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What happens now.
alta:
expansion draft is Wednesday night, regular draft starts Friday night
alta:
and, there's been a lot of stink in the rumor mill lately about the Caps trading Kuzy. I sincerely hope he was kept as trade bait. I will never understand the decision to put Carlson on the list. The Caps have said repeatedly they need to be faster, and they need to dump a shit load of salary. Keeping Carlson achieves neither.
It also looks like they are happy to keep what look like the two biggest head cases on the team, Kuzy and Sammy.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: alta on Sunday July 18, 2021, 04:55:48 PM Eastern ---and, there's been a lot of stink in the rumor mill lately about the Caps trading Kuzy. I sincerely hope he was kept as trade bait. I will never understand the decision to put Carlson on the list. The Caps have said repeatedly they need to be faster, and they need to dump a shit load of salary. Keeping Carlson achieves neither.
It also looks like they are happy to keep what look like the two biggest head cases on the team, Kuzy and Sammy.
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The reality is that the organization obviously sees and values Carlson much differently than many fans, and certainly many posters on this board, do. IMO, the organization sees him as among the best in the league at what he does: Being an offensive defenseman while still playing acceptable, if far from perfect, defense while largely playing against the best opposition, and being some part of the reason that Ovechkin has been the ABSOLUTE best at what he does, putting the puck in the net.
His recent contract looks like an example of the old adage "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." I suspect the organization did not, in its viewpoint, see a better alternative to keeping him and paying him. If they had let him go a couple of years ago instead of tendering him that contract, what would it have cost them to upgrade, even ASSUMING such a player were available on either the trade or UFA markets? Or think about it conversely for a moment. If the Caps HAD let him go, would he still be playing for some team in the NHL at this point? I think the answer is obvious - of course he would. And what do you think the terms of that contract would be? It would be at most 7 years rather than 8, because only players resigning with their own team can get an 8-year contract, but I'd bet my mortgage that it would be 7. And what do you think the AAV of that contract would be? Do you think that some other team or teams out there would have valued Carlson at least equivalently to what the Caps value him? IMO, the answer to that question is "yes."
alta:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Monday July 19, 2021, 07:19:01 AM Eastern ---
The reality is that the organization obviously sees and values Carlson much differently than many fans, and certainly many posters on this board, do. IMO, the organization sees him as among the best in the league at what he does: Being an offensive defenseman while still playing acceptable, if far from perfect, defense while largely playing against the best opposition, and being some part of the reason that Ovechkin has been the ABSOLUTE best at what he does, putting the puck in the net.
His recent contract looks like an example of the old adage "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." I suspect the organization did not, in its viewpoint, see a better alternative to keeping him and paying him. If they had let him go a couple of years ago instead of tendering him that contract, what would it have cost them to upgrade, even ASSUMING such a player were available on either the trade or UFA markets? Or think about it conversely for a moment. If the Caps HAD let him go, would he still be playing for some team in the NHL at this point? I think the answer is obvious - of course he would. And what do you think the terms of that contract would be? It would be at most 7 years rather than 8, because only players resigning with their own team can get an 8-year contract, but I'd bet my mortgage that it would be 7. And what do you think the AAV of that contract would be? Do you think that some other team or teams out there would have valued Carlson at least equivalently to what the Caps value him? IMO, the answer to that question is "yes."
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and yet, the organization NEEDS to get better and dump major salary to do so.
I'm curios, Do you have ANY opinions on how they can do that? Or are they supposed to remain stagnant for the joy of the fans in the regular season?
richkrt99:
The reality is....there is no spoon :huh: (oh wait...that's the truth - not reality)
I mean...
The reality is they HAD to protect ANYONE and EVERYONE with any type of NTC. That is part of the condition of the expansion draft. No way around it.
which for the Caps mandates....
Kuzy, Orlvo, Carlson, Wilson, Oshie all HAD to be on the protected list.
So of the total protected list...the Caps really only had a few choices left.
Not surprised they protected Eller - he's a good fit at a reasonable price for us
I am surprised at TVR. The guy can't break the lineup, but we are protecting him?
I think the Spronger probably earned his way into that protection last year. He's a relative bargain right now so the Caps kind of need to keep any "young & cheap" guys that actually break the lineup.
I'm a little surprised they left Dillon exposed, but WTF really knows what goes on behind the scenes. Teams are aloud to make "outside" deals with Seattle to NOT pick players so who can really tell what's what.
I am also a bit surprised they protected Backy. Nobody was going to touch his contract and he does not have a NTC so ....why waste the spot? Makes me think protecting both Backy AND Eller that the Caps are indeed planning on shopping Kuzy so they could not risk losing another center
We shall see.
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