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New Lines
« on: Saturday January 20, 2018, 09:20:21 PM Eastern »
Based on practice today it appears that Trotz is shaking up the lines for tomorrow’s game against the Flyers.  The 1st line has Ovie playing with Kuzy and Wilson.  The 2nd line has Backstrom centering Burakovsky and Oshie which as I recall was how it was in the beginning of the season.  The 3rd line has Eller centering Connolly and Stephenson and the 4th line appears to be Beagle centering Smith-Pelly and either Chiasson or Vrana as they were rotating during line rushes today. 
 
In a way I hate to see him break up the Connolly, Eller, Oshie line because that line was on fire.  It is also interesting that he is separating Ovie and Backstrom.  I doubt whether that will last long.  I am happy to see Burakovsky playing in the top 6.  He played well last night and had several quality scoring chances, it is a shame he didn’t convert any of them.  It was good to see him skating hard and getting open.  Finally, I don’t see Vrana staying on the 4th line or healthy scratch for long.


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Re: New Lines
« Reply #1 on: Saturday January 20, 2018, 10:47:23 PM Eastern »
thanks for the report, I was considering going to practice today but couldn't get things in order in time
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Re: New Lines
« Reply #2 on: Saturday January 20, 2018, 11:25:53 PM Eastern »
Based on practice today it appears that Trotz is shaking up the lines for tomorrow’s game against the Flyers.  The 1st line has Ovie playing with Kuzy and Wilson.  The 2nd line has Backstrom centering Burakovsky and Oshie which as I recall was how it was in the beginning of the season.  The 3rd line has Eller centering Connolly and Stephenson and the 4th line appears to be Beagle centering Smith-Pelly and either Chiasson or Vrana as they were rotating during line rushes today. 
 
In a way I hate to see him break up the Connolly, Eller, Oshie line because that line was on fire.  It is also interesting that he is separating Ovie and Backstrom.  I doubt whether that will last long.  I am happy to see Burakovsky playing in the top 6.  He played well last night and had several quality scoring chances, it is a shame he didn’t convert any of them.  It was good to see him skating hard and getting open.  Finally, I don’t see Vrana staying on the 4th line or healthy scratch for long.
   This is very close to lines I was hoping for.

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Re: New Lines
« Reply #3 on: Monday January 22, 2018, 07:08:27 PM Eastern »
I wish they’d do this more, in fact I wish to hell they’d do this way more.


The Caps blind devotion to Pavlovian Business Theory of “Lines” certainly is a significant factors on sloppy plays, turnovers, 60 shot games while scoring one goal, and bad games in general.


The more you keep the same players in same groupie doing the same plays, the more data you give to the opponent to devise systems to beat and disrupt it.  Making t that much easier for them to play you.

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Re: New Lines
« Reply #4 on: Monday January 22, 2018, 07:12:33 PM Eastern »
I wish they’d do this more, in fact I wish to hell they’d do this way more.


The Caps blind devotion to Pavlovian Business Theory of “Lines” certainly is a significant factors on sloppy plays, turnovers, 60 shot games while scoring one goal, and bad games in general.


The more you keep the same players in same groupie doing the same plays, the more data you give to the opponent to devise systems to beat and disrupt it.  Making t that much easier for them to play you.


I don't think that's the issue with this team
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Re: New Lines
« Reply #5 on: Monday January 22, 2018, 07:58:45 PM Eastern »

I don't think that's the issue with this team
Well not the only, but the perdictabiliy of personal, their routines, and tendencies certainly are, and teams are exploiting it.


When toedtags become turnovers, passes being jumped. multiple SOG without goals as the goalies are one step ahead, a large part of that is from scouting and exploiting the weakness in routines.


This is assuredly is part of what is causing the mental breakdowns we see.   




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Re: New Lines
« Reply #6 on: Monday January 22, 2018, 08:14:09 PM Eastern »
Well not the only, but the perdictabiliy of personal, their routines, and tendencies certainly are, and teams are exploiting it.


When toedtags become turnovers, passes being jumped. multiple SOG without goals as the goalies are one step ahead, a large part of that is from scouting and exploiting the weakness in routines.


This is assuredly is part of what is causing the mental breakdowns we see.   
    I agree. I think our biggest problems have turnovers on toedrags, drop passes at the blue line and the worst is the no look pass from the corner to the slot which usually ends up in an odd man rush the other way. Kuzy has been very guilty of all of those plays. So have Burakovsky and Eller although Eller has been more successful than the other 2.
   Oshie cane Backstrom are really struggling. Not sure what's wrong with either of them. Oshie can't seem to control the puck at all and whiffs every time he has a chance at a onetimer. I think Backstrom's problem has been more about how teams are defending him. Because he is so patient and such a good passer teams tended to back off but this year it seems teams are playing more aggressive forcing him to make a play before he wants to. He will need to adjust.

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Re: New Lines
« Reply #7 on: Monday January 22, 2018, 08:35:53 PM Eastern »
Well not the only, but the perdictabiliy of personal, their routines, and tendencies certainly are, and teams are exploiting it.


When toedtags become turnovers, passes being jumped. multiple SOG without goals as the goalies are one step ahead, a large part of that is from scouting and exploiting the weakness in routines.


This is assuredly is part of what is causing the mental breakdowns we see.   


yea, but this has more to do with the core group, 1: not skating/coasting/being lazy, and B: not improving upon their skill set/relying on what got them the job 4,5,10 years ago
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Re: New Lines
« Reply #8 on: Monday January 22, 2018, 09:27:39 PM Eastern »
   I dont think the majority of players are going to be able to improve their skill set at this point in their careers. You have a very good point about lazy play and coasting. There is way too much of that. Some guys really need to improve their hockey IQ.

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Re: New Lines
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday January 23, 2018, 08:47:59 AM Eastern »
I whole haryedly agreed with both of you.  I am just suggesting that lack of change results in easy preparation for the other teams, making us easier to play against.  I’m suggesting  both acts as a catalyst and exvellerant to these issues we agree on.


However, as both cited, hockey IQ is assuredly another major issue.  Which could make doing what I’m suggesting quite difficult and why it’s not done a lot.  For example, if trots sent out Ovie, Beagke, and Bura, three players who have not played together much recently, Ovie would probably get pissed,  Buras head would would explode, (not mentions the fans/commentators), while Beagle would probably say what play are we running?
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Re: New Lines
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday January 23, 2018, 10:37:16 AM Eastern »
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For example, if trots sent out Ovie, Beagke, and Bura, three players who have not played together much recently, Ovie would probably get pissed,  Buras head would would explode, (not mentions the fans/commentators), while Beagle would probably say what play are we running?


this funny because it's true :-(
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