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GDT#40 Devils @ Capitals Dec 30, 2017 7:00pm EST NBCSPW
Mickstix:
Yea, they don't have the guts to trade him at the deadline. The only guts our GM(s) have, is when spending Ted's money. Then when they walk for nothing just "aww shucks.. nothin' we could did boss" :-\
Rush:
Well folks, you know I had to chime in on this!
So we all hear over and over again, that the NHL has changed. Defenseman have a different role now, more offensive, faster, more tactical approach, WHATEVER!!! I'll even concede it's true!!
This ALSO MEANS that, if so, it is then RELATIVE, as a standard to judge them on, regardless of whether we like the changes or NOT! ....SO....
I'll give FULL personal credit to Carlson for his shot blocking abilities, as his numbers are decent there! I'll give him MINIMAL, PERSONAL credit, for his great POINTS total! WHY? Because he is given an Incredibly lopsided opportunity to attain those points. Ultra-high TOI, with our top goal scorers on the ice with him! ADD to that his opportunistic presence on the PP, and you've got the whole picture!! ANYONE, including my grandma, would have those numbers, with such a potential!!
His LOWEST ON THE TEAM, Shooting percentage, combined with his 2nd HIGHEST on the team in shot attempts, (only OVI has more shots), wins him the title of the #1 "DUD SHOOTER", on the team! So then, ask yourself WHY, he shoots so much! The answer is in COMPLETE SELFISHNESS, as a player!
When JOHN CARLSON takes ALOT of SOG's, he is improving his Corsi (+\-), when HE is on the ice! He knows his Corsi is negative, and ATTEMPTS to "shoot his way out of it"!! Not giving a DAMN about how his "Inaccuracy", affects how it potentially robs someone else, (any other MORE ACCURATE shooter), of their opportunity!! Think about how this "Tokemaster king", must see himself, in order to KEEP ON shooting duds, game after game, shift after shift, NOT EVEN EMBARRRASED, when he PERPETUALLY misfires!!! NORRIS TROPHY MY ASS!!! And this isn't even addressing defensive skills, yet!!
I'll concede that there may be a SLIVER of improvement, generally speaking, in some dreamy cloud of his overall play, but saying we wouldn't be where we are NOW, without him!!! Those thoughts must come out of the same "bong circle" that Carly joins, pre-game!! LOL
Rush
DC_1908:
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--- Quote from: richkrt99 on Sunday December 31, 2017, 07:36:36 PM Eastern ---Sorry to chime in so late. I watched game around midnight. Carlson doesn’t suck but don’t think anyone is saying so. Those of us watching him for years realize the guy is a vanilla marshmallow and it is infuriating especially considering his size. He could be a great defenseman IF he would hit someone occasionally and therefore make that a knowing threat an opponent has to watch for. It simply makes a more effective player. Take Orpik as an example. Who do you think opponents worry about more...Carlson or Orpik
Orpik is old and slow and overpaid, but he single handedly turned the game around the other night with a big hit. He will also stand up for a teammate and Carlson will never ever do that and that’s what I want from my defensemen.
Carlson does make the Caps a better team but I would not call him Elite.
Realistically I can’t see how the Caps can afford to pay what he will demand next year. I personally don’t think he is worth 7 mil but he will likely get it from someone.
I am disappointed the Caps did not use him for trade bait years ago but I will concede Carlson has improved and his last two years have been his best. His seemingly bong-smoking attitude is amplified by thesame Lackluster effort shown by the old core here.
Sorry for the rant. Good to see folks back on these boards hope to participate in real time again...someday
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Well said - couldn't agree more. If the Caps had smart management they would be sellers at the trade deadline and get a huge return on Carlson. I know, I know, this would make us weaker when we have one last chance at a Cup. Blah, blah, blah - same old reasoning we have had for years with no results - with having Carlson on the ice for all our epic playoff failures. Trade him, let Chorney or some Hershey call-up fill in. It really won't be that big of a drop off and we can start rebuilding - both the prospects and the culture!
Sorry for the rant. Good to see folks back on these boards hope to participate in real time again...someday
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I agree, to bad they don’t have a young overpaid Dman that is ready to step up and not only take Carlson’s place but to do better than him.
Or so GMBetaMale thought, at least should have . The contract Orlov conned GMBetaMale into all but doomed us from keeping Carlson. Not just in the cap space, but with the market value.
But as Mick said moving Carlson (or Orlov) won’t happen, at least not with this GM
Beaglefan2:
Rush - you actually think Carlson thinks about his CORSI? You are giving him way too much credit. He is just a bad shooter - always has been.
Regarding his point totals, you are spot on - he gets way too much credit for passing over to Ovi on the PP. Yes, he is decent at it, but how many times with his molasses style, has he been slow to get the puck to him? I would rather see Orlov on the PP any day.
What I don't get about Carlson, is that he used to be pretty good bringing the puck up the ice and now he seems afraid to do it and shows a lot of indecision. Part of it is the stupid drop-pass that everyone is doing, however he regressed well before that. It is pretty humorous though watching Carlson slowly skate up the ice to do the drop pass. Half the time he just blindly drops it backwards, almost giving it to the other team. Now THAT would be classic Carlson.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Beaglefan2 on Tuesday January 02, 2018, 08:57:31 AM Eastern ---Rush - you actually think Carlson thinks about his CORSI? You are giving him way too much credit. He is just a bad shooter - always has been.
Regarding his point totals, you are spot on - he gets way too much credit for passing over to Ovi on the PP. Yes, he is decent at it, but how many times with his molasses style, has he been slow to get the puck to him? I would rather see Orlov on the PP any day.
What I don't get about Carlson, is that he used to be pretty good bringing the puck up the ice and now he seems afraid to do it and shows a lot of indecision. Part of it is the stupid drop-pass that everyone is doing, however he regressed well before that. It is pretty humorous though watching Carlson slowly skate up the ice to do the drop pass. Half the time he just blindly drops it backwards, almost giving it to the other team. Now THAT would be classic Carlson.
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Carlson’s shot totals are certainly part of how he’s used in the system, particularly the PP. They certainly want him to make a high volume of shots to first put the puck on net for a rebound, am secondly to pull the coverage off Ovie for the cliche one-timer.
That being the case, there has been little change to the PP since outs so the league has long since figured it out.
But I agree with you completely about the “drop passes” and the other ridiculous amount turnovers and occasionally lazy style . . . for him to be the “elite” dman everyone says, that’s gotta be better. . . and even then, he’s just, and only just, an “offensive defenseman”, which is marketing label for a “fourth forward who can skate backwards well. We’ve all seen them cost way more goals and games than they’ve caused or won.
And we have one leading all of our Dman in ice time
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