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Willy, why are we not surprised
Devise:
--- Quote from: alta on Thursday May 03, 2018, 10:17:47 AM Eastern ---Because of fan and player complaints we have the Cindey rule. Yet diving is rarely enforced. When it is, it's somehow matching minors. If a player dives to draw a penalty, how is there an infraction on the other player? If there was no dive, %99.99998 of the time there is no offending penalty in the first place. Has Cindey ever been suspended for his flagrant diving? Or his widely known dirty play? I don't pay enough attention to dirty players to know.
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I don't know if anyone has ever been suspended for diving. But to your diving to draw a penalty argument, there are instances where bringing two players to the box make sense. Not all dives are on plays that aren't penalties. You can get high sticked in the face and no sell it like a man, or you can throw you hands and stick in the air and make it blatantly obvious you were hit. It would still be a dive if they just nicked you and it wasn't nearly as bad as your making it out to be. If your natural reaction to the pain isn't to drop to the ice like a baby, then you should still get called for trying to sell it. Sometimes you'll see the refs get this right.
But more often than they get it wrong and miss the real blatant dives. And the real blatant cheap shots too if we are being honest. As much as we put all this blame on the refs, I think it's one hundred percent on the players. I do think the lack of the enforcer has created a situation where the game isn't nearly as honest as it used to be, but the players themselves still try very hard to manipulate the calls. They complain even when it's close or the ref got the call right but it was close the other way. They sell calls. All teams have players who do this, even us. Players will turn their backs intentionally to draw calls etc. When the refs are being manipulated like that all game, they are naturally going to get shit wrong because they may think a problem player is trying to sell something on either side. And in those instances sometimes hard refs will stop calling anything on either side, you see that sometimes late in playoff games.
alta:
--- Quote from: Devise on Saturday May 05, 2018, 01:22:33 AM Eastern ---
I don't know if anyone has ever been suspended for diving. But to your diving to draw a penalty argument, there are instances where bringing two players to the box make sense. Not all dives are on plays that aren't penalties. You can get high sticked in the face and no sell it like a man, or you can throw you hands and stick in the air and make it blatantly obvious you were hit. It would still be a dive if they just nicked you and it wasn't nearly as bad as your making it out to be. If your natural reaction to the pain isn't to drop to the ice like a baby, then you should still get called for trying to sell it. Sometimes you'll see the refs get this right.
But more often than they get it wrong and miss the real blatant dives. And the real blatant cheap shots too if we are being honest. As much as we put all this blame on the refs, I think it's one hundred percent on the players. I do think the lack of the enforcer has created a situation where the game isn't nearly as honest as it used to be, but the players themselves still try very hard to manipulate the calls. They complain even when it's close or the ref got the call right but it was close the other way. They sell calls. All teams have players who do this, even us. Players will turn their backs intentionally to draw calls etc. When the refs are being manipulated like that all game, they are naturally going to get shit wrong because they may think a problem player is trying to sell something on either side. And in those instances sometimes hard refs will stop calling anything on either side, you see that sometimes late in playoff games.
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Point is, and it was in there, DOP has laid down the law the day after before. On bad hits that deserved further punishment and on hits where the zebras either missed it or like Willy's that were determined it was a legal check. Willy's isn't the first time, by a long shot. If they really wanted to fix diving they could do the same there, as they are fully aware of it.
I don't pay attention to Premier League, but didn't they fix the epic diving they get over there? Where a guy fiends injury only to have the camera show him burying his face in the turf to hide his laughter.
KitFisto:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Friday May 04, 2018, 10:16:15 PM Eastern --- Are you guys talking about the series we lost to Tampa Bay
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Yeah
BlackIce:
Actually, I was thinking and evaluating the Wilson hit pretty carefully over the last day. Because of the laws of physics, the reason the other player got hit in the face was precisely BECAUSE Wilson followed the league directives regarding hitting, to the letter. In other words, the calamity occurred precisely BECAUSE the hit was legal. I'd give a long, detailed explanation, but you all are getting ready for the impending game 5 and wouldn't be interested.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Saturday May 05, 2018, 06:40:12 PM Eastern ---Actually, I was thinking and evaluating the Wilson hit pretty carefully over the last day. Because of the laws of physics, the reason the other player got hit in the face was precisely BECAUSE Wilson followed the league directives regarding hitting, to the letter. In other words, the calamity occurred precisely BECAUSE the hit was legal. I'd give a long, detailed explanation, but you all are getting ready for the impending game 5 and wouldn't be interested.
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While admirable, that may not of been necessary.
Rule 48, like seemingly over 90% of the NHL rule book is obtoose, subjective nonsense that is designed as marketing, or in support of marketing to “allow” for inconsistent decisions.
When they do these hearings, they do it in reverse logic to create the narrative
-player hurt with ink to the head
-was there a conciussion? No. But jaw is on the head, so will call it a “head it”, so it looks like we’re roughing up on head injuries.
-So we’re going to do a suspension: LETS GO FRSNE BY FRANE AND WRITE THE STORY that begins with: “As the video clearly shows. . . “
They had Wilson’s suspension decided when the Hen payed on the ground and Lumpy called Gary and cried about his player getting hurt
Bottom line, the rules are written to allow manipulation and corruption by design. So the definition of “legal” depends on the narrative they want to promote
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