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POLL: Capitals Goalie going into the playoffs
BlackIce:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday April 03, 2018, 12:47:06 PM Eastern ---So Grubby is on the same level as a two rime Vezna finalist and winner the past two seasons?
I see where saying, and you’d be correct except for one thing: minutes. Now rather Holtby being over worked has lead to this slump or not, can only be estimated or assumed. So we do know is Grubbys numbers are in a small window in certain situations and typically lower scoring teams. This leaves us with “the chance” he has both the consistency and work ethic Holtby does to replace and do better than someone who finished as one of the top three goalies in the past two years.
I sure as hell ain’t takin those odds with that data
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Yes, Gruby MAY be on the same level as a Vezina-quality goalie. We don't know for sure. The problem with the minutes argument is that it is circular logic. Since the Caps made the franchise commitment to Holtby awhile back, Grubauer has been the backup goalie by definition, which means he doesn't get the minutes. But then you are trying to turn the logic around and say that since Grubauer hasn't gotten the minutes, he's just a backup goalie and can have no claim to being as good as the starter. It simply isn't true. I understand that there is still doubt about Grubauer until he gets a chance to shoulder the majority of the load for a significant amount of time. But that is what it is -- doubt, not certainty.
For those of you who are claiming that Grubauer has gotten the lesser teams/lower-scoring teams during his time in DC, have you done your research and made sure those statements are true? Or are you simply stating "conventional wisdom?" Even if there is some truth to it, certainly over the years some of the more lopsided losses the Caps have had have been to lesser teams, where it seems they weren't ready to play. In those circumstances, categorizing a goalie's performance by the supposed quality of the opposition runs into a snag.
KitFisto:
My issue is without Mitch Korn being around Holtby seems to struggle. A player can't be dependent on a single coach. It's like he forgets how to play unless Mitch is here.
DC_1908:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday April 03, 2018, 02:55:39 PM Eastern ---
Yes, Gruby MAY be on the same level as a Vezina-quality goalie. We don't know for sure. The problem with the minutes argument is that it is circular logic. Since the Caps made the franchise commitment to Holtby awhile back, Grubauer has been the backup goalie by definition, which means he doesn't get the minutes. But then you are trying to turn the logic around and say that since Grubauer hasn't gotten the minutes, he's just a backup goalie and can have no claim to being as good as the starter. It simply isn't true. I understand that there is still doubt about Grubauer until he gets a chance to shoulder the majority of the load for a significant amount of time. But that is what it is -- doubt, not certainty.
For those of you who are claiming that Grubauer has gotten the lesser teams/lower-scoring teams during his time in DC, have you done your research and made sure those statements are true? Or are you simply stating "conventional wisdom?" Even if there is some truth to it, certainly over the years some of the more lopsided losses the Caps have had have been to lesser teams, where it seems they weren't
L ready to play. In those circumstances, categorizing a goalie's performance by the supposed quality of the opposition runs into a snag.
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Sorry man, if I submitted something like you’re suggesting, without a distinct detail on how it would, not could work , my director and VP would laugh because they me go I’m joking for proposing a strategy with minimal and thing other “ya never know”
I know the “Hate Holtby and Grubby is the Messiah and Gives our CHANCe” is just a sideshow for entertainment and distraction and creating a scapegoat when Dickless and BetaMale rollout their annual excuses
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: BlackIce on Tuesday April 03, 2018, 11:19:56 AM Eastern ---Just because the Caps committed to Holtby as their franchise goaltender before Grubauer established himself doesn't mean that Holtby is a better goaltender. It just means that the franchise made a commitment to him.
Look at Gruby's stats. He is absolutely in the conversation about who is the better goalie. There is no simply declaring that Holtby is unquestionably better, because the evidence doesn't support it. Two seasons ago Grubauer had a little bit worse performance stats, last year they were almost identical, and this year Grubauer's performance stats have been better. All this while Grubauer has never had even treatment with Holtby being the franchise commitment. Not that I'm complaining about this; the franchise made its decision and to this point has played it out. So be it. But that has NOTHING to do with a legitimate comparison of the quality of the two goalies.
The franchise is approaching a decision point with Grubauer. They have RFA control of him for one more year, though they will need to give him a significant raise (or I would presume that Gruby would take them to arbitration.) But I COULD see someone signing Gruby to an offer sheet this summer that the Caps cannot match and making a commitment to him as their starter. If that doesn't happen, I assume Gruby is gone after next season if Holtby is still around, one way or another.
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I don't just use stats when judging how good a goaltender is. Grubauer is playing very well right now but he is not a great technical goalie. Holtby is better technically.
Maacoshark:
--- Quote from: DC_1908 on Tuesday April 03, 2018, 12:47:06 PM Eastern ---So Grubby is on the same level as a two rime Vezna finalist and winner the past two seasons?
I see where saying, and you’d be correct except for one thing: minutes. Now rather Holtby being over worked has lead to this slump or not, can only be estimated or assumed. So we do know is Grubbys numbers are in a small window in certain situations and typically lower scoring teams. This leaves us with “the chance” he has both the consistency and work ethic Holtby does to replace and do better than someone who finished as one of the top three goalies in the past two years.
I sure as hell ain’t takin those odds with that data
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I agree with DC. Grubauer has played well in limited playing time and for the most part he has played bottom teams. He just started a game against the Pens for the first time in his career.
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