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chas:
--- Quote from: Ozzies09tc on Friday June 22, 2018, 07:20:10 PM Eastern ---Grubs and Orpik to Avs for a 2nd
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Grubauer is a starting goaltender on practically any other team. Good for him and thankfully in the other conference.
BlackIce:
So here's where the team stands at this moment:
9 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 1 goalie currently signed and on the active NHL roster. They are
Ovie Kuzy __________
Vrana Backy Oshie
Bura Eller Connolly
Stephenson _______ __________
Orlov Niskanen
________ ___________
Djoos ___________
Holtby
So obviously, we need to sign, resign, or otherwise bring up to the roster 4 defensemen, 4 forwards, and a backup goalie at minimum; i.e., 9 players.
The current total cap hit of the 13 players listed above is $57.4 million, leaving us about $22 million under the $79.5 million cap.
If we sign Wilson (which is a certainty) and Carlson (far from a certainty), it will probably cost us somewhere between $11 million and $12 million of cap space, leaving us $10 million + for the other 7 players.
[/size][size=78%] Kempny, Smith-Pelly, and Beagle might cost us a total of $5-6 million, leaving us $4 million + for the other 4 players.[/size]
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[/size][size=78%]Bowey is almost a certainty to be on the roster full-time next year. He is due a bit of a raise, though I'd hope not too much of one -- maybe $1.3 million or so. The other 3 players would HAVE to be minimum salary players. This makes me think that not all of Kempny, Beagle, and Smith-Pelly are going to be signed, which would save a million or so dollars apiece if minimum-salary players are used instead. I think Kempny would be my first priority to sign, though with the good end of season he had someone might try to steal him out from under us.[/size]
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Ozzies09tc:
It's been said in a few articles pheonix copley will backup holtbeast next year.
I believe he is on a minimum salary so there's another roster spot filled with little cap used.
waynerivers:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Friday June 22, 2018, 07:35:28 PM Eastern ---
That may seem like not a whole lot in return, but the key to the deal was not what they could get for Grubauer, it was getting rid of Orpik's salary. You can bet your booties that NOW they are going to do everything they can to sign Carlson and probably Kempny as well. One big problem with the Caps' salary structure all along was that Orpik's contract lasted one year past the end of Carlson's. Now that $5.5 million problem is gone, and they didn't even have to buy him out, which would have given some, but not as much, cap relief and dragged the issue out another year.
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Seems like it's all about the money now. So, we basically gave away Grubauer in order to lavish money on Carlson. Now, I think Carlson should be resigned but it wasn't too long ago that everybody hated him for his defensive lapses. I wonder how long it might be until that happens again, especially if we don't add a physical d-man to replace Orpik. Orpik was getting up there but he was reliable.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: waynerivers on Saturday June 23, 2018, 11:50:05 AM Eastern ---
Seems like it's all about the money now. So, we basically gave away Grubauer in order to lavish money on Carlson. Now, I think Carlson should be resigned but it wasn't too long ago that everybody hated him for his defensive lapses. I wonder how long it might be until that happens again, especially if we don't add a physical d-man to replace Orpik. Orpik was getting up there but he was reliable.
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Oh, it's ABSOLUTELY all about the money. Now I realize you had images of getting more in return for Grubauer, and MacLellan said that he could have gotten at least a bit higher draft choice for Gruby alone. But before you pooh-pooh a mid 2nd round draft pick, remember that Grubauer was a 4th rounder. Adding Orpik actually detracted from the return, and in fact, the Avalanche have made clear that Orpik will not be in their organization when the season starts.
From the Caps' point of view, their choices boiled down to
(1) No Grubauer, the draft pick they got, Orpik still on the team next year, no Carlson
vs.
(2) No Grubauer, a better draft pick, Orpik and his salary cap hit gone, good chance to resign Carlson
The Caps chose (2). Would you have chosen differently?
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