era" is over. At this point, Alex Ovechkin is a player who seemingly still has a skill that is of particular usefulness in hockey success - putting the puck in the net. But he no longer is a player that can drive playoff success in a comprehensive way, and maybe he never was. At this point age is starting to catch up with him, and other than his uncanny ability to score (which wasn't really on display in the Islander series), he is really just another player out there on the ice now. If the Caps tree to win another championship in the "Ovechkin era," it will have to be with others doing the heavy lifting in all other aspects of the game besides scoring, and probably having to take an ever-increasing part of the scoring burden as well. It may still be the "Ovechkin era" in that he is still on the team, but it will not be the "Ovechkin era" in terms of his capability to drive outcomes.
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I agree. I'm not sure who needs a coach right now and who might need one after the playoffs, but right now there's two front runners in Gallant and Lavi. We should move quick to make sure they aren't snatched up by another team. Not often you have coaches like that looking for jobs.
And even Gallant has some nagging questions about his ability (or inability?) to adjust during playoff series, which is something that critics of past Caps coaches have harped on ad nauseam in previous years. It wouldn't be at all surprising, if the Caps hired Gallant, that in a couple of years we would hear the same complaints about him that we heard about Boudreau.
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My pick would be Babcock then Lavi, then Gallant
Although this is based on very little real knowledge of any of them.
Babcock just seems a bit more no nonsense hard nosed or fiery than the others which I think is needed for this squad. Need some culture breakdown and rebuild with a guy who demands enough respect that EVERYONE buys in.
Go Caps
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I very much doubt that Adam Oates is a Quaker, but that's just me.
The championship window of the "Ovechkin era" is over. At this point, Alex Ovechkin is a player who seemingly still has a skill that is of particular usefulness in hockey success - putting the puck in the net. But he no longer is a player that can drive playoff success in a comprehensive way, and maybe he never was. At this point age is starting to catch up with him, and other than his uncanny ability to score (which wasn't really on display in the Islander series), he is really just another player out there on the ice now. If the Caps tree to win another championship in the "Ovechkin era," it will have to be with others doing the heavy lifting in all other aspects of the game besides scoring, and probably having to take an ever-increasing part of the scoring burden as well. It may still be the "Ovechkin era" in that he is still on the team, but it will not be the "Ovechkin era" in terms of his capability to drive outcomes.
Pretty much agree on Ovi except I do think he can/does still drive some success in that when he is on and running full steam...OTHERS follow. His ability to do this is decreasing, but he is still a presence on the ice.
However, For THIS team to succeed, we need more from Kuzy and Willy and Vranna. Kuzy needs to be the super Kuzy we see flashes of. Vranna needs to score. Willy needs....hell I don't know. Needs to do what he does, but need to get a little more scoring out of his efforts. Ovi can still score goals, but like you said, someone else (Willy and Kuzy) need to do the heavy lifting.
Problem is, even is Kuzy is what he could be, and Wilson dominates every aspect, and Ovi...scores goals, you still have only one incredible line (if all three guys are fully functioning at the same time), so you need some other threats down the lines.
Vranna could pick it up, but Backy is a question mark, and Oshie...despite his never ending effort is also aging and both these guys could be one concussion away from retiring.
I like Eller for what he is, but that's a reasonably skilled 3c, and I don't expect that to change much (at least not in an upward direction).
For this team to have any real success, some of the yet unproven youngins are going to have to blossom...and do so quickly.
And then we still have holes on D
And the goal tending is a question mark. If we are talking future success....then Sammy is gonna have to mature very quickly...like THIS year and that only happens if Holtby is gone.
Not all that pretty a picture I think. Curios to see who we land for a HC.
GO CAPS
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My pick would be Babcock then Lavi, then Gallant
Although this is based on very little real knowledge of any of them.
Babcock just seems a bit more no nonsense hard nosed or fiery than the others which I think is needed for this squad. Need some culture breakdown and rebuild with a guy who demands enough respect that EVERYONE buys in.
Go Caps
Agree. People stop talking nonsense about Alan May, he is just a hockey critic.
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Agree. People stop talking nonsense about Alan May, he is just a hockey critic.
You can't talk knowledgeably about the game without knowing the game. May knows the game and the organization. God knows he'd have been a better pick than Reirden. I'd rather give May a shot than some guy who's already proven he can't go the distance.
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My pick would be Babcock then Lavi, then Gallant
Although this is based on very little real knowledge of any of them.
Babcock just seems a bit more no nonsense hard nosed or fiery than the others which I think is needed for this squad. Need some culture breakdown and rebuild with a guy who demands enough respect that EVERYONE buys in.
Go Caps
Bein as I’m from Detroit & all, Babcock is the last one I’d take for this roster. Besides, given his insane instance on his “Eurotrash Passive Possesion” system, Ovie would be lucky to get 30 goals, Wilson would be a healthy scratch, and Kuzys & Carlsons worst days under Reidon would be their best.
Gallant could make Wilson far and away the most dominant player in the league, but would doubtfully gel with the rest of the roster for an extended period, to put it lightly.
But the bigger question is, what experienced Coach would want this job? Ted, Dickless, & GMBetaMale have provided unrealistic demands to win while babysittin & cajoling large percentages of the salary cap & marketing department, and if you manage to do the impossible, you don’t get extended.
The only real choice is find another that will get Ovie 50 and into round two within two years, rinse/repeat, til Ovie gets the record and/or hangs em up in the new arena
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did anyone else notice where Rierdon is now an assistant coach :wtf:
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did anyone else notice where Rierdon is now an assistant coach :wtf:
No, but I had to look it up. Shittsburgh? Really? WTF would they want him? I mean he coached there before and they actually released him, so why would they want him back
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8-0 WOW!
Actually that explains quite a lot. :smirk:
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No, but I had to look it up. Shittsburgh? Really? WTF would they want him? I mean he coached there before and they actually released him, so why would they want him back
Because Rierden led a Stanley Cup champion wannabe Stanley Cup repeatin' Caps during the COVID Cup and LOST in the first round.
Makes about as much sense as dropping bombs on a city to gain it's votes. Did I say bombs? I meant ANTIFA.