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Playoffs around the league for 2018
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Monday May 21, 2018, 06:19:51 AM Eastern ---I say go ahead and give the same draft rules to them. If the new expansion teams GN can do what GMGM did, more power to then, ok fact it would be funny to see em try.
Yes, their expansion draft allowed a bigger pool than any before. But the owners, GMs, and NHLPA agreed to it. The other GMs had the time and data to make GMGMs job all but impossible. But, they thought that “it’s an expansion draft, will keep our popular, NMC, and our “best players”, and pick or scrub and take en with you to the desert.
And GMGM took them ALL to school. He scouted drafted IQ, character, and contracts, to make an unconventional team that dominates them all.
A team with no superstars, no captain but six alternates, running a defensive system with liittke to no flash/dangling/toe drags. players that say “we” anytime they speak, and the players not only buy in, but demand this of each other.
So maybe this isn’t as much of a black-spot, but a black-eye this league needed to remind them there isnt just one way to build a winning team. Now watch as teams start modeling the way they build their rosters after VGK, and watch Gary, the NHLPA, and their agents go nuts over it.
So, sure give the next expansion team the same thinng. Hell, give em an extra 5-6mil on thier cap to, doesn’t matter because they’re not gonna do it better than Vegas did.
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Vegas did a good job building this team but I still think the rules helped then immensely. I'm not convinced the rules will be the identical in the next expansion.
I think the other teams will look at this and make wiser decisions.
There was a lot of good talent available in this draft. There was a lot that Vegas left out there. They drafted a combination of youth and experience. They got 3 or 4 guys that were already proven goal scorers. They picked up some highly touted prospects that hadn't yet made a name for themselves. They end up getting a guy like Alex Tuch. The guy us 6'4 and 220lbs and has some skill. He was a first round pick for a reason. Another good young player they got was Shea Theodore. He was also a first around draft pick. Both those guys are only 22 years old. This team looks goods for the future too.
You know this team has depth when they bring over Vadim Shipachyov , a star in Russia and he can't make the lineup.
They also benefitted from teams making bonehead decisions. Florida probably being the worst. They kept 4 dmen and 4 forwards instead of 3 and 7. Why the FUCK would they keep Yandle over Marchessault. Yandle is an aging one dimensional defence man with a high Cap hit. Vegas wasnt likely to select him so why protect him and expose a young 30 goal scorer.
Caps fans made me laugh thinking Vegas was going to take Grubauer. There was too many goalies available. I wished they did take Grubauer.
Sorry for ranting. This whole Vegas thing has turned me off of hockey. I'm not even sure if I want the Caps to get to the finals. I'd rather lose to Tampa than Bettmans own personal team.
waynerivers:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Monday May 21, 2018, 10:27:05 AM Eastern --- Vegas did a good job building this team but I still think the rules helped then immensely. I'm not convinced the rules will be the identical in the next expansion.
I think the other teams will look at this and make wiser decisions.
There was a lot of good talent available in this draft. There was a lot that Vegas left out there. They drafted a combination of youth and experience. They got 3 or 4 guys that were already proven goal scorers. They picked up some highly touted prospects that hadn't yet made a name for themselves. They end up getting a guy like Alex Tuch. The guy us 6'4 and 220lbs and has some skill. He was a first round pick for a reason. Another good young player they got was Shea Theodore. He was also a first around draft pick. Both those guys are only 22 years old. This team looks goods for the future too.
You know this team has depth when they bring over Vadim Shipachyov , a star in Russia and he can't make the lineup.
They also benefitted from teams making bonehead decisions. Florida probably being the worst. They kept 4 dmen and 4 forwards instead of 3 and 7. Why the FUCK would they keep Yandle over Marchessault. Yandle is an aging one dimensional defence man with a high Cap hit. Vegas wasnt likely to select him so why protect him and expose a young 30 goal scorer.
Caps fans made me laugh thinking Vegas was going to take Grubauer. There was too many goalies available. I wished they did take Grubauer.
Sorry for ranting. This whole Vegas thing has turned me off of hockey. I'm not even sure if I want the Caps to get to the finals. I'd rather lose to Tampa than Bettmans own personal team.
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Vegas is good because they made very shrewd picks. Outside of James Neal, none of the guys they picked up front had had impressive stats before. I made an earlier post on this. It was similar on defense. They picked guys who were steady and skilled rather than flashy. The flashiest guy they got back there was Schmidt who never, ever should have been available to begin with. You don't protect a 31 year old Niskanen on the downside over a 26 year old Schmidt coming into his own. Good for Schmidty, though. I'm sure he was glad to escape DC.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: Maacoshark on Monday May 21, 2018, 10:27:05 AM Eastern --- Vegas did a good job building this team but I still think the rules helped then immensely. I'm not convinced the rules will be the identical in the next expansion.
I think the other teams will look at this and make wiser decisions.
There was a lot of good talent available in this draft. There was a lot that Vegas left out there. They drafted a combination of youth and experience. They got 3 or 4 guys that were already proven goal scorers. They picked up some highly touted prospects that hadn't yet made a name for themselves. They end up getting a guy like Alex Tuch. The guy us 6'4 and 220lbs and has some skill. He was a first round pick for a reason. Another good young player they got was Shea Theodore. He was also a first around draft pick. Both those guys are only 22 years old. This team looks goods for the future too.
You know this team has depth when they bring over Vadim Shipachyov , a star in Russia and he can't make the lineup.
They also benefitted from teams making bonehead decisions. Florida probably being the worst. They kept 4 dmen and 4 forwards instead of 3 and 7. Why the FUCK would they keep Yandle over Marchessault. Yandle is an aging one dimensional defence man with a high Cap hit. Vegas wasnt likely to select him so why protect him and expose a young 30 goal scorer.
Caps fans made me laugh thinking Vegas was going to take Grubauer. There was too many goalies available. I wished they did take Grubauer.
Sorry for ranting. This whole Vegas thing has turned me off of hockey. I'm not even sure if I want the Caps to get to the finals. I'd rather lose to Tampa than Bettmans own personal team.
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Oh and Fla also sent them Riley Smith for a 4th round pick at the draft . . . a 4th round
Also CBJ BJd it to, Karrlson a first and 2nd . . . to dump a contract.
Like I said earlier, this the wake-up call the NHL needed. It's clear the GMs thought and took for granted that GMGM would build VGK like any other team, particularly expanding in a non-traditional environment. Tradition would say that players the like of Iginla, Stall. Gabronick, Doan, Campbell, Jack Johnson, Patrick Sharp, Nick Kronwall, Bobby Ryan and Mike Fisher would be picked up by a team with 100% free cap space. They may be overpaid, they may be declining, but they are popular and can be put on billboards and sell jerseys which is what an expansion team needs, or so one would think.
But, GMGM knew this, knew what the other GMs wanted him to do, then laughed and did what they didnt expect, or would think could win . . .and built a team of depth players with good contracts and the closest thing to a star being the goalie.
Ultimately, GMGM and VGK knew their opponents, and their oppents underestimated them.
waynerivers:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Monday May 21, 2018, 11:34:37 AM Eastern ---Oh and Fla also sent them Riley Smith for a 4th round pick at the draft . . . a 4th round
Also CBJ BJd it to, Karrlson a first and 2nd . . . to dump a contract.
Like I said earlier, this the wake-up call the NHL needed. It's clear the GMs thought and took for granted that GMGM would build VGK like any other team, particularly expanding in a non-traditional environment. Tradition would say that players the like of Iginla, Stall. Gabronick, Doan, Campbell, Jack Johnson, Patrick Sharp, Nick Kronwall, Bobby Ryan and Mike Fisher would be picked up by a team with 100% free cap space. They may be overpaid, they may be declining, but they are popular and can be put on billboards and sell jerseys which is what an expansion team needs, or so one would think.
But, GMGM knew this, knew what the other GMs wanted him to do, then laughed and did what they didnt expect, or would think could win . . .and built a team of depth players with good contracts and the closest thing to a star being the goalie.
Ultimately, GMGM and VGK knew their opponents, and their oppents underestimated them.
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Right. Yet he couldn't do it in DC. Maybe making DC hockey the Ovechkin show wasn't such a great idea.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: waynerivers on Monday May 21, 2018, 11:19:13 AM Eastern ---
Vegas is good because they made very shrewd picks. Outside of James Neal, none of the guys they picked up front had had impressive stats before. I made an earlier post on this. It was similar on defense. They picked guys who were steady and skilled rather than flashy. The flashiest guy they got back there was Schmidt who never, ever should have been available to begin with. You don't protect a 31 year old Niskanen on the downside over a 26 year old Schmidt coming into his own. Good for Schmidty, though. I'm sure he was glad to escape DC.
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or Brayden McnNabb over Marion Gaborik or Jerome Iginla?
or Shelmco over Joe Thornton, only to trade him for a pick the next day
And yes GMBetaMale utterly fucked this expansion draft up. Yeah, NMC provided, leave Nisky and Schmidt, and if your just gonna extend Bura, and Eller during the season, why not do so before the draft so the cap hits tougher. ..
Most of all, how GMBetaMale wouldn't know or figure out what his former boss would do, is simply inexcusable
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