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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #140 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 09:25:59 AM Eastern »
I knew they should've gotten another Dman at the deadline. Not having Kemney made that obvious. I suppose there is still hope that Carlson lives up to his contract. There just might be reason to keep Orpik one more year. DSP looked good for two games. The offseason will be interesting.


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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #141 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 09:42:00 AM Eastern »
So not to rub salt about the season being over, but...


What moves would you like to see and what moves do you think the Caps can actually accomplish in the off season?  Lots of work to do with many contracts up.  With all the BIG inflated contracts this team has, we need some serviceable bargain guys:


These guys are UFA's:


Connolly  - I'd keep for same money, but think he'll get more elsewhere, and wouldn't really hurt me to see him go.
Hagelin - I like his play, and would like to have him but doubt Caps can swing the $$$.  Thought he was a great pickup this year for our...."run"
Smith Pelly -   Meh.  For bargain $$$ only, Physical but that's about it (which we surely need)
Orpik - Really not sure on this.  He is old and so slow, but for $1m, He is probably worth that in Hits and leadership.  I'd probably keep him for a bargain backup, although I thought Ziggy showed promise this year.  I doubt Orpik really wants to go elsewhere at this point, maybe just retires.


These guys are RFA's:


Vranna - Got to sign him....and hopefully not contracts like Dylan and Orlof.  Vranna needs to be one of the Cap's hopes for the future.
Burka - So long, farewell, adieu, adieu, adieu.  I've been done with him for years.  Shows promise, but not worth big dollar risk.
Djoos - So long, farewell....  Just not big enough for the NHL.  (Ziggy needs some more seasoning and now is the time)
Stephenson - I'd keep on the cheap.
Jaskin - I like him for bargain $$, but never really got a shot here.  Caps just don't seem to like him


We do have Boyd under contract (another year I think) and I like him.  Not sure why he went to the doghouse in the playoffs.




BTW - I love the Jensen contract.  4 years at 2.5m is a steal for him.  He is probably the best move Caps made in recent history.  Much needed stable D and very mobile and good puck mover.  I don't think the Caps make the playoffs without him this past year.




I really don;t see the Caps having the funds to make any real moves in the off season unless they manage a trade of a big contract, but who'd that be?
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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #142 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 10:50:36 AM Eastern »
So not to rub salt about the season being over, but...


What moves would you like to see and what moves do you think the Caps can actually accomplish in the off season?  Lots of work to do with many contracts up.  With all the BIG inflated contracts this team has, we need some serviceable bargain guys:


These guys are UFA's:


Connolly  - I'd keep for same money, but think he'll get more elsewhere, and wouldn't really hurt me to see him go.
Hagelin - I like his play, and would like to have him but doubt Caps can swing the $$$.  Thought he was a great pickup this year for our...."run"
Smith Pelly -   Meh.  For bargain $$$ only, Physical but that's about it (which we surely need)
Orpik - Really not sure on this.  He is old and so slow, but for $1m, He is probably worth that in Hits and leadership.  I'd probably keep him for a bargain backup, although I thought Ziggy showed promise this year.  I doubt Orpik really wants to go elsewhere at this point, maybe just retires.


These guys are RFA's:


Vranna - Got to sign him....and hopefully not contracts like Dylan and Orlof.  Vranna needs to be one of the Cap's hopes for the future.
Burka - So long, farewell, adieu, adieu, adieu.  I've been done with him for years.  Shows promise, but not worth big dollar risk.
Djoos - So long, farewell....  Just not big enough for the NHL.  (Ziggy needs some more seasoning and now is the time)
Stephenson - I'd keep on the cheap.
Jaskin - I like him for bargain $$, but never really got a shot here.  Caps just don't seem to like him


We do have Boyd under contract (another year I think) and I like him.  Not sure why he went to the doghouse in the playoffs.




BTW - I love the Jensen contract.  4 years at 2.5m is a steal for him.  He is probably the best move Caps made in recent history.  Much needed stable D and very mobile and good puck mover.  I don't think the Caps make the playoffs without him this past year.




I really don;t see the Caps having the funds to make any real moves in the off season unless they manage a trade of a big contract, but who'd that be?
Given that it’s Monumental, you can assume to cross every one on that list except Bura, Connolly, and Vranna.   The expect long term contracts that will put us walking the cap tightrope and having the highest payroll in the league for years to come (Wings have two big cap hits that aren’t playing which is why they’re higher).

The cap, the lengths of contracts, and depth lost in trades are gonna fuck us worse than a scene outta Oz

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #143 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 11:24:23 AM Eastern »
So not to rub salt about the season being over, but...


What moves would you like to see and what moves do you think the Caps can actually accomplish in the off season?  Lots of work to do with many contracts up.  With all the BIG inflated contracts this team has, we need some serviceable bargain guys:


These guys are UFA's:


Connolly  - I'd keep for same money, but think he'll get more elsewhere, and wouldn't really hurt me to see him go.
Hagelin - I like his play, and would like to have him but doubt Caps can swing the $$$.  Thought he was a great pickup this year for our...."run"
Smith Pelly -   Meh.  For bargain $$$ only, Physical but that's about it (which we surely need)
Orpik - Really not sure on this.  He is old and so slow, but for $1m, He is probably worth that in Hits and leadership.  I'd probably keep him for a bargain backup, although I thought Ziggy showed promise this year.  I doubt Orpik really wants to go elsewhere at this point, maybe just retires.


These guys are RFA's:


Vranna - Got to sign him....and hopefully not contracts like Dylan and Orlof.  Vranna needs to be one of the Cap's hopes for the future.
Burka - So long, farewell, adieu, adieu, adieu.  I've been done with him for years.  Shows promise, but not worth big dollar risk.
Djoos - So long, farewell....  Just not big enough for the NHL.  (Ziggy needs some more seasoning and now is the time)
Stephenson - I'd keep on the cheap.
Jaskin - I like him for bargain $$, but never really got a shot here.  Caps just don't seem to like him


We do have Boyd under contract (another year I think) and I like him.  Not sure why he went to the doghouse in the playoffs.




BTW - I love the Jensen contract.  4 years at 2.5m is a steal for him.  He is probably the best move Caps made in recent history.  Much needed stable D and very mobile and good puck mover.  I don't think the Caps make the playoffs without him this past year.




I really don;t see the Caps having the funds to make any real moves in the off season unless they manage a trade of a big contract, but who'd that be?




save that thought, we will start that thread after the playoffs
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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #144 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 12:22:09 PM Eastern »
This was basically the same crew which won the Cup last year except for Beagle and Grubauer.  The Kempny and Oshie injuries hurt but Carolina had injuries, too.  Plus, we had a 2-0 lead in the series and then lost 4 of 5.  That's 100% on Rierden.  He isn't the answer either now or going forward.  Regardless of whatever personnel moves are made, they need a guy behind the bench who knows what he's doing.

Speaking of losing a 2-0 series lead, the Caps have a long and miserable history of losing 2-0 and 3-1 series leads.  I thought maybe winning a Cup would cure it but I guess not.

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #145 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 12:50:30 PM Eastern »
This was basically the same crew which won the Cup last year except for Beagle and Grubauer.  The Kempny and Oshie injuries hurt but Carolina had injuries, too.  Plus, we had a 2-0 lead in the series and then lost 4 of 5.  That's 100% on Rierden.  He isn't the answer either now or going forward.  Regardless of whatever personnel moves are made, they need a guy behind the bench who knows what he's doing.

Speaking of losing a 2-0 series lead, the Caps have a long and miserable history of losing 2-0 and 3-1 series leads.  I thought maybe winning a Cup would cure it but I guess not.
Basically the same team, but with a Cup in hand, a new coach, and yet the history of previous years doesn’t change.


Assuredly Reidon won’t be fired unless they miss the playoffs, maybe twice.  Firing him for anything less, would be terrible for Monumental as it would show their “chooses one” was a brutally wrong “choice”.


We need to accept that between Reidon and cap/current roster,  there’s a very real possibility of the next couple years being very ugly.

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #146 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 01:03:36 PM Eastern »
How could anyone come away from this series blaming Reirden?


We dominated several of the games we won, and the Canes looked like absolute SHIT for most of Game 7. Reirden was mixing line strategies and getting as much as he could. Did ya'll watch Game 7? You sure? You keep saying yes but I don't believe you, because if you did you could see by like halfway into that third period, our PLAYERS had ZERO gas tank. ZERO. None. Like "running on empty."


Explain to me how that is on the coach, in any way? "He didn't get them ready to play." Bullshit, if that was the case how come the Canes coach was quoted on the bench in the second of saying "we look like fucknig shit right now." The Caps lost this. Plain and simple. Not the coach, not on any individual player because while Holtby let in a weak goal to tie the game he was a stud for the rest of it. It was a team loss, as simple as that.



From my vantage, it wasn't even just that the Caps looked "content" from having won a Cup last season. They looked burnt out. We have played a lot of fucking hockey and it just felt like even when the Canes were struggling we didn't have the stamina to push it into another gear when we needed to, with the exception of a couple of shifts in their end that really looked like us trying to clamp down a few times. But defensively we were stellar last night, stellar. The shot blocks/structure was all over the place and it was a rather "odd" Game 7 in that it didn't really have the pace or intensity you usually expect.


If anything much of it just appeared like Todd was trying to get the most he could of a tired, depleted, team that after last season's success didn't have that extra drive it needed to counter it. Trotz here wouldn't of magically changed that imo.

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #147 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 01:15:36 PM Eastern »
Getting beaten by Carolina in 7 games was not a surprise at all. Not one bit. And I don't think anyone else on the boards was surprised either.

The biggest problem this season was coaching, by a long shot. You could maybe point to roster, injuries, effort, etc. as part of the problem, but nothing comes close to coaching as being the culprit here.

You could argue that our roster could be better, but it is still largely the same as the one that won the Cup last year. Yeah we have some shitty contracts, and yeah not all players are the best option for us in their respective positions, but our roster isn't bad at all. There's talent there, moreso than a lot of other teams.

As for injuries, yeah we lost Kempny and Oshie, Carolina had some injuries too, and they started out with a less talented team to begin with.

I'm not ready to say effort was a problem in the playoffs either. In the regular season sure, when you could clearly see us playing down to the competition in games that didn't mean much. But everyone on the Caps knew how important these games were, and I'm sure gave it their best. They came out to a 2-0 series lead, but in the end they were just outcoached.

Management needs a reality check. Total Retard is not the answer, never was, never will be. He should have been fired midway through the season to make room for Coach Q. We should have realized that TR wasn't going to get us anywhere, and cutting bait to allow Coach Q time to integrate and set up his systems would have been the best bet. But instead we kept the retard around, and somehow our players managed to win enough games to get 4th in the league in spite of TR's efforts to drive our team 6 feet under. Even if we had the bounces go our way to beat Carolina, there's no way TR would have outcoached Trotz.

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #148 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 01:17:53 PM Eastern »
Couldn't clear our zone - the power play was a joke - the sling shot is a waste of time.  ZERO adjustments were made games 3-7.  Same broken crap and it cost them.
That's on the coaching staff.

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #149 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 02:40:05 PM Eastern »
How could anyone come away from this series blaming Reirden?


We dominated several of the games we won, and the Canes looked like absolute SHIT for most of Game 7. Reirden was mixing line strategies and getting as much as he could. Did ya'll watch Game 7? You sure? You keep saying yes but I don't believe you, because if you did you could see by like halfway into that third period, our PLAYERS had ZERO gas tank. ZERO. None. Like "running on empty."


Explain to me how that is on the coach, in any way?


Explain how the coach shares the blame?  Sure, no problem.


  • Terrible management of our D this season.  Djoos was NEVER going to be the solution if we had a major injury.  The kid weighs 9 pounds.  Siegenthaler was waiver exempt all year, Orpik was out for 30 games.  So why not use that time to develop an actual, all-situations LD for needed depth?  Why waste that time on a kid that will ALWAYS need to be sheltered at the NHL level, especially in the playoffs?  Look how well Siegenthaler played after just a few games.  Imagine if he'd had 30 games at 3LD during the season instead. 
  • Terrible management of our D during this series.  Reirden was so fixated on rotating D to shelter Djoos (and still managed to fail) that he failed to make effective adjustments to the rest of our lineup and gameplan to help us in the games we lost.  So focused on micromanaging matchups and overthinking deployments that he had absolutely no answer for Carolina when they took over a game.  In 4 losses we showed zero ability to overcome what was working for the Canes.  And for what?  Our best defensemen logging minutes on his weak side?  Starting a D that you only play for 5 minutes because he can't be trusted?  Genius.
  • You're blind if you missed how poorly he coached Game 7.  We had last change, a better and deeper lineup, and Carolina was gassing their top pair trying to match with us.  And yet for some reason Reirden spent the last half of the game and most of overtime shuffling lines, destroying the chemistry that had worked for us up to that point.  He had us chipping pucks we had in our possession so that he could get better matchups on the ice CONSTANTLY.

    I'll put that in bold again so you don't miss it:  He had us routinely surrendering possession to our opponents so we could adjust to a team WE WERE BEATING BY 2 GOALS.  Why adjust to their game when playing OUR game had us up 2?
  • Absolutely moronic with the short bench in OT.  DSP was solid for us the last couple games and huge last postseason, but didn't play at all in OT.  Dowd had been clutch for us on three separate occasions very recently and was one of our best faceoff guys, but didn't play at all in OT.  Those two guys logged 8 minutes each in a game that ran over 90 minutes.  We were totally gassed from the start of OT until the losing goal.  Neither of those guys are defensive liabilities, both have shown an ability to come through in the clutch.  So why did they sit?  What exactly were we sheltering?  Our guys couldn't make rushes up ice they were so spent, but we had 2 good players on the bench THAT DIDN'T PLAY AT ALL IN OVERTIME.  Ridiculously awful game management.

    What game were you watching?  I thought this was the Caps/Canes Game 7 thread.   :P

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #150 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 02:43:29 PM Eastern »
Oh, and not hitting Forsythe with a shovel for the PP struggles with the slingshot and zone entries.  That's been a problem FOREVER and the coach has done nothing about it.


We had some other issues, sure.  But Reirden was just as bad as anyone.  He and Kuzy share my #1 spot for people to blame for atrocious performance.  They were both terrible at their jobs.

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #151 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 03:14:27 PM Eastern »
Just because I say that I didn't come out of that game/series blaming Reirden doesn't mean I'm somehow justifying mistakes he made in the series and/or during the season. Reirden simply isn't the reason we lost that series, especially that Game 7, imo.


I also don't see how bringing up regular season points here is relevant. Again, just because I disagree with the assertation that Reirden "cost us the game/series" doesn't mean I'm "defending" or taking a side. It's a thing called nuance, it exists.


Any coach you put behind the Caps bench in the Game 7 I saw last night doesn't change the result. I stand by that. The collective team of the Washingon Capitals did not have enough in the tank to win that game. I saw a coach (Reidren) who was shuffling lines not just to try to get chemistry, but to try to find any killer instinct/extra effort up and down the line up and what we saw was a team that other than in bursts was just trying to rag the clock most of the game. Even when we were playing better than Carolina in the the first and most of the second, we did so because Carolina themselves were playing panicked/rushed and in general just inexperienced hockey. Almost all of our goals/good shifts come from bursts of individual effort from players known for ramping up and working hard. Like Wilson, or our third line which was our best line last night bar none. But it was all still about bursts of energy, every thing in that game was. Structure wasn't gone, it wasn't like our forwards weren't back checking. We didn't give up a godly amount of odd man rushes. We simply were turning the puck over in our own end and not going after it. All the time.


On the far wall we had high wingers (Ovechkin for some of it) just watch the Canes cycle and that started happening late in the second and was beginning to persist for much of the third. All the coaching in the world will never change the fact that once we got to Game 7, it was clear our boys only had the hustle to make it a regular season game. So they took their lead and hung on for dear life. Trotz would of done (and has done with our group as coach previously) the same thing there. Any coach would of. Anyone with a brain saw that even if you throw the 4th line out more minutes from defense on up to forward we maybe had 5 players after the second period who had any real gas left in the tank to make anything other than zone defense happen. We were so tired. Like it can not be understated because IT IS absolutely the reason we lost a game we lead in.


That said analyzing and picking apart specific performances is still all fine and dandy. Kuzy wasn't the stud he should of been, protecting Djoo's was a mistake, we needed more PP adjustments. One can agree with all of this and still accept the reality that our boys emptied their tanks this season/playoffs and following last seasons emotional win didn't and wouldn't of had enough.


As for changes/alterations going forward, for me it's too early at least on the coaching staff front. I absolutely think we need to make more PP adjustments and I do think it starts with personnel because rotating that same top group allows them to get comfortable in a way that doesn't work. If Kuzy isn't willing to dump it on the playoffs on the PP then he can sit. Put Eller out there. Forysthe also has to go back to the drawing board a bit, our set up and variation once we set up is great. But if a team is going to pressure to prevent the set up we need to find ways to either adapt to that or counter it to force a set up.


Reirden specifically, way too early to judge for me. He made mistakes in the regular season and playoffs but like I said I don't think any other coach would of gotten much more this season in general out of our team. For me I have to see another season before I make the judgement on him one way or the other.

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #152 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 03:31:25 PM Eastern »
Game 7 Double OT, Stevenson, Dowd, and DSP where under 10min TOI.   Hurricanes had one player play 10 or under: a rookie who hasn’t played 40 total games. .


As Kaz said, Reidon TOTALLY fucked up last change and all matchup and adjustments
 advantages he had.  Rather Reidon is stubborn, arrogant, or just following Monumental and/or the players orders, who knows.  But if the goal was to get a player and “fan friendly” coach, they got it alright. . . but they if they wanted a winning coach, . . . They got screwed by the pooch full doggie style and got a donkey punch

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #153 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 05:09:04 PM Eastern »
Kaz - very good couple of posts. My 4 points:


1. Caps don’t have enough guys with the absolute burning desire to win. Guys that refuse to lose.


2. Kuzy was the number 1 disappointment for the regular season and the playoffs. He needs a hardass coach that will bench him when he doesn’t shoot or doesn’t give the effort.


3. Worst coaching was for special teams. It was obvious to everyone that our PP was a one-trick pony and our slingshot and entry into the zone was embarrassing. Forsyth needs to go.


4. Our defense needs to be totally revamped to get more size and physicality and be coached to stop trying to clear the zone by staying on the boards every single time.








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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #154 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 05:29:13 PM Eastern »
Kaz - very good couple of posts. My 4 points:


1. Caps don’t have enough guys with the absolute burning desire to win. Guys that refuse to lose.


2. Kuzy was the number 1 disappointment for the regular season and the playoffs. He needs a hardass coach that will bench him when he doesn’t shoot or doesn’t give the effort.


3. Worst coaching was for special teams. It was obvious to everyone that our PP was a one-trick pony and our slingshot and entry into the zone was embarrassing. Forsyth needs to go.


4. Our defense needs to be totally revamped to get more size and physicality and be coached to stop trying to clear the zone by staying on the boards every single time.
Agreed.


Just note the relation between 2 and 4 and how much 7+ mil, with 10k of cap space, could go to revamping the D

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #155 on: Thursday April 25, 2019, 06:24:40 PM Eastern »
Oh, and not hitting Forsythe with a shovel for the PP struggles with the slingshot and zone entries.  That's been a problem FOREVER and the coach has done nothing about it.


We had some other issues, sure.  But Reirden was just as bad as anyone.  He and Kuzy share my #1 spot for people to blame for atrocious performance.  They were both terrible at their jobs.
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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #156 on: Saturday April 27, 2019, 02:03:55 AM Eastern »
Kaz - very good couple of posts. My 4 points:


1. Caps don’t have enough guys with the absolute burning desire to win. Guys that refuse to lose.


2. Kuzy was the number 1 disappointment for the regular season and the playoffs. He needs a hardass coach that will bench him when he doesn’t shoot or doesn’t give the effort.


3. Worst coaching was for special teams. It was obvious to everyone that our PP was a one-trick pony and our slingshot and entry into the zone was embarrassing. Forsyth needs to go.


4. Our defense needs to be totally revamped to get more size and physicality and be coached to stop trying to clear the zone by staying on the boards every single time.


Hey Beags!
Very wise and well worded post!


Your point #1, saying they didn’t have enough guys with the burning desire....Excellent! It only takes a few guys, with smoldering efforts, to gradually quench the burn in others, within the multiple shift changes, and slowly diminishing RESULTS, that will naturally follow!


We absolutely have a few players, whose attitudes and effort levels are very FICKLE!!
This is the perfect word to describe this phenomenon, that occurs so OBVIOUSLY, in a few of the same guys, (this fickleness), and yet....


In a different group of just a few players, their attitudes and effort levels, are always turned on with “burning desire”!


Then we have the rest of the guys, (the majority), where being classsified into one, or the other, mentioned above, isn’t so obvious.... neither reliably giving it all, nearly all the time, NOR, predominantly lacking in effort, most of the time.


BUT.....we surely know the few names of those that “stick out”, as ALWAYS up and down, (fickle), with attitiude and effort level, and those other few that are “always burning”!
I use FICKLE, because it can imply INTENT, of the player, both good or bad!
Here they are then:


The obviously FICKLE: (with their effort levels), in no order.
1. KUZY
2. VRANA
3. BURA
4. OVI, (maybe excused by his production, etc., but still true)
5. BACKY (hard not to like him, but still true)
6. CARLSON


The obvious 100% effort givers:
1. OSHIE
2. ELLER
3. HAGELIN
4. KEMPNY
5. DOWD
6. JENSEN?
7. WILSON?
8. BEAGLE-(just for sentimental reasons)!


Also Beags, points #2, 3, and 4. Very good, my friend!
I do also blame Rierden, and align more with Kaz’s perspective. He inherited good special teams, so with the overwhelming flatness on PP, showing from the start of the season, with no real tangible, or observable improvement, (unless you think going from abysmal, to below average qualifies), there should have been coaching changes, (Forsythe), or AT LEAST, rumblings of it, in the media, or something.
I have an issue with Rierden, passively giving cute little euphemisms, through the press, in an attempt to “soften” the focus, and significance, of the how these FICKLE effort levels AFFECT GAME OUTCOMES!!!
Attempting to avoid the TOUGH ISSUE, of having to DISCIPLINE some of the BIG NAMES!!


THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT IT.....By keeping the media at bay, with his softer, more vague tone, in his post game interviews....Rierden actually SUCCEEDED!!
And WE, the fans, witnessed ANOTHER low effort, R1, game 7, pathetic loss!! THATS IT, folks!!


NOW....back to the present. I say this just as strongly!
NOTHING, can put a stain on MY Stanley Cup experience! It is an already accomplished, PURE DEED, in and of itself!!


Only those who wish it to be tarnished, for them, and their memories of it, can actually WILL it to be done to themselves! If so, you have my sympathy.


Try to consider that our boys names, hand-engraved, on that majestic trophy, will not be melting away, off of the Cup’s face, like the Wicked Witch of the West, on the steps of OZ, due to this years playoff performance!
I hope your joyful experience of those great moments, stay solidly engraved in you, likewise!


I’m turning the page, people!!!👍
Thanks, Beags!


Rush











Always hopeful, yet discontent -
He knows CHANGES aren’t permanent -
              BUT CHANGE IS!!!

RUSH - from “Tom Sawyer”

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #157 on: Saturday April 27, 2019, 02:27:34 AM Eastern »
One afterthought. (Oh, no)!


Brooks Orpik said it best, like the experienced PLAYOFF veteran he is!
He said, (I’m paraphrasing a bit, but damn close to verbatim), This was an elimination game 7. It’s do or die. You’re not allowed to be tired, gassed out or injured!
BE TIRED, OR INJURED, TOMORROW!! NOT ALLOWED TONITE!!
(You GO, Brooksie)!


Rush
Always hopeful, yet discontent -
He knows CHANGES aren’t permanent -
              BUT CHANGE IS!!!

RUSH - from “Tom Sawyer”

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Re: GDT#R1G7 Hurricanes @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Apr 24, 2019 NBCSWA, NBCSN, SN, SN360
« Reply #158 on: Saturday April 27, 2019, 11:59:12 AM Eastern »

Hey Beags!
Very wise and well worded post!


Your point #1, saying they didn’t have enough guys with the burning desire....Excellent! It only takes a few guys, with smoldering efforts, to gradually quench the burn in others, within the multiple shift changes, and slowly diminishing RESULTS, that will naturally follow!


We absolutely have a few players, whose attitudes and effort levels are very FICKLE!!
This is the perfect word to describe this phenomenon, that occurs so OBVIOUSLY, in a few of the same guys, (this fickleness), and yet....


In a different group of just a few players, their attitudes and effort levels, are always turned on with “burning desire”!


Then we have the rest of the guys, (the majority), where being classsified into one, or the other, mentioned above, isn’t so obvious.... neither reliably giving it all, nearly all the time, NOR, predominantly lacking in effort, most of the time.


BUT.....we surely know the few names of those that “stick out”, as ALWAYS up and down, (fickle), with attitiude and effort level, and those other few that are “always burning”!
I use FICKLE, because it can imply INTENT, of the player, both good or bad!
Here they are then:


The obviously FICKLE: (with their effort levels), in no order.
1. KUZY
2. VRANA
3. BURA
4. OVI, (maybe excused by his production, etc., but still true)
5. BACKY (hard not to like him, but still true)
6. CARLSON


The obvious 100% effort givers:
1. OSHIE
2. ELLER
3. HAGELIN
4. KEMPNY
5. DOWD
6. JENSEN?
7. WILSON?
8. BEAGLE-(just for sentimental reasons)!


Also Beags, points #2, 3, and 4. Very good, my friend!
I do also blame Rierden, and align more with Kaz’s perspective. He inherited good special teams, so with the overwhelming flatness on PP, showing from the start of the season, with no real tangible, or observable improvement, (unless you think going from abysmal, to below average qualifies), there should have been coaching changes, (Forsythe), or AT LEAST, rumblings of it, in the media, or something.
I have an issue with Rierden, passively giving cute little euphemisms, through the press, in an attempt to “soften” the focus, and significance, of the how these FICKLE effort levels AFFECT GAME OUTCOMES!!!
Attempting to avoid the TOUGH ISSUE, of having to DISCIPLINE some of the BIG NAMES!!


THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT IT.....By keeping the media at bay, with his softer, more vague tone, in his post game interviews....Rierden actually SUCCEEDED!!
And WE, the fans, witnessed ANOTHER low effort, R1, game 7, pathetic loss!! THATS IT, folks!!


NOW....back to the present. I say this just as strongly!
NOTHING, can put a stain on MY Stanley Cup experience! It is an already accomplished, PURE DEED, in and of itself!!


Only those who wish it to be tarnished, for them, and their memories of it, can actually WILL it to be done to themselves! If so, you have my sympathy.


Try to consider that our boys names, hand-engraved, on that majestic trophy, will not be melting away, off of the Cup’s face, like the Wicked Witch of the West, on the steps of OZ, due to this years playoff performance!
I hope your joyful experience of those great moments, stay solidly engraved in you, likewise!


I’m turning the page, people!!!
Thanks, Beags!


Rush
Compare the salaries of the FICKLE group to the 100% Effort group. .  Then look at  the contract lengths too . . .

There’s a pretty good chance that we’ll be HATING the Carlson and Kuzy contracts sooner than later.

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Compare the salaries of the FICKLE group to the 100% Effort group. .  Then look at  the contract lengths too . . .

There’s a pretty good chance that we’ll be HATING the Carlson and Kuzy contracts sooner than later.


Good point DC!
 Had how many are on our successful PP team, as well!
At least they’re working on perfecting that slingshot


Rush
Always hopeful, yet discontent -
He knows CHANGES aren’t permanent -
              BUT CHANGE IS!!!

RUSH - from “Tom Sawyer”