Talk about Capitals hockey & more! > Washington Capitals & Other Hockey Discussion
Capitals 18-19
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Saturday September 08, 2018, 07:25:44 PM Eastern ---When I say high end potential, I mean top 6. The only player of the ones you named who could have that is Gersich, and I say that only because he is still pretty young and lightning could strike. But really, all of these guys are bottom 6.
Burakovsky was never drafted to be a bottom 6 player. He was drafted to try to hit a home run. I wouldn't say his selection was a swing and a miss, but it really hasn't been more than a loud foul thus far.
--- End quote ---
Oh yeah, the Caps brand “Top 6” or “Bottom 6”with a hot iron on their forehead the day they show up don’t they?
And what makes a Top 6? Popularity? Salary? a few points? situations? minutes? using a toe pick? jersey sales? 12 year old fans, or just “indentifying” or being identified as a “Topv6” player? Because there a lot of “Bottom 6” players that are superior athletes with higher IQs than lazy one way players that are “indentied” as “Top 6”
Funny cause the best game of the year by a “second line left wing”, was by what you would refer to as a trash bottom 6 player Chandler Stevenson.
You can dress 18 players, 12 forwards. . . clinging to the mentality of first best group of three scorers to forth best group of three scorers in their “identified” postitions is just simplistic, and short sighted
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Saturday September 08, 2018, 09:20:53 PM Eastern ---Oh yeah, the Caps brand “Top 6” or “Bottom 6”with a hot iron on their forehead the day they show up don’t they?
And what makes a Top 6? Popularity? Salary? a few points? situations? minutes? using a toe pick? jersey sales? 12 year old fans, or just “indentifying” or being identified as a “Topv6” player? Because there a lot of “Bottom 6” players that are superior athletes with higher IQs than lazy one way players that are “indentied” as “Top 6”
Funny cause the best game of the year by a “second line left wing”, was by what you would refer to as a trash bottom 6 player Chandler Stevenson.
You can dress 18 players, 12 forwards. . . clinging to the mentality of first best group of three scorers to forth best group of three scorers in their “identified” postitions is just simplistic, and short sighted
--- End quote ---
I agree with your assessment. For some reason people think top 6 players need to be flashy skilled players. I also agree that Stephenson was very good on that 2nd line. It was very noticeable in the first round of the playoffs when Stephenson was moved to that line in the 3rd game and they were matched up against the Panarin line which dominated in the first 2 games. That strategy worked and Stephenson did not hurt the team offensively. Infact I feel he was a lot better in a top 6 role than Burakovsky ever was. Most of Burakovskys success was on individual plays. He needs to utilize his teammates better and he needs to learn to play a 200 foot game.
PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: RavenCp on Saturday September 08, 2018, 02:06:16 PM Eastern ---I like how Varana is molding into a great player, Caps should lock him. Bura probably will become a bargaining chip. I don't see an easy way for him, but he can become a great player somewhere else. Well, he still has a chance with Caps, but time is running out.
--- End quote ---
Hey Raven. Good point throwing Vrana into the discussion ring with Bura.
Although it’s still too early to be definitive, (Vrana’s relatively smaller sample size), but by contrast to Bura’s, Vrana has already begun to show a more conspicuous positive response, after receiving his dose of “humble pie” disciplinary actions, last season! He had a Trotz reset, or two, a few scratches, and a good ol’ scoring slump, to boot!!
I recall reading somewhere, early on, last season, that he, like Bura, may have suffered from thinking a bit too highly of himself and his abilities, as well!
Vrana, then, IMO, is the far easier choice between the two, to be viewed with more optimism! And rightly so!
Ice makes a good case too, that Vrana’s play has put distance between him and Bura, and that it really IS Vrana’s job to lose! Conversely, Bura would have to really light it up, CONSISTENTLY, in order to level that field, again, IMHO.
I, for one, will be VERY curious as to how our new head coach will handle Bura! One thing I think, that can surely be said, is that Bura, practically MUST, step it up a notch, both early on, and in an obvious manner, as the very pressure that seems to get to him, will be heavier than ever!
Rush
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: PUCKNRUSH on Saturday September 08, 2018, 11:33:12 PM Eastern ---
Hey Raven. Good point throwing Vrana into the discussion ring with Bura.
Although it’s still too early to be definitive, (Vrana’s relatively smaller sample size), but by contrast to Bura’s, Vrana has already begun to show a more conspicuous positive response, after receiving his dose of “humble pie” disciplinary actions, last season! He had a Trotz reset, or two, a few scratches, and a good ol’ scoring slump, to boot!!
I recall reading somewhere, early on, last season, that he, like Bura, may have suffered from thinking a bit too highly of himself and his abilities, as well!
Vrana, then, IMO, is the far easier choice between the two, to be viewed with more optimism! And rightly so!
Ice makes a good case too, that Vrana’s play has put distance between him and Bura, and that it really IS Vrana’s job to lose! Conversely, Bura would have to really light it up, CONSISTENTLY, in order to level that field, again, IMHO.
I, for one, will be VERY curious as to how our new head coach will handle Bura! One thing I think, that can surely be said, is that Bura, practically MUST, step it up a notch, both early on, and in an obvious manner, as the very pressure that seems to get to him, will be heavier than ever!
Rush
--- End quote ---
I wouldnt say Vrana is turning into a great player yet. He is showing signs of being a good player much like Burakovsky has. Just because a player is flashy and makes the IDD highlight reel play doesnt make them a good player. Vrana wasnt even the best rookiue forward the Caps had last season. Stephenson is head and shoulders above Vrana right now.
PUCKNRUSH:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Sunday September 09, 2018, 10:00:27 AM Eastern --- I wouldnt say Vrana is turning into a great player yet. He is showing signs of being a good player much like Burakovsky has. Just because a player is flashy and makes the IDD highlight reel play doesnt make them a good player. Vrana wasnt even the best rookiue forward the Caps had last season. Stephenson is head and shoulders above Vrana right now.
--- End quote ---
I think I mostly agree with you, Maaco??? (as far as Vrana not being a great player, yet)!
But since you chose to quote my post for your response, I’m trying to figure what your point is, to me??
No where in my post do I claim Vrana to be a “great player”. Nor did I comment on him being “flashy” or making the “IDD highlight reel”! I also wouldn’t form opinions using such superficial evidence, either!
What my post WAS, was my opinion, using a singular, comparison/contrast, between Vrana and Bura, as to how they have responded AFTER being disciplined!...That’s it!...Stephenson was also never mentioned!
Funny thing is, FWIW, I hold a very high opinion on Stephenson, myself, JUST LIKE YOU!👍👍
Just wasn’t part of my post, you quoted!
Feel free to add a little clarity, if I’ve misunderstood your response.
Thanks
Rush
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version