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GDT#32 Sabres @ Capitals 7:00p.m. Sat Dec 15, 2018 NBCSWA, MSG-B
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 10:11:31 AM Eastern ---Just score more than your opponent works fine for pick-up games on the pond or rec league but thats about it. If thats the case why not just trade/cut Holtby and get web-developer to suit-up and play goalie and get another 40 goal scorer with the cap space so than we win 12-11?
Hell when the only kid/person has goalie equipment, he plays goal doesn't he?
Why doubt them? What trust them? What solid data and analysis supports having blind faith and conifidence in them?
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I agree about the Holtby comment. I feel bad for him. I have read his comments about how he is not happy with the way game is changing. Some teams are still focused on defence but we aren't one of those teams. We are pretty much throwing Holtby under a bus and asking him to bail us out. People think Holtby is playing like crap because his numbers aren't great but that isn't the case. He has had some games. He has also won a few games for us.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 11:08:59 AM Eastern --- I agree about the Holtby comment. I feel bad for him. I have read his comments about how he is not happy with the way game is changing. Some teams are still focused on defence but we aren't one of those teams. We are pretty much throwing Holtby under a bus and asking him to bail us out. People think Holtby is playing like crap because his numbers aren't great but that isn't the case. He has had some games. He has also won a few games for us.
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You're damn right!
Without Holtby, we probably wouldn't be a .500 team this year, and sure we sure as hell wouldn't have a Cup.
The minimal, if any, support from or forwards he gets is "just the new NHL" and none of the Caps players or coaches are accountable for that right?
alta:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 11:46:22 AM Eastern ---You're damn right!
Without Holtby, we probably wouldn't be a .500 team this year, and sure we sure as hell wouldn't have a Cup.
The minimal, if any, support from or forwards he gets is "just the new NHL" and none of the Caps players or coaches are accountable for that right?
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hence my questioning the "classic Holtby" comment
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 11:08:59 AM Eastern --- I agree about the Holtby comment. I feel bad for him. I have read his comments about how he is not happy with the way game is changing. Some teams are still focused on defence but we aren't one of those teams. We are pretty much throwing Holtby under a bus and asking him to bail us out. People think Holtby is playing like crap because his numbers aren't great but that isn't the case. He has had some games. He has also won a few games for us.
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If Holtby is unhappy with the way that the game is changing, he should bring it up to the league office (which, for all I know, he may already have.) It isn't the organization's fault that they are trying to adapt to the way that the league as a whole has changed. And in fact, looking at the GFA and GAA, it appears that the Caps, relatively speaking, may be doing a better job of adapting to the changes than many other teams in the league. I know Holtby would like to return to the days when he was near or at the top in GAA and a Vezina candidate, but if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. You don't see Ovechkin whining about how he could have more goals if he hadn't played most of his career thus far in a relatively low-scoring era in the NHL.
Holtby is a good goalie. He's recognized as such, including financially. His job is to do the best that he can given the game environment in which he is placed, and it may well be that that is exactly what he is doing. If he is unhappy he is a free agent in a couple of years and can seek out an organization that he thinks will protect him better, if that is what he wants to do. If he is worried that his stats are going to hurt his next contract, he can point to his W/L record, his Stanley Cup, his exemplary performance in the playoffs over his career, and he will still be paid handsomely.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Wednesday December 19, 2018, 12:13:08 PM Eastern ---
If Holtby is unhappy with the way that the game is changing, he should bring it up to the league office (which, for all I know, he may already have.) It isn't the organization's fault that they are trying to adapt to the way that the league as a whole has changed. And in fact, looking at the GFA and GAA, it appears that the Caps, relatively speaking, may be doing a better job of adapting to the changes than many other teams in the league. I know Holtby would like to return to the days when he was near or at the top in GAA and a Vezina candidate, but if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. You don't see Ovechkin whining about how he could have more goals if he hadn't played most of his career thus far in a relatively low-scoring era in the NHL.
Holtby is a good goalie. He's recognized as such, including financially. His job is to do the best that he can given the game environment in which he is placed, and it may well be that that is exactly what he is doing. If he is unhappy he is a free agent in a couple of years and can seek out an organization that he thinks will protect him better, if that is what he wants to do. If he is worried that his stats are going to hurt his next contract, he can point to his W/L record, his Stanley Cup, his exemplary performance in the playoffs over his career, and he will still be paid handsomely.
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By recognized you mean having the team play a stat-padding system that puts him in a front of firing squad of quality scoring chances, and a roster with no regard to the PK, shot blocking, or crease clearing right?
If you insist that that is "just the NHL nowadays", and this is beyond the coaches and players control, you have bought yourself a nice bridge.
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