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GDT#24 Capitals @ Islanders 7:00 p.m. Mon Nov 26, 2018 NBCSWA+, SN, MSG+
PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday November 27, 2018, 07:08:09 AM Eastern ---I hate to even point this out, because it feels like some sort of a jinxing comment, but .....
the Caps haven't lost since Oshie and Kuznetsov left the lineup. And they've been playing good, and hot, teams since then.
Puck, I think you're spot on mentioning Jaskin and Dowd. The question is, are they the type of players who can tide you over for a short time but eventually get exposed if they play too much, or are they guys who can contribute longer-term? We'll see.
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That’s really IS the question, Black!
I think it’s one of those questions, that all the analysis of analytics, and all the eye tests, can’t really answer!
We are left only to throw our palms up, and say the wiser phrase that “only time will tell”!
I will say that I’m pleasantly encouraged at the hunger level, some of these potential “temps”, are playing at recently! Coach Rierden, and staff, are worthy of some early praise, to be sure!
One thing Rierden has been saying, repeatedly, since the beginning of the season, is his heavy emphasis on who is taking advantage of the opportunities given to them, and who is NOT!
Even though he had most of the roster return, he has had more than his share of decisions to make about who plays, and seems to be adhering pretty closely to what he’s been preaching!
Opportunities abound!
We shall see!
Rush
Mickstix:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday November 27, 2018, 10:24:25 PM Eastern ---And then there is one outlier among the "losers" who has gone virtually unmentioned on this site this season, after having had a decent amount of good things said about him here last year. That outlier is Chandler Stephenson.
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No doubt! Have thought that a few times this year.. But he's not really done anything bad/wrong to be called out for (enough to notice) so, as you say, he's just been kinda invisible. Hopefully he get some shine here soon.
PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday November 27, 2018, 10:24:25 PM Eastern ---Over the years there has been a lot of back and forth about the meaning, or lack thereof, of +/- stats.
I find it interesting that the +/- "losers" for the Caps at this point are precisely the players that are being criticized most frequently on this site -- Orlov, Niskanen, Eller, and Burakovsky.
And then there is one outlier among the "losers" who has gone virtually unmentioned on this site this season, after having had a decent amount of good things said about him here last year. That outlier is Chandler Stephenson. I think he's been unmentioned because he has basically been invisible; done virtually nothing of note after having drawn some attention to himself last year. I wonder what's up with him? Soph slump maybe? It happens to some players.
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I agree about Stephenson. I liked him last year. Still have hope for the guy, BUT...
It really has been a kind of “crickets” thing with him, so far this year!
Being small on the radar this season, so far, is not exactly a positive thing, for him!
He brought a lot of spotlight to himself, with his good play last year, but so far, nothing special right now! For now, I’ll keep it optimistic, and say he is overdue! But just like the last post, “time will tell”!
Since I was just looking at stats today, I did notice one positive for him. He is one, of only 5 skaters on the Caps, who have more takeaways than giveaways.
If memory serves me right, the others were DSP, Jaskin, Eller, and Dowd!
A few of our better “possesion” guys were about even, i.e. Backy, Kempny, Kuzy, etc.
+/-, really is tricky to use, at best!
IMO, it’s a somewhat OK indicator, but even with that, you really need a large sample size, to use as a stand alone stat. (I don’t even recommend as a stand alone stat).
It is a much better stat when put alongside other Corsi-type stats, for a more relative, overall picture!
One of the flaws in it, is that it’s accuracy is theoretically improved, if all the lines were determined, by game #1 of the season, and STAYED that way ALL YEAR!
The first 20-25 games are filled with line experimentation, then consider injuries, player scratches, individuals, on a roll, or in a slump, and you have one hell of a mess, for +/- accuracies!
Insightful post, Black.
Rush
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Tuesday November 27, 2018, 11:03:56 PM Eastern ---
No doubt! Have thought that a few times this year.. But he's not really done anything bad/wrong to be called out for (enough to notice) so, as you say, he's just been kinda invisible. Hopefully he get some shine here soon.
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Stephenson hasn't played well this season. I think it would help if he had regular line mates and played his normal position. He has played on all 4 lines playing both LW and rw but has yet to play his original position which is center.
The thing we do need to remember about Stephenson is that he is here because if his defensive play. I hope you can get things going.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: PUCKNRUSH on Tuesday November 27, 2018, 11:05:44 PM Eastern ---
I agree about Stephenson. I liked him last year. Still have hope for the guy, BUT...
It really has been a kind of “crickets” thing with him, so far this year!
Being small on the radar this season, so far, is not exactly a positive thing, for him!
He brought a lot of spotlight to himself, with his good play last year, but so far, nothing special right now! For now, I’ll keep it optimistic, and say he is overdue! But just like the last post, “time will tell”!
Since I was just looking at stats today, I did notice one positive for him. He is one, of only 5 skaters on the Caps, who have more takeaways than giveaways.
If memory serves me right, the others were DSP, Jaskin, Eller, and Dowd!
A few of our better “possesion” guys were about even, i.e. Backy, Kempny, Kuzy, etc.
+/-, really is tricky to use, at best!
IMO, it’s a somewhat OK indicator, but even with that, you really need a large sample size, to use as a stand alone stat. (I don’t even recommend as a stand alone stat).
It is a much better stat when put alongside other Corsi-type stats, for a more relative, overall picture!
One of the flaws in it, is that it’s accuracy is theoretically improved, if all the lines were determined, by game #1 of the season, and STAYED that way ALL YEAR!
The first 20-25 games are filled with line experimentation, then consider injuries, player scratches, individuals, on a roll, or in a slump, and you have one hell of a mess, for +/- accuracies!
Insightful post, Black.
Rush
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You are right into your corsi stats. Worst stat in hockey and coaches and players will tell you that.
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