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Honestly, I've been happy with MacLellan
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: KitFisto on Saturday June 23, 2018, 10:03:47 PM Eastern ---
And I'm saying you're wrong. You hate management so much that no amount of winning will change your mind. Thinking BM had nothing to do with this cup is ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE at best and flat out stupid at worst. He added the pieces that pushed this team to where McPhail couldn't in 16 years. Failure after failure by McPhail is met with your praise. Lousy coach after lousy coach and you try to claim it's not on McPhail, but Ted made those decisions. To be blunt, you are so full of dislike for management that NOTHING will change your mind.
You call BM "beta", but your precious McPhee wouldn't add a physical defenseman for over a decade if his life depended on it.
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Something could change my mind, how about at least 3 Cups in 6 years?
You’re so high on the fact that we “finally” aren’t one of the teams that could not win 4 best of 7 series, that you forgot why it took 40+ yesrs in the first place, let alone that was the 10th year of the 3yr “have a chance” plan
(Oh, and GMGM went out and got England and Sbisa, both of which could snap the necks of any Caps D man. But given the GMs don’t have much control, that’s not the only reason he’s called BetaMale)
Do you seriously think GMBetaMale could of taken VGK to the final? If so, would the Caps have lasted 5 games against the Messiah?
zerofox:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Saturday June 23, 2018, 09:54:52 PM Eastern ---Why?
You’re assuming the GM is the totalitarian architect of the Caps. While that’s true with some teams, it sure as hell isnt with The Caps. Just look at the Trotz thread.
Monumental Entertainment decided that “to have a chance” to win a Cup, is more profitable than saying “we will win a Cup”. That’s why it took 10yrs to catch lightning in bottle.
Mind you, without Ted, Dickless, and Monumental, “McPhail” took an expansion team in one year to where the Caps had only been once in over 40.
Without Ted, Dickless, and Monumental stepping on GMGMs toes, this certainly wouldn’t of been our first Cup
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Do you think that VGK's success was due to McPhee or due to how the expansion draft was structured? Could another GM have done a similar job if they were allowed to build a team from scratch by picking players from the other teams?
Yes McPhee "took" an expansion team to the finals in one year when the Caps have only been there twice in 40+ years. But the expansion allowed McPhee to fully construct a roster from scratch with a more favorable expansion structure, which is not something MacLellan had the ability to do. On the other hand, McLellan achieved in 4 years what McPhee couldn't in 16, and they did it under more comparable conditions.
All we have to compare right now is McPhee vs. MacLellan as GMs of the Capitals, in which case I'd take McLellan's 1 Stanley Cup/2 President's Trophies/4 straight playoff appearances in 4 years over McPhee's 0 Stanley Cups/1 President's Trophy/10 playoff appearances in 16 years any day. It doesn't make sense to speculate if MacLellan would have been as successful with VGK, but the facts are MacLellan did in four years what McPhee couldn't do in 16.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: zerofox on Saturday June 23, 2018, 10:55:42 PM Eastern ---
Do you think that VGK's success was due to McPhee or due to how the expansion draft was structured? Could another GM have done a similar job if they were allowed to build a team from scratch by picking players from the other teams?
Yes McPhee "took" an expansion team to the finals in one year when the Caps have only been there twice in 40+ years. But the expansion allowed McPhee to fully construct a roster from scratch with a more favorable expansion structure, which is not something MacLellan had the ability to do. On the other hand, McLellan achieved in 4 years what McPhee couldn't in 16, and they did it under more comparable conditions.
All we have to compare right now is McPhee vs. MacLellan as GMs of the Capitals, in which case I'd take McLellan's 1 Stanley Cup/2 President's Trophies/4 straight playoff appearances in 4 years over McPhee's 0 Stanley Cups/1 President's Trophy/10 playoff appearances in 16 years any day.
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An excellent example of syllogistic “logic”. The messiah picture you’re trying to create isn’t working.
I really hope you’re drinking good stuff tonight and not just the Tedsville KoolAid.
The bigger picture is Monumental wanted to market “have a chance”, and sell that more than winning multiple Cups.
zerofox:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Saturday June 23, 2018, 11:18:19 PM Eastern ---An excellent example of syllogistic “logic”. The messiah picture you’re trying to create isn’t working.
I really hope you’re drinking good stuff tonight and not just the Tedsville KoolAid.
The bigger picture is Monumental wanted to market “have a chance”, and sell that more than winning multiple Cups.
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So is your gripe more with Ted and Dick Patrick? If so I still don't see why you hate GMBM so much.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: zerofox on Saturday June 23, 2018, 11:37:02 PM Eastern ---
So is your gripe more with Ted and Dick Patrick? If so I still don't see why you hate GMBM so much.
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I know you don’t. He’s entertaining.
Just look at his trade and UFA signing history. That’s all you need to see that GMs and agents think of him as the red-headed step child they can bully into doing what they want.
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