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richkrt99:
--- Quote from: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday July 19, 2022, 08:30:12 PM Eastern ---I don't even know who CMac is, but I like it!
Just a random thought, but our D would be a lot better if we still had Seigenthaler and our salary cap would be in better shape. I hated that deal then and I hate it more now!!
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Cmac is Connor McMichael.
And I agree 100%. I hated seeing Ziggy go. I thought that was so dumb. Could have kept him for cheap and he's big and strong.....something we are lacking. THEN was the time to move Carlson when his perceived value was so high....and you could have rebuilt some team with his cash - not that they ever would have or ever will. Knowing the Caps they will probably sign Johhny to another 5 years at 7.5 mill per when his current contract is over in 2026 and he is 36 years old.
But yeah, I thought Seigenthaler was up and coming and had proven himself well. Hated seeing him go. I know he was a victim of the cap problem, but wrong victim in my view.
Beaglefan2:
I've often wondered how much Ted is involved. It is clear that he calls the shots with Ovi, which is fair. Ted hitched his wagon to Ovi and gave him the big long-term deal early on and it definitely paid off. Unfortunately, Ted has extended that long-term loyalty thing to "his" guys.
I think it was pretty obvious that they should not have extended Nicky and definitely not Carlson when they did. Hockey is a cold hard business, but the Caps just can't make the tough decisions. When have they ever traded or not extended a key player? The really good organizations execute in the crunch - when they have to make hard choices.
People can argue and say "ya, but we won a Cup". I would counter by saying we should have won 2 or 3 with the draft capital we had and the core of talent. Ironically, the year we won the Cup - it was not with our best team and as Cups often go, it was just the year that we got the bounces, the calls and good goaltending. The teams 2 and three years before that were way better and should have won Cups.
Surreylily:
--- Quote from: Beaglefan2 on Wednesday July 20, 2022, 05:31:07 PM Eastern ---I've often wondered how much Ted is involved. It is clear that he calls the shots with Ovi, which is fair. Ted hitched his wagon to Ovi and gave him the big long-term deal early on and it definitely paid off. Unfortunately, Ted has extended that long-term loyalty thing to "his" guys.
I think it was pretty obvious that they should not have extended Nicky and definitely not Carlson when they did. Hockey is a cold hard business, but the Caps just can't make the tough decisions. When have they ever traded or not extended a key player? The really good organizations execute in the crunch - when they have to make hard choices.
People can argue and say "ya, but we won a Cup". I would counter by saying we should have won 2 or 3 with the draft capital we had and the core of talent. Ironically, the year we won the Cup - it was not with our best team and as Cups often go, it was just the year that we got the bounces, the calls and good goaltending. The teams 2 and three years before that were way better and should have won Cups.
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But they didn't. Did they.
It isn't about having the best team "on paper". That rarely works in practice.
It's not even about talent, though that helps a tad.... It's about ego's, charachters and personalities and their interactions and not just within the game team environment. Who mixes with who outside the locker room. More importantly, who doesn't?
This is where the Coach is so very important.
Beaglefan2:
I think you are right. It's very much about having the right guys, not necessarily the most talented guys. I have thought that over the years, besides Ovi and a couple others, that the Caps lacked the type of players that want to win at any cost. The guys that just have that burning desire. We had too many guys that maybe had great talent and potential, but that didn't have that fire and will to win no matter what.
I think the Coach can help make sure the team chemistry is good but if he is given a core of players that just don't have the fire, then he has to rely more on luck.
If the Caps had made some bold moves early in the careers of guys like Semin, Green, Carlson and yes, even Nicky, then I think it is likely we would have won another Cup or two.
justwincaps:
--- Quote from: Surreylily on Wednesday July 20, 2022, 05:57:24 PM Eastern ---But they didn't. Did they.
It isn't about having the best team "on paper". That rarely works in practice.
It's not even about talent, though that helps a tad.... It's about ego's, charachters and personalities and their interactions and not just within the game team environment. Who mixes with who outside the locker room. More importantly, who doesn't?
This is where the Coach is so very important.
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You're right 'Lily - it's not about having the best team on paper. Most times it isn't even about having the best team on the ice. How many President's Cup winners [the "best" team on the ice during the regular season] ended up winning the Cup? Not that many. Hell, how many President's Cups did we win and never made it out of the first or second round?
It is about the intangibles and about the coaching. Why we went cheap and let Trotz go after bringing us our first Cup still bewilders me.
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