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GDT#79 Capitals @ Lightning 7:00pm Sat Mar 30, 2019 NBCSWA, NHLN, SUN
Beaglefan2:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Monday April 01, 2019, 11:06:43 AM Eastern ---Is it too late to get on the "dooms day" bus?? :rofl: :rofl: Ya'll are gonna worry yourselves to death.. It's gonna be tough, but it's gonna be fun!!! We're cup champs, remember!! They can't take it back.. :raspberry:
Look what's up in Detroit: Madbow lights up Marchand in open ice.
https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2019/04/01/madison-bowey-nails-brad-marchand-with-a-big-hit/
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Wow! I really liked Bowey and thought he was developing nicely. I'm glad we got Jensen, but I think Bowey could emerge as a nice top four guy for years to come. Glad he nailed the Rat.
Mickstix:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Monday April 01, 2019, 12:36:06 PM Eastern ---Yep! Don’t recall him hittin like that here, BTW I put up a hell of a fight from that game.
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And getting 20+ minutes of ice.. They didn't list if he's been on for many GA's but I'd figure probably not if they're giving him that much playing time.. As Beaglefan said, Im glad we got Jensen, but it "appears" Bowey has some chops..
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Monday April 01, 2019, 03:59:39 PM Eastern ---And getting 20+ minutes of ice.. They didn't list if he's been on for many GA's but I'd figure probably not if they're giving him that much playing time.. As Beaglefan said, Im glad we got Jensen, but it "appears" Bowey has some chops..
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Yep, even with Green out, the Wings D is pretty tight, and there’s a lot of good young players coming up. Bowey certainly isn’t guaranteed a starting spot, maybe not even an NHL spot. He’s gonna need to work his ass off for a while
PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Monday April 01, 2019, 08:52:35 AM Eastern ---Rush,
The reason that I make some posts comparing the Caps and other teams is that I sense that some posters, in describing the Caps' shortcomings, seem to describe them in personal terms sometimes, and also, in isolation, as if there wasn't another team on the ice trying to create and take advantage of those shortcomings. It isn't that I'm trying to excuse mistakes; but simply point out that they are an inevitable outcome of a competitive game played by humans, not automatons.
Regarding your school analogy, I first presume you are talking about failure in an educational setting where the material and the teacher are such that passing is an expected outcome (I say that because I have encountered classes where that is NOT the case). Assuming that one's child should reasonably be expected to pass or better, I think your analogy breaks down because unless the teacher grades on a curve, one child's performance is on their own merit, independent of what any other child does. In that case, if you have reason to believe that your child has the capabilities to pass, then no, other children's performance is no explanation/excuse for your child's struggle.
In hockey (and other competitive sports, for that matter), one has to take account of the interdependence between what your team is trying to do and what the opponents are trying to do. Hockey happens to be a "mistake-filled" game because of its speed and the in-your-face play that is allowed. In that environment mistakes WILL happen, on everyone's part. The idealistic vision is to make no mistakes; the real-world goal is to make fewer of them than your opponent.
One comment about Coach Reirdon. Sure, he's made mistakes. He's a first-year coach. If he turns out to be a top-notch coach, which can only be judged years down the road, it will be because he learns and grows into the job. Think Bruce Cassidy. We ran him out of town; now he seems to be a competent and respected head coach. He apparently learned something in the interim. I know it's frustrating sometimes that a team that still seems to be in a possible Stanley-Cup-winning window has to put up with a rookie coach. But the organization clearly wanted to have this guy as their next head coach (you don't just refuse other teams the right to interview one of your staff for a promotion out of spite.) And it just so happened that the expiration of the previous coach's contract coincided with a Stanley Cup, making the transition awkward. If the Caps had figured it out the PREVIOUS year (when they seemed to have their best team on paper) rather than in 2018, and then had done worse last year (which wouldn't have been a surprise given the turnover necessitated by salary cap issues), the transition to Reirden would have been much less awkward.
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Hey Black.
Always appreciate the clarity in your posts. I believe I do get where you’re coming from on this.
I think what you sense, is actually spot on correct, about various posters showing a more personal perspective, when commenting on the Caps issues. And yes, even viewing the Caps in a more isolated fashion, where the considerations of other teams performance, and how it affects our play, is not given much weight. The phrase “tunnel vision”, comes to mind, if I’m understanding your point.
I do agree that we see it here, on the board, all the time. I myself, am not immune to this type of posting, where I’ll spout off some personal feelings of disappointment with some of the Caps shortcomings.
This was why I mentioned my posting having two modes. One more personal, and micro, in viewpoint. The other using more comparison, with the Caps, relative to other NHL teams. More statistical, less personal, and a more macro viewpoint.
One thing to consider Black, (if you haven’t already), is that these two modes of thought are NOT mutually exclusive, and can coexist, and be tapped from the brain at relative times, OR as
my thoughts and emotions sense the need to call on them, for posting or other conversational purposes.
I’m not unique in this either, IMHO, as I have posted with others here, who can share a deep emotional response in one post, and then share later with a lesser feeling post with stats, playoff standing outcomes, injuries around the league, and the like.
In shorter terms, one view comes from “the fan”, in me, and the other more like a detached overview of the Caps vs other teams, objectively.
It is my belief that neither viewpoint is INHERENTLY right OR wrong to possess! One view may provide a more accurate picture of how the Caps stand, generally, against the rest of the NHL, while the other allows, and addresses, the RELATIONSHIP, built over time, that a fan has formed, and their ability to vent both frustration and elation, as it relates to the fans experience.
As far as the school analogy, it comes from a more simple place. I’m guessing you have experience in the education field, from your comments, but the focus of my analogy wasn’t within the more technical aspects of some of today’s differing educational methods, (although, I applaud you’re knowledge of such things)!
Rather, it had a more basic tone to it. That of the child’s failures in school, being quite a “personal issue”, for that individual child’s parents. Whereas those same parents won’t take “personally”, so much, the failures of the other kids in the class!
In the same way, obviously to a much lighter degree, a Caps fan may take more “personal”, the Caps shortcomings, and not care so much about “other” teams.
I feel that the individual child’s parents, aren’t made to feel any better either, just because some of the “other” kids are failing too!!
And to further my point, if it actually DOES make that child’s parents feel better about their child’s poor performance, simply because, well....some others have failed too, then I think they are in error!
Thanks Black! Hope that helps, and I welcome another reply, if you like!
Rush
zerofox:
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I usually just post when I'm mad. And out comes the sailor's dictionary of profanity and hatred towards players and coaches alike. But I do it because I give a shit. If I were a garbage fan I probably wouldn't watch any games, wouldn't really care how the team performed game in and game out, probably would only come out of the woodwork during the playoffs.
Interestingly enough I think the time when I can offer the closest thing to a reasonably intelligent analysis of the team is during the offseason (when they're not even playing!) and discussing the roster and moves, etc. At least at that point in time I'm not blinded by frustration or preoccupied by trying to figure out where on the autism spectrum our coach is.
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