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The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« on: Wednesday December 05, 2018, 04:47:47 PM Eastern »
The Capitals now have a third player injured this year by the type of plays that got Wilson a 20 game suspension. Yet as fans of this team we are told the league does not have any bias against the Caps. When is the league going to prove that. The only bright side is we now appear to have a coach that isn’t afraid to say the same. Something this team has been missing for about 15 years. The locker room appears to agree there is bias as well...


https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2018/12/05/braden-holtby-the-capitals-locker-room-doesnt-have-any-clue-what-the-department-of-player-safety-bases-anything-off-of-anymore/

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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #1 on: Thursday December 06, 2018, 09:23:50 AM Eastern »
Its only marketing.


DOPS can create villains and be a villain to give the press talking points and maintain that they are "cleaning up the game".  This is way there "guidelines" are all subjective so they can direct the narrative of their press and the public view,
 
There is simply no way that this, or a similar "process", can maintain consistency and logic without only black and white objective formulas and specifications. However, when only used subjectivity, its a great marketing process.


The NHLPA is also needs top wake the hell up.  At this point, they should consider requiring all  representatives to have finished college preferably with legal related majors so they can see through this shit better.

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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #2 on: Friday December 07, 2018, 08:02:31 AM Eastern »
Having watched the hit, I don't think Reaves should have received any supplemental discipline, even under the current tougher standards.   Even a few years, ago, the penalty for what he did would have been a minor penalty for interference or whatever.  There was nothing innately suspension worthy about the hit itself.  The unfortunate thing about it was that Wilson's helmet flew off, which is probably why his injury occurred.  But Reaves can't be punished for that.  Was it predatory?  Probably.  But there is not yet any standard for punishment of players because they want to hit someone.  It is what they do that does or does not incur discipline.  And many times we here have said injury alone shouldn't be reason for discipline -- sometimes a play results in an unfortunate injury outcome; it's the nature of the game.


Whatever one thinks of the DOPS in general, IMO they made a decision here that was consistent with their current rules as best they've been able to formulate them, and their intentions for the sport.

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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #3 on: Friday December 07, 2018, 09:17:32 AM Eastern »
Whatever one thinks of the DOPS in general, IMO they made a decision here that was consistent with their current rules as best they've been able to formulate them, and their intentions for the sport.



It's just all the "Predatory/Avoidable" jargon bullshit they spew that pisses me off. If it applies to shit Wilson does, it should apply to everyone! It'd be great if we could say "Just don't suspend anyone for that shit" but we already know that ship has sailed, so equal/consistent discipline for everyone should be the next step, cause they aint going back on their narrative with Wilson.


And for anyone who thinks "It was nearly the same as the Seley hit"  BULL-FUCKIN-LONEY!! (Properly spelled btw!)  :rofl: 

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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #4 on: Friday December 07, 2018, 10:31:41 AM Eastern »

It's just all the "Predatory/Avoidable" jargon bullshit they spew that pisses me off. If it applies to shit Wilson does, it should apply to everyone! It'd be great if we could say "Just don't suspend anyone for that shit" but we already know that ship has sailed, so equal/consistent discipline for everyone should be the next step, cause they aint going back on their narrative with Wilson.


And for anyone who thinks "It was nearly the same as the Seley hit"  BULL-FUCKIN-LONEY!! (Properly spelled btw!)  :rofl:
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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #5 on: Friday December 07, 2018, 10:46:54 AM Eastern »
Nah! S'not gonna let me do it.  Keeps inserting and rearranging stuff and then everything disappears............
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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #6 on: Friday December 07, 2018, 11:40:56 AM Eastern »

It's just all the "Predatory/Avoidable" jargon bullshit they spew that pisses me off. If it applies to shit Wilson does, it should apply to everyone! It'd be great if we could say "Just don't suspend anyone for that shit" but we already know that ship has sailed, so equal/consistent discipline for everyone should be the next step, cause they aint going back on their narrative with Wilson.


And for anyone who thinks "It was nearly the same as the Seley hit"  BULL-FUCKIN-LONEY!! (Properly spelled btw!)  :rofl:
As I said:  It’s all just controlling the narrative for marketing.


By intentionally encouraging or even mandating inconsistency all precedent is distorted and useless.  Useless for reality that is, but is excellent for marketing and continuing the process.


So is the DOPS inconsistenat?  No.   They are just a an arm of marketing and “suplimental entertainment” that uses subjectivity and inconsistency for this result

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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #7 on: Friday December 07, 2018, 01:00:57 PM Eastern »
The issue is the inconsistency of the NHL that says they want to remove head injuries from the game. On October 14 the Panthers Matheson "slammed" the Canucks Petterson to ice, Petterson was not injured but Matheson got a 2 game suspension. On November 14 Morrisey slammed Oshie to the ice, with an immediate and obvious head injury. In the same game Kuzy was intentionally elbowed in the head with injury. Morrisey got a measly $8500 fine for causing a head injury and Tanev got off scot-free. On Dec 4 Willy got blindsided on an illegal play, it was a textbook late hit, and the result was a head injury. We all know had Willy been the one making the hit Willy would have gotten a couple days off, and that was before his suspension this year. The inconsistency from DoPS is well known....

https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2018/4/18/17251694/inconsistent-application-of-rules-hurts-players-winnipeg-jets-minnesota-wild-nhl-playoffs-2018-dops

http://hockeyexplorer.com/2018/01/17/tape2tape-coglianos-suspension-exemplifying-inconsistency/

This is a big problem for the game itself, and for the players whom the league feigns concern of. This problem will not be fixed unless there is enough stink raised about it that the league must fix it
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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #8 on: Saturday December 08, 2018, 12:17:21 AM Eastern »
I’m aware that ONCE a suspension is issued, THEN, injury is allowed to be considered as a factor in the LENGTH of suspension!


I’m also aware that a player can receive suspension time for a hit, EVEN IF, the game referee misses it OR doesn’t call a penalty on the player during the game!


Since the above are both true, it SHOULD BE logical, that any player PENALIZED in a game, for an illegal or late hit, THAT CAUSES INJURY, (sufficient to cause the injured player to miss games), then THAT offending player, should receive a suspension! This is NOT the case, obviously, at DOPS! And I think it should  be a rule! Here’s why:


In Reaves case, the type of hit, (shoulder to shoulder) was legal. The hit WAS obviously intentional, still no problem. Had the hit been one second earlier, before Willy got rid of the puck, even though Willy suffers injury, then there would have been NO PENALTY! Then it’s simply said that “this happens”, in hockey!


The whole issue, (and why Reaves got the major, and game misconduct penalties), was with the TIMING of the hit, obviously! It was LATE!
This is where the rules should call for suspension , because the hit WAS PENALIZED, AND the player suffered injury, to the degree that he will miss a game(s)!


I never realized this wasn’t a rule before! This incident illuminates a need for such a rule, to help define some badly needed consistency at DOPS!
If we’re going to have a softer NHL, and be asked to tolerate its ever growing pussification, then at least be consistent!


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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #9 on: Saturday December 08, 2018, 07:46:55 AM Eastern »
The issue is the inconsistency of the NHL that says they want to remove head injuries from the game. On October 14 the Panthers Matheson "slammed" the Canucks Petterson to ice, Petterson was not injured but Matheson got a 2 game suspension. On November 14 Morrisey slammed Oshie to the ice, with an immediate and obvious head injury. In the same game Kuzy was intentionally elbowed in the head with injury. Morrisey got a measly $8500 fine for causing a head injury and Tanev got off scot-free. On Dec 4 Willy got blindsided on an illegal play, it was a textbook late hit, and the result was a head injury. We all know had Willy been the one making the hit Willy would have gotten a couple days off, and that was before his suspension this year. The inconsistency from DoPS is well known....

https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2018/4/18/17251694/inconsistent-application-of-rules-hurts-players-winnipeg-jets-minnesota-wild-nhl-playoffs-2018-dops

http://hockeyexplorer.com/2018/01/17/tape2tape-coglianos-suspension-exemplifying-inconsistency/

This is a big problem for the game itself, and for the players whom the league feigns concern of. This problem will not be fixed unless there is enough stink raised about it that the league must fix it
The ship has all but sailed to fix the DOPS.


The root of all this, is the NHL believing, and siding with the vocal minority that physicality hurts sales, and speed and skill will sell more tickets.  Which as ratings and fan satisfaction shows, is poor analysis turned into bullshit.


It is actually having the reverse effect that is intended as players get frustrated, reckless, lazy, and with little regard to immediate consequence.  Doesn’t the Wheel Of Justice sound like a better option than getting embarrassed, and eating out of a straw for a few months?


Just look at the Kuzy, Oshie, and Wilson incidents.  Did a series of those incidents like that , in that time that happen 20,15, even 10 years ago?  Or would the hit that gave Wilson a 20 game suspension and the resulting injury have happened if that dumbass kept his head up?


These rules, the DPOS, and using CTE as an excuse, doesn’t work for anything but marketing,media, and talking points

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« Reply #10 on: Saturday December 08, 2018, 08:51:10 AM Eastern »
The ship has all but sailed to fix the DOPS.


The root of all this, is the NHL believing, and siding with the vocal minority that physicality hurts sales, and speed and skill will sell more tickets.  Which as ratings and fan satisfaction shows, is poor analysis turned into bullshit.


It is actually having the reverse effect that is intended as players get frustrated, reckless, lazy, and with little regard to immediate consequence.  Doesn’t the Wheel Of Justice sound like a better option than getting embarrassed, and eating out of a straw for a few months?


Just look at the Kuzy, Oshie, and Wilson incidents.  Did a series of those incidents like that , in that time that happen 20,15, even 10 years ago?  Or would the hit that gave Wilson a 20 game suspension and the resulting injury have happened if that dumbass kept his head up?


These rules, the DPOS, and using CTE as an excuse, doesn’t work for anything but marketing,media, and talking points
     You mentioned Sundqvist not keeping his head up. That is a big issue in today's game. Players arent taught to protect themselves. They think they aren't going to get hit.
       As for the inconsistency by the DOPeS. I dont know how they are determining what us a suspension and what isnt. We see an illegal hit somewhere almost every night. You see a particular hit and try to compare it to another play that was similar. One might get a suspension, the next one doesnt even get looked at. I think the Caps have a legitimate complaint. They have lost 3 top 6 forwards due to concussions on illegal hits. 2 of those plays were considered penalties and the other play got a fine but zero suspension time.
     Even though those 3 players have missed a combined 15 games with those injuries and that number is climbing.

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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #11 on: Saturday December 08, 2018, 09:06:54 AM Eastern »
The ship has all but sailed to fix the DOPS.

The root of all this, is the NHL believing, and siding with the vocal minority that physicality hurts sales, and speed and skill will sell more tickets. 



That all makes sense, but why they giving Reaves a pass? Not like he's some NHL darling or anything. He has history, plus reputation of late, blind hits. I believe as recently as a game or two before, he hit someone late as hell with their back to him? NHL could care less. Maybe it's because he's black? Can't appear racist, just do whatever you want, as long as it's not to the head!! 


Like I said before, Ovie and Willy just need to crouch down a little and start hitting the fuck out of everyone. No head contact, no problem! Late? No problem! In the back? No Prob!! Predatory? Who cares!! Avoidable? Sure, why not, no biggy! But the guy could be out for a month due to his head hitting the ice?? Oh well, should of taken up tennis, it's only interference!! He wasn't hit in the head was he? Wait, he WAS!! Aww hell, you goin to jail now!!! Get out of our league you oversized goon!!  :wackysmile:

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Re: The hypocrisy that is DoPS
« Reply #12 on: Saturday December 08, 2018, 01:06:20 PM Eastern »

That all makes sense, but why they giving Reaves a pass? Not like he's some NHL darling or anything. He has history, plus reputation of late, blind hits. I believe as recently as a game or two before, he hit someone late as hell with their back to him? NHL could care less. Maybe it's because he's black? Can't appear racist, just do whatever you want, as long as it's not to the head!! 


Like I said before, Ovie and Willy just need to crouch down a little and start hitting the fuck out of everyone. No head contact, no problem! Late? No problem! In the back? No Prob!! Predatory? Who cares!! Avoidable? Sure, why not, no biggy! But the guy could be out for a month due to his head hitting the ice?? Oh well, should of taken up tennis, it's only interference!! He wasn't hit in the head was he? Wait, he WAS!! Aww hell, you goin to jail now!!! Get out of our league you oversized goon!!  :wackysmile:
They need to make the “right” call every now and the. to keep the facade up.  Given that it was Wilson who’s being marketed as a dirty player. and probably pissed off the DOPS Gustavo during his appeal, and since it was an easy choice