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alta:
--- Quote from: zerofox on Friday February 28, 2020, 07:56:06 AM Eastern ---
Plenty of coaches available. Laviolette, Gallant, Boudreau, DeBoer, and a handful of others. Not saying we'd want them all, but they pretty much all are more experienced than TR.
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BB will never be a coach of OV again, garunteed
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: alta on Friday February 28, 2020, 10:13:35 AM Eastern ---
BB will never be a coach of OV again, garunteed
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Agree 100%
richkrt99:
You guys are all high and living in Fantasy Land if you think TR will be fired this season/
What viable reason would you give for firing? Stating "because he sucks" is not a viable reason.
What grounds do you have for firing the guy? Because the Caps are in lowly 1st place in the division? Because they are only 3rd in the entire NHL?
Oh, maybe because our superstar Ovi is struggling mightily with this system and can't score goals and draw in fans anymore?
You don't fire a guy cause he's tall and goofy and the board fans don't like him. If there was a team dynamic that caused the players to turn on him, then okay, but that has NOT happened with this team.
I don't believe TR is a great coach. I never liked the choice, but understand the process and commitment the team made to him.
Having said that, there's no way they fire him at this point in the season based on the level of success (more importantly standings points) the team has this year.
The caps have 18 games left. What veteran coach would want to come in at this point to a team that fired a head coach that was in 1st place? What effective changes could he make with essentially 4 weeks left in the season? Not saying it isn't possible, but it won't happen.
For better or worse, the Caps are committed to the horse they rode in on at this point.
I doubt very much the Caps would even fire TR after we fail to progress in the playoffs (again).
PUCKNRUSH:
I’m gonna try to form a response covering the last posts from Lily, Zero, and Rich, in this post.
So, Lily asks me WHO, would I replace Rierden with?
Zero says Rierden is standing in the way, or hurting our chances at getting another Cup, and
Rich, says we’re committed too deeply to Rierden, already, as a franchise, AND that the Caps high position, both in the Metro, and the entire league, counters any justification for firing him!
Now, let me step back a bit, before replying, in order to apply my ages old theory, that the Caps PLAYERS, basically DO WHAT THEY WANT, this is IRREGARDLESS, of ANYONE, who is Head Coach!!
This applies to the Caps players overall commitment level, motivation, effort output, lack of energy, ability/desire of execution, etc.......it does NOT apply to, game plan, opponent assessment, PK/PP strategy, and other CONCRETE coaching duties, that COACHES are also responsible for!
My claim has ALWAYS been that NO COACH, can change these guys attitudes, with any noticeable reliability! Attempting to change the “mental core” of this team, is like trying to UNSPOIL an 18 year old, AFTER they’ve been extremely SPOILED for the first 17 years of their childhood!!
Ever tried it, or seen any parents who have attempted to do it???
IT AINT HAPPENING, PERIOD!!! That is the reality!
With this backdrop, we now respond to Lily, Zero, and Rich’s posts:
First, to Rich. I agree that Rierden will not be fired! He is NOT going anywhere for the exact reasons you state!! This also, however, has nothing to do with whether he is an innocuous, meaningless, coach!
I happen to believe that the caps being in first place, OR if they were in last place in the division, would have not much to do with Rierdens effect on the team! In other words, the CAPS are leading the division now, because they WANT to, themselves! And I admit this is a unique characteristic to only a FEW elite teams in the NHL, who have the unique ability to do this, in the first place!
To Zero, I, of course, like you, think Rierden sucks, BUT, I don’t think TR stands in the way of whether we get another Cup, or not!
I also feel that a different Head Coach, would NOT change our chances of getting a Cup, one way or the other!
My contention IS, that the only barrier standing in the way of us getting a Cup this year, are the PLAYERS THEMSELVES, and whether or not they want to conform their attitudes together, and commit to it, as they did in 2018! I believe only they, the players, know!
And as fickle, and difficult, as it is to win the Stanley Cup, even if the players DO all commit to it in the playoffs, and are basically on the same page, it doesn’t GUARANTEE a Cup, but just makes the chances of getting one much more likely, for us!
To Lily, as to WHO, would be a good replacement for Rierden?
As odd as my answer may seem, I feel it’s consistent with my prior comments on the subject. For me, the true answer is.....NOBODY!! It simply doesn’t matter WHO is in the head-coaching spot, for us, in particular, for the very reasons I’ve stated!
I believe that the majority of this teams problems, even mostly the problem with their poor defensive skills, as a whole, originate from MENTAL...motivation/effort/complacent/laziness issues!! I don’t think there is any coach, anywhere, that can solve this huge, historical, and deeply dug in, problem!
I think it gets resolved ONLY when the teams leaders, and players, DECIDE, that week, or that night, or for that period, that they are going to STEP IT UP!
We’ve seen this happen OVER and OVER again!!
In THEORY, it SHOULD, be resolvable by good, strong, disciplined, coaching!!
In PRACTICAL REALITY, We, as fans, have witnessed, with our OWN EYES, over several of the last seasons, with both Trotz, and Rierden, that IT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED AT ALL?
I personally, have seen enough proof, And am out of patience to wait for any more proof, and therefore don’t have the EXPECTATIONS, that this huge issue could EVER be resolved by coaching!
Our CORE is just too cocky and full of themselves, at the heart of it, EVEN THOUGH they are generally considered, and rightfully so, a very WINNING hockey team!!
Rush
KollieOlizig:
--- Quote from: Surreylily on Thursday February 27, 2020, 11:50:05 PM Eastern ---It took Trotz 3 years to get our team to a Stanley Cup and he was an experienced Head Coach. Many people on here were questioning HIM and calling for HIS head, remember??? Remember?
Jump off that bandwgon luv and THINK.
We WILL make the playoffs. if we didn't, then there is that dsicussion.
HOW we do in the playoffs is another.
Now is the most stupid time to talk about firiing an HC.
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Definitely not the time to be replacing your head coach. But I wouldn't comparing our coach to Trotz. Trotz took over a very undisciplined team and turned them into a very good defensive team as soon as he got there. Infact one of his seasons here we allowed the fewest goals in the NHL. As soon as Reirden took over we went back to that undisciplined team.
I would have no problem at all if Reirden was fired. I didn't like him as our coach from the get go. Probably because I was Trotz supporter and liked his coaching style.
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