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RavenCp:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Saturday June 30, 2018, 12:41:50 PM Eastern ---Everyone here seems disappointed that we are losing Beagle. I'm still not convinced that he won't he back. I'm sure teams will show some interest but he won't be getting a big contract or a longterm deal.
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Agree. He has a lot of respects from the Fans.
May be he is looking for a bigger role, rather than 4th line center, although he plays PK, too.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: RavenCp on Saturday June 30, 2018, 01:01:09 PM Eastern ---Agree. He has a lot of respects from the Fans.
May be he is looking for a bigger role, rather than 4th line center, although he plays PK, too.
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A couple of years ago he was 3rd line center for a little bit -- which I think he said at the time was his ultimate goal in the NHL. Then the Caps traded for Eller specifically to fill that role, because he's a couple of steps above Beagle in offensive potential and also a good defender, and Beagle was bumped back down. To be honest, I think 4th line C is the role Beagle is made for. He not only plays PK, he plays a lot in the last 5 minutes of games where the Caps are trying to hold a lead. Especially on defensive zone face-offs, down the stretch it was usually Beagle and either Eller or Backstrom on the ice. Whose ice time is cut back to accommodate that change? Well, Ovie for one. If you watch carefully, you will not see him much down the stretch in games where the Caps have a 1-goal lead. Conversely, of course, you see a heck of a lot of him down the stretch in games where the Caps face a 1-goal deficit.
If Beagle is going to get a 3rd line center role, it's going to be on a lesser team. Which would he rather do, have a greater role on a lesser team or a lesser role on the Caps? Of course, there IS always the money. It's one thing for a 26-year-old DSP to take a lesser offer to stay on a team that is a good fit, where he can potentially build his resume. It's quite another for a 33-year-old Beagle to do it.
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: Mickstix on Saturday June 30, 2018, 09:51:27 AM Eastern ---Nobody's really mentioned Beagle as being "glue".. Loosing guys like him can take a toll in other ways, besides taking faceoffs and killing penalties, etc.. We've lost Orpik, probably Beagle.. Who's the other "hard working" veterans that set an example for the locker room? Oshie? That's about it and he's only been here a few years.. Im sure Nicky, Ovie, Carlson, etc. work hard, but I've never heard mention of their "work ethic" or anything..
Just something else to think on, when we say our apparent goodbye's to another excellent heart/motor man.. :-(
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Wilson. Believe it or not, he is a 5-year vet now.
If Orpik is not brought back, I wonder who if anyone gets his "A"? Who are the viable candidates? Oshie, I'd think. Maybe Wilson, but he's a little young despite his vet status. Carlson maybe -- it might not make motivational sense, but it would make organizational sense. He IS a long-time vet after all, and he will be around for 8 more years.
Devise:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Saturday June 30, 2018, 12:41:50 PM Eastern ---Everyone here seems disappointed that we are losing Beagle. I'm still not convinced that he won't he back. I'm sure teams will show some interest but he won't be getting a big contract or a longterm deal.
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All the rumors right now say he's already agreed in principle to a 3 year deal with the Vancouver Canucks at a AAV of 2.5 per year. So yeah....I do think we have lost him. Beagle is just being nice at this point. Ergo he's waiting till after the day of FA to see if Caps counter offer, or if he just goes with the deal he agreed upon.
Biggest:
No question Beags will be missed. Hell, we all love the kid - how there is simply no 'cheat' in his game. Never a passenger, always giving it his all and being damned effective at the Dot and on the PK. Tough to replace, for sure. But that's FA, and Beags deserve to get paid. And we simply can't bring everyone back although I would love it if by some miracle Jay returned. Latest rumor I'm hearing is he's going North of the Border, possibly Vancouver. Time will tell. That said, I really love Stephenson's speed and versatility. That versatility is something he and Beags both have in spades, but Chandler is a speedster and Beags is not. We'll be OK, but our boys need to work on their face-offs or we're going to have a noted drop off at the dot in our Cup defending season that starts in the fall.
--- Quote from: Devise on Saturday June 30, 2018, 12:18:18 AM Eastern ---
Our best hope is Stephenson, who showed flashes of defensive acumen during the playoffs combined with speed. But personally I'd be much more comfortable with our bottom six with BOTH Beagle and Stephenson. Considering we have kept DSP as well, throw Eller into that mix? Management shouldn't let the Cup star gaze them, our bottom six were HUGE for the Cup win this past season. Ovie came alive again following the 2nd round, but there several tight games against Tampa elimination games, and even in the 2nd round where it was our role players + TJ Oshie carrying us to wins.
Jay Beagle is huge in all of that, so I hope we can keep him. His faceoff and penalty killing alone, but he also makes some of our other role players better.
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