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The Calm Before the Storm
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: alta on Thursday November 05, 2020, 05:48:23 PM Eastern ---
speak for yourself, the absolute hardest thing to get for about two years after sandy hook was .22LR
and primers. I learned that lesson, and it won’t be repeated.
no, I’m not selling any either. Things really need to hit the oscillating device before I’d consider sharing
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What powder do you use for standard target pistol loads? I'm using good ole 231 currently. (well I'm just a beginner) I'm loading 357 mag and 45acp and 9mm. Well so far just 357 but I WILL be loading the 45 and 9 also. Originally I had not planned on loading 9mm but it so friggin expensive and I have lots of 9mm brass so....
Anyway, I started with 231 because it's tried and true and I can use it for all three.
I also will be loading .223 and .308....eventually
But I'm certainly interested to listen to the wisdom of others
(especially that of my elders) :snicker:
alta:
--- Quote from: richkrt99 on Thursday November 05, 2020, 06:21:20 PM Eastern ---
What powder do you use for standard target pistol loads? I'm using good ole 231 currently. (well I'm just a beginner) I'm loading 357 mag and 45acp and 9mm. Well so far just 357 but I WILL be loading the 45 and 9 also. Originally I had not planned on loading 9mm but it so friggin expensive and I have lots of 9mm brass so....
Anyway, I started with 231 because it's tried and true and I can use it for all three.
I also will be loading .223 and .308....eventually
But I'm certainly interested to listen to the wisdom of others
(especially that of cmy elders) :snicker:
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As far as handguns go, I use Win 296 in all the revolvers and the .50AE. I went with that because it burns a little cleaner than most. In the semi autos I use True Blue from Ram Shot. For the sake of simplicity I use magnum primers in all the handguns, and will probably move all the rifle loads over to them as well. The last time I bought primers the magnums and the regulars were the same exact price. I dont make dedicated target loads for the revolvers, but I do for the 10, .40 and .45. Primarily because I don't want to beat up those guns with a steady diet of +P/+P+. I don't reload for the 9, I rarely shoot it.
Using the 296 was a recommendation from a friend who's been reloading about 50 different calibers for about 35 years. One time he gave me some hot .45 colt loads he made and I commented on how clean they burned. You won't get that black muzzle like you just shit a box of Winchester white box.
I might have two pounds of long shot I would get rid of. I bought that for the 10mm right before I switched it over to True Blue
also, since you say you are new at this, get reloading manuals from multiple sources. I find the ones from bullet manufacturers to be more useful that the ones I have from the powder manufacturers. All the information is available on the respective websites, but I find having the book to be more useful. I've got the hornady, speer, nosler, lyman, hogdon, ramshot and lee books. Don't get rid of the old ones either. There are recipes in the older editions that aren't in the newer ones, useful if you have older guns of oddball caliber. The gun forums are great places for information too, there's always someone willing to help with accurate information.
as far loadings go for the three you mentioned, my recipes are:
.357- 158 gr XTP bullet with 15.7 gr of 296, that should get about 1250 fps in a handgun. I could go
hotter but that load works well in the lever gun as well
.45acp- 230 gr round nose bullet with 7.6 gr of True Blue for the range
230 gr XTP with 7.8 gr of True Blue for all else, I'd even be confident taking bambi with
that at less than 35 yards
A few more things to keep in mind, the maximum powder load is rarely the most accurate, and identical loads don't equal identical performance from identical guns. When you start loading for accuracy, like multiple rounds through one hole accuracy, you will need to try different powders, different powder charges, different primers, different bullet weights, different bullet manufacturers and even different brass manufacturers. They all will change the point of impact.
and I get yer elder right here :)
richkrt99:
--- Quote from: alta on Thursday November 05, 2020, 07:03:00 PM Eastern ---I use Win 296 in all the revolvers and the .50AE. I went with that because it burns a little cleaner than most. In the semi autos I use True Blue from Ram Shot. For the sake of simplicity I use magnum primers in all the handguns, and will probably move all the rifle loads over to them as well. The last time I bought primers the magnums and the regulars were the same exact price. I dont make dedicated target loads for the revolvers, but I do for the 9, 10, .40 and .45. Primarily because I don't want to beat up those guns with a steady diet of +P/+P+.
Using the 296 was a recommendation from a friend who's been reloading about 50 different calibers for about 35 years. One time he gave me some hot .45 colt loads he made and I commented on how clean they burned. You won't get that black muzzle like you just shit a box of Winchester white box.
I might have two pounds of long shot I would get rid of. I bought that for the 10mm right before I switched it over to True Blue
also, since you say you are new at this, get reloading manuals from multiple sources. I find the ones from bullet manufacturers to be more useful that the ones I have from the powder manufacturers. All the information is available on the respective websites, but I find having the book to be more useful. I've got the hornady, speer, nosler, lyman, hogdon, ramshot and lee books. Don't get rid of the old ones either. There are recipes in the older editions that aren't in the newer ones. The gun forums are great places for information too, there's always someone willing to help with accurate information
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Awesome. Thanks.
I'm starting slow. I've been reading and researching for a year or so and finally "bit the bullet" and bought the press in August. It's been sitting for couple months waiting on me to build me a good bench and finally did that and just mounted and set up the press couple weeks ago. Well...I've been setting it up for couple weeks. Fortunately I have been collecting reload supplies for quite some time. Primers were the hardest to come by. I have been conversing with several experienced loaders for quite a while too. Started more for a hobby I wanted to learn and thought I would enjoy and learn for years to come. I haven't really been looking forward to anything as much as this in a long time. I started with the progressive because I want to learn to load for 6 calibers I shoot and be able to swap back and forth easily. That and nearly all my shooting is plinking so the reality of needing super critical accuracy for anything beyond 500 yards is really not in my plans. I know my shooting would be the weakest point of that endeavor anyway. I figured I was mechanically competent enough to start with the progressive. (well....let's not say mechanically competent, let's say I can reasonably understand the process and how the mechanics of the machine and the dies work. I am pretty happy with the press so far. Surprised a little at the precision - just never really got into the nuts and bolts of the ammo and process before.. Although without watching about 200 reloading videos the last year I would have had a couple head scratches moments with a few things.
I do have a newer hornady reloading manual and found an old one at a used book store recently, but the damn thing was priced higher than a new one so I left it alone...and it was in really poor shape. I prefer a book to a website any day...but I haven't expanded my manual library yet.
I actually had 296 on my list of powders I would buy, But I could not find it when I went looking. I found the 231 at Chantilly gun show (ugh). I also bought a pound of IMR4064 to load the .223 and .308, but thought I would start with the straight necks first. Actually found LP and SPM primers there...$39/1000 which aint great, but pretty great right now if you absolutely needed them like I did.
I also read some good articles (one by an old guy) who raved about the True Blue as excellent in everything (well within reason) but pretty well suited for my needs. Now if only I could find it.....
I only have the one revolver and everything else is autos.
So far I've only set up the .357 dies and started there. I actually don't have the 45ACP dies yet....(can't find them). I have Hornady die for the 357 and RCBS dies for the 9mm. The 9mm took me 3 months to actually get and only then from a contact a made in Colorado (bought some reload stuff from him) and he was in a farm supply store and saw they had them and called me on the spot and grabbed them for me...very nice)
Gun forums have been excellent sources of info...been "researching" and reading through reloading for some time prepping for my start. Bought couple new reloading basic books too.
My timing isn't really the best for starting this endeavor and looking for supplies :wackysmile:
So where do you buy most of your reloading supplies? I found Natches is has been pretty good on price, but right now nobody seems to have anything in stock (well anything I still need). Plus shipping powder and primers is kind of pricey (like you can find them anyway).
(hit the damn backspace key and everything here on down will be wiggy)
Guess I should have just PM'd this but oh well.
Thanks for the insights.
By the way....bought two new guns recently...Henry .357 in the all weather-stainless. (my first Henry) and it is really sweet.....(which is why all the .357 reload chatter above). I also have a Ruger .357 mag GP100 6" stainless ...which was my first pistol ever owned...30+ years ago....but basically why I went with the Henry in .357
and finally.....just this week actually (and have not picked it up yet)...
Colt Gold Cup Trophy 1911, stainless (.45ACP). Been wanting this gun for as long as I can remember (well...pretty much true of all the guns I own) Used...but almost new. Owner swears it has less than 50 rounds through it and has been his safe queen for 15 years.
Sounds like I'm a stainless nut, but not so...all my other guns are "normal" :wackysmile:
Sorry for such a long post....got all excited. Thanks for the input.
alta:
I haven't bought anything in the last 4-5 months, haven't needed to. But, I've preferred to buy the stuff I've needed with cash, so, the Chantilly show which I don't think is that bad if you know what your looking for, Cabbelas in Gainesville, and I drive down to Richmond a couple three times a year to go to Bass Pro and Greentop. Mail order varies, but for supplies I use midway and brownells. My only complaint with midway is their shipping boxes. I would prefer things be shipped a bit more discreetly.
ETA...
It doesn't take very many rounds to put that primer circle on the breach face around the firing pin hole(maybe 25). I've bought quite a few things that didn't have that circle but were technically used. Guns quite literally last forever in the civilian world if you keep it from rusting while in storage. Buying used is no big deal.
ArJunaZ:
‘The Hammer’ And ‘Scorecard’: Weapons Of Mass (Vote) Manipulation?
This is important.Steve Bannon interviewing General McInerney yesterday on a sophisticated NSA program named HAMMER. It's a SigInt program modified by Obama named SCORECARD based on a Joseph Stalin vote manipulation mechanism. It is being used to create a red mirage for Trump and then rack up votes for Biden during the count.
"THE HAMMER includes an exploit application known as SCORECARD that is capable of hacking into elections and stealing the vote.", according to CIA contractor-turned-whistleblower Dennis Montgomery, who designed and built THE HAMMER.
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And this
https://www.technocracy.news/the-hammer-and-scorecard-weapons-of-mass-vote-manipulation/?fbclid=IwAR1dGHOBLVJZp-lnLhdwmCg-jgQzECfvjrV8nuNaU7HpGEACclJ4HtB5Xn4
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