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PUCKNRUSH:

--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Friday September 21, 2018, 09:22:46 PM Eastern ---    I never said it was a fact. It is speculation. It is my opinion that Orpik and the Caps discussed this option before the trade was made. After the trade was made there was rumors that the Avalanche would buy out Orpik and the Caps might sign him. This was before Colorado even bought out Orpiks contract. As soon as that deal was made everyone knew Orpik would get bought out.

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Orpik claimed he felt  blindsided when it happened. Heres a partial piece in an article on the subject. Maybe this will help:
***Orpik was packaged with goalie Philipp Grubauer in a trade with the Colorado Avalanche. Washington received a draft pick and cap flexibility, Colorado received a starting caliber goalie at a cheaper price than it would have cost them without Orpik in the deal and Orpik suddenly received an uncertain future.
[/color]"I completely understood what was going on, I just had no knowledge it was coming," Orpik said. "Even when you understand that side of the business, you still get blindsided by it a little bit."
[/color]Colorado general manager Joe Sakic soon began shopping Orpik and, when there were no takers, Orpik's contract was ultimately bought out, making him a free agent.***
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[/color]Later on in the piece, Orpik went on to say that he didn’t think resigning with the Caps was even possible. Here it is:
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[/color]*** By rule, when a team buys out a player's contract, they cannot immediately re-sign that player just to circumvent the salary cap. Washington, however, didn't buy out Orpik. Colorado did, which opened the door for a return to Washington.
[/color]It was a scenario Orpik had not considered after the trade.
[/color]"I didn't really think [signing with Washington] was even a possibility," he said. "I know how it works, if you get bought out, you can't re-sign with a team for one calendar year. I don't know if anyone's ever even tried to or contemplated doing that after a buyout or if it's ever happened that way, trade, buyout and try to go back.
[/color]"It took awhile. I thought I was signing somewhere else, to be honest, but it worked out in the end." ***
[/color]The whole article is actually a nice read. It’s dated 9/10/18, by JJ Regan, from Sports Washington, if you care to check it out.
[/color]Looks like there’s larger concerns, early out, for us Caps fans.  That Carolina game was pathetic tonight!
[/color]TTYL, Maaco
[/color]Rush

Maacoshark:
    Rush you dont actually believe all that. Do you think all transactions are honest?

PUCKNRUSH:

--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Saturday September 22, 2018, 09:00:28 AM Eastern ---    Rush you dont actually believe all that. Do you think all transactions are honest?

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Sometimes you baffle me, buddy, I have to admit.
Nice try to “flip the script”, Maaco, as they say in the hood!
The real question would be why YOU WOULDNT believe it, or at least accept it as plausible!
And I will ignore the passive-aggressive, veiled attempt, at informing me, that you are so less gullible than I, about these things. But it was kinda pompous-ass-ish, to be sure!👎


To ask a rhetorical, yet kindergarten level question, about whether ALL transactions are honest, (the obvious answer being “of course all transactions are not honest), is completely VOID of any substantive recourse, on your part, to the article. It’s a practice in avoidance!


I will assume that you are NOT claiming that the actual WORDS of all parties quoted, were not said. In other words, you believe that all parties were at least quoted properly, AND, if so, then what in the hell is dishonest about it!
You must mean that what the parties said, actually happened, BUT, you think they are lying and covering up something, i.e., like they had already known, secretly, that Brooks was coming back!!


Do you have a special connection to any family member or relative of the GM’s of either the Caps or Avalanche? Are you and Brooks on talking terms? How many NHL negotiations have you sat in on, oh wise one? None of the above, right? Or else, can we say we would have seen you mention your awesome connections on this board before, correct? Most likely, the reason you deem their very words as dishonest, is simply that you have PRONOUNCED IT SO, here on the forum. Oh physician, please heal thyself!!


Maaco, does it not make sense to you that:
1) Colorado’s GM would have tried to shop Orpik around the league first, in order to at least get a little money back, before buying him out, making him a free agent, and thusly Colorado getting back ZILCH!
Any potential taker, prior to Colorado’s buyout, would have meant Orpik on ANOTHER team! That’s what has been stated. That makes logical sense!! Where is the DISHONESTY in that??


2) Orpik stated he was hoping for other offers, but NONE CAME!! (Same thing experienced by Colorado’s GM)! AMAZING! What, are they both lying??  NO!!! So I say again, Sir, that’s what has been stated. That makes logical sense!! Where is the DISHONESTY in that??


If you’re not sure if you are getting your ass handed to you here, verbally, let me help. YOU ARE!!
I don’t take too kindly to that style of subtle inference, assuming my cognitive level of understanding things is inferior to yours! Especially when I get the sense that you feel you’ve wrapped it all up for me, in “clever paper”! Its childish at best! I expect more respect from a person of your caliber! I ask that you please try to refrain from that style with me, in the future. Thank you.


You may want to consider re-reading the article, digest it a bit, post back to me your SUBSTANTIVE comments on the matter, and let’s have some good back and forth. Whaddya say?


Rush







Maacoshark:
     Sure its possible that Colorado tried to shop Orpik and it is possible that Orpik could gave signed with another team. Do you realize that the NHL was investigating this transaction? So the responses made by all involved were the only responses they could make. Whether it was true or not.
     BTW this long post you made was a total waste of time. There were no facts. And apparently you arent paying attention. I have already said that this is only speculation on my part. I dont have any facts either. Can you not accept the fact that the Caps could have possibly exploited a loophole.
      Plenty of teams have exploited loopholes. Why do you think it isn't possible for your team to do so? That's exactly how Leaf fans talk. There team can do no wrong.
And Rush I am not losing this argument if it even is an argument because Im not actually saying the caps are guilty. My opinion does lean in that direction though. And even if they did intentionally exploit a loophole in was a good move by GMBM and I'm fine with it.
   
   

Maacoshark:
   One more note. You keep saying the Avalanche tried to trade Orpik even though Sakic said right after the trade was made that they would be buying out Orpiks final year. Orpik never lasted 3 days with the Avalanche.
    I think he was put on waivers the day after he was traded to the Avalanche. Doesnt sound like they tried to trade him.

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