R1G1 Caps at Rangers @ 3pm

[alta]

I hate to use the "if that had been Tom Wilson" thing, but it is a fair comment in this case, and if it had been Wilson, there is no question in my mind he would have been penalized, thrown out of the game and suspended.

Im pretty sure we are all on the same page with that. But, personally, I do get tired every now and then of pissing uphill into the wind.

[Surreylily]

I ALWAYS check out (thanks Alta) who the refs are.  Many of the old biased bastards have gone, but there are still a few left. Refs have their tendencies and preferencies.   What they will let slide, what their bug bears are.

There has been a whole new generation of refs come through recently and they seem less influenced by "Toronto" and the golf set than previously.

Don't get me wrong, Vegas is very much the shining light these days, whereas the sun that used to shine out of the Penguins arse is very much dimmed..........   

[Surreylily]

Im pretty sure we are all on the same page with that. But, personally, I do get tired every now and then of pissing uphill into the wind.

A bit like being a Caps fan then.   

[alta]

Refs have their tendencies and preferencies.   What they will let slide, what their bug bears are.

This is fine, as long as it’s consistent, and consistently enforced on both teams.


I used to watch rounders a lot. There were umpires behind the plate that were very inconsistent during a game. What was a strike in the 1st inning wouldn’t be by the 4th, but would be again by the 7th. Those umps had very thin skin when called out on it.

[Surreylily]

If I was a youngun'', take Milly for instance, but it could be ANY of 'em, but I would need to make a speech.   ..... 


"     I came here from a winning team.  A serial Calder Cup winning team, to play for a Stanley Cup winning team.  Once upon a time......  I thought that was to improve my hockey skills,  not my golf handicap.

This may be my only chance, my only opportunity........   An injury, a concussion..........  any split second this dream could be over.
   I ain't here for the laughs.  Take a shit or GET OFF THE POT.  Some of us want to play.  Some of us aren't so good at losing as you old fuckers!
  Some of us may never get this chance again.

YOU OLD BASTARDS HAVE A RESPOSIBILITY TO US.     "
 

[Surreylily]

This is fine, as long as it’s consistent, and consistently enforced on both teams.


I used to watch rounders a lot. There were umpires behind the plate that were very inconsistent during a game. What was a strike in the 1st inning wouldn’t be by the 4th, but would be again by the 7th. Those umps had very thin skin when called out on it.

 

[richkrt99]

Lest ye not forget...the game was in NY...for some reason the refs ALWAYS favor the Rags in NY during the playoffs.
Think its only ever been worse in a few SHittsburg series than vs NYR in NY
To me I dont think it was total lack of effort.  Some yes, but they just looked gassed.  It's not that the would not compete, but that they could not compete.
Still..you got to get up for the big games. 

[Surreylily]

Lest ye not forget...the game was in NY...for some reason the refs ALWAYS favor the Rags in NY during the playoffs.
Think its only ever been worse in a few SHittsburg series than vs NYR in NY
To me I dont think it was total lack of effort.  Some yes, but they just looked gassed.  It's not that the would not compete, but that they could not compete.
Still..you got to get up for the big games.

And I thought I was delusional.   

[Surreylily]

Lest ye not forget...the game was in NY...for some reason the refs ALWAYS favor the Rags in NY during the playoffs.
Think its only ever been worse in a few SHittsburg series than vs NYR in NY
To me I dont think it was total lack of effort.  Some yes, but they just looked gassed.  It's not that the would not compete, but that they could not compete.
Still..you got to get up for the big games.

What a load of bollocks luv!   We played like a herd of three legged donkeys.

[Mickstix]

I don't think it's lack of effort either. Like Hillbilly said, they just couldn't/can't. We need good things to happen to compete. Someone needs a snipe or a lucky break to get us going, then we can stall and keep it close, hope Charlie stands on his head and hopefully come out on top. But we don't have any firepower to "make" something happen.

Oshie, love his effort, but his coordination has fallen off a cliff. He can't hang onto the puck at all anymore, even worse than Ovi. Ovie's hit or miss. Wilson has gone missing for a long time now. Paci never showed up, outside of a few games when he first got healthy enough to play and even then didn't put anything in the net. And that's our "star" power..

Hate to say, but Carlson is the only star caliber player doing his job. Good on him! 

Just gotta hope and pray the kids take another step in the offseason or it'll be another year of fucks and god dammits. Hoping for a lucky bounce and headstands tonight!! 

[waynerivers]

I still don't get that there has been no discussion of what I thought was a nasty boarding of Iorio.  That could easily, and in my opinion should bave been a 5 minute major and a hearing on a suspension.  Iorio has a couple feet from the boards and leaning and the guy pushed him headfirst - that could have ended really badly.


I hate to use the "if that had been Tom Wilson" thing, but it is a fair comment in this case, and if it had been Wilson, there is no question in my mind he would have been penalized, thrown out of the game and suspended.

Disagree.  You can't crumple like a bag of potato chips from some little shove.  It's not like his back was to the guy.  He was trying to carry the puck out and was shoved from the side.  That play was a real bad look for Iorio.

[Mickstix]

Similar to the Jensen hit. Bad time/place but nothing egregious, imo. Those boards are dangerous. You have to be aware and do what you can to not take a tumble head/shoulder first, if at all possible. Still haven't heard anything more on Iorio, other than what I posted in the bored thread. (Heard he said "it popped" as he went past the bench hunched over)


And yes Beags, had that been Wilson he'd of probably got a major and review. That's the NHL we have these days.

[richkrt99]

Disagree.  You can't crumple like a bag of potato chips from some little shove.  It's not like his back was to the guy.  He was trying to carry the puck out and was shoved from the side.  That play was a real bad look for Iorio.

So I agree this was NOT a horrible hit and that Iorio needs to protect himself better, however, it definitely could have been called boarding based on where the player was (4' from the boards) and the onus is on the attacker NOT to hit the player and put him into a dangerous position.  The first line of the NHL Boarding rule pretty well applies to this hit:

(Note) Boarding is the action where a player pushes, trips or body checks an opponent causing them to go dangerously into the boards. This includes: Accelerating through the check to a player who is in a vulnerable or defenseless position and driving an opponent excessively into the boards with no focus on or intent to play the puck, or any check delivered for the purpose of punishment or intimidation that causes the opponent to go unnecessarily and excessively into the boards.     The onus is on the player delivering the check to avoid placing a vulnerable or defenseless opponent in danger.
(a) A minor plus a misconduct or major plus game misconduct penalty shall be assessed for boarding an opponent.     “Rolling” an opponent along the boards where he is attempting to go through too small an opening is not considered boarding.
(b) A major plus game misconduct penalty shall be assessed to any player who recklessly endangers an opponent as a result of boarding.
(c) A match penalty for reckless endangerment may also be assessed for boarding.

[Mickstix]

"Boarding is the action where a player pushes, trips or body checks an opponent causing them to go dangerously into the boards."

Hmmm, never seen that before.. By that definition both the Iorio and Jensen hits were definitely boarding!!   

[waynerivers]

The only reason that Iorio went "dangerously into the boards" is because he wasn't strong on his skates.  Players aren't going to see every hit or shove coming and they can't just go down like a soggy waffle when they get touched.  This was also quite different from the Jensen hit where the puck was long gone and he had no reason to expect that hit coming as it did.  The Jensen play was definitely a penalty.  The other one wasn't.