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What happens now.
waynerivers:
I'd probably hold onto Sprong, too, in the absence of any upgrade. He looked pretty good for the most part.
Surreylily:
--- Quote from: waynerivers on Thursday June 03, 2021, 12:53:41 PM Eastern ---Like I said before, the team is too old, slow and, in some cases, soft to make any playoff run or maybe even make the playoffs. I'm thinking particularly of Backstrom, Kuz and Carlson here. Backstrom may have led the team in scoring but that was no check pond hockey. When the playoffs start he's easily neutralized as has happened the last 3 years.
Ovie will be back. I don't see management alienating the fans by having him in another uniform, particularly this management which seems to place keeping "fan favorites" way past their sell date as some sort of priority. Here's my take on the rest of the team:
Forwards- keep Oshie, Wilson, Eller, Dowd, Hathaway and Mantha. The rest can go via trade, expansion draft or release. That includes guys like Sheary and Hagelin who people seem to like but who mainly do a bunch of frantic skating around without much production and they are midgets to boot. Backstrom and Kuz I've already mentioned. I think this is a much better team without them at this point. We need to get younger, faster and tougher overall. You watch Colorado, Tampa and many of the other teams and we look like slow motion in comparison.
Defense- I'd keep Orlov and Dillon. I'd actively look to get rid of Carlson. He's slow as hell, a defensive nightmare, has no toughness and is overrated which is the perfect set up to dump him on some unsuspecting team for players and/or draft picks. The rest can all go one way or another.
Goaltenders- I thought Samsonov kept the Boston series from being even worse than it was. He stood on his head much of the time and I'll forgive him the one bonehead play behind the net. He can develop into one of the better goalies in the league IMO. Vanacek is a capable backup.
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I agree with your keepers, for sure, but I have a diffrerence of opinion after that
I think I migt have been a little too hard on Backus. he's the absolute greateast unsung hero of our team and the best center in the NHL. He iisn't a fighter. Not everybodyy is. different skill sets, but you can't shove him off a puck, especially on the PP. He's not soft, hes just not a fighter.
Similarly with Dylan. His D game has improved immensely over the last few years. It took him about a year and a half to take over Mike greenes slot at point on the PP and learn to feed Ovi those one timers. How long will it take somebody else, if he were to go?
I have only one candidate and I'm sure you'll laugh at me, . but... Smiffy. If we got Smiffy back, I'm sure he could do it. And for cheap as chips! I don't even know where he is now, but hes been around the block a bit. I reckon he'd jump at the chance to be back here and then make the most of it.
I can't see us ever winning a cup with either of our current goalies. :( Sammy's balls haven't dropped yet and he still thinks playing his gameboy is more important.
He's definitely has the more potential of the two, BUT...... We've seen the difference.
They both have the exact same defect though and that's coming so far out of their net.
Unless we get the goalie whisperer back here.... and Sammy somehow gets over puberty and grows a brain.......... Not gonna happen. He has all the talent...... I raise you Sasha Semin... :raspberry:
:'(
Surreylily:
I don't know how the NTC works in relation to expansion teams - does it still apply?
Pretty sure the NTC doesn't come in to play with a new expansion team. How can it? You can't protect yourself from a team that doesn't exist, if you made that list a couple of years or more ago.
I think management protects you, within the boundaries of that selection or you're up for grabs.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: Surreylily on Friday June 04, 2021, 04:22:44 AM Eastern ---I don't know how the NTC works in relation to expansion teams - does it still apply?
Pretty sure the NTC doesn't come in to play with a new expansion team. How can it? You can't protect yourself from a team that doesn't exist, if you made that list a couple of years or more ago.
I think management protects you, within the boundaries of that selection or you're up for grabs.
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A contract is between a player and his team. It can say ANYTHING, as long as the player and the organization agree to it and sign on the dotted line, and any meaning or interpretation of it involves the parties to the contract, not some outside entity.
A contract NTC doesn't have to have a list of teams. If a contract says that the team is forbidden to trade a player to any other NHL franchise for the duration of the contract (or for the first X years of the contract, or whatever), that is what it means. The fact that some other team comes into existence after the contract starts doesn't change the wording -- necessarily. Also, the contract COULD have a list, but in addition, a clause barring a trade to any team that subsequently comes into existence. Or even more restrictively, a contract COULD specify in its NTC that the team cannot trade the player to any other team that exists at the time the contract is signed, or that may come into being subsequent to its signing. Such wording would explicitly address the issue of an expansion team.
Absent that specific a declaration, I suppose anything is possible. I suppose a lawyer could be brought in to argue that unless wording this explicit is in the contract, a legal argument could be made that a "no other franchise" designation does not apply to a team that comes into existence after its signing. Then a counter-argument could be made that, once an expansion team comes into existence it is as much an NHL team as any other franchise, so the NTC prohibition applies to it as well. As a not-legal-scholar, I side with this latter opinion. But who knows what would happen in a court of law?
If we start down the slope of parsing "forbidden to trade," then what if a team relocates and changes its name? Is it the old team in a new jersey? Or is the old team deleted and replaced by a new team, to which the NTC does not apply? That the NTC applies here is probably an easier case to make, because the structure and roster of the team could well be the same as that of the "previous" team.
Now I DO agree that if the contract says that the player cannot be traded to Team X or Team Y or Team Z or ..... and so on, then if a new expansion team comes into existence it is not covered under the NTC restrictions. However, the prohibitions could end with ".... or any team created subsequent to the signing of this contract." In which case trade to the expansion team IS forbidden. The point is, unless we know the precise contractual wording we can't make an informed judgment about what is or is not allowed.
This is an unfortunate reality of the legal system. Legal language is what it is, and it means what it says -- except that holes and uncertainties can be injected into almost any legal language given a lawyer with the right insights -- or the right imagination.
alta:
A few months ago I read that Kuzy has a no trade clause to 15 specific teams. I have yet to see that list though. So if that part is true, that leaves half the league he could be traded to. Also, given its not a blanket NTC, I would think there wasn't a provision put in for expansion teams.
On the face of it, I'd guess it's all the western teams. After Gretzgy was traded to NY he said he could've played another 5 years if his entire career was in the east because of the ease of travel.
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