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GDT R4G2 Capitals @ Knights 2018-05-30 8:00pm EST NBCSW, CBC, SN, TVAS
chas:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Thursday May 31, 2018, 08:39:05 AM Eastern ---Agreed! This is effective far less than is designed or/expected (if at all), and typically ends up costing us. If they keep this up it will certainly end up costing us big
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I am picking on anyone in particular. But they look for that outlet far too often. Other teams have to know this.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: KitFisto on Thursday May 31, 2018, 11:56:56 AM Eastern ---
Without a cross check setting up a layup goal, we could be up 2-0.
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Sure, or it could of won the first and lost second and it will still be 1-1
Both where close games, but still no reason to cry victim and be delusional that we are playing a dangerous opponent who is craving victory and the NHL officials and rules are both inept and corrupt.
So, we can cry, or give it back it to em. . .
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Thursday May 31, 2018, 11:43:48 AM Eastern ---So the Caps definetly, assuredly, and absolutely want a Cup more than a team of players that where deemed expendable by their organizations that are on a historic pace in their first year?
And why? They've had plenty of chances in the past 10 years, but now they "want" it?
People can underestimate and demean VGK all they want, but it doesn't change the fact this is best team we've played this year, the only one who didn't write us off as an easy win, and the hungriest with the most to prove. . .
Without Holtby having an historic 3rd period, and/or weird bounce off a forwards pad. . .we could easily be down 2-0.
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You DO realize, of course, that between "them wanting it more than us" and "we wanting it more than them" IS a middle ground where both teams are hungry to an equivalent degree? As for other teams writing us off as an easy win, I call baloney on that, too. Nobody writes anybody off in the playoffs until they are complete, because all players know that when you do, it is the surest formula for defeat.
I agree, Vegas has reasons to be hungry. So do we -- a decade of frustration and now we have gotten to the finals and, one way or the other, the end is in sight. I'll leave it to others to argue which situation breeds more hunger. My thinking is that the primal instinct to win drives all athletes, especially once the ultimate prize is this close.
And I'm not arguing with you that Vegas is the best team we've played this year. Heck, in an earlier thread somewhere I posted that it appeared exactly that way to me when I saw Vegas in DC during the regular season. I said we seemed to be ready for the game (because Vegas had a great record coming in, so no reason to downplay them) but still seemed to be chasing the game, which we lost, the entire time. It seemed to me that we were overmatched in that game more than any other that we were ready for they entire season. So no, none of what Vegas has done surprises me at all, given what I've seen.
What surprises me about Vegas is only secondarily the success they've had as a first-year franchise. What REALLY surprises me is the success they had as a FIRST-DAY franchise. They have been as good as or better than any other team in the NHL from the first puck drop in the first meaningful (regular-season) game of their existence. Nobody, including Vegas I suspect, can begin to understand how this could have happened. It is as if they needed absolutely NO learning curve whatsoever. We talk all the time about how players need to gain experience and learn certain skills and qualities intrinsic to winning and how to play as a team. So nowhere on the Vegas squad was there ever any need for even one day -- one game -- to learn any of that, ever?
I am 70 years old, and I guarantee you, this is the most astounding story I have ever seen in sports, no matter which franchise wins the Cup. Unfathomable.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Thursday May 31, 2018, 02:26:31 PM Eastern ---
You DO realize, of course, that between "them wanting it more than us" and "we wanting it more than them" IS a middle ground where both teams are hungry to an equivalent degree? As for other teams writing us off as an easy win, I call baloney on that, too. Nobody writes anybody off in the playoffs until they are complete, because all players know that when you do, it is the surest formula for defeat.
I agree, Vegas has reasons to be hungry. So do we -- a decade of frustration and now we have gotten to the finals and, one way or the other, the end is in sight. I'll leave it to others to argue which situation breeds more hunger. My thinking is that the primal instinct to win drives all athletes, especially once the ultimate prize is this close.
And I'm not arguing with you that Vegas is the best team we've played this year. Heck, in an earlier thread somewhere I posted that it appeared exactly that way to me when I saw Vegas in DC during the regular season. I said we seemed to be ready for the game (because Vegas had a great record coming in, so no reason to downplay them) but still seemed to be chasing the game, which we lost, the entire time. It seemed to me that we were overmatched in that game more than any other that we were ready for they entire season. So no, none of what Vegas has done surprises me at all, given what I've seen.
What surprises me about Vegas is only secondarily the success they've had as a first-year franchise. What REALLY surprises me is the success they had as a FIRST-DAY franchise. They have been as good as or better than any other team in the NHL from the first puck drop in the first meaningful (regular-season) game of their existence. Nobody, including Vegas I suspect, can begin to understand how this could have happened. It is as if they needed absolutely NO learning curve whatsoever. We talk all the time about how players need to gain experience and learn certain skills and qualities intrinsic to winning and how to play as a team. So nowhere on the Vegas squad was there ever any need for even one day -- one game -- to learn any of that, ever?
I am 70 years old, and I guarantee you, this is the most astounding story I have ever seen in sports, no matter which franchise wins the Cup. Unfathomable.
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I am saying that we should treat this opponent as a rabid dog going after a porterhouse, and to match the ferocity, effort, and tactics each shift.
As for their instant success, while it is a perfect storm, there is a reason they picked these players when "better" or "bigger" names where available, a reason they have six alternates and no captain, an abrasive asshole for a coach ( who was one of my favs growing up), and a owner who has demanded excellence from the entire organization from day one and has gotten it. This is not a normal team, a normal organization, operating from normal philosophies, and the same mindset as everyone else. . . and this what started them to get here and after that it falls into place.
So 10 years of "maybe some day", 30+ years of frustration needs to be turned up even more, and "its ok that we made it this far" needs to not be tolerated
Ozzies09tc:
Caps win the cup, pundits will say "they beat a brand new team in the NHL with a bunch of 3rd liners"
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