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Re: Muzak
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2018, 07:25:56 PM »

 ::)    I am so glad this topic is not called "Music".    :poop:
 ???   Not my taste at all!
   If its too loud then you're too old. ;)

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2018, 12:23:57 AM »

 ::)    I am so glad this topic is not called "Music".    :poop:
 ???   Not my taste at all!

   If its too loud then you're too old. ;)


Believe me, I love loud. Just ask my neighbors.  ;D   I just find that to be severely harsh.  It's diametric to how I feel inside.  I have a wide range of taste in music. Most metal (especially deathmetal) and most rap just seem to me to be hate filled noise.  These Eiesbrecher videos sound like growling demons. :devil:   That's how it makes me feel anyway.  I'd rather shoot myself than spend the rest of my life listening to that. I just so glad I did not have my good sound system turned on when I clicked on those videos.  I don't know if my speakers could have recovered from the insult.   :lol: :P

I'm happy for you if you enjoy it.  To each his own, right?
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Re: Muzak
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2018, 08:27:37 AM »
Believe me, I love loud. Just ask my neighbors.  ;D   I just find that to be severely harsh.  It's diametric to how I feel inside.  I have a wide range of taste in music. Most metal (especially deathmetal) and most rap just seem to me to be hate filled noise.  These Eiesbrecher videos sound like growling demons. :devil:   That's how it makes me feel anyway.  I'd rather shoot myself than spend the rest of my life listening to that. I just so glad I did not have my good sound system turned on when I clicked on those videos.  I don't know if my speakers could have recovered from the insult.   :lol: :P

I'm happy for you if you enjoy it.  To each his own, right?
   Eisbrecher isnt anything close to death metal. Its industrial metal which has a bit of a techno sound. Eisbrecher vocals are nothing like death metal either. His voice is very deep but it isnt growling like death metal vocals. Maybe the vocals being in German make it sound harsher. I can post some death metal for you if you wish.

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2018, 11:35:03 AM »
Believe me, I love loud. Just ask my neighbors.  ;D   I just find that to be severely harsh.  It's diametric to how I feel inside.  I have a wide range of taste in music. Most metal (especially deathmetal) and most rap just seem to me to be hate filled noise.  These Eiesbrecher videos sound like growling demons. :devil:   That's how it makes me feel anyway.  I'd rather shoot myself than spend the rest of my life listening to that. I just so glad I did not have my good sound system turned on when I clicked on those videos.  I don't know if my speakers could have recovered from the insult.   :lol: :P

I'm happy for you if you enjoy it.  To each his own, right?
Maacos correct, a deep baritone voice/style is a near standard/requirement of the Nueue Deutsh Harte (New German Hardness) style the Eiesbretcher and Rammstein fall into.  This style is (or was) huge in Germany and Europe to the point of them selling out stadiums.

It’s roots go back to mainly styles of Kraftwerk and Black Sabbath (at least Iommi), with Post Punk, New Wave, good metal (iow not pop or death), and Wax Trak era industrial. 
   
Probably the biggest thing I like about the genre are the guitars,  particularly the riffs.  As a (former) guitarist the first time I heard Rammstein my jaw hit the floor on the riffs alone!  Iommi-esgue melodies with gucikness and technique that translates into power , all while rarely using boring/laymen whole notes, three cord progressions, and/or the chilche “4 on the floor” . . .

The programming, keys, percussion and vocals fell in later.  But ultimately, it’s the riffs that make that genre.
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Re: Muzak
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2018, 02:15:52 PM »
   Eisbrecher isnt anything close to death metal. Its industrial metal which has a bit of a techno sound. Eisbrecher vocals are nothing like death metal either. His voice is very deep but it isnt growling like death metal vocals. Maybe the vocals being in German make it sound harsher. I can post some death metal for you if you wish.

Maacos correct, a deep baritone voice/style is a near standard/requirement of the Nueue Deutsh Harte (New German Hardness) style the Eiesbretcher and Rammstein fall into.  This style is (or was) huge in Germany and Europe to the point of them selling out stadiums.

It’s roots go back to mainly styles of Kraftwerk and Black Sabbath (at least Iommi), with Post Punk, New Wave, good metal (iow not pop or death), and Wax Trak era industrial. 
   
Probably the biggest thing I like about the genre are the guitars,  particularly the riffs.  As a (former) guitarist the first time I heard Rammstein my jaw hit the floor on the riffs alone!  Iommi-esgue melodies with gucikness and technique that translates into power , all while rarely using boring/laymen whole notes, three cord progressions, and/or the chilche “4 on the floor” . . .

The programming, keys, percussion and vocals fell in later.  But ultimately, it’s the riffs that make that genre.

OK, I went and played those two Eiesbrecher videos again, this time I turned on the good sound system.  Moving from one tiny speaker to the primo sound system helped separate the music from the vocals. I can concede most of your excellent dissection and description of the music.  You made me realize I judged the entirety of the two based on the lead singer's harsh voice and somewhat dark demonic appearance.  If I try to mentally isolate the music I thought it was pretty good and different. Not something I would listen a to a lot, but not deathmetal either.  The lead singer's voice and his appearance make it a turn off for me.  I tried listening without looking and that was slightly better, but I still find his voice extremely grating.
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Re: Muzak
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2018, 05:35:21 PM »
   I agree with you DC about Rammsteins guitar riffs. They are so heavy. First song I heard by Rammstein was Laichzeit and I instantly fell in love with their guitar sound.
   Very heavy sound like Tony Iommi but you can't compare their guitar work to Iommi's
Tony Iommi is a guitar god. His sound is amazing live.

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2018, 06:48:59 PM »
   I agree with you DC about Rammsteins guitar riffs. They are so heavy. First song I heard by Rammstein was Laichzeit and I instantly fell in love with their guitar sound.
   Very heavy sound like Tony Iommi but you can't compare their guitar work to Iommi's
Tony Iommi is a guitar god. His sound is amazing live.
Agree completely, saw them at their first reunion in 97 . . . it was incredible!


To clarify, i wasn’t comparing them directly, but saying they are influenced by, and from his style.  His style being song structure based on heavy melodic enough riffs with, 3 note chords of scales.  He was one of the first to do that, and he perfected it. 


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Re: Muzak
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2018, 06:55:13 PM »
   Sounds like you go to a lot of rock shows too. I go to too many although I have cut back the last couple years.

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2018, 10:20:27 AM »
   Sounds like you go to a lot of rock shows too. I go to too many although I have cut back the last couple years.
Yeah. we live in walking distance from the major concert venues in Baltimore, and get to DC/Northen Va/Silver Spring MD easily. .  Well, back easily, traffic makes the trip in about 3-4 times longer best. . .


A couple years ago, us a few friends would go to shows of bands that some of us never heard of as a another stop on the bar hopping of that night. . . but, that got kinda old and the friends we did that all moved anyway.


We’ve cut back ourselves to, in part due to the lack of tours of coming to the area.  Which is why this fall was so nuts.  A good portion of the bands I listed havent toured in North America, if at all in ten or more years, then they all come to this area in with a month of each other  :P

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2018, 04:11:26 PM »
needless to say this got texted to someone here  :rofl:



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Re: Muzak
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2018, 05:53:34 PM »
  Wonder who that may have been.

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2018, 07:38:34 PM »
  Wonder who that may have been.
yep!!   and his response was EPIC!!!


I’ll direct him here to fill everyone in

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2018, 11:00:20 PM »
I saw him at the State Theater in Culpeper, beautiful old Art Deco building and great acoustics. By mid show he barely had his eyes open from whatever he had in his red solo cup, but the sound got better...
his guitar reminds me of Willie, unwilling to replace it

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2018, 11:25:11 PM »
I could listen to this all night


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Re: Muzak
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2018, 06:44:01 PM »
  This one is for ArJuna since he likes metal soon much, especially death metal.

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2018, 10:23:36 AM »
My annual Bowie Mourning Binge  month of Jan and on into Feb(believe it or not Bowie is one of my all time favorites, to date I have every song he's released) , and Ive been listening to this one more than any song.  This is one how last dark violent artsy, and disturbing works (yes Bowie did a lot of this, they where just primarily deep cuts).   This one though, is one of the darkest craziest.  After be diagnosed with terminal cancer, he writes a song about the execution of a mondernprofit by crucification (maybe worse)_ with flippant attack at group think and religion, heh the video gets a warning on You Tube. 
   :devil:  the last few seconds, are both incredibly sad and creepy




This years binge includes my first trip to the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. . .and damn right Im wearing my Blackstar shirt!

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2018, 11:59:43 AM »
did you know Waylon coulda been on the plane that night ???


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Music_Died#


and, the Beachcraft Bonanza had a very unforgiving reputation, it killed a few people. Randy Rhoads
died on one but that was pilot error. It was/is a high performance single engine plane, those are notorious for needing a qualified very experienced pilot. The pilot the night the music died was 21 years old! and not very experienced


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Bonanza
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Re: Muzak
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2018, 07:17:24 PM »
Well . . . (you ain’t gonna believe this shit)


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(the second was the best)





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Re: Muzak
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2018, 08:39:56 PM »
did you know Waylon coulda been on the plane that night ???


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Music_Died#


and, the Beachcraft Bonanza had a very unforgiving reputation, it killed a few people. Randy Rhoads
died on one but that was pilot error. It was/is a high performance single engine plane, those are notorious for needing a qualified very experienced pilot. The pilot the night the music died was 21 years old! and not very experienced


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Bonanza
Damn, I missed doing a cheers on 2/3

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Re: Muzak
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2018, 09:03:31 PM »
I wish I got to see these guys before they called it quits...


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