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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #40 on: Saturday July 10, 2021, 08:41:06 PM Eastern »
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How does that even happen these days?
Is it a money thing maybe?
I've always considered us lucky to have Teddy as our owner.  He invests in the teams and  in the players and in the staff around them. 

I know many people don't seem to like him, but I've always thought he's tried to do the best for his teams that he can.
Maybe that's not the case with the Blues?  Maybe they just don't have the money?  In which case, they need to have a rethink.....methinks.....If they can't afford to support a team.......
Not having proper medical care is pretty shit.


Thats a great question. Makes me wonder if perhaps we did that to Robbi Fabbri's knee


Tarasenko, Pietrangelo (the captain), Schwartz, Bozak, Edmundson, Allen.....just two tears removed from our ONLY SC win and these players are all gone/pending ufa....
you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just
because some watery tart threw a sword at you

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #41 on: Saturday July 17, 2021, 01:56:24 PM Eastern »
the protect lists for the Seattle draft are due at 5pm today
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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #42 on: Sunday July 18, 2021, 10:17:37 AM Eastern »
The protect lists for the Seattle draft are due at 5pm today

Any word on who we protected, left unprotected? I've not seen much about it online. :huh:

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #43 on: Sunday July 18, 2021, 10:39:20 AM Eastern »
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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #44 on: Sunday July 18, 2021, 12:37:43 PM Eastern »
Is it odd they protected TVR and not Jensen? Guess Jensen, Hathaway and Haglin are gonna be the "targets"?? Ovi doesn't surprise me since he's UFA.. So when do they "pick"??

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #45 on: Sunday July 18, 2021, 12:49:34 PM Eastern »
expansion draft is Wednesday night, regular draft starts Friday night
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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #46 on: Sunday July 18, 2021, 04:55:48 PM Eastern »
and, there's been a lot of stink in the rumor mill lately about the Caps trading Kuzy. I sincerely hope he was kept as trade bait. I will never understand the decision to put Carlson on the list. The Caps have said repeatedly they need to be faster, and they need to dump a shit load of salary. Keeping Carlson achieves neither.


It also looks like they are happy to keep what look like the two biggest head cases on the team, Kuzy and Sammy.
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« Reply #47 on: Monday July 19, 2021, 07:19:01 AM Eastern »
and, there's been a lot of stink in the rumor mill lately about the Caps trading Kuzy. I sincerely hope he was kept as trade bait. I will never understand the decision to put Carlson on the list. The Caps have said repeatedly they need to be faster, and they need to dump a shit load of salary. Keeping Carlson achieves neither.


It also looks like they are happy to keep what look like the two biggest head cases on the team, Kuzy and Sammy.




The reality is that the organization obviously sees and values Carlson much differently than many fans, and certainly many posters on this board, do.  IMO, the organization sees him as among the best in the league at what he does:  Being an offensive defenseman while still playing acceptable, if far from perfect, defense while largely playing against the best opposition, and being some part of the reason that Ovechkin has been the ABSOLUTE best at what he does, putting the puck in the net. 


His recent contract looks like an example of the old adage "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."  I suspect the organization did not, in its viewpoint, see a better alternative to keeping him and paying him.  If they had let him go a couple of years ago instead of tendering him that contract, what would it have cost them to upgrade, even ASSUMING such a player were available on either the trade or UFA markets?  Or think about it conversely for a moment.  If the Caps HAD let him go, would he still be playing for some team in the NHL at this point?  I think the answer is obvious - of course he would.  And what do you think the terms of that contract would be?  It would be at most 7 years rather than 8, because only players resigning with their own team can get an 8-year contract, but I'd bet my mortgage that it would be 7.  And what do you think the AAV of that contract would be?  Do you think that some other team or teams out there would have valued Carlson at least equivalently to what the Caps value him?  IMO, the answer to that question is "yes."

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #48 on: Monday July 19, 2021, 11:04:23 AM Eastern »



The reality is that the organization obviously sees and values Carlson much differently than many fans, and certainly many posters on this board, do.  IMO, the organization sees him as among the best in the league at what he does:  Being an offensive defenseman while still playing acceptable, if far from perfect, defense while largely playing against the best opposition, and being some part of the reason that Ovechkin has been the ABSOLUTE best at what he does, putting the puck in the net. 


His recent contract looks like an example of the old adage "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."  I suspect the organization did not, in its viewpoint, see a better alternative to keeping him and paying him.  If they had let him go a couple of years ago instead of tendering him that contract, what would it have cost them to upgrade, even ASSUMING such a player were available on either the trade or UFA markets?  Or think about it conversely for a moment.  If the Caps HAD let him go, would he still be playing for some team in the NHL at this point?  I think the answer is obvious - of course he would.  And what do you think the terms of that contract would be?  It would be at most 7 years rather than 8, because only players resigning with their own team can get an 8-year contract, but I'd bet my mortgage that it would be 7.  And what do you think the AAV of that contract would be?  Do you think that some other team or teams out there would have valued Carlson at least equivalently to what the Caps value him?  IMO, the answer to that question is "yes."


and yet, the organization NEEDS to get better and dump major salary to do so.

I'm curios, Do you have ANY opinions on how they can do that? Or are they supposed to remain stagnant for the joy of the fans in the regular season?

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #49 on: Monday July 19, 2021, 04:13:12 PM Eastern »
The reality is....there is no spoon   :huh:  (oh wait...that's the truth - not reality)


I mean...


The reality is they HAD to protect ANYONE and EVERYONE with any type of NTC.  That is part of the condition of the expansion draft.  No way around it.
which for the Caps mandates....


Kuzy, Orlvo, Carlson, Wilson, Oshie all HAD to be on the protected list.


So of the total protected list...the Caps really only had a few choices left.


Not surprised they protected Eller - he's a good fit at a reasonable price for us


I am surprised at TVR.  The guy can't break the lineup, but we are protecting him?


I think the Spronger probably earned his way into that protection last year.  He's a relative bargain right now so the Caps kind of need to keep any "young & cheap" guys that actually break the lineup.


I'm a little surprised they left Dillon exposed, but WTF really knows what goes on behind the scenes.  Teams are aloud to make "outside" deals with Seattle to NOT pick players so who can really tell what's what.


I am also a bit surprised they protected Backy.  Nobody was going to touch his contract and he does not have a NTC so ....why waste the spot?  Makes me think protecting both Backy AND Eller that the Caps are indeed planning on shopping Kuzy so they could not risk losing another center


We shall see.

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #50 on: Monday July 19, 2021, 06:24:55 PM Eastern »
Didn't know they "had" to protect guys with NTC's? NHL makes a bunch of special rules for the expansion, surprised they didn't shitcan that one as well. lol Either way, for the Carlson's and the Kuzy's they can get back more then just a salary dump, if they do decide/try to move them, imo. But it's the Caps, so expecting some big moves is probably not gonna happen. If the Krackers take Dillon or Schultz and they trade a couple other smaller contracts for even smaller contracts, they'll probably be able to squeeze in under the cap with the same core group and disappoint us for a few more years!  :) :raspberry:

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #51 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 10:38:13 AM Eastern »
I saw that they had to protect Backy for some reason.  The guy I think they will lose will be Sheary.  He is the relentless type of player that you need in the playoffs and has some term at a reasonable cost.  I hate to lose him.


I don't think they take Jensen. Yes, he had a good rebound year and can skate and move the puck, but he is not big enough or strong enough for the playoffs.


Dillion is big enough and strong enough but his defense isn't great and his cap number is bigger than it should be.


So for me, I think they take Sheary, with an outside chance they take Vanacek.  Really hate to lose Sheary.

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 11:51:01 AM Eastern »
I saw that they had to protect Backy for some reason.  The guy I think they will lose will be Sheary.  He is the relentless type of player that you need in the playoffs and has some term at a reasonable cost.  I hate to lose him.


I don't think they take Jensen. Yes, he had a good rebound year and can skate and move the puck, but he is not big enough or strong enough for the playoffs.


Dillion is big enough and strong enough but his defense isn't great and his cap number is bigger than it should be.


So for me, I think they take Sheary, with an outside chance they take Vanacek.  Really hate to lose Sheary.




Nobody has a clue who Seattle will take from the Caps.  I've seen so-called "experts'" draft mocks with Sheary, Jensen, Dillon, Dowd, and Vanacek mentioned.  If there is a argument that the Caps have done well in preparing for this draft, it would be that they have exposed a bunch of middling players with no clear favorite as a piece that would be desirable for Seattle to take to be part of a "core group."  Really -- is there ANY player that the Caps would lose from those they have exposed that would be a crushing blow to the franchise, even in the short term? 

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 12:04:39 PM Eastern »



Nobody has a clue who Seattle will take from the Caps.  I've seen so-called "experts'" draft mocks with Sheary, Jensen, Dillon, Dowd, and Vanacek mentioned.  If there is a argument that the Caps have done well in preparing for this draft, it would be that they have exposed a bunch of middling players with no clear favorite as a piece that would be desirable for Seattle to take to be part of a "core group."  Really -- is there ANY player that the Caps would lose from those they have exposed that would be a crushing blow to the franchise, even in the short term?
Ovechkin. Only because of his ability to fill the arena.

So you agree Carlson is replaceable then. Interesting.


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« Reply #54 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 12:17:39 PM Eastern »

and yet, the organization NEEDS to get better and dump major salary to do so.

I'm curios, Do you have ANY opinions on how they can do that? Or are they supposed to remain stagnant for the joy of the fans in the regular season?




I think Ted Leonsis may be trapped.


When Ovechkin came into the league, Ted promised him that he would do all he could to build a Stanley-Cup-contending team around him, and try to maintain that status to give him as many chances as possible to win Cups.  While one may quibble with the types of teams that have been built to try to accomplish this, to me there is no question that Ted has made a good-faith attempt to keep that promise.  And the franchise did achieve it, once.


Players have come and gone continuously over these past 15 years, but the team has never really "reloaded" or "rebuilt" during that time.  The emphasis has always been on incremental changes to try to shore up weak areas and make the team "just that little bit better."  That is a TOUGH way to build up to a championship -- to try to maintain a core that becomes increasingly expensive and inevitably ages over the years, and find just the right complementary pieces to get over the top. 


To me, there has been one, and only one, exception to that rule, and that was letting Holtby go.  But that decision was driven partially by the Caps finally pricing themselves into a Salary Cap corner, and partially by Holtby's deteriorating performance after 2018.  It seems to me that this past season was the one that the Caps should have taken the opportunity to make some major changes, if they were going to ever do it while Ovechkin was still around.  The combination of having untested goalies, and the uncertainty surrounding how the season would play out due to COVID, made this a time to say "Hey, it isn't going to happen this season.  Let's try to regroup/reload here."  But maybe they couldn't do anything even if they wanted to, because other teams may have pulled in their horns due to COVID uncertainties.  They did make one major move, acquiring Mantha.  Time will tell how that plays out.  But even that really was an incremental rather than a foundational move, because they traded significant draft assets to make it happen.


I think the team needs to take a few steps back to move forward.  But I doubt that it happens until Ovechkin leaves the franchise.   Until then it will be "do everything to maximize the team's capabilities, and spend up to the salary cap to do it."  Once Ovechkin leaves, THEN you will probably see a thorough housecleaning.  And Ted will market it as "The beginning of a new era."

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« Reply #55 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 01:52:21 PM Eastern »
Ovechkin. Only because of his ability to fill the arena.

So you agree Carlson is replaceable then. Interesting.




Uh - I think you missed the phrase "from those they have exposed."


Almost ANYBODY is "replaceable" in the sense that there EXISTS equivalent/comparable talent (or better) somewhere.  I say almost because there is the generational player.  [For over a decade Ovie was irreplaceable as a goal-scorer.  There are comparable, probably better goal-scorers than the current Ovie because Father Time is undefeated.]  But just because a replacement exists somewhere doesn't mean you can obtain that replacement.  So a franchise has to make a decision about keeping or moving on from a player based on the practical possibility of obtaining a suitable replacement, and the assets required to do so.


The Caps could likely replace Carlson in a year or two -- IF they had the first choice in this year's entry-level draft.  But they don't.  Beyond that, who is available via trade or free agency, and what would be the acquisition cost?  We don't know.




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« Reply #56 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 04:19:49 PM Eastern »
BlackIce - great couple of posts. I agree with your assessment of Ted/Caps over the longer term.  He has remained loyal to the core guys which is why we have never seen the Caps make a blockbuster trade. 


I actually think at this point, if he wants to give Ovi another legit shot at a Cup, they need to make a lot of major moves.  The team they have now is old and while I won't say they are slow, they are not fast.  They also just don't have the "win at all cost" type of players that are needed, except a few.  There is no way this team, with ongoing minor tweaks, goes very far in the playoffs.


The problem with making major moves is that we don't have the draft picks and prospects to bargain with, and we are likely to just tread water.


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« Reply #57 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 05:12:28 PM Eastern »
There is no way this team, with ongoing minor tweaks, goes very far in the playoffs.


Only hope is one of our goalies turns into a fucking beast and the team feeds off it for another run. As you said, we don't have enough "win at all cost" players to get it done any other way.

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Re: What happens now.
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 05:35:37 PM Eastern »
Nobody has a clue is about right.  There is so much that goes on behind the scenes (or under the table) that we really will never know.  And we really don't know what kind of plan Krakken has or what deals they may have already made, so it's really hard to know what "type" of guys to protect.


Hate to see Sheary go....or Hathy or Dowd, but in all honesty, none of those guys would be a crushing blow.  Same goes for Dillon, Jensen, SHultz.


I think we need Dillon as he is one of our few "real D" with size and grit, but he's not ....great...and probably a bit overpaid.


We shall see...then we can get on with our upcoming mediocre season.  :raspberry:


I am still curious about the Caps protecting TVR.  I mean maybe he's more attractive in this draft scenario because of his cap hit ($1 mil), but you have a 30 year old, 188 lb Dman who can't break into your lineup, yet He's the one you protect?
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« Reply #59 on: Tuesday July 20, 2021, 07:56:45 PM Eastern »
Agree - heck, the one game they let TVR play, they didn't even give him a minute of ice time.  I guess I would have protected Jensen before him.


Let's hope they give Fehrvay a spot this year.


Really hoping its not Sheary we lose. That guy gave it all he had every game and has the ability to put the puck in the net. I do like that they protected Sprong.