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Re: Off Season
« Reply #120 on: Thursday July 25, 2019, 01:01:27 PM Eastern »
that one is done....


https://novacapsfans.com/2019/07/24/arbitrator-awards-capitals-christian-djoos-with-one-year-1-25-million-contract/


Well now -- THIS is a problem.  I suspect the Caps went into arb with an offer that kept them just under the salary cap, Djoos went in with $1.25M, and the arbiter agreed with him. 


Interesting that a guy as peripheral as Djoos could get that much in arbitration.  But beyond that of course, the contract puts the Caps more than $300K over the salary cap, and Stephenson is sitting out there with arbitration rights as well.  We could be upwards of $1.5M over the cap by the time this is done, with neither one of them alone able to be eliminated to get the club under the cap.  This is not a problem now -- the team is allowed to be over the salary cap during the summer, and for that matter, during training camp as well.  But once rosters are finalized just before the regular season starts, the Caps have to have their roster under the cap.  The article suggested that the Caps "might" have to shed a salary to conform with the salary cap.  Well, duh!!  They'll have to do SOMETHING.


So what does the team do?


(1)  The problem could conceivably solve itself, temporarily at least, if a major player on the team were injured and had to go on Long Term Injured Reserve.  Then the Caps would receive an exemption to the salary cap equal to the player's cap hit to bring in replacement player(s).  In that scenario (say, Oshie wasn't ready to go at the beginning of the season), all of Djoos, Stephenson, and some callup or other forward replacement for Oshiie could fit within his $5.75M cap hit.  But eventually, when Oshie was ready to return the team would have to get back under the cap, so such an injury would delay but not eliminate the problem.  NOTE:  Even, say, a Kempny injury wouldn't be enough to cover Djoos, the anticipated cost of Stephenson, AND a callup or other replacement for Kempny -- his salary isn't high enough.


(2)  So if, alternatively, someone would have to go, replaced by a lower-price player to create the necessary salary cap space, who are the most likely candidates? 


The Caps could flip Garnet Hathawy, sign a Jaskin or similar for near league minimum, and save about $750K.  But that wouldn't be enough to cover both Djoos and Stephenson.  You'd still have to ditch Stephenson, and you'd have the black eye of signing a UFA and then ditching them.  I don't think the Haiglin or Panik is going anywhere.  The other 4th line signee is close to league minimum, so nothing is to be gained by ditching him.


The Caps could trade Copley for, say, a low draft pick, and use Vanacek to back up Holtby.  But that would save less than $400K, which would barely cover Djoos, and would foul up the goalie exposure strategy the Caps have in place for the upcoming expansion draft.


Could Oshie be moved?  Probably not for any value given his contract and injury history. 


Eller is a conceivable, I guess.  But the club likes its center depth and thinks it is crucial to the team's chances going forward.  Not likely to be moved.  Do you really want Boyd and Dowd to be the 3rd and 4th line centers?  One is OK.  Both in the lineup is a longer-term problem, and neither makes enough money to move the needle on the problem.


Vrana and Wilson are going nowhere.


Which among the forwards, leaves Kuzy, Ovie, and Backstrom.  I doubt Kuzy could be moved for anything more than 10 cents on the dollar given his contract and the Caps won't do that given their commitment to him.  Ovie is untouchable.  Might the Caps conceivably part with Backstrom in the last year of his contract, essentially giving up on the season?  Doesn't seem likely, but who knows?


Among the defensemen, like him or not, Carlson anchors the defense and is going nowhere.  Orlov looks like the big target here, but who is going to give anything for that contract given last year's performance?  Kempny and Jensen are relative bargains, so probably stay.  Seigenthaler is all upside and minimum cost, so he's going nowhere.  The other possible move is to move Gudas, say for a draft pick since you'd get little for him in trade, and bring up a Hershey D or someone you sign off the NHL scrap heap for close to minimum salary.  But would the club do that so soon after SAVING cap room by getting him in exchange for Niskanen?  I suspect not.


The other BIG fix to the problem would be to trade Holtby for some lower-cost goalie, or something else, and bring up Samsanov, essentially rolling the dice on the goaltending now rather than assessing the goaltending over the upcoming season and making the decision at the deadline.


It could well be that the end of the summer for the Caps will be more active than usual.


 


                                                                                               

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #121 on: Thursday July 25, 2019, 03:12:45 PM Eastern »
If it were me, I'd trade Dylan for draft picks
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Re: Off Season
« Reply #122 on: Thursday July 25, 2019, 03:29:41 PM Eastern »
Sounds like maybe the Caps KNOW someone isn't going to be ready, (I assume that would have to be Kempny) but that only solves the dollars issue short term.  That and they got F'd by arbitration.  Djoos aint worth 1.25 mil.  Not unless he put on 30 lbs which brings him up to a whopping 185lbs.  I mean, with the current D situation, I was figuring let Djoos go and just rely on Ziggy and bring up Lewington or such for the 7th D man.  Sooner or later, they younger D guys are going to have to get some real playing time.


Djoos has performed better than (I expected) due to his size, but you just can't get away from that being an issue.  He is either going to get exposed (ahem....playoffs) or flat out killed in the NHL sooner or later.  He seems to be smart enough and good stick skills, but asking a 160lb guy to clear Malkin out of the crease or knock him off the puck in the corner is a bit of a stretch.



Currently, with Djoos they are over only by about $300k, I think.  ($314,294 - without Stevo)

What if Stevo gets moved to Hershey and the caps have a 22 man roster? Hershey roster players don't count vs the Cap can they?


I think maybe the Caps were thinking Djoos arbitration would come in at more like $950k?....(which they had exactly $935,706 to work with).  The guy made $650k last year and arbitration doubled that?  That's a little much all things considered.  You can say he was underpaid last year, strictly based on amount of playing time, but not by half.


That and the Caps and everyone else was figuring the cap to be a little higher than it turned out, so the margins are that much closer.







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Re: Off Season
« Reply #123 on: Thursday July 25, 2019, 03:32:50 PM Eastern »
If it were me, I'd trade Dylan for draft picks some ammo


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Re: Off Season
« Reply #124 on: Thursday July 25, 2019, 07:33:14 PM Eastern »
What makes Djoos' contract so special? If they need to move someone, move HIM..

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #125 on: Thursday July 25, 2019, 08:05:48 PM Eastern »
What makes Djoos' contract so special? If they need to move someone, move HIM..


He's special cause we are short on D and Djoos is the perfect specimen of prototypical NHL dman:  155lbs of Swedish meatball  :P
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Re: Off Season
« Reply #126 on: Friday July 26, 2019, 12:45:01 AM Eastern »
I haven’t had a big problem with Djoos in the lineup, and am ok with the signing.
Absolutely Djoos is tiny, as far as D men go, but he seems to be quite aware of it, and modifies his play accordingly.
His biggest strength is in having an EXCELLENT, defensive, hockey IQ. He is also a very quick decision maker! Two qualities that many on our defense, BADLY LACK!  We’ve seen this over and over!


My guess is that, he was FORCED to have to prioritize, and rely on his hockey smarts, and snap decisions, in order to JUST survive, given his size, and realizing that, from his teenage years on, that most all of the other boys that were advancing with him, through the ranks, were growing bigger and stronger, while he remained smaller!


This type of player either EVOLVES and survives, or he DOESNT. The fact that he survives at the pro level, suggests, and obviously his coaches agree, that he has found a way!


When I think more about it, observing Djoos’s size would make an easy prediction for anyone, that he would just get knocked all around, and be like an ineffective, little wet puppy, shivering over in some small corner of the ice....


ON THE CONTRARY!! In reality, you rarely, if ever, see this happening to Djoos. He smartly avoids these situations, (again, learned survival), plays quite astutely, and actually ranks among our top Dmen, in reliably bringing up the puck from our end! Which by the way, was one of our BIGGEST defensive issues last year!! Most of our defensemen, rank BELOW Djoos in this category!


Secondly, Rich is right, in that Djoos can’t clear the crease very well, however I don’t believe the coaches expect that role out of Djoos!
Djoos isn’t much of a defensive “man-mover” either. But he makes up for it often with swiftness, and anticipation of movement!
I have to also ask, which D men do we have, all of which are larger than Djoos, that actually clear creases?? Orpik was ok at it, he’s gone. The pathetic answer is NOBODY! Nobody clears the crease well on our team! And we get killed by it, often!!


Lastly, IMO, it seems that so many of the goals scored against us, from a defensive perspective, came as a result of either, stupid penalties, failure to reliably clear the puck, bone head decisions/communication between defensemen, or lack of defensive EFFORT!


These specific defensive issues, however, are not the issues that we see plague Mr. Djoos!  He does have HIS weaknesses, to be sure, but not, so much, in the areas of our markedly, more harmful, defensive issues! This explains why the coaches keep him around.


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Re: Off Season
« Reply #127 on: Friday July 26, 2019, 09:51:05 AM Eastern »
Good post Rush.  I'd grudgingly agree with your assessment on Juice.  He has learned to be effective at parts of the game he can survive in.  He is effective at "his" game.  He positioning is good.  I am sure that's why mgmt/coaching likes him.  He just isn't the D-man on my wish list. 
I will agree ALOT of the Caps D problem is clearing the zone - its not the initial rush, its the inability to move the puck up and out that seems to plaque us.  They get hemmed in and then do something stupid with the puck.  That's not all on the D guys either.  However, having a smaller sized D is only going exacerbate the problem of retrieving a lost puck.  Djoos simply can't take it back - he positions himself well to defend it, but simply cannot just go take it away.  Not sure why our coaching staff has not developed some schemes to help clear the puck better (with whatever talent pool they have available).  I realize we have to work with what we have.


I'm just a little surprised at the $1.25m.  I mean I guess Arbitration shoots for middle ground, but Juice's corner asking for $1.9m is a joke, all things considered.  A fairly unproven, seriously injured 24 year old 160 lb D guy, who did struggle last season....seems like a stretch.  I would have been okay with an even $1m for him at this point in his "career"


I looked up a few stats on him - He is an overall +24 in plus/minus in 108 NHL games.  His corsi numbers are pretty even (neither good or bad).  He is upside down on giveaways vs take aways with  23 take aways and 55 give away.
Now, I am not a real stat guy and don't even know if that TK vs GV stat is average or below average for a NHL d man, but I would think that's not great....especially for a guy on a good team.
He does have 100+ games of NHL experience, so there's something.  His playoff stats are much worse, but also not as large of a sample pool, but 22/25 of his playoff games were during the Stanley Cup year, so his playoff numbers should be better.
 
I looked up Orlov's numbers for comparison...and Orlov's stats are better....especially if you add in Hits and blocked shots.  I realize not the same type of player, but Orly was the first one I think of when it comes to stupid turnovers in our own end.


Anyway, not really knocking Juice, but think $1.25 is about 20% too much for him, all things considered.  But then, WTF do I know.




For what its worth, I went back and looked up team corsi for the Caps last year and it was 49.0, so Juice at 48.8 that year means he is about at the team average.

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #128 on: Friday July 26, 2019, 06:15:54 PM Eastern »
Sounds like maybe the Caps KNOW someone isn't going to be ready, (I assume that would have to be Kempny) but that only solves the dollars issue short term.  That and they got F'd by arbitration.  Djoos aint worth 1.25 mil.  Not unless he put on 30 lbs which brings him up to a whopping 185lbs.  I mean, with the current D situation, I was figuring let Djoos go and just rely on Ziggy and bring up Lewington or such for the 7th D man.  Sooner or later, they younger D guys are going to have to get some real playing time.


Djoos has performed better than (I expected) due to his size, but you just can't get away from that being an issue.  He is either going to get exposed (ahem....playoffs) or flat out killed in the NHL sooner or later.  He seems to be smart enough and good stick skills, but asking a 160lb guy to clear Malkin out of the crease or knock him off the puck in the corner is a bit of a stretch.



Currently, with Djoos they are over only by about $300k, I think.  ($314,294 - without Stevo)

What if Stevo gets moved to Hershey and the caps have a 22 man roster? Hershey roster players don't count vs the Cap can they?


I think maybe the Caps were thinking Djoos arbitration would come in at more like $950k?....(which they had exactly $935,706 to work with).  The guy made $650k last year and arbitration doubled that?  That's a little much all things considered.  You can say he was underpaid last year, strictly based on amount of playing time, but not by half.


That and the Caps and everyone else was figuring the cap to be a little higher than it turned out, so the margins are that much closer.


I would HOPE it’s because they know how bad
 Kempys “Lower Body Injury” is and that he’ll be starting on LTIR at best.  But, this is Monumental Entertainment.  This could of very well of happened without Kempy being hurt as overpaying a player that fits their agenda and was on the Cup team over the player and abilities.


Djoos, is OK. He’s a good skater and can play both RD and LD.  But he is just an Offensive Dman, of which we have to many of to begin with.


 

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #129 on: Friday July 26, 2019, 11:32:09 PM Eastern »
Ok, I got ya.. Just saw the post about moving Oshie, Eller, or Copley.. I mean Djoos is ok, but I wouldn't be trading off anyone of those 3 to keep
 his tiny ass..  :raspberry: :rofl:


As for Kempny.. Im not so sure he's gonna be on any IR list. Saw a video of the dude running up/down stadium stairs the other day..

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #130 on: Friday July 26, 2019, 11:47:22 PM Eastern »
Good post Rush.  I'd grudgingly agree with your assessment on Juice.  He has learned to be effective at parts of the game he can survive in.  He is effective at "his" game.  He positioning is good.  I am sure that's why mgmt/coaching likes him.  He just isn't the D-man on my wish list. 
I will agree ALOT of the Caps D problem is clearing the zone - its not the initial rush, its the inability to move the puck up and out that seems to plaque us.  They get hemmed in and then do something stupid with the puck.  That's not all on the D guys either.  However, having a smaller sized D is only going exacerbate the problem of retrieving a lost puck.  Djoos simply can't take it back - he positions himself well to defend it, but simply cannot just go take it away.  Not sure why our coaching staff has not developed some schemes to help clear the puck better (with whatever talent pool they have available).  I realize we have to work with what we have.


I'm just a little surprised at the $1.25m.  I mean I guess Arbitration shoots for middle ground, but Juice's corner asking for $1.9m is a joke, all things considered.  A fairly unproven, seriously injured 24 year old 160 lb D guy, who did struggle last season....seems like a stretch.  I would have been okay with an even $1m for him at this point in his "career"


I looked up a few stats on him - He is an overall +24 in plus/minus in 108 NHL games.  His corsi numbers are pretty even (neither good or bad).  He is upside down on giveaways vs take aways with  23 take aways and 55 give away.
Now, I am not a real stat guy and don't even know if that TK vs GV stat is average or below average for a NHL d man, but I would think that's not great....especially for a guy on a good team.
He does have 100+ games of NHL experience, so there's something.  His playoff stats are much worse, but also not as large of a sample pool, but 22/25 of his playoff games were during the Stanley Cup year, so his playoff numbers should be better.
 
I looked up Orlov's numbers for comparison...and Orlov's stats are better....especially if you add in Hits and blocked shots.  I realize not the same type of player, but Orly was the first one I think of when it comes to stupid turnovers in our own end.


Anyway, not really knocking Juice, but think $1.25 is about 20% too much for him, all things considered.  But then, WTF do I know.




For what its worth, I went back and looked up team corsi for the Caps last year and it was 49.0, so Juice at 48.8 that year means he is about at the team average.


Back at ya Rich! Very fair and good post. as well!
You used a good variety of stats, to shed more light on Djoos.
This may sound odd, coming from me, but if I were an NHL head coach, with even just a slightly above average, overall team defense, I would most likely NOT want to take a gamble with Djoos.


One of the takeaways I want to imply from my previous post, is NOT so much that Djoos carries the pedigree of a “written-in-stone”, hands down, sure fire, starter, on any NHL team, as a defenseman.
He doesn’t, at all, really!


Maybe he’d be welcome on 40-50%, of the NHL franchises. Just guessing?
But he certainly would not fit in well with teams that predominantly rely more on physical, gritty, defensive efforts, for their overall success. He would be an ineffective team contributor, in this scenario!


He does happen to gel better in the Caps defensive scheme, partly because our general defense problems, are glaringly obvious, and we have a few more prominent named guys on our defensive crew, whose mistakes are easily observed, and have been repeatedly addressed, over several seasons, and they seem to never get corrected.


As fans, we see these defense challenges as ever reoccurring, perpetual issues. We know the major guilty parties, sadly through repetition, and we voice our complaints often, here on the board! LOL


It’s certainly plausible that part of the reason they choose to put Djoos on the ice, isn’t so much about his great contributions to the team, but perhaps because his specific shortcomings on D, aren’t as heavy of a liability to our overall team defense, as the more major shortcomings of some of our other guys!


Let me add that our Stanley Cup win came about for several unique reasons! One of them being our whole team, defensive effort, and hustle, which if we are honest, looked nothing like our standard defensive postures during the regular season.  It’s still a mystery to me how it came about, although a very HAPPY mystery, nonetheless!!!👍


Also didn’t know that Djoos’s camp was asking damn near 2 mil!!
Thanks Rich!


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Re: Off Season
« Reply #131 on: Friday July 26, 2019, 11:57:42 PM Eastern »
Ok, I got ya.. Just saw the post about moving Oshie, Eller, or Copley.. I mean Djoos is ok, but I wouldn't be trading off anyone of those 3 to keep
 his tiny ass..  :raspberry: :rofl:


As for Kempny.. Im not so sure he's gonna be on any IR list. Saw a video of the dude running up/down stadium stairs the other day..


Hey Mick!
Hope your summer is goin well!
I was just curious about the Kempny video. I assume you mean he looked ok? Could you tell if he was still in good physical conditioning, as well? He was on crutches for quite a while.


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Re: Off Season
« Reply #132 on: Saturday July 27, 2019, 07:34:55 AM Eastern »
OK, so the Caps just resigned Stephenson for $1.05M, so now we know the full extent of the salary cap situation.


As the roster is now constructed, with "all 23 spots filled," the Caps are $1.365 million over the salary cap.  But in reality, the situation is a little worse than that, because the team will need at least a little bit of cap space to bring up players when roster guys are hurt, but not seriously enough to go on LTIR.  You can hang with no replacement for one player for a few games if you have to, but if multiple players are banged up, call-ups are needed.  And any time a goalie is out for a few games, a backup absolutely HAS to be brought in.  I'd think that the Caps would like at least a quarter million dollars in place for such contingencies, so the amount of reduction that I'd think GMBM would need to get would be, at minimum, between $1.6 and $1.7 million.  Also, it should be noted that, as far as I know, both Djoos and Stephenson must go through waivers to get sent down.


So simply sending Djoos or Stephenson down, even if the Caps were willing to lose them for nothing, won't solve their problem.  They could lose Djoos (or trade him for a prospect, say), bring up a Hershey guy, and save $300K to $600K that way.  Then if they also moved Stephenson off the roster one way or another, and DIDN'T replace him, going with 13 forwards, that COULD about do it if the Djoos replacement was really cheap.


Alternatively, someone else would need to go.  If it were a defenseman, he would HAVE to be replaced, because 7 defensemen at a minimum are needed on the roster.  If it were a forward, he wouldn't HAVE to be.  Though if it was a more core player that were moved you'd think the Caps would try to bring in someone cheaper but still a viable NHL player, since their forward prospect pool is so bare right now.


Then there is the goalie situation.

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #133 on: Saturday July 27, 2019, 09:35:16 AM Eastern »

Hey Mick!
Hope your summer is goin well!
I was just curious about the Kempny video. I assume you mean he looked ok? Could you tell if he was still in good physical conditioning, as well? He was on crutches for quite a while.


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Summer's going good Puck! Hope your's is as well!! Not sure how many or how long he did them, but from the short twitter video, he looked fine to me.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/video-michal-kempny-doing-bleacher-runs-reminds-us-there-no-offseason-capitals

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #134 on: Saturday July 27, 2019, 10:35:20 AM Eastern »
OK, so the Caps just resigned Stephenson for $1.05M, so now we know the full extent of the salary cap situation.


As the roster is now constructed, with "all 23 spots filled," the Caps are $1.365 million over the salary cap.  But in reality, the situation is a little worse than that, because the team will need at least a little bit of cap space to bring up players when roster guys are hurt, but not seriously enough to go on LTIR.  You can hang with no replacement for one player for a few games if you have to, but if multiple players are banged up, call-ups are needed.  And any time a goalie is out for a few games, a backup absolutely HAS to be brought in.  I'd think that the Caps would like at least a quarter million dollars in place for such contingencies, so the amount of reduction that I'd think GMBM would need to get would be, at minimum, between $1.6 and $1.7 million.  Also, it should be noted that, as far as I know, both Djoos and Stephenson must go through waivers to get sent down.


So simply sending Djoos or Stephenson down, even if the Caps were willing to lose them for nothing, won't solve their problem.  They could lose Djoos (or trade him for a prospect, say), bring up a Hershey guy, and save $300K to $600K that way.  Then if they also moved Stephenson off the roster one way or another, and DIDN'T replace him, going with 13 forwards, that COULD about do it if the Djoos replacement was really cheap.


Alternatively, someone else would need to go.  If it were a defenseman, he would HAVE to be replaced, because 7 defensemen at a minimum are needed on the roster.  If it were a forward, he wouldn't HAVE to be.  Though if it was a more core player that were moved you'd think the Caps would try to bring in someone cheaper but still a viable NHL player, since their forward prospect pool is so bare right now.


Then there is the goalie situation.
If they know Kempy and/or Oshie will, (at minimum) start the season on LTIR.  That should, theoretically, give enough cap relief to fit Djoos and Stephenson under the cap for a while.


If they plan to trade anyone of them for a low pick or give one away via waivers, there’s little to know organizational depth to replace them with.


Bottom line is the salary cap situation  has been Full Retard since GMBetaMale and Monumental started this circus act.   The continued practice of over-valuing players and signing them to untradable contracts, including splashy tradeline and UFA signings are only just starting to show the negative effects.

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #135 on: Saturday July 27, 2019, 02:33:06 PM Eastern »
I think we'll need to part with Holtby sometime in the not too distant future. Guy is a UFA and if Bob's huge contract is any indicator, Holts will be massively overpaid. Ever since Mitch Korn left, Holtby has done nothing to make me feel like he's a consistent elite goalie. I mean think about it, Holts played amazingly during Trotz's first 3 years as coach (and Korn's first 3 "full time" years). During the 2017-2018 season, Korn scaled back his role, and Holts was absolutely abysmal. Korn gets a little more involved towards the end of the season, and Holts wins a Cup. Holts is once again shit when Trotz and Korn leave the Caps. I see a pattern here.

Holtby is a good goalie but Korn is the only thing capable of making him an elite goalie. Without Korn, Holts is NOT worth more than $7 million, but he's going to get way north of that. And he's probably going to get term too, which again, he's not worth a long term contract.

We already have some overpaid players, such as:

Kuzy - He's paid too much for his "no effort regular season" mentality and retarded plays on ice. He's gotta play harder for $7.8 million a year.

Carlson - He's paid too much for his general stupidity and PP fuck ups (whether it's a botched slingshot or a bad pass to Ovi). $8 million a year is high as fuck for him, and he'll be 36 by the end.

Oshie - I love Oshie and think $5.7 million a year is fair, but his injuries are a concern and the term. Holy fuck the TERM. Guy will be 38 by the end of his contract.

You could argue that some other contracts are overpays as well, but in those cases the overpayment is pretty small (because the contracts are generally small). Djoos is overpaid, but who gives a shit about a couple hundred grand? It's the contracts above that are hurting / will hurt the most.

But to add Holtby to that, I feel like he would get $8-10 million a year (probably closer to the higher end of that range) and at LEAST 6 years. He's not worth that much. No way in hell. To add a contract like that to our existing iffy contracts would be death. But he's going to get paid for the Vezina and Cup, which are well behind him. We would be better off getting a solid goalie in the $4-5 million range and using the extra money to bolster other areas of the team.


Holts is going to be a UFA after next season. It would be terrible to lose him for nothing. It also probably wouldn't make sense to switch goalies mid-season if we're trying to make a push. So if not now then nothing would happen until next offseason, where we'll lose him for nothing. I almost feel like we should part ways with Holts now, get some return for him...

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #136 on: Sunday July 28, 2019, 10:07:32 AM Eastern »
I think we'll need to part with Holtby sometime in the not too distant future. Guy is a UFA and if Bob's huge contract is any indicator, Holts will be massively overpaid. Ever since Mitch Korn left, Holtby has done nothing to make me feel like he's a consistent elite goalie. I mean think about it, Holts played amazingly during Trotz's first 3 years as coach (and Korn's first 3 "full time" years). During the 2017-2018 season, Korn scaled back his role, and Holts was absolutely abysmal. Korn gets a little more involved towards the end of the season, and Holts wins a Cup. Holts is once again shit when Trotz and Korn leave the Caps. I see a pattern here.

Holtby is a good goalie but Korn is the only thing capable of making him an elite goalie. Without Korn, Holts is NOT worth more than $7 million, but he's going to get way north of that. And he's probably going to get term too, which again, he's not worth a long term contract.

We already have some overpaid players, such as:

Kuzy - He's paid too much for his "no effort regular season" mentality and retarded plays on ice. He's gotta play harder for $7.8 million a year.

Carlson - He's paid too much for his general stupidity and PP fuck ups (whether it's a botched slingshot or a bad pass to Ovi). $8 million a year is high as fuck for him, and he'll be 36 by the end.

Oshie - I love Oshie and think $5.7 million a year is fair, but his injuries are a concern and the term. Holy fuck the TERM. Guy will be 38 by the end of his contract.

You could argue that some other contracts are overpays as well, but in those cases the overpayment is pretty small (because the contracts are generally small). Djoos is overpaid, but who gives a shit about a couple hundred grand? It's the contracts above that are hurting / will hurt the most.

But to add Holtby to that, I feel like he would get $8-10 million a year (probably closer to the higher end of that range) and at LEAST 6 years. He's not worth that much. No way in hell. To add a contract like that to our existing iffy contracts would be death. But he's going to get paid for the Vezina and Cup, which are well behind him. We would be better off getting a solid goalie in the $4-5 million range and using the extra money to bolster other areas of the team.


Holts is going to be a UFA after next season. It would be terrible to lose him for nothing. It also probably wouldn't make sense to switch goalies mid-season if we're trying to make a push. So if not now then nothing would happen until next offseason, where we'll lose him for nothing. I almost feel like we should  part ways with Holts now, get some return for him...
Without Holtby we’d of been lucky to make the playoffs last year.


Under Reidon, his EA Sports System, and the roster full of offensive only players, Holtbu had to do more than any goalie in the league last year.  It’s as simple as a team last in faceoffs and PK shouldn’t even  make the playoffs.


If . . . if. . .,he wants to stay, the Caps need to do everything to keep him for another couple years,

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #137 on: Monday July 29, 2019, 09:36:26 AM Eastern »
If . . . if. . .,he wants to stay...
Shit, what other white collar/liberal dominated town is he gonna play for? Seattle? Send him on..  :yawn:

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Re: Off Season
« Reply #138 on: Monday July 29, 2019, 01:11:26 PM Eastern »
Shit, what other white collar/liberal dominated town is he gonna play for? Seattle? Send him on..  :yawn:
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Re: Off Season
« Reply #139 on: Monday July 29, 2019, 03:57:13 PM Eastern »
Interesting piece on Chandler Stephenson


Though I’m not a J.J. Regan fan in the least.  He writes like his playing video games and writing for others also playing video games