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2021 Trade Deadline and Roster Moves
richkrt99:
20 minute Mantha highlight reel....
Beaglefan2:
Don't dislike Mantha but why is it the Caps always seem to overpay at the trade deadline? If it took a 2nd round pick to get them to take Paniks contract, then we gave a first and Vrana for Mantha. Yes, Mantha has two more years of term than Vrana, but I just think we overpaid. I actually liked Panik. He worked hard and would throw some checks pretty often - he just couldn't put the puck in the net enough.
So who sits if Raffl is starting? Sprong? If so, I hate to see that.
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 03:02:35 PM Eastern ---Don't dislike Mantha but why is it the Caps always seem to overpay at the trade deadline? If it took a 2nd round pick to get them to take Paniks contract, then we gave a first and Vrana for Mantha. Yes, Mantha has two more years of term than Vrana, but I just think we overpaid. I actually liked Panik. He worked hard and would throw some checks pretty often - he just couldn't put the puck in the net enough.
So who sits if Raffl is starting? Sprong? If so, I hate to see that.
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I think most teams "buying" will generally overpay a bit. And I don't think you can break it down to simple a + B + c = D exactly. It took a combination of things, and NO WAY would Detroit trade Mantha straight up for Vranna. I do think we overpaid a bit, but I think Mantha will be a much better fit for this squad. Yes we got bigger (and slower) as someone else posted, but a speedy Vrana didn't add up to much other than some highlight break away moments. Pretty and exciting - very much so when it happened, but other than that not a big enough plus for this team. I think Mantha is a good fit for what the Caps wanted so he was "worth" more to the Caps than maybe some other teams.
Also, I don't think Panik was bad, he did hustle and hit, but they needed to move salary so....that's what happens
And I don't think it was a bad unbalanced trade.
We shall see how Mantha works out. If he turns out to be a lazy bum, then it will look bad later, but who knows.
And Raffl is on IR for now so we don't have to worry about how to make room for him at the moment.
I miss Siegs already :'( . Them moving Siegs tells me they think by the time we would have needed him...Kempny will be back or Fever or Alexeyev will be ready.
I think Ziggy was one the Caps most responsible D last year.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday April 13, 2021, 07:18:04 AM Eastern ---But see, a game like is shown in the video you posted doesn't answer questions about intensity and consistency, it raises them. It shows one 4-goal game, isolated, by a guy who in his best years has been a 20+ goal scorer. That ONE game shows massive talent. Why doesn't total performance add up to more than what his stats say he is?
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. What I do see is you trying to twist the context of footage showing he has one of the harder shots in league to support the bullshit you heard about "consistency". "But see", not once did I mention that there.
We get it, you already hate Mantha because you think it will make you look smart
Besides, Mantha in low game, still plays harder than most of The Caps over the years, namely Kuzy & Carlson
BlackIce:
I don't hate Mantha. You really like to put words in people's mouths that they don't say.
I just mentioned that word from Detroit and the league is that he has been inconsistent and his effort level has been reported as lower than expected at times. I'm sure the Caps made this trade figuring to get a player who is much more motivated now that he is playing important games. Otherwise, they way, way overpaid.
Now if Glendening had been included in the trade, it would have been much more even, though the team really wouldn't have room for both him and Dowd. If I'm going to judge whether word I hear from professionals around the league, including from the team that he has played for, will carry more or less weight than the opinions you express, you can probably guess which way I'm going.
I personally don't think this was a year to go all in the way the Caps did, because the playoffs are going to be a crapshoot at best given that they go into the playoffs with Zero experience in net. There is another problem with acquiring Mantha, not for now but down the line: His salary cap hit for the next 3 years will be $5.7 million. That isn't ridiculously exorbitant, but it makes the Caps' salary structure even more top-heavy than it already is. The Caps are going to be really squeezed to fill out a viable roster within the cap. It looks as though they are going to have to offload someone like Oshie or Orlov somehow to make it work. Of course, going even bigger and offloading a Kuznetsov or Carlson would go a long way toward relieving the logjam, but I just don't see the organization doing that.
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