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GDT#60 Caps vs Bolts @7pm 2-20-18
Devise:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday February 20, 2018, 08:15:25 PM Eastern ---YOURE DAMN RIGHT!!!
Let us also not forget the a big part of this core is now locked into long term, high dollar contracts to.
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Yeah it's why I'd rather just they suck it up and go for it with some of the core. Carlson is due a huge FA bump and is high trade value, he could go. Burt, Vrana, Connolly, we have players who are a bit younger that teams could be interested in. Not even just this season for the future, obviously if we rebuild you have to ask yourself what happens with Ovechkin, Backstrom etc. But I'd still rather see them get Nisky someone to play on a real top pairing and then shore up some grit/depth/leadership everywhere else.
I realize some might argue that you would be a fool to trade some of our younger players when we have no idea if we are going to win or not. But that is part and parcel to a huge problem with ours and has been. For as much as the management always says they go for it, do they really? Even the Shattenkirk deal last season, our GM's want to be lauded for being smart, and savvy, they always have. They focus so much on this long term game that micromanaging valuable prospects, making sure build valuable depth and the like that not enough focus is spent on what the team is doing now, what it's identity is now. If you were to look at our roster as a hole, what are we?
Are we competitors? I mean, I guess, Oshie, Ovie, Nicky, Kuzy, Holtby, the number of top NHL players on our roster is high, we win games, we score goals, we are a playoff team. But our farm team and depth is some of the youngest unready NHL talent your ever going to see. Those are traits not of an NHL contender. They are traits of teams like Arizona, of rebuilders. I said it before but far too often when it comes to the roster we ice we end up taking steps back everytime we take steps forward. We'll fix an issue like 2C with Kuzy coming into town, and then lose the depth pieces that helped keep us above the board with names like Ward/Chimera.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: washcapsfan on Tuesday February 20, 2018, 08:20:16 PM Eastern ---
Ok. So what changes do you make if you are the gm
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First tell Dickless Patrick that he needs to resign
Replace the scouting department
Then Fire Salel
Kuzy, Bura, Orlov, Oshie, Orpik Varna gone
Then tell Trotz he has next season, and to fire his defensive coach or I will
Devise:
--- Quote from: washcapsfan on Tuesday February 20, 2018, 08:20:16 PM Eastern ---
Ok. So what changes do you make if you are the gm
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For the record I'm not implying it's easy, or trying to diminish the quality of work all our GM and players have done. Criticism at this level generally comes with a respect that I know I'm not a GM, same with players. It's not about understanding if I could do it better it's just about relative comparisons, which is ultimately what we as fans all end up critiquing on anyways.
None the less I think they should sell a few players, some of the younger ones, get a bit older/grittier depth to handle a wider array of teams. I think despite his relative youth Carlson should go, circumstance and situation dictate that for me. He's never been great for us in the playoffs on either side of the puck and the increase in pace, and physicality shows signs of overwhelming him. Add to that he is a good offensive player statistically and we live in a salary cap era and he's going to demand far more than he currently makes. Yeah, sure I'd trade him. Lots of teams would bid on him, everybody needs puck moving defenders.
Devise:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday February 20, 2018, 08:30:23 PM Eastern ---First tell Dickless Patrick that he needs to resign
Replace the scouting department
Then Fire Salel
Kuzy, Bura, Orlov, Oshie, Orpik Varna gone
Then tell Trotz he has next season, and to fire his defensive coach or I will
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Kinda stunned you'd lose Oshie. Orlov to a lesser extent as well, especially if the goal is win now. Your not going to find many skill guys who work as hard as Oshie, and I know your a big fan of the physical play, and size, but I think he's still an asset for us in the playoffs. He hasn't been here long enough and I still see work ethic from him most nights. Last year during the playoffs the play of both he and Williams I thought was good, some of the rare few good play we had from forwards. I guess I'm not just convinced we'd find a skill player who happens to show up more in the playoffs than Oshie does.
Orlov is a tough case, because he has such good sparks. I also think he has improved defensively. I'd take Orlov over Carlson at this stage just because I feel Orlov has more of a mean streak too him.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Devise on Tuesday February 20, 2018, 08:24:39 PM Eastern ---
Yeah it's why I'd rather just they suck it up and go for it with some of the core. Carlson is due a huge FA bump and is high trade value, he could go. Burt, Vrana, Connolly, we have players who are a bit younger that teams could be interested in. Not even just this season for the future, obviously if we rebuild you have to ask yourself what happens with Ovechkin, Backstrom etc. But I'd still rather see them get Nisky someone to play on a real top pairing and then shore up some grit/depth/leadership everywhere else.
I realize some might argue that you would be a fool to trade some of our younger players when we have no idea if we are going to win or not. But that is part and parcel to a huge problem with ours and has been. For as much as the management always says they go for it, do they really? Even the Shattenkirk deal last season, our GM's want to be lauded for being smart, and savvy, they always have. They focus so much on this long term game that micromanaging valuable prospects, making sure build valuable depth and the like that not enough focus is spent on what the team is doing now, what it's identity is now. If you were to look at our roster as a hole, what are we?
Are we competitors? I mean, I guess, Oshie, Ovie, Nicky, Kuzy, Holtby, the number of top NHL players on our roster is high, we win games, we score goals, we are a playoff team. But our farm team and depth is some of the youngest unready NHL talent your ever going to see. Those are traits not of an NHL contender. They are traits of teams like Arizona, of rebuilders. I said it before but far too often when it comes to the roster we ice we end up taking steps back everytime we take steps forward. We'll fix an issue like 2C with Kuzy coming into town, and then lose the depth pieces that helped keep us above the board with names like Ward/Chimera.
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Agree again.
This the time to adopt the Pats philosophy of “trade to early not to late”.
A good GM could turn Kuzy, Bura. and Orlov into 5 or players/picks and gain cap room.
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