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GDT#74 Lightning @ Capitals 7:30pm Wed Mar 20, 2019 NBCSN
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Thursday March 21, 2019, 09:33:46 PM Eastern ---
If you want to see someone who won't learn anything and doesn't know what he thinks he knows, there is a mirror on the wall over there.
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Sorry, was I a bit over your head, or dead right about you? Don’t worry, you, me and plenty others know I was both. You’re response by simply maintaining your weak and failed personal assaults on me instead of addressing the points I provided just provides all the “evidence” needed to prove that.
Heh fell for the Steckel trap.
But, looks like 33% faceoffs is reliable in your mind. Dowd is also at 50 (which looks great on this team), and was 75% that game. So what does 75% tell you, a luckey day? Or is he winning because he’s figured out the opposition? Keep in mind all TBLs centers are over 50% this year. So parade a <40% faceoff winner out against one of four centers who are ovet 50% because no one else is reliable?
Yeah. Hooks is slow, I said that. So what? You can’t start him on the D zone? Can’t quick change him? Can’t figure out something that won’t expose a mistake prone D for over 20min by double shifting him? Why?
I said that this loss was mainly on Reidon and his unwillingness, or inability to adjust to anything that isn’t just another game. All you did was justifiy and apologize for it:
One game of 75% isn’t reliable for a 50% season long percentage, so its pointless to swap him in for a center that’s <40% for both that game and year.
And Hooks is slow, so it’s right to leave him on the bench whole exposing and overworking a mistake prone D
Your opinion” is this team the greatest and Reidon can do little no wrong because that’s just “today’s NHL”. But hey, it’s easier and more entertaining than being logical, objective, and analytical.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Thursday March 21, 2019, 09:53:34 PM Eastern ---🤣🤣🤣 Sorry, was I a bit over your head, or dead right about you? Don’t worry, you, me and plenty others know I was both. You’re response by simply maintaining your weak and failed personal assaults on me instead of addressing the points I provided just provides all the “evidence” needed to prove that.
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All right -- try this. When did you see Steckel or Beagle take the ice specifically for a face-off late in the game? Generally it was when the team was protecting a lead, or maybe tied. Kuznetsov was taking face-offs late in the game because THE CAPS WERE BEHIND. In that circumstance you don't put a 4th line guy out there for the face-off and hope you can find a chance to get him off the ice; you go with the offensive guy. There of course is another reason why Dowd wouldn't take face-offs in place of Kuzy, and that is because Kuzy generally takes face-offs where you want a LH in the dot, which by the way is on the far side of the ice from the bench, and more difficult to get a change. Dowd is RH. Now Stephenson could then be used in place of Kuzy because he is also LH, but I don't think Reirden trusts Stephenson to do much of anything. He has shown very little this season.
Frankly, I'd like to hear what others think about your and my reasoning and thoughtfulness in understanding the nuances of the game. I personally know NOTHING of what you say I know regarding your and my takes on the game.
And where have I ever said that this team is "the greatest?" You're putting words in my mouth that I've never said. I've pointed out both strengths and weaknesses of this team. You seem fixated on what this team can't do in your opinion, and say almost nothing about what they can do.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Thursday March 21, 2019, 10:25:21 PM Eastern ---
All right -- try this. When did you see Steckel or Beagle take the ice specifically for a face-off late in the game? Generally it was when the team was protecting a lead, or maybe tied. Kuznetsov was taking face-offs late in the game because THE CAPS WERE BEHIND. In that circumstance you don't put a 4th line guy out there for the face-off and hope you can find a chance to get him off the ice; you go with the offensive guy. There of course is another reason why Dowd wouldn't take face-offs in place of Kuzy, and that is because Kuzy generally takes face-offs where you want a LH in the dot, which by the way is on the far side of the ice from the bench, and more difficult to get a change. Dowd is RH. Now Stephenson could then be used in place of Kuzy because he is also LH, but I don't think Reirden trusts Stephenson to do much of anything. He has shown very little this season.
Frankly, I'd like to hear what others think about your and my reasoning and thoughtfulness in understanding the nuances of the game. I personally know NOTHING of what you say I know regarding your and my takes on the game.
And where have I ever said that this team is "the greatest?" You're putting words in my mouth that I've never said. I've pointed out both strengths and weaknesses of this team. You seem fixated on what this team can't do in your opinion, and say almost nothing about what they can do.
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what the hell ever man.. Now that bullshit up there, while humorous is “just balonety”.
So, your advocating to keeping a 30% face winner because the other guy is a “4th liner”, they’re trailing, and the face off dot. All of which completely justifies loosing 60% of faceoffs because these things are law in “Today’s NHL”, and no one can work around them.
Great analysis and understanding of the game there pal! We don’t need faceoffs, we have Kuzy right?
I also didn’t put words in your mouth. You have shown to be a just a hero worshiping zzealot, You only echos weakness that are brought up by others and tries to sell it anc lecture it as his own “expertice”. Faceoffs and are a problem, well no shot!!!
Look at this thread! You praised the “effort”, acknowledged the PK sucks, and defended Reirdon in a 5-4 loss,
So, I gave you only two examples of possibilities Reirdon could have done to increase the chances of winning, or helped to lose. So what, with your vast knowledge of nuances , did you see that he could of done differently?
Kaz:
Longtime listener, first-time caller.
Blackice is right about the faceoff issue. The Steckel/Beagle point is moot because we don't have a faceoff specialist anymore. There isn't anyone we can use (especially LH) to utilize the tactic you're describing. Sheltering Kuznetsov's deployments isn't much of an option, and the only worthwhile wings we have in our top 6 that can reasonably help with faceoffs are both right-handed. So this was an odd point to bring up as a criticism of Reirden.
The Orpik vs. Orlov point is a lesser of two evils thing. With Kempny hurt, Orlov is our best LD. Unfortunately he's also all the things that DC says he is, which makes the loss of Kempny that much worse. What this amounts to would typically be a reason to NOT shelter your 3rd pair if they can play. Jensen has been solid since his arrival and the chemistry with Orpik isn't terrible. With Kempny out we need that pair to eat more minutes.
Tampa is a bad metric to make that kind of choice. If this continues versus lesser teams, I'd consider shuffling the pairs if it'd help Reirden distribute minutes better.
Getting edged out in OT by the best team in the league isn't terrible. The PP goals sank us, and refs swallow their whistles in the playoffs, so I'm not that concerned. I think we can hang with them at evens. Dialing up the physical play without taking penalties would be key.
I'm not wild about Reirden's coaching this year either, but Tampa is a bitch to match up with for any team.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Kaz on Friday March 22, 2019, 05:43:14 PM Eastern ---Longtime listener, first-time caller.
Blackice is right about the faceoff issue. The Steckel/Beagle point is moot because we don't have a faceoff specialist anymore. There isn't anyone we can use (especially LH) to utilize the tactic you're describing. Sheltering Kuznetsov's deployments isn't much of an option, and the only worthwhile wings we have in our top 6 that can reasonably help with faceoffs are both right-handed. So this was an odd point to bring up as a criticism of Reirden.
The Orpik vs. Orlov point is a lesser of two evils thing. With Kempny hurt, Orlov is our best LD. Unfortunately he's also all the things that DC says he is, which makes the loss of Kempny that much worse. What this amounts to would typically be a reason to NOT shelter your 3rd pair if they can play. Jensen has been solid since his arrival and the chemistry with Orpik isn't terrible. With Kempny out we need that pair to eat more minutes.
Tampa is a bad metric to make that kind of choice. If this continues versus lesser teams, I'd consider shuffling the pairs if it'd help Reirden distribute minutes better.
Getting edged out in OT by the best team in the league isn't terrible. The PP goals sank us, and refs swallow their whistles in the playoffs, so I'm not that concerned. I think we can hang with them at evens. Dialing up the physical play without taking penalties would be key.
I'm not wild about Reirden's coaching this year either, but Tampa is a bitch to match up with for any team.
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Fair enogh, but I’m not suggesting swaping a faceoff for Backstrom or even Eller, but for a center that is under 40% not only for a routine basis, but for a season and career.
What’s better a 60-70% chance of loosing on the correct side, or a 50, even 40% chance of loosing on the wrong or unconventional side?
I’d completely agree with you almost all of time. But when a center who takes a large amount of your faceoffs, after four years still can’t win 40% of them on a regular bastdwhat else do you thaj putting someone in that that will win 50 or even 40% of them?
Now, given in the game in question they had last change there where some options, ie Wilon did a right hand, Backstrom for a left hand based on the situation. or send someone else that won’t typically loose 70% of time.
In short, after 4-5 years, still fllat out sucks at faceoffs, so I suggest a reasonable why to compensate for it
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